What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable

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What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« on: October 29, 2022, 03:52:43 PM »
What makes this model better compared to the round Earth model? Can you explain your reasoning?

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2022, 09:19:12 PM »
What makes the round earth model better?
Can you explain your reasoning?
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2022, 10:38:05 PM »
Was there a reason you felt the need to make 2 almost identical threads in 2 separate locations?

The FE hypothesis may appear believable for a number of reasons.

The simplest is that unless you actually think about it, or have to deal with a large portion of the world, you can operate on the basis of Earth being flat or round. And due to the size of Earth, it appears that primitive cultures were more likely to assume a FE (as an exception, some Greek philosophers thought a sphere was a more perfect shape and thought that Earth should be a sphere).

Even today, most people do not deal with things which rely upon a RE, unless they do so indirectly, where a similar setup could at least hypothetically work for a FE.

If they do start to dig deeper, the FEers often have a simple vague explanation which appears to solve the issue, especially for people in the north.

This is also often tied into people believing a religion which describes Earth as flat, so they would follow what their "infallible god" says, rather than fallible men; or tied into paranoia often accompanied by other conspiracies, where the government or an authority saying it can make it less believable. (I wonder how many liberals would become FEers if Trump said Earth was round?)

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2022, 11:52:31 PM »
I wonder how many liberals would become FEers if Trump said Earth was round?

Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2022, 12:35:10 AM »
What makes this model better compared to the round Earth model? Can you explain your reasoning?

It’s not a coin that has two equal sides! It’s not an either or choice.

One is a fact and the other is a fantasy.

It’s not a choice between two equal options, two alternatives, there are no ‘two models’.

Flat earth belief is incapable of producing a model as it’s no more than a fantasy built on a conspiracy with zero scientific credibility.

The option put correctly is either to accept the truth that the world is a sphere or to suck up a belief in a giant global conspiracy that the world against all scientific evidence is flat.

In a nutshell it’s either fact or fantasy as that is the real choice.
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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2022, 12:35:49 AM »
What makes the round earth model better?
Can you explain your reasoning?

That’s the real world.
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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2022, 01:44:51 AM »
That's a pretty lazy attempt at explaining your reasoning tbh.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2022, 03:22:24 AM »
I wonder how many liberals would become FEers if Trump said Earth was round?
I'm going to just play this one straight, as usual. :)

I'd say close to none as Trump says lots of true things that liberals don't instantly stop believing in.

I mean, he talks about being president all the time and I don't know any Democrats who think he didn't spend 4 years in the white house.  He claims to own a fancy house in Florida and I don't know any Democrats claiming Florida isn't real. (Although many wish it wasn't)

In fact, he's mentioned flying around the world more than once, has talked about sending people to Mars and spaceflight, so he's basically saying all that now and I don't see liberals rushing off  to become flat earthers.


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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2022, 03:43:34 AM »
It’s not an either or choice.
Other than in the sense that there are multiple competing, contradictory FE models, it certaintly is an either or choice. Earth can't be flat and round.
One of the choices being wrong doesn't mean it isn't a choice.

there are no ‘two models’.
That's right. There are many models, not just two.
The FE has many contradictory models.

Flat earth belief is incapable of producing a model as it’s no more than a fantasy built on a conspiracy with zero scientific credibility.
A model does not need to be 100% accurate to be a model.
Did you know that people have made models of the USS enterprise from star-trek?
Does that mean that is real according to you?

The option put correctly is either to accept the truth that the world is a sphere or to suck up a belief in a giant global conspiracy that the world against all scientific evidence is flat.
Or, to consider the evidence and reasoning put forward by proponents of both options to see which one is more consistent with reality, perhaps even conducting experiments yourself.

In a nutshell it’s either fact or fantasy as that is the real choice.
And the question is which is the fact and which is the fantasy?

What makes the round earth model better?
Can you explain your reasoning?
That’s the real world.
Great answer, just what I would expect from a FEer.
I'm sure plenty of FEers would say that the FE model is beter because it is the real world.

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2022, 06:34:22 AM »
Why wasting time for debate?
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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2022, 09:00:07 AM »
What makes the round earth model better?
Can you explain your reasoning?

