Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #300 on: January 26, 2023, 07:41:32 PM »

what did the lions, tigers eat in the weeks after living on  the Arc? there are only 2 of each pray animal to eat.
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You answered your own question.  While they were on the Ark they were pray animals and just prayed away the necessity for food.  This also helped with the cleanup which, obviously, was not needed: nothing in; nothing out.

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« Reply #301 on: January 27, 2023, 03:34:46 PM »

what did the lions, tigers eat in the weeks after living on  the Arc? there are only 2 of each pray animal to eat.
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You answered your own question.  While they were on the Ark they were pray animals and just prayed away the necessity for food.  This also helped with the cleanup which, obviously, was not needed: nothing in; nothing out.
that does not answer the question ; it is the week after thy left the arc.
The the universe has no obligation to makes sense to you.
The earth is a globe.

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #302 on: January 27, 2023, 03:50:14 PM »
Aliens?
All animals were put into cyro sleep

Aliens


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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #303 on: January 28, 2023, 03:21:24 AM »
Aliens?
All animals were put into cyro sleep

Aliens

Oh.  Sleep.  I thought at first you posted, All animals were put into cyro sheep.

Sleep makes more sense. But in all honesty, you never know what a flat earther will post.  Radio waves are sound.  Sleeping in the moonlight will make you rancid.  Gravity is momentum, no it’s denpressure, no it’s an objects desire to return to its origin.  Tides are whale farts.  The night sky isn’t being visibly change by the international space station, Starlink satellites.  Rockets can’t go to space cause comets are in atmospheric tubes.  While an object thrown straight up on earth can’t have forward momentum forever, but comets are seen flying about the solar system with no apparent propulsion for hundreds of years.  Comets actually speed up making their bend around the sun.



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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #304 on: January 29, 2023, 10:02:19 AM »

what did the lions, tigers eat in the weeks after living on  the Arc? there are only 2 of each pray animal to eat.
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You answered your own question.  While they were on the Ark they were pray animals and just prayed away the necessity for food.  This also helped with the cleanup which, obviously, was not needed: nothing in; nothing out.
that does not answer the question ; it is the week after thy left the arc.


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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #305 on: February 02, 2023, 05:50:40 AM »

 
I'm sorry if fifth grade science is too advanced for you to comprehend.  I guess anything other than "God created Adam and Eve - God killed everything but Noah's group" is too advance for you to comprehend.

what did the lions, tigers eat in the weeks after living on  the Arc? there are only 2 of each pray animal to eat.


Okay, first of all, if you're gonna accuse me of being an idiot that didn't pass fifth grade:

Pray is to entreat gods or God for blessings or other things, prey is to hunt or eat animals.
Arc is the curved path an object flies when it is thrown, ark is a boat.

Second, you can have cages even with low-tech civilization. But the Bible hints that there was actually advanced civilization at this time. How do we know this? Because the Bible accurately mentions the side effects of nuclear damage to genes. Human beings living nearly 900 years prior to a water-based protective layer in the atmosphere. Now we have a naked ionosphere, and the radiation has stunted our lifespan. We barely live 1/10 of that today. This was a culture that was able to see out into the stars, and could clearly detect what our upper atmosphere looks like.

They most certainly built a hermetically sealed boat with animals being converted into eggs. Despite there being two of each kind, he could make clones of these eggs and fertilize in vitro, offering continued sacrifices every day.

Yup, superscience Jews.

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #306 on: February 02, 2023, 05:59:23 AM »

 
I'm sorry if fifth grade science is too advanced for you to comprehend.  I guess anything other than "God created Adam and Eve - God killed everything but Noah's group" is too advance for you to comprehend.

what did the lions, tigers eat in the weeks after living on  the Arc? there are only 2 of each pray animal to eat.


Okay, first of all, if you're gonna accuse me of being an idiot that didn't pass fifth grade:

Pray is to entreat gods or God for blessings or other things, prey is to hunt or eat animals.
Arc is the curved path an object flies when it is thrown, ark is a boat.

