Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?

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Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #450 on: January 13, 2023, 11:01:23 PM »
It's much more lucrative to flog about 'aliens', or 'swamp monsters', or 'bigfoot', or whatever, if it was for money, because those I've just mentioned, have ALREADY made many people VERY rich, with nothing but crap, why do you think there's endless crap about aliens?
Which just demonstrates how easily people will believe absolute crap like the FE. So starting with the FE, with minimal competition can make you much more likely to get money than starting in an already established field.

Then we get to these poor, honest, little to benefit people who claimed, from the first people, up to those today - that the Earth is a ball, speeding through endless 'space' all around it....
No, not from the first people. Quite some time after that, when they realised a FE doesn't work.

The only benefit it is to our map makers, sailors and pilots, is if they're paid to shut their mouths about it all, or more likely, threatened to shut their mouths about it all, or else.
There would be no benefit to map makers to produce maps that don't work.
There would be no benefit to sailors and pilots wasting fuel and time on routes.

The best you have is a massive conspiracy threatening all these people.

At least you're right about satellite manufacturers making money from it, they certainly DO make lots of money from it.
Only because it works.
If it didn't work, and then had to fake it with something else, then it is costing them money, because they are spending money putting on a show, but still have to spend all the money they otherwise would have to to get the results.

How about NASA? How much money have they been given, and still get every year, from it?
And how much would be wasted on faking everything, instead of just saying the truth?

Anyone who operates a business within those fields, or given a contract by one, to manufacture something, or bids for contracts, and gets one, or more, is also benefitting from it.
Only if they are just getting money without needing to produce anything.
Anyone in these industries that actually needs to produce things with results which the general public can check, things like countless satellite photos, satellite TV, GPS, satellite internet and so on.
They would need to spend loads of money to fake it.
They would benefit more from not faking it.

Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #451 on: January 14, 2023, 01:01:22 AM »
A business built on selling parts for time machines, entirely developed and operated by a government agency called HTTA, or the Human Time Traveling Agency, funded with billions of taxpayers money, would also be completely fake, and be very much a benefit for all involved, too.

It's MUCH MUCH HARDER to make money, by TRYING to develop something that IS REAL, qhich MUST WORK AS CLAIMED, while any dolt can make a fake, and just SAY it's real, and it works!  How hard is THAT?

You were completely clueless about this being the very OPPOSITE , so now you should know better.

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Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #452 on: January 14, 2023, 02:12:14 AM »
It's MUCH MUCH HARDER to make money, by TRYING to develop something that IS REAL, qhich MUST WORK AS CLAIMED, while any dolt can make a fake, and just SAY it's real, and it works!  How hard is THAT?
We aren't talking about people just saying it works.
We are talking about things with very real results.

You can't just say you have launched a bunch of satellites to provide GPS, and take all the money and not produce a system.
We have GPS which works based upon these satellites.

What you are suggesting would require them to produce a fully working system.

It is somewhat easy to get money by just saying you have made something, with that ease depending on how foolish the people funding it are.

In that sense of work required it is harder to produce a real functioning system.

But what is harder than both is to produce a functioning system, and on top of that, make a fake.


Stop just ignoring what has been said just to repeat the same (or similar) delusional BS.

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Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #453 on: January 14, 2023, 04:07:25 AM »
Anyone who operates a business within those fields, or given a contract by one, to manufacture something, or bids for contracts, and gets one, or more, is also benefitting from it.

And they are all lying? Pilots, cartographers, ATC, ship captains, engineers, designers, architects, coders, surveyors, weathermen, researchers, astronomers both professional and amateur, communications specialists, professors, mathematicians, biologists, and chemists, anyone and everyone reliant on gravity, spherical coordinates systems and calculations, etc., all of them, around the entire world, regardless of country, every last one, is being paid to lie or threatened to lie and are, defacto, just plain liars?

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Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #454 on: January 14, 2023, 09:47:16 AM »
OK, who makes money from RE?  Map makers, sailors, airline pilots, satellite manufacturers, cell phone makers, cell phone users (including you), computer users (including you), etc. 