Because the Round Earth Model can actually explain the world and its processes in 1 model, and it can predict the future stellar events, and it actually has a complete map (the flat earth model has never provided a scale that is universal.)

The flat earth model can not model all of these into 1 model successfully (which it needs to in order for it to actually become a set in stone correct model):
- Sunrise and Sunset
- Seasons
- Stars from different people's perspectives perspective
- Plane's flying routes
- Distance Viewing from far away (as in you can see the boat over the water, but then you never continue to watch the boat, as it disappears from the horizon bottom up, like how the round earth says it will)
- Eclipses, when the moon moves in front of the sun.

Those are the ones I can think of at the moment, there are most likely more.

Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2022, 09:02:48 AM »
Was there a reason you felt the need to make 2 almost identical threads in 2 separate locations?

The FE hypothesis may appear believable for a number of reasons.

The simplest is that unless you actually think about it, or have to deal with a large portion of the world, you can operate on the basis of Earth being flat or round. And due to the size of Earth, it appears that primitive cultures were more likely to assume a FE (as an exception, some Greek philosophers thought a sphere was a more perfect shape and thought that Earth should be a sphere).

Even today, most people do not deal with things which rely upon a RE, unless they do so indirectly, where a similar setup could at least hypothetically work for a FE.

If they do start to dig deeper, the FEers often have a simple vague explanation which appears to solve the issue, especially for people in the north.

This is also often tied into people believing a religion which describes Earth as flat, so they would follow what their "infallible god" says, rather than fallible men; or tied into paranoia often accompanied by other conspiracies, where the government or an authority saying it can make it less believable. (I wonder how many liberals would become FEers if Trump said Earth was round?)

I made two because I did not get any responses, and I will lose interest in this website eventually, so I wanted to hear the logic of flat earthers sooner than later or never.

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2022, 03:01:57 PM »
A model does not need to be 100% accurate to be a model.
Did you know that people have made models of the USS enterprise from star-trek?
Does that mean that is real according to you?

Uh-oh.

Borrowing lines from Scepti now are we? 

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2022, 03:55:11 PM »
That's a pretty lazy attempt at explaining your reasoning tbh.

If you are referring  to me then you are much mistaken.

The problem is with your own reasoning giving the flat earth notion any credibility to start with.

Just because some people have sucked up the idea of a giant elaborate conspiracy does not automatically lend it even the slightest credibility.

The earth is a sphere, the whole world of academia from every conceivable discipline  agrees, the ISS along with thousands of other satellites orbit the earth, people fly around it on a daily basis and sail around it! Those satellites beam down images 24/7! If that’s not good enough for you then too bad.

So some whack jobs think it’s flat! So what !

Do you honestly think they need to be taken seriously?

If so more fool you and those that think their crazy notion equates to a theory.

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2022, 12:08:47 AM »
That's a pretty lazy attempt at explaining your reasoning tbh.
If you are referring  to me then you are much mistaken.

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The earth is a sphere, the whole world of academia from every conceivable discipline  agrees, the ISS along with thousands of other satellites orbit the earth, people fly around it on a daily basis and sail around it! Those satellites beam down images 24/7! If that’s not good enough for you then too bad.
See how that is a vastly better justification than "That’s the real world."?
So no, they weren't mistaken.

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2022, 04:30:25 AM »
That's a pretty lazy attempt at explaining your reasoning tbh.
If you are referring  to me then you are much mistaken.

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The earth is a sphere, the whole world of academia from every conceivable discipline  agrees, the ISS along with thousands of other satellites orbit the earth, people fly around it on a daily basis and sail around it! Those satellites beam down images 24/7! If that’s not good enough for you then too bad.
See how that is a vastly better justification than "That’s the real world."?
So no, they weren't mistaken.

Nothing like some good old free think non think straw free double standards Jack.
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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2022, 07:58:36 PM »
In a word, this.



Because any legitimate discussion about the curvature must explain away this.

Meanwhile...

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2022, 08:46:46 PM »
Because any legitimate discussion about the curvature must explain away this.