Second, you can have cages even with low-tech civilization. But the Bible hints that there was actually advanced civilization at this time. How do we know this? Because the Bible accurately mentions the side effects of nuclear damage to genes. Human beings living nearly 900 years prior to a water-based protective layer in the atmosphere. Now we have a naked ionosphere, and the radiation has stunted our lifespan. We barely live 1/10 of that today. This was a culture that was able to see out into the stars, and could clearly detect what our upper atmosphere looks like.

They most certainly built a hermetically sealed boat with animals being converted into eggs. Despite there being two of each kind, he could make clones of these eggs and fertilize in vitro, offering continued sacrifices every day.

Yup, superscience Jews.

Is every last thing in the bible factually, historically correct? If so, I'm assuming you're a creationist?

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #307 on: February 02, 2023, 06:41:14 AM »
I am a creationist who accepts epigenetics but not "survival of the fittest", and doesn't accept Shakespearean monkey notions (the idea being that random no intelligent design evolution is akin to a monkey typing arbitrarily and you pulling the paper out and it being Shakespeare with no typos, and all the life made over and over, it continuing to type perfectly) of randomized life.

We were put on this Earth, God made our DNA and allowed us to reproduce, and our DNA allows for adjustments. The Koreans don't sweat, because they live in a climate that is cold AF. Half-Koreans however do sweat.

https://knowledgenuts.com/the-abcc11-gene-the-reason-why-most-koreans-dont-wear-deodorant/?amp=1

Evolution based on environment, creation from intelligent design.

And no, I am not a Bible literalist. I am a Bible interpretationist. I happen to arrive on the superscience idea by reading the text and understanding it.
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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #308 on: February 02, 2023, 08:40:08 AM »


 ecco:
I'm sorry if fifth grade science is too advanced for you to comprehend.  I guess anything other than "God created Adam and Eve - God killed everything but Noah's group" is too advance for you to comprehend.
 
 

Second, you can have cages even with low-tech civilization. But the Bible hints that there was actually advanced civilization at this time. How do we know this? Because the Bible accurately mentions the side effects of nuclear damage to genes. Human beings living nearly 900 years prior to a water-based protective layer in the atmosphere. Now we have a naked ionosphere, and the radiation has stunted our lifespan. We barely live 1/10 of that today. This was a culture that was able to see out into the stars, and could clearly detect what our upper atmosphere looks like.

They most certainly built a hermetically sealed boat with animals being converted into eggs. Despite there being two of each kind, he could make clones of these eggs and fertilize in vitro, offering continued sacrifices every day.

Yup, superscience Jews.

I stand by my comment.  Your mind is indoctrinated with Bible stuff.  Bible stuff is simple.  GodDidIt; Adam & Eve; Cain and Abel; Giants lived with dinosaurs; Lions and elephants converted to eggs!  GodDidIt!

Unfortunately, reality and nature are far more complex.  A mind is indeed a terrible thing to waste.  Religious fundamentalism is the greatest evil confronting America.

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #309 on: February 02, 2023, 09:00:01 AM »
I am a creationist 
A Creationist who believes nonsense like a little wooden boat could survive the most horrific ocean storm imaginable.  IOW A Fundamentalist.


Evolution based on environment, creation from intelligent design.
The Koreans don't sweat, because they live in a climate that is cold AF. Half-Koreans however do sweat.

https://knowledgenuts.com/the-abcc11-gene-the-reason-why-most-koreans-dont-wear-deodorant/?amp=1

 

And no, I am not a Bible literalist. I am a Bible interpretationist. I happen to arrive on the superscience idea by reading the text and understanding it.


"reading the text and understanding it"  Really?
You couldn't even understand the text from the article you linked.  You asserted "Koreans don't sweat, because they live in a climate that is cold AF".  Utter nonsense!  Even North Korea gets into the 80's in the summer.  Your linked article clearly states Koreans sweat.
"Let’s take a look at how this gene works, what it’s molecular makeup is, and why Koreans have odorless sweat."