Who makes money from FE?  People like William Carpenter, Claudio Nocelli, Eric DuBay and David Wardlaw Scott who write books that they sell to the gullible FE sheep.  Also the people who organize the seminars and sell T-shirts.

It's much more lucrative to flog about 'aliens', or 'swamp monsters', or 'bigfoot', or whatever, if it was for money, because those I've just mentioned, have ALREADY made many people VERY rich, with nothing but crap, why do you think there's endless crap about aliens? It makes lots of people money, some are RICH because of it, make a MOVIE from it, or a TV special, or get on one about it. Not that it always does happen, but there's always a CHANCE of it, just because it's about 'aliens'.

I suppose 'aliens' or 'bigfoot' or 'inter-dimensional phantoms', have nothing to do with making money, or just to make money? While they often DO make some of them millions, that's not why they do it, or most of them, right? Sure, if you say so!

Then we get to these poor, honest, little to benefit people who claimed, from the first people, up to those today - that the Earth is a ball, speeding through endless 'space' all around it....

The only benefit it is to our map makers, sailors and pilots, is if they're paid to shut their mouths about it all, or more likely, threatened to shut their mouths about it all, or else.

Much like 'astronauts' are, but they are seen as 'great heroic figures', and DO make money from being liars, unlike pilots or sailors. 

At least you're right about satellite manufacturers making money from it, they certainly DO make lots of money from it.

How about NASA? How much money have they been given, and still get every year, from it?
Billions and billions in money, and it's ALL from 'it'.

Astronomers were the very FIRST people to benefit from it, and still are today, in fact.

Anyone who operates a business within those fields, or given a contract by one, to manufacture something, or bids for contracts, and gets one, or more, is also benefitting from it.


Not much of a benefit, right?

Flat Earther writers and lecturers are identical to those who profit from aliens, bigfoot and Nessie.  They make money from gullible minds.

You assert that pilots make money by keeping their mouths shut.  Yet, somehow, they can fly planes between New York and Singapore or San Francisco and New Delhi, repeatedly, using navigation principles and concepts derived from reliance on a spherical earth.

So, pilots are paid to keep their mouths shut but are not liars like astronauts.  Are you conflicted or can't you remember what you write from paragraph to paragraph?

Then NASA and satellite makers. 


IF there are no satellites, explain how cell phones work.  If there is no ISS, explain what any human can see moving across the sky from time to time.

It seems there are far more people involved in your great conspiracy than not.  Someone even asserted we rational posters were paid shills.

All you can do is rattle on about a great conspiracy.  You cannot provide any valid evidence or facts about your alternative.  I'll ask again...
How big are the sun and the moon?
How far are they from the earth?
Where is the model that explains the day-night cycle and the seasons?

Why can flat earthers not explain their own beliefs?

Four year olds on playgrounds can yell "You're wrong". 






Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #455 on: January 15, 2023, 02:11:32 AM »
We aren't talking about people just saying it works.
We are talking about things with very real results.

You can't just say you have launched a bunch of satellites to provide GPS, and take all the money and not produce a system.
We have GPS which works based upon these satellites.

What you are suggesting would require them to produce a fully working system.

The devices DO work, it is how they CLAIM to work, that is the big lie here. 

What they called 'satellite dishes', had nothing to do with any 'satellites', which don't even exist in the first place. Satellite dishes are nothing more than signal receivers, of Earth bound EM waves, like TV is, or radio is, among others. 

We were transmitting EM waves over oceans, and land, WAY before any 'space' BS came into existence. Telegraph signals, radio and TV signals, radar and sonar signals, shortwave radio signals, to name a few, all came into existence long before that.

If it had come out only NOW, they'd claim it bounced signals off 'space satellites', and you'd buy it just the same as the other crap.

It is built up as something using 'satellites' now, but it's all the same as before, Earth signals, fiber optic cables spanning the world's oceans and land, and then they said it was based on our 'satellite technology'!   