Explain away what?

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2022, 08:53:13 PM »
Because any legitimate discussion about the curvature must explain away this.

Explain away what?

Either, you are really dense that even a picture doesn't make sense to you, or being deliberately obtuse.

You see how the ocean is upside-down here? The bridge? The cities? Even if we were facing upside down, I've been in trick rooms where they were built with the ceiling on the floor. Don't you think maybe something would be affected by all this? No you don't.

If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2022, 09:20:40 PM »
Because any legitimate discussion about the curvature must explain away this.

Explain away what?

Either, you are really dense that even a picture doesn't make sense to you, or being deliberately obtuse.

You see how the ocean is upside-down here? The bridge? The cities? Even if we were facing upside down, I've been in trick rooms where they were built with the ceiling on the floor. Don't you think maybe something would be affected by all this? No you don't.

I still don't get it. You posted an upside picture of Sydney Harbor. So what?

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2022, 04:02:15 AM »
Because any legitimate discussion about the curvature must explain away this.

Explain away what?

Either, you are really dense that even a picture doesn't make sense to you, or being deliberately obtuse.

You see how the ocean is upside-down here? The bridge? The cities? Even if we were facing upside down, I've been in trick rooms where they were built with the ceiling on the floor. Don't you think maybe something would be affected by all this? No you don't.

I still don't get it. You posted an upside picture of Sydney Harbor. So what?

He thinks the attraction of gravity is unidirectional.
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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2022, 04:34:14 AM »
In a word, this.
Because any legitimate discussion about the curvature must explain away this.
So your repeated misrepresentations of gravity?

It makes perfect sense for those honestly examining it.
A simple force, with the direction based upon the direction to the mass.
You are yet to demonstrate any problem with it.

Just what do you think there is to explain away?

Either, you are really dense that even a picture doesn't make sense to you, or being deliberately obtuse.
Or, the vastly more likely option that you are yet again misrepresenting the RE model to pretend there is a problem when there is not.

Again, the RE model has an explanation for the directionality.

Gravity acts to accelerate objects towards each other. For things near Earth, the most significant object is Earth.
That means for things on or around Earth, they will accelerate towards Earth.

Conversely, the best explanation FEers have for the directionality is either gravity with an infinite FE, or Earth magically accelerating upwards. But both of these have their flaws.

Stop trying to insert your fantasy of a magical universal down into reality.

Don't you think maybe something would be affected by all this?
Don't you think that maybe if it would cause any significant problems you would be able to clearly outline what that problem was, a simple observation we could use to test it, rather than just appealing to vague BS?

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2022, 07:17:59 AM »
Because any legitimate discussion about the curvature must explain away this.

Explain away what?

Either, you are really dense that even a picture doesn't make sense to you, or being deliberately obtuse.

You see how the ocean is upside-down here? The bridge? The cities? Even if we were facing upside down, I've been in trick rooms where they were built with the ceiling on the floor. Don't you think maybe something would be affected by all this? No you don't.

I still don't get it. You posted an upside picture of Sydney Harbor. So what?

He thinks the attraction of gravity is unidirectional.

No, I know gravity is unidirectional.

We don't have gravity storms, nor are objects pulled to other objects. The fattest woman on Earth cannot even pull a single ounce of lint toward herself.  The centric motion of gravity is a lie to prop up the heliocentric motion of universe. But solids and liquids are not joined. That is, when I get altitude change, the blood and water in my system means stuff like ears popping, as air pressure changes for my body. So why is it that as we move around Earth, we don't have warning signs about switching hemispheres? There is no "switching over" where your body's fluids adjust to gravity shifting south-up.

Either gravity is unidirectional and/or there isn't any.

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Or, the vastly more likely option that you are yet again misrepresenting the RE model to pretend there is a problem when there is not.

Actually, there is a major problem. Not only the liquids in your body, but all the bodies of water must stay inside while the Earth is also spinning fast enough to swish these all around. Then we also should have greater gravity on the southern hemisphere in order that these things hold in place. So planes shouldn't be as heavy, and birds shouldn't sky as high. Yet the Andean Condos (South America) flies 15,000 ft. The Bar-tailed Godwit (Australia) flies 20,000 ft. These are southern hemisphere birds, where greater gravity needs to exist in order to contain huge amounts of water (water is heavy per gallon btw, and the Earth has supposedly 326 million trillion gallons, the bulk of which is South of the equator).

