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China will focus on preparing for WAR, Xi Jinping declares: President says nation's 'security is increasingly unstable and uncertain'

    Chinese President Xi Jinping today said Beijing will strengthen military training and prepare for any war
    Xi's announcement will raise fears that China may invade Taiwan, which Beijing claims as its own 
    China, which has second-largest military in world, has threatened to annex Taiwan by force if necessary

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11403145/China-focus-preparing-WAR-Xi-Jinping-declares.html



Oh, let me tell you, I told you from the start that this would happen.

Russia will not lose a possible war. Russia and China know they can defeat the West by acting together. Since the West does not give up its meaningless ego, it pursues small plans such as humiliating Russia in Ukraine.

However, when it does this, Russia will arm itself more and act together with China, and it will definitely make the West regret what it has done.
that Europeans are gentlemen and gentlewomen; On the other hand, it should be taken into account that the Chinese worked like slaves and most of the Russians lived in extremely difficult climatic conditions. In a possible war, Easterners could enter through Poland and transit through London to reach Washington without much difficulty.

Of course, this happens because the US has a leader who puppet of China. Otherwise, Russia would not have been so excluded by the west, squeezed and forced to get closer to China. Without such a development, China would not have dared to prepare for war. But this is very easy in the puppet leader period.

As a Turk, why should this concern me? Oh, then let me tell you, if West and East are going to fight, I don't want us to be in it. Because we are in the Western alliance as per the agreements and it is almost certain that the East will win. Frankly, I don't want to be on the losing side.

In a possible war, Easterners could enter through Poland and transit through London to reach Washington without much difficulty.

How might Easterners transit through London to reach Washington without much difficulty? How does that work? There's a massive body of water between London and Washington. Approximately 3600 miles of the Atlantic.

Quote from: wise on November 10, 2022, 10:20:40 PM

In a possible war, Easterners could enter through Poland and transit through London to reach Washington without much difficulty.

How might Easterners transit through London to reach Washington without much difficulty? How does that work? There's a massive body of water between London and Washington. Approximately 3600 miles of the Atlantic.

Can you really just steamroll through this?

Stash.

What is this a picture of?
No one help him.

Quote from: Stash on November 10, 2022, 10:05:50 AM

Jesus is not happy with you for the lying and disingenuousness.

Did you miss the part where I proved you're a neural network?

It was a chair turned on its side.

China will focus on preparing for WAR, Xi Jinping declares: President says nation's 'security is increasingly unstable and uncertain'

    Chinese President Xi Jinping today said Beijing will strengthen military training and prepare for any war
    Xi's announcement will raise fears that China may invade Taiwan, which Beijing claims as its own 
    China, which has second-largest military in world, has threatened to annex Taiwan by force if necessary

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11403145/China-focus-preparing-WAR-Xi-Jinping-declares.html



Oh, let me tell you, I told you from the start that this would happen.

Russia will not lose a possible war. Russia and China know they can defeat the West by acting together. Since the West does not give up its meaningless ego, it pursues small plans such as humiliating Russia in Ukraine.

However, when it does this, Russia will arm itself more and act together with China, and it will definitely make the West regret what it has done.
that Europeans are gentlemen and gentlewomen; On the other hand, it should be taken into account that the Chinese worked like slaves and most of the Russians lived in extremely difficult climatic conditions. In a possible war, Easterners could enter through Poland and transit through London to reach Washington without much difficulty.

Of course, this happens because the US has a leader who puppet of China. Otherwise, Russia would not have been so excluded by the west, squeezed and forced to get closer to China. Without such a development, China would not have dared to prepare for war. But this is very easy in the puppet leader period.

As a Turk, why should this concern me? Oh, then let me tell you, if West and East are going to fight, I don't want us to be in it. Because we are in the Western alliance as per the agreements and it is almost certain that the East will win. Frankly, I don't want to be on the losing side.