You have clearly demonstrated your ability to read and understand.   Your understanding of scripture is that someone/something created eggs to survive the trip. 

You don't read and understand, you read and make up stories that fit your biased mindset.

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #310 on: February 02, 2023, 12:34:20 PM »
But the Bible hints that there was actually advanced civilization at this time. How do we know this?
Because the Bible is a load of garbage, a work of fantasy, with people spouting all sorts of BS about it and lying by trying to manipulate it to pretend that it predicts something it doesn't.

Why don't you try getting at least reasonably back on topic, like admitting your complete lack of understanding of what terminal velocity is and how it is fundamentally different to free-fall? How your claims about the water bottle are pure BS, which fail to match reality? Or how the numbers you made up for the moon are quite clearly garbage with no connection to reality?

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #311 on: February 02, 2023, 02:33:26 PM »
And no, I am not a Bible literalist. I am a Bible interpretationist. I happen to arrive on the superscience idea by reading the text and understanding it.

If you're not a literalist, what's this bit about you believing Noah and the like lived for 100's of years? Do you pick and choose what things are literal and what are interpreted? And how do you make that distinction?

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« Reply #312 on: February 02, 2023, 07:05:08 PM »
And no, I am not a Bible literalist. I am a Bible interpretationist. I happen to arrive on the superscience idea by reading the text and understanding it.

If you're not a literalist, what's this bit about you believing Noah and the like lived for 100's of years? Do you pick and choose what things are literal and what are interpreted? And how do you make that distinction?

An interpretationist decides what is a metaphor, and what actually happened. They neither accept everything nor reject everything.

If something did happen, we figure out why.

If human beings used to live hundreds of years, and now they don't, something was changed. Instead of thinking your reality is the only that ever exists, we come up with interpretations.
1. You're right (pffft yeah right ;D ) and people have always lived 80 or 90 years or less.
2. You're wrong and people used to live far longer. Early portions of the Bible talk about waters above the firmament. It would seem these waters acted as a thick buffer against radiation. In nuclear power plants, water is used for more or less this exact purpose. In fact, the only radiation not blocked by water is visible light.
https://emfadvice.com/water-block-radiation/
So yes, if there is less water in the atmosphere, and more water than there was before the flood, then yes humans live shorter.
3. But there's also a third thing it could be. We are also told "mankind was exceedingly wicked" during the time of Noah. The Hindus think history is cyclic. Maybe we blew ourselves up. Also loads more radiation in the air, also could have wiped out the moisture barrier around Earth.

Radiation reducing human lifespans.   

We already know that radiation reduces human lifespans. We know from those who spend time around high levels of radiation, their lives are cut short. As do radiation "therapy" patients.
https://www.cancerhealth.com/article/many-cancer-survivors-age-faster

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #313 on: February 02, 2023, 11:31:14 PM »
If you're not a literalist, what's this bit about you believing Noah and the like lived for 100's of years? Do you pick and choose what things are literal and what are interpreted? And how do you make that distinction?
It's easy, you just interpret it in whatever way is required to match your delusional fantasy.
Just like those who pick and choose which of the laws are still meant to be followed. If you want them to be followed, then they are, if you don't then they were just meant for that time.

If human beings used to live hundreds of years, and now they don't, something was changed.
And as the only evidence that people lived for hundreds of years comes from fairy tales, the rational explanation is that it is fiction, and that humanity never lived for hundreds of years.

There is nothing in the Bible to suggest gene damage from radiation.

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #314 on: February 03, 2023, 06:19:01 AM »
If you only read what is said line by line, then you are a literalist.

Which is probably why you stopped reading and dismissed the Bible as nonsense, right Stash?

Take this passage:

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21 The Lord said to Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go. 22 Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: Israel is my firstborn son, 23 and I told you, “Let my son go, so he may worship me.” But you refused to let him go; so I will kill your firstborn son.’”