Nothing is holding these birds down!
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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2022, 08:51:22 AM »
Because any legitimate discussion about the curvature must explain away this.

Explain away what?

Either, you are really dense that even a picture doesn't make sense to you, or being deliberately obtuse.

You see how the ocean is upside-down here? The bridge? The cities? Even if we were facing upside down, I've been in trick rooms where they were built with the ceiling on the floor. Don't you think maybe something would be affected by all this? No you don't.

I still don't get it. You posted an upside picture of Sydney Harbor. So what?

He thinks the attraction of gravity is unidirectional.

No, I know gravity is unidirectional.

We don't have gravity storms, nor are objects pulled to other objects. The fattest woman on Earth cannot even pull a single ounce of lint toward herself.  The centric motion of gravity is a lie to prop up the heliocentric motion of universe. But solids and liquids are not joined. That is, when I get altitude change, the blood and water in my system means stuff like ears popping, as air pressure changes for my body. So why is it that as we move around Earth, we don't have warning signs about switching hemispheres? There is no "switching over" where your body's fluids adjust to gravity shifting south-up.

Either gravity is unidirectional and/or there isn't any.

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Or, the vastly more likely option that you are yet again misrepresenting the RE model to pretend there is a problem when there is not.

Actually, there is a major problem. Not only the liquids in your body, but all the bodies of water must stay inside while the Earth is also spinning fast enough to swish these all around. Then we also should have greater gravity on the southern hemisphere in order that these things hold in place. So planes shouldn't be as heavy, and birds shouldn't sky as high. Yet the Andean Condos (South America) flies 15,000 ft. The Bar-tailed Godwit (Australia) flies 20,000 ft. These are southern hemisphere birds, where greater gravity needs to exist in order to contain huge amounts of water (water is heavy per gallon btw, and the Earth has supposedly 326 million trillion gallons, the bulk of which is South of the equator).

Nothing is holding these birds down!

Gravity is unidirectional only in the sense that it is toward the center of the mass.
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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2022, 10:17:18 AM »
Because any legitimate discussion about the curvature must explain away this.

Explain away what?

Either, you are really dense that even a picture doesn't make sense to you, or being deliberately obtuse.

You see how the ocean is upside-down here? The bridge? The cities? Even if we were facing upside down, I've been in trick rooms where they were built with the ceiling on the floor. Don't you think maybe something would be affected by all this? No you don't.

I still don't get it. You posted an upside picture of Sydney Harbor. So what?

He thinks the attraction of gravity is unidirectional.
The centric motion of gravity is a lie to prop up the heliocentric motion of universe.

Odd that such a massive all encompassing lie works amazingly well and is used from everything aero and aerospace all the way down to your phone and even further.

What calculations should designers and engineers use instaed?


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Or, the vastly more likely option that you are yet again misrepresenting the RE model to pretend there is a problem when there is not.

Actually, there is a major problem. Not only the liquids in your body, but all the bodies of water must stay inside while the Earth is also spinning fast enough to swish these all around. Then we also should have greater gravity on the southern hemisphere in order that these things hold in place. So planes shouldn't be as heavy, and birds shouldn't sky as high. Yet the Andean Condos (South America) flies 15,000 ft. The Bar-tailed Godwit (Australia) flies 20,000 ft. These are southern hemisphere birds, where greater gravity needs to exist in order to contain huge amounts of water (water is heavy per gallon btw, and the Earth has supposedly 326 million trillion gallons, the bulk of which is South of the equator).

Nothing is holding these birds down!

First off, Birds Aren't Real...

Secondly, what in the world are you talking about? Why would the S Hemi need more gravity?

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2022, 01:18:32 PM »
No, I know gravity is unidirectional.
How?
And again, what magic gives it this unidirectionality?