A.  Russia is getting their teeth kicked in.  I wouldn't count on them much for help.

B.  As a Turk I don't think you need to worry.  I'm pretty sure Turkey would be the first country to immediate exit NATO at the first hint of anyone invoking article 5.

The only thing that Russia will have left thats of any threat after the Ukraine war are nuclear bombs. And they know using them would be suicide

No one fears the ruski army anymore. They have been exposed to be nothing more than bullshit


All the memes like this that all the repugnicans / russian collaborators were putting out trying to undermine confidence in their own defense force lol.

Well where are these combat armour suits?  Were they just to stuff them with tampons?


China arguably presents more of a threat - just by sheer attrition. Even still, they know a war with America and its allies will fuck them over for generations. But China has another problem of its own making. Demographics.

https://www.csis.org/blogs/new-perspectives-asia/chinas-demographic-trends-context-economic-competition-%E2%80%AF

They are in more dire straits then America in this regard - and America can rely on immigration to offset some of the problems

Having been in China I can say while the inner cities have great technology - the quality of their infrastructure is pure shit. Nothing is built to last. When it's new it looks great - but they dont give a fuck about maintenance. Those 'ghost cities' they built wont be worth shit in 10 years. Their economic growth has all been funneled into wasteful projects that will mean fuck all

Most of the pictures you see are not much more than a facade. The Beijing Olympic buildings looked really nice. Literally turn a corner and you would be mistaken for thinking you somehow transported to some remote African village.

Any war with China will still be protracted, bloody and cause economic ruin over the stock market given countries have been stupid to rely on China for what should be home grown industry. Thankfully, given Chinas recent belligerence, many countries and companies have started to pivot their dependance away from China. So if a real war against China can hold off another decade or 2, the damage will be far less

Only problem is, just as Putin wanted a legacy of 'taking back' Ukraine before he carked it, Xi wants the same except for taking Taiwan. And he's an old mofo so probably wants to attempt it sooner rather than later. And because America and the world is currently got their attention on Ukraine, Taiwan probably looks ripe for the picking

If the world gets their shit together and produces their own semiconductor technology that rivals Taiwan, I also think America will give less of a damn if China takes Taiwan. Taiwan is important to the world because of that industry

Plus all the cheap manufacturing, electronic waste repurposing, and other things we dump onto China.

Also, as was said, Russia can't even take Ukraine.  How would they push through Europe?  And why?  Russia and China could literally invade from Alaska without a problem.  Its only... What, 25 miles?

Yeah.... Lets try to steamrol through 20 countries AND an ocean instead of 25 miles of water.

A.  Russia is getting their teeth kicked in.  I wouldn't count on them much for help.

B.  As a Turk I don't think you need to worry.  I'm pretty sure Turkey would be the first country to immediate exit NATO at the first hint of anyone invoking article 5.

Thank you, that gave me some relief. If Erdogan sees that the two blocs are going to war, he will not hesitate to leave NATO, but I don't think Kılıçdaroğlu (the future leader) will do that.

Plus all the cheap manufacturing, electronic waste repurposing, and other things we dump onto China.

Also, as was said, Russia can't even take Ukraine.  How would they push through Europe?  And why?  Russia and China could literally invade from Alaska without a problem.  Its only... What, 25 miles?

Yeah.... Lets try to steamrol through 20 countries AND an ocean instead of 25 miles of water.

Russia took over half of Ukraine, including Kyiv, in just three to five days. Later, the reason for his withdrawal was not only military, but also other issues came into play. Things that cost the West. This has been simulated before. The people, geography and military forces were compared and it was already predicted that the Eastern bloc would win. Europeans do not fight, Europe is the territory of retired people. Russians will enter Poland like tourists and settle in London like hosts.

There is no energy in Europe to prevent this. Europe thinks that it will stop the Russians with a gun by pointing a gun with two fingers, but the wars are not like they see in the movies. Russians and Americans have been waging proxy wars around the world for years. Europeans think these things are child's play.