24 At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. 25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. 26 So the Lord let him alone.

At this point, a literalist would quit. Hard. God has sent Moses to stop Pharaoh, now he wants to kill him, what is going on?!?

Well a literalist (like you) just reads the text and concludes this is all meaningless, and God is random or something.

No. God takes his wife and children on a donkey, as previous sections mentioned after previous sections.

There's a problem though. He was living in Midian with the Midianites (after fleeing from Egypt, and never getting a strong background on Jewish custom) and he followed Midian customs. Midians are Baal and Ishtar worshipers. Moses was himself raised by Egyptians so it is unclear whether he is even circumcised, but let's give his mom the benefit of the doubt and say she did so before that basket incident.
So now this mixed marriage happens and it's fine that Moses is doing that off in a sheep farm, but Moses is sent back on mission now, and his Baal-worshiping wife come with. And God wants to know of Moses "are you with her? Or me?" And Tzipora answers for Moses, "I'm with you, God." And she circumcises the kids to show this. This is actually an awesome scene, but the context is lost to non-Jews, especially those who don't read the text beyond literal.

 Now, here's what we know of the text.
1. Six Days of Creation: God mentions a firmament, of waters about the Earth.
 "But we don't have waters above the Earth," I hear you say. Then you tell me this proves the Bible is a lie.
2. During the Flood: God opens up a vault in the sky, and it rains for 40 days.
3. After the Flood: They mention a taper off of lifespan.

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There would need to be about 9.000.000 liters of rain per square meter of the Earth to make this happen. This would mean that we would need about 10.000 liters of rain per hour in those 40 days; which is about 25 times more than the strongest recorded rain ever in an hour (401 l /m² in 1947, Shangdi, China).

Fucking periods, when you might mean commas. Is that 10 liters with extra decimals or 10,000 liters. We're gonna assume this jackass meant ten thousand.

But we're not looking to totally flood the Earth, so that there is no land. We are looking to rain worldwide, and completely disappear a few islands (Beringia, northern Australia, some of China).

But since we're not looking to completely flood the world but raise the water level, let's assume all but 1% (100 liters per hour or 90,000 liters total) are permanently added to the ocean, and the rest goes to icecaps and clouds. Let's say a substantial amount goes to arctic regions instead of back to the sky.

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Glaciers store about 69% of the world's freshwater, and if all land ice melted the seas would rise about 230 feet.

But we're probably not looking at further rise in water. That freshwater along with about 100 ft or so of our existing saltwater was what was the firmament.

Would about 330 ft worldwide be enough water to restore the firmament? Yes, it would. Would this much water lost from the atmosphere make a sizable dent in human lifespan? Yes it definitely would. This is a thick later of protective moisture that screens out IR & UV rays that hit humans repeatedly through our 80 or so years of life.
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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #315 on: February 03, 2023, 08:49:06 AM »
If you only read what is said line by line, then you are a literalist.

Which is probably why you stopped reading and dismissed the Bible as nonsense, right Stash?

You basically just had a conversation with yourself pretending to be with me.

What was the earth radiation level in Noah's time versus today? What do your measurements show?

I asked how you make a determination between the literal and the interpretation and you served up all this including some quote from a a guy on Quora about the great flood and quibbled with him in your mind over commas and periods...
It sure seems like what Jack said, "...you just interpret it in whatever way is required to match your delusional fantasy."

Whatever you find that fits your worldview is literal or needs to be interpreted to fit that world view. A pretty convenient set up.

I have no idea what you're going on about. But it seems like you just stab at windmills without really addressing anything, making up conflicts as you go. Truly bizarre.

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #316 on: February 03, 2023, 12:00:53 PM »
Bible
If you want to discuss a crappy old book, you can start a new thread on it.
The Bible is garbage, and has no place in argument about Earth.

Fucking periods, when you might mean commas.
You really do hate anything different to you don't you?
They mean ".", an accepted separator for thousands, where "," is used as a decimal separator.