We don't have gravity storms
Why would you expect them?
You are appealing to delusional garbage to try and pretend there is a problem, as you can't actually show any.

nor are objects pulled to other objects.
Yes they are, with objects pulled towards Earth, and even simple experiments like the Cavendish experiment demonstrating this attraction.

The centric motion of gravity is a lie
No, it is a simple and logical explanation of observed phenomenon which actually makes sense and most importantly provides a justification for the directionality.
What is a lie is your magical unidirectionality gravity which you cannot explain or justify at all.

So why is it that as we move around Earth, we don't have warning signs about switching hemispheres?
Because the pressure remains the same, and it doesn't just magically flip when you cross the equator. At the equator neither north nor south is up. They are both sideways.
Down is towards the centre, up is away from the centre.

Stop just asking dumb questions like "why don't we feel this" when you have provided absolutely nothing to indicate we should.

Instead, if you wish to assert such nonsense then clearly explain and justify exactly what you think should be felt and why.

Either gravity is unidirectional and/or there isn't any.
Or, the vastly more likely option that the direction of gravity depends on the direction to the significant body.

Actually, there is a major problem.
What major problem?
Your blatant misrepresentation?
Because you are yet to demonstrate anything which even comes close to being a problem.

Not only the liquids in your body, but all the bodies of water must stay inside while the Earth is also spinning fast enough to swish these all around.
No, that is just your baseless BS.
What makes you claim they are spinning fast enough to swish these all around?
Earth is rotating once every 24 hours, that is incredibly slow.
At the equator, the location where the acceleration required to maintain this motion is the fastest, it is only 0.3% of gravity (If I recall correctly).

Then we also should have greater gravity on the southern hemisphere in order that these things hold in place.
Why? Because of you trying to put your FE garbage into reality where you want to pretend the southern hemisphere is the bottom of Earth and there is some magical force trying to rip everything down off it?

In reality, none of that garbage of yours is real.
So why should there be greater gravity in the south?

Yet again, you just showing your willingness to blatantly misrepresent the RE model to pretend there is a problem because you can't actually demonstrate any problem.

Nothing is holding these birds down!
Then why do they need wings to fly?
Why can you clip a birds wings to prevent it from flying?

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2022, 09:00:19 PM »

First off, Birds Aren't Real...

Secondly, what in the world are you talking about? Why would the S Hemi need more gravity?

I've seen those t-shirts. But yeah, they are real.

Second, let's assume this hourglass uses the same bidirectional or omnidirectional gravity force you claim exists on Earth.


Gravity uses greater mass to attract lesser mass (for example the Earth -> sun), so here the sands should stay put, and not travel down the glass. This would basically leave any sand (or in the case of the Earth, earth and water) right where it is.

But this is not how objects behave. Anywhere on Earth. You can see from the hourglass, it moves straight down. Despite the fact that there are less grains of sand, the sand moves downward to be with other grains of sand.
 
You'd probably tell me that the most massive thing on Earth is at its center (ignoring all the water and earth and life here). In this strange hourglass, objects move toward the center, eventually clogging all movement.

But this is also not how objects behave. A real hourglass is not clogged in the center (unless it has too narrow an opening), and certainly not because sand is traveling upward.

In a real hourglass, the only way the underside falls down is by flipping the thing, but while that happens, everything sitting at the bottom (we're saying this hourglass has a leak on both sides) begins to sift out. But even if were were saying it constantly turns, that creates a shifting sands ecosystem. No matter could grow or develop because it's in constant upheaval.

That is to say, the natural behavior of objects means that if there is gravity (or even if as I say, there is not), massive objects fall downward, not upward, so let's start with that. All water and earth heads toward the equator.  But like an hourglass, the sands are pressing down from the center. There must be greater upward force to make equilibrium, since this strange hourglass demands this "sand" not only fight its way upstream but compete with all the matter above it.

Meanwhile, a unidirectional gravity (or none) requires no such insane suspension of the normal laws of the behavior of matter.




Magnetic sand or buoyancy will allow an hourglass to flow upward.

Gravity? It has no effect here.