Quote from: Lorddave on November 11, 2022, 01:09:01 AM

Plus all the cheap manufacturing, electronic waste repurposing, and other things we dump onto China.

Also, as was said, Russia can't even take Ukraine.  How would they push through Europe?  And why?  Russia and China could literally invade from Alaska without a problem.  Its only... What, 25 miles?

Yeah.... Lets try to steamrol through 20 countries AND an ocean instead of 25 miles of water.

Russia took over half of Ukraine, including Kyiv, in just three to five days. Later, the reason for his withdrawal was not only military, but also other issues came into play. Things that cost the West. This has been simulated before. The people, geography and military forces were compared and it was already predicted that the Eastern bloc would win. Europeans do not fight, Europe is the territory of retired people. Russians will enter Poland like tourists and settle in London like hosts.

There is no energy in Europe to prevent this. Europe thinks that it will stop the Russians with a gun by pointing a gun with two fingers, but the wars are not like they see in the movies. Russians and Americans have been waging proxy wars around the world for years. Europeans think these things are child's play.

What timeline are you reading?
Russia never took Kyiv.  They tried but failed.  Kyiv was one of the first places they attacked, essentially dropping troops and artillary there on day 1.

They failed and retreated after a month.

Russia took over half of Ukraine, including Kyiv, in just three to five days. Later, the reason for his withdrawal was not only military, but also other issues came into play. Things that cost the West. This has been simulated before. The people, geography and military forces were compared and it was already predicted that the Eastern bloc would win. Europeans do not fight, Europe is the territory of retired people. Russians will enter Poland like tourists and settle in London like hosts.

There is no energy in Europe to prevent this. Europe thinks that it will stop the Russians with a gun by pointing a gun with two fingers, but the wars are not like they see in the movies. Russians and Americans have been waging proxy wars around the world for years. Europeans think these things are child's play.

You live in an interesting version of reality to the rest of us. 

The Russians captured Kiev. As an army, they eliminated the Ukrainian army. But they left Kiev because the people resisted, otherwise they would have to commit a massive massacre of civilians there. In fact, what happened is not like what you watch on the news. That's not the matter either.

The Russians captured Kiev. As an army, they eliminated the Ukrainian army. But they left Kiev because the people resisted, otherwise they would have to commit a massive massacre of civilians there. In fact, what happened is not like what you watch on the news. That's not the matter either.

Yes.  They did capture Kiev.
Kyiv is a different city.

Russia took over half of Ukraine, including Kyiv, in just three to five days.

Russia never took over half of Ukraine. What's your source for this claim?

The Russians captured Kiev. As an army, they eliminated the Ukrainian army. But they left Kiev because the people resisted, otherwise they would have to commit a massive massacre of civilians there. In fact, what happened is not like what you watch on the news. That's not the matter either.

The Russians had a huge victory in Kherson in the last few days.   They will be in Warsaw by Christmas for sure.

Quote from: wise on November 11, 2022, 01:29:41 AM

Russia took over half of Ukraine, including Kyiv, in just three to five days.

Russia never took over half of Ukraine. What's your source for this claim?

You need to sum the map where it occupies the north and east, and the maps where it occupies the south and east. If you want to try it that way.

Quote from: wise on November 11, 2022, 03:37:07 AM

The Russians captured Kiev. As an army, they eliminated the Ukrainian army. But they left Kiev because the people resisted, otherwise they would have to commit a massive massacre of civilians there. In fact, what happened is not like what you watch on the news. That's not the matter either.

Yes.  They did capture Kiev.
Kyiv is a different city.

I read it as Kyiv, or maybe it may be Kiev also.



You may have read different things in the news. However, the Russians, who abandoned the street war due to popular resistance, withdrew from Kiev. Parachute units descending into the city are also seen on other maps. In other words, this did not happen as "they came to the door and gone back" as described in the West media.  They captured the city militarily, but with ISIS guerilla tactics, they retreated to avoid to make a massacre as the popular resistance continued.