So lets accept that this presumably intelligent person, who doesn't agree with your delusional BS, meant ten thousand, i.e. 10.000.

But more importantly, lets get back to the actual topic.

Care to address the refutations of your garbage about the moon or the falling bottle?

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #317 on: February 03, 2023, 03:34:21 PM »
The only arguemtn of a fitmament would be the mechanism required to create such a thing (on a globe) - What floaty floatiness would hold up a layer of water?

Sceppy thinks its a cell memebrane of frozen water dome.

In a globural-christo nonliteral universe the firmament bubble would need to have collapsed before or after the moon was created?
That would be before life as a moon impact wouldve been catastrophic.

Maybe thwts not how the moon was made.
So maybe the gulf of mexico asteroid dino killer?
If there was a dome then there wiuld require peoples with boat making capabilities at that time.

Or maybe the dinoasteriod launched ground water into thebair to become the firmament?

Then do we need an even to bring it back down?
And then would we see an even distribution of water coming down, or would it come down like a popped bubble?








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« Reply #318 on: February 05, 2023, 04:06:06 AM »
If you only read what is said line by line, then you are a literalist.

Which is probably why you stopped reading and dismissed the Bible as nonsense, right Stash?

You basically just had a conversation with yourself pretending to be with me.

What was the earth radiation level in Noah's time versus today? What do your measurements show?

I asked how you make a determination between the literal and the interpretation and you served up all this including some quote from a a guy on Quora about the great flood and quibbled with him in your mind over commas and periods...
It sure seems like what Jack said, "...you just interpret it in whatever way is required to match your delusional fantasy."

Whatever you find that fits your worldview is literal or needs to be interpreted to fit that world view. A pretty convenient set up.

I have no idea what you're going on about. But it seems like you just stab at windmills without really addressing anything, making up conflicts as you go. Truly bizarre.

I don't have a geiger counter set up for the upper atmosphere. But wikipedia has an entire article on it, complete with a table.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation#Background_dose_rate_examples

Subtotal (natural)   2.40

Subtotal (artificial)   0.61

The worldwide natural radiation is about 3 times what we've managed to do between all nuclear tests. Think about it. Even the worst accident of Chernobyl and Fukushima still doesn't compare with the ambient radiation of the soil, air, and space radiation, much less what we get in our food and water.

But I do know cognitive dissonance when I see it. All this quibbling, when you damn well know there isn't now a water firmament, that water does block radiation, and that there is significantly more water in the icebergs than there was before the Ice Age.

Meanwhile, The Mighty Kabool can't even spell the word "argument" right, and manages to ignore the fact that we alright have water vapor in the sky which gives us rain and snow. I think you could definitely have more moisture humidity than we do now.

It's only when you start with Newton's crackpot ideas that you necessitate a reason why water vapor can't be much more than it is right now.

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #319 on: February 05, 2023, 11:33:08 AM »
If you only read what is said line by line, then you are a literalist.

Which is probably why you stopped reading and dismissed the Bible as nonsense, right Stash?

You basically just had a conversation with yourself pretending to be with me.

What was the earth radiation level in Noah's time versus today? What do your measurements show?

I asked how you make a determination between the literal and the interpretation and you served up all this including some quote from a a guy on Quora about the great flood and quibbled with him in your mind over commas and periods...
It sure seems like what Jack said, "...you just interpret it in whatever way is required to match your delusional fantasy."

Whatever you find that fits your worldview is literal or needs to be interpreted to fit that world view. A pretty convenient set up.

I have no idea what you're going on about. But it seems like you just stab at windmills without really addressing anything, making up conflicts as you go. Truly bizarre.

I don't have a geiger counter set up for the upper atmosphere. But wikipedia has an entire article on it, complete with a table.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation#Background_dose_rate_examples

Subtotal (natural)   2.40

Subtotal (artificial)   0.61

Why would you, of all people, believe anything on wikipedia?