Laws are things that have discernible and consistent effects, testable at any point. But we cannot test whether it is gravity or some other force, and we cannot use gravity here in any practical way. 

No micro-application? No proof that the "law" exists on the macro level.
On the other hand...



You can make a machine that rotates based on the interplay between buoyancy and density. It bobs up and down, continuing to push the thing forward.



And you can make a launcher with magnets. These are real forces. Show me one device that provably uses gravity, and not density or mass. Just one.
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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2022, 09:58:47 PM »

First off, Birds Aren't Real...

Secondly, what in the world are you talking about? Why would the S Hemi need more gravity?
Gravity uses greater mass to attract lesser mass (for example the Earth -> sun), so here the sands should stay put, and not travel down the glass. This would basically leave any sand (or in the case of the Earth, earth and water) right where it is.

First off, before you rail against something, educate yourself on how that something you disagree with works. Railing against something out of ignorance does not make for a compelling argument.

Here's a starting point: The mass that is attracting the sand is not the sand below it. Try and figure out what the conventional theory you loathe is actually doing to the sand.

Once you comprehend the conventional theory, you can then go and try and pick it apart.

Thus far, you've shown you have no knowledge about the thing you claim to disregard.

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JackBlack

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2022, 12:43:32 AM »
let's assume this hourglass uses the same bidirectional or omnidirectional gravity force you claim exists on Earth.
You mean "let's yet again blatantly misrepresent how gravity works, to spout a bunch of lies about it, to pretend it doesn't work, while being entirely unable to show any fault with gravity".

Gravity uses greater mass to attract lesser mass (for example the Earth -> sun), so here the sands should stay put, and not travel down the glass
Why?
What is there to stop or overcome the gravitational attraction between the sands and Earth?
What magic should cause the sand to stay put?
Yet again, you are just asserting delusional BS with no justification at all, all so you can dishonestly pretend there is a problem.

Like I have explained repeatedly, if you want to ignore Earth in your test then you need to perform the experiment in free fall, well outside the Roche limit of any significant body.

Despite the fact that there are less grains of sand, the sand moves downward
To be closer to the much larger mass of Earth.
Again, this observation is entirely consistent with what is expected due to gravity.

In this strange hourglass, objects move toward the center, eventually clogging all movement.
Yet again, pure BS.
In this entirely ordinary hourglass, the sand inside is trying to move towards the centre of Earth.
Again, entirely consistent with gravity.

That is to say, the natural behavior of objects means that if there is gravity (or even if as I say, there is not), massive objects fall downward
Yes, downwards towards the centre of Earth, not upwards away from Earth (at least when near Earth).

All water and earth heads toward the equator.
Why?

Meanwhile, a unidirectional gravity (or none) requires no such insane suspension of the normal laws of the behavior of matter.
You are yet to demonstrate any insane suspension of the normal laws of the behaviour of matter is required for real gravity.

But as pointed out repeatedly, your fantasy magical universal down defines the normal laws of the behaviour of matter.
You have matter magically accelerate in a specific direction for no reason at all.
That is pure magic.

Gravity? It has no effect here.
It still has an effect.
In the case of magnetism, the effect of gravity is being overcome by a more powerful force.
In the case of buoyancy, the surrounding fluid is falling.

Laws are things that have discernible and consistent effects, testable at any point.
Just like gravity.
Easily discernible and consistent effects which have been tested countless times.

Show me one device that provably uses gravity, and not density or mass.
Density and mass provides no justification at all for an object to move.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: What Makes this flat Earth hypothesis believable
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2022, 02:52:55 AM »
All water and earth heads toward the equator. 

Except for high tide, low tide, and tidal bores.  All examples of gravity interacting with the earth.

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A tidal bore,[1] often simply given as bore in context, is a tidal phenomenon in which the leading edge of the incoming tide forms a wave (or waves) of water that travels up a river or narrow bay, reversing the direction of the river or bay's current. It is a strong tide that pushes up the river, against the current.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_bore


Other things fist earth cannot explain without contradicting it’s self.

While gravity explains how a hanging spring scale works in accordance with Hooke’s law and the three laws of motion. High tide, low tide, and tidal bores.