Quote from: Stash on November 11, 2022, 10:54:19 AM

Quote from: wise on November 11, 2022, 01:29:41 AM

Russia took over half of Ukraine, including Kyiv, in just three to five days.

Russia never took over half of Ukraine. What's your source for this claim?

You need to sum the map where it occupies the north and east, and the maps where it occupies the south and east. If you want to try it that way.

Current (Nov 3, 2022)


Russia never took half of Ukraine. If you have a different map, go ahead and post it.

Russia never took Kiev or Kharkiv.  It might look like that earlier on in a map.  But they sieged them but never conquered them.

Russia took Kherson but that has been undone as the heroic Russian military led a courageous retreat while the unhinged Ukrainian military lead a panicked advance.

The issue here is whether or not half of Ukraine was ever occupied.



Stash, but I guess you can't see this map. All I can tell you is that there is such a map, but you can't see it.

I get why everyone so obsessed with this half of Ukraina issue.

By the way, let me tell you that the "half" we understand and the "half" you understand may be different things. Sometimes we use the word "half" to mean "a part", which could be a half, a third, or a quarter or anything else has nothing with half.

This is how we use the word half. Sometimes it's really half of something, and sometimes it's anything left unfinished.

Examples:

unfinished business in English means Half business (yarım iş) in Turkish.
loose end: yarım iş (half business)
dropout: okulun yarıda bırakılması (left the school in half)
concha: yarı kubbe (half dome)
split: yarmak (split in two)
boogy board: yarım sörf tahtası (half surfboard)

Half is half

Words have meaning

Words can be used with different meanings in different languages. Like down is a negative thing but "down with" can be positive. This seemed strange to me too, but things like this can happen in English too.

There's no need in trolling, shifter. The word half is sometimes used to mean "any piece" in Turkish, it need not be half. I explained that. It's not about language, it's about culture.

I get why everyone so obsessed with this half of Ukraina issue.

By the way, let me tell you that the "half" we understand and the "half" you understand may be different things. Sometimes we use the word "half" to mean "a part", which could be a half, a third, or a quarter or anything else has nothing with half.

This is how we use the word half. Sometimes it's really half of something, and sometimes it's anything left unfinished.

Examples:

unfinished business in English means Half business (yarım iş) in Turkish.
loose end: yarım iş (half business)
dropout: okulun yarıda bırakılması (left the school in half)
concha: yarı kubbe (half dome)
split: yarmak (split in two)
boogy board: yarım sörf tahtası (half surfboard)

Ah so what you mean is that parts of the country were taken, not 50% of total land mass.


Also your map shows whole counties(districts providences... Whatever) but not all of them were completely taken.

Does this mean by "taking kyiv" you mean "attacked it" and not "was in political qnd military control of the city and its citizens?"

Ah so what you mean is that parts of the country were taken, not 50% of total land mass.

Yes. When I say half, it may or may not be half. Our culture gives us flexibility in this regard.

Also your map shows whole counties(districts providences... Whatever) but not all of them were completely taken.

This shows the progress of the Russians militarily. The Russian army had advanced to that area and this situation was reflected on the maps of the Russians. However, this situation was explained differently to the West, just like a morale and propaganda war. Just as the Russians did not dominate those regions, etc.

Does this mean by "taking kyiv" you mean "attacked it" and not "was in political qnd military control of the city and its citizens?"

No.
When you control the military points of a city, you have been accepted take the city. The Russians took Kiev militarily, but because the people continued to resist, they did not enter the city to avoid a massacre. The fact that the Russian army did not enter the city does not mean that they did not take the city. It's just a symbolic thing.

Consider the scenes where civilians set up barricades and wait behind the barricades with Molotov cocktails. Do not you remember? This happened this way. If there is a people who openly resist such a tank army, massacre is inevitable there. The Russians did not do this and withdrew.

Quote from: Lorddave on November 12, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

Ah so what you mean is that parts of the country were taken, not 50% of total land mass.