You cannot get your knowledge from secondhand or thirdhand sources.

The worldwide natural radiation is about 3 times what we've managed to do between all nuclear tests. Think about it. Even the worst accident of Chernobyl and Fukushima still doesn't compare with the ambient radiation of the soil, air, and space radiation, much less what we get in our food and water.

How do you know this?

You cannot get your knowledge from secondhand or thirdhand sources.

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #320 on: February 05, 2023, 01:49:24 PM »
I don't have a geiger counter set up for the upper atmosphere. But wikipedia has an entire article on it, complete with a table.
Wikipedia also has articles discussing the shape of Earth, and how it is round:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth

So I take it that means you admit Earth is round?

But I do know cognitive dissonance when I see it.
Yes, your fairy tale book makes no sense, so you make up excuses to pretend it does. And you reject anything that shows you are wrong, while happily accepting anything that you can pretend shows you are correct.

Again, care to address the refutations of your garbage about the moon or the falling bottle?

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #321 on: February 06, 2023, 06:25:02 AM »

Why would you, of all people, believe anything on wikipedia?

I don't. I'm showing you that you should. But when it's not convenient, you don't either.

You cannot get your knowledge from secondhand or thirdhand sources.

Touche. But the point here, is that you asked for a measurement. I don't have one (I don't possess a geiger counter, nor a plane), but this is what wikipedia says.
You can take it or leave it.
But since you're all like "we can trust ppl in lab coats" I think it's far more hypocritical that you suddenly reject tables and graphs.

The point of what I'm saying is not that you can't quote things, but that you can't blindly trust "the science." You have to make up your mind what sources are right, you have to test what you are told with what you know.

I don't trust "science", I believe in testing science against known information.




Oh? What science?

The worldwide natural radiation is about 3 times what we've managed to do between all nuclear tests. Think about it. Even the worst accident of Chernobyl and Fukushima still doesn't compare with the ambient radiation of the soil, air, and space radiation, much less what we get in our food and water.

How do you know this?


Let's do math!

Subtotal (natural)   2.40

Subtotal (artificial)   0.61

2.40/0.61 = 3.93442622951

About 3 or 4 times the radiation in Earth as natural radiation than manmade radiation.

If you trust the tables of wikipedia.

We've had radiation in everything we breathe, eat, drink, etc for years. Yes, pretty sure that even this small amount, if it's in everything, is enough to profoundly shorten lifespan.
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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #322 on: February 06, 2023, 07:10:19 AM »
Kabool knows that the amount of water the air can hold is dependent on temperature and pressure.

Thats why we have rain and snow falling down, and not an ocean in space.


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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #323 on: February 06, 2023, 11:51:10 AM »


We've had radiation in everything we breathe, eat, drink, etc for years. Yes, pretty sure that even this small amount, if it's in everything, is enough to profoundly shorten lifespan.

What type of radiation.  In what quantities.

Again…


How do rockets keep from being blasted by radiation that nukes their passengers and fries their guidance systems?

What radiation are we talking about?  And at what strength?  For what length of time?

Ever hear of the radiation cookie analogy?

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Radiation and the Cookie Test


https://letstalkaboutscience.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/radiation-and-the-cookie-test/

So if we are concerned about radiation safety, how do we treat different sources of ionizing radiation? The cleverest way I’ve heard it summed up is by the ‘cookie test’: imagine that you have four cookies. One is an alpha emitter, one is a beta emitter, one is a gamma emitter, and one is a neutron emitter. You can throw one cookie away, but you have to put one in your pocket, hold one in your hand, and eat one. How do you pick which cookies to do what with?

Well, remember that alpha particles are particularly bad when they get close to vital tissue, so that’s a good one not to eat. Both neutron and gamma radiation are tough to shield against, but of the two gamma is more likely to pass through you without causing issues. Beta radiation can be damaging but is also easily blocked. So you can throw away the neutron emitter, and if the gamma emitter is anywhere near you, you may as well have eaten it. The alpha emitter should be further from your vital organs, so put that one in your hand, which leaves the beta emitter to go into your pocket and be blocked by your clothing.

Of course, you might say that ideally you’d throw all the cookies away, because who eats radioactive cookies anyway? But the thing to remember is that all these radioactive processes occur naturally, so while there are dangerous levels of each kind of radiation, you are receiving a low-level dose of radiation all the time from chemical processes in the materials around you. And in fact, radioactive processes occur inside your body! So while radiation can be dangerous, it’s also an important part of the natural world.




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JackBlack

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #324 on: February 06, 2023, 12:11:00 PM »
I don't. I'm showing you that you should. But when it's not convenient, you don't either.
But you didn't show anything from wikipedia to back up your delusional garbage.
Background radiation levels don't support your book of garbage.

But the point here, is that you asked for a measurement. I don't have one (I don't possess a geiger counter, nor a plane), but this is what wikipedia says.
You were specifically asked for a measurement of Noah's time, to support your fantasy.

I don't trust "science"
That's right. You hate science, outright despise it, due to how much it destroys your fantasy.
So you just reject anything that doesn't agree with your delusional fantasy.
You don't bother testing it, at least not in an honest way. You just dismiss it, along with the mountains of evidence that support it.


Let's do math!
Before you get started on math, you need to have accurate numbers.
You discussed nuclear tests.
That is not the only form of radiation.
You also need to understand the nuances of it.
What type of radiation is it?
Does it include UV radiation, which has increased due to the damage done to the ozone layer?

Without knowing that, your numbers are meaningless.

Yes, pretty sure that even this small amount, if it's in everything, is enough to profoundly shorten lifespan.
Based on what?
You wanting your fantasy to be true?

Again, care to address the topic, rather than your fantasy?

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Themightykabool

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #325 on: February 06, 2023, 12:15:31 PM »
Hahahaha


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Stash

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #326 on: February 06, 2023, 12:43:35 PM »

Why would you, of all people, believe anything on wikipedia?

I don't. I'm showing you that you should. But when it's not convenient, you don't either.

What was not convenient that I didn't trust?

You cannot get your knowledge from secondhand or thirdhand sources.

Touche. But the point here, is that you asked for a measurement. I don't have one (I don't possess a geiger counter, nor a plane), but this is what wikipedia says.
You can take it or leave it.
But since you're all like "we can trust ppl in lab coats" I think it's far more hypocritical that you suddenly reject tables and graphs.

I didn't reject anything. Was just asking why you, of all people, who doesn't believe in anything unless it's first hand, would believe and use anything from a second, third, fourth-hand, etc. source like wikipedia.

The point of what I'm saying is not that you can't quote things, but that you can't blindly trust "the science." You have to make up your mind what sources are right, you have to test what you are told with what you know.

I don't trust "science", I believe in testing science against known information.[/color]

How do you go about "testing science against known information".

The worldwide natural radiation is about 3 times what we've managed to do between all nuclear tests. Think about it. Even the worst accident of Chernobyl and Fukushima still doesn't compare with the ambient radiation of the soil, air, and space radiation, much less what we get in our food and water.

How do you know this?


Let's do math!

Subtotal (natural)   2.40

Subtotal (artificial)   0.61

2.40/0.61 = 3.93442622951

About 3 or 4 times the radiation in Earth as natural radiation than manmade radiation.

If you trust the tables of wikipedia.

And do you trust the wikipedia tables? If so, why? If not, why even bring them up? It also says in your wiki article, "In some developed countries, like the US and Japan, artificial exposure is, on average, greater than the natural exposure, due to greater access to medical imaging." Do you believe that or not?

It just always strikes me as odd when people with zero expertise in a given area attempt to reverse decades of research, experimentation, measurement just because they don't trust any whitecoats and with no evidence to back up their claims - And go on to say that firsthand knowledge is the only knowledge that counts and then espouse things without any first-hand knowledge.