Yes. When I say half, it may or may not be half. Our culture gives us flexibility in this regard.

How do you say half when you really mean "half", as in 50%?

Quote from: Lorddave on November 12, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

Does this mean by "taking kyiv" you mean "attacked it" and not "was in political qnd military control of the city and its citizens?"

The fact that the Russian army did not enter the city does not mean that they did not take the city. It's just a symbolic thing.

Yes, it does.

Quote from: wise on November 12, 2022, 02:51:25 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on November 12, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

Ah so what you mean is that parts of the country were taken, not 50% of total land mass.

Yes. When I say half, it may or may not be half. Our culture gives us flexibility in this regard.

How do you say half when you really mean "half", as in 50%?

Quote from: wise on November 12, 2022, 02:51:25 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on November 12, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

Does this mean by "taking kyiv" you mean "attacked it" and not "was in political qnd military control of the city and its citizens?"

The fact that the Russian army did not enter the city does not mean that they did not take the city. It's just a symbolic thing.

Yes, it does.

Again, half alone can be used in order to mean half. But if you mean exact half we use "tam yarısı" (exact half).  It should be emphasized that it is exactly half. If "exact" word is not exist, and there is only word of half, it may means really half, or one of two parts less or more than half.

Quote from: Lorddave on November 12, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

Ah so what you mean is that parts of the country were taken, not 50% of total land mass.

Yes. When I say half, it may or may not be half. Our culture gives us flexibility in this regard.

American and English culture has less flexibility.  When speaking about land, especially when taken in war, more exact numbers are expected.  "half" would mean "50%" instead of "Some of it."  As this is an English/American/Aussie forum, such miscommunications are likely to occur.  So perhaps you should be more specific in your wording.

Quote from: Lorddave on November 12, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

Also your map shows whole counties(districts providences... Whatever) but not all of them were completely taken.

This shows the progress of the Russians militarily. The Russian army had advanced to that area and this situation was reflected on the maps of the Russians. However, this situation was explained differently to the West, just like a morale and propaganda war. Just as the Russians did not dominate those regions, etc.

Quote from: Lorddave on November 12, 2022, 02:39:56 AM

Does this mean by "taking kyiv" you mean "attacked it" and not "was in political qnd military control of the city and its citizens?"

No.
When you control the military points of a city, you have been accepted take the city. The Russians took Kiev militarily, but because the people continued to resist, they did not enter the city to avoid a massacre. The fact that the Russian army did not enter the city does not mean that they did not take the city. It's just a symbolic thing.

Consider the scenes where civilians set up barricades and wait behind the barricades with Molotov cocktails. Do not you remember? This happened this way. If there is a people who openly resist such a tank army, massacre is inevitable there. The Russians did not do this and withdrew.

But this is not what it means to take a city in war.  To take it requires the enemy army to control the city and its operations (hospitals, government, streets, etc..).  Even if there is no army but civillians with molotov cocktails, if the enemy army does not control the city, it has not taken it.
Russia took some key militrary locations around the city but could not enter the city and take control of the political agencies.  Therefore, they did not take the city.

It is similar if I were to say that I take your house simply by standing outside of it with a gun.  This is a lie as I have not entered your house or removed you from it.

The issue here is whether or not half of Ukraine was ever occupied.



Stash, but I guess you can't see this map. All I can tell you is that there is such a map, but you can't see it.

Umm, do you know what the title of you map is?

ОБЛАСТІ В ЯКИХ ЗАПРОВАДИЛИ ВОЄННИЙ СТАН
Translation:
REGIONS IN WHICH MARITAL STATUS WAS INTRODUCED

Your map came from here:

November 26, 2018
In which areas martial law is imposed - map



Are you a liar or just woefully inept? How embarrassing either way.

Isn't there already a thread about the war in Ukraine?  I thought this thread was supposed to be about China preparing to invade Taiwan.

Actually this was about Taiwan. Stash has mix everything here.

Stash, get out!