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ecco

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #327 on: February 06, 2023, 02:10:27 PM »


Fucking periods, when you might mean commas. Is that 10 liters with extra decimals or 10,000 liters. We're gonna assume this jackass meant ten thousand.
 
10,000,000 wrong
10.000.000 wrong
10 000 000 right

http://wordpress.mrreid.org/2014/05/27/stop-putting-commas-in-your-numbers/
The correct way to write the speed of light is c = 299 792 458 m/s. Ideally you’d use a special Unicode character, known as “NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE (U+202F)”, which stops text from wrapping around half-way through a number, but this isn’t very well supported, so the better-supported “THIN SPACE (U+2009)” or even just a normal space will do.

The reason for this is that the decimal point isn’t always a decimal point. Only 60% of countries use a full stop, whereas other countries use other marks. For example, a number that would traditionally be written in the UK as 123,456,789.01 would be written in France, Germany, Spain and many other countries as 123.456.789,01 and in Canada as either, depending on whether you’re working in English or French. This confusion (see this for example) was deemed undesirable and as such the scientific community declared in 2003 that:

The 22nd General Conference [of the BIPM],
considering that a principal purpose of the International System of Units is to enable values of quantities to be expressed in a manner that can be readily understood throughout the world …
reaffirms that “Numbers may be divided in groups of three in order to facilitate reading; neither dots nor commas are ever inserted in the spaces between groups”, as stated in Resolution 7 of the 9th CGPM, 1948.

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ecco

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #328 on: February 06, 2023, 02:36:22 PM »
If you only read what is said line by line, then you are a literalist.

Which is probably why you stopped reading and dismissed the Bible as nonsense, right...?

Take this passage:

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21 The Lord said to Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go. 22 Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: Israel is my firstborn son, 23 and I told you, “Let my son go, so he may worship me.” But you refused to let him go; so I will kill your firstborn son.’”

24 At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. 25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. 26 So the Lord let him alone.

 
 
At this point, a literalist would quit. 

However, at this point a rational person would ask: Who recorded what the Lord said to Moses?   Don't you ever question who wrote all the OT?  How did the descendants of Noah know about Cain and Able?  How could they have written where Cain found a wife?

A rational person would understand that the words written in the Bible, are make-believe stories written by people promoting their version of religion.  The authors are no different than the people who wrote down Islamic Laws and Theories or the Zorasters or the Hindus or the Buddhists or the JW's or the Mormons. 

The readers and followers of any of these are exactly like you.  They choose what to believe and what to reject.  And each one will insist that they are right.

The only bearing this has on FE is that Creationists believe, with no evidence whatsoever, that their views are correct.
 
The only bearing this has on FE is that Creationists believe, regardless of how far-fetched their beliefs are, that their beliefs are correct.






 

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ecco

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Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.
« Reply #329 on: February 06, 2023, 05:59:51 PM »


But we're not looking to totally flood the Earth, so that there is no land. We are looking to rain worldwide, and completely disappear a few islands (Beringia, northern Australia, some of China).

But since we're not looking to completely flood the world but raise the water level, let's assume all but 1% (100 liters per hour or 90,000 liters total) are permanently added to the ocean, and the rest goes to icecaps and clouds. Let's say a substantial amount goes to arctic regions instead of back to the sky.

But we're probably not looking at further rise in water. That freshwater along with about 100 ft or so of our existing saltwater was what was the firmament.

Would about 330 ft worldwide be enough water to restore the firmament? Yes, it would. Would this much water lost from the atmosphere make a sizable dent in human lifespan? Yes it definitely would. This is a thick later of protective moisture that screens out IR & UV rays that hit humans repeatedly through our 80 or so years of life.

There is nothing in the Bible to indicate that "sunlight" is the reason that lives got shorter after The Big Flood.

You read the make-believe stories and add your own rationalizations to convince yourself of the validity of the make-believe stories.