While all of this would be impossible to prove as fake, there first must be actual proof it is REAL, as claimed to be. And there's NEVER been a shred of proof for it being real, and never will be, as a fake has no proof.

The fake isn't that these things don't work, they do. The fake part is saying they are based on ANOTHER fake, which are their 'satellites'.   

You're correct in that they are real instruments, real transmitters and receivers of signals, that's where money and effort was necessary, like any other product we've developed and is real, and works.  But the difference is, what they are said to be using, and based on, and that is the big lie, the big sell.

They won't even let us see a rocket after the first 3 or 4 minutes at the launch area, where we could simply go 60 or 200 miles off the coast and see/film them all the time, in complete SAFETY, like at the launch area, only safer. No rocket that could explode at launch, on the ocean!

So if they hide rockets from all sight, and you believe their BS story is true, anyway, why are you saying that I have to prove they are all FAKE?  You've never had proof to begin with, and let them HIDE that proof, as if it didn't NEED any, or have to SHOW it to us, because they don't show us any, they HIDE it, and you don't even realize that fact.
 

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Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #456 on: January 15, 2023, 03:03:25 AM »
The devices DO work
Which is why your delusional BS about a time machine wont help.
Which is why your crap about it being easier to fake it than have something that works wont help you.

The point is they gain NOTHING by claiming Earth is round.
They need to produce a system that works.
They can't just take money, launch a rocket and have it crash in the ocean and claim they have gone to space and be done with it.
If they are faking it and claiming the rocket goes to space, they need to produce a working system.

What benefit do they gain by wasting money to fake it? Money they could just charge for the cost of the functioning system?

there's NEVER been a shred of proof for it being real, and never will be, as a fake has no proof.
There is plenty, just none you would accept.

why are you saying that I have to prove they are all FAKE?
Because you are claiming it is fake, against the mountains of evidence that demonstrates it isn't, and with no motive to fake it.
You not liking the evidence you are wrong doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #457 on: January 15, 2023, 03:31:21 AM »
The point is they gain NOTHING by claiming Earth is round.
They need to produce a system that works.
They can't just take money, launch a rocket and have it crash in the ocean and claim they have gone to space and be done with it.
If they are faking it and claiming the rocket goes to space, they need to produce a working system.

What benefit do they gain by wasting money to fake it? Money they could just charge for the cost of the functioning system?

Those which DO have to work, as claimed, are instruments we actually use, that is distinctly different than saying 'satellites' have to work, or that rockets fly more than 4 minutes, into 'space', and to the moon and back.

Again, the ONLY thing we know is true about rockets, is that they do launch up from the ground, fly straight up, and veer off nearly sideways, slightly going up at an angle, for a total time of about 4 minutes, or so.

And they then claim it is forbidden to see them after that point, while we all know, by using logical thought, reason, and common sense, that they are simply lying to us. Common sense shows us that if it is safe to see rockets from one point, it is also safe to see them from other points too, at the same distance away.

But when you simply accept their lie, knowing it IS a lie, they are in CONTROL of you, telling you anything, you will believe it is true, never using your own brain, using logical thought and reason, or common sense at all.


After rockets fly out of sight, the rest is simply made up. That's the easy part, nothing is real anyway, so it doesn't matter what they say it does, it is believed like the rest was.


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Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #458 on: January 15, 2023, 05:42:56 AM »
Again, the ONLY thing we know is true about rockets, is that they do launch up from the ground, fly straight up, and veer off nearly sideways, slightly going up at an angle, for a total time of about 4 minutes, or so.

This one didn't veer off. Straight up and straight down. 307,000 foot apogee.

Is 307k feet not enough?



William Shatner inside Blue Origin at apogee:


What Capt. James Tiberius Kirk had to say about the experience:

"I saw a cold, dark, black emptiness. It was unlike any blackness you can see or feel on Earth. It was deep, enveloping, all-encompassing. I turned back toward the light of home. I could see the curvature of Earth, the beige of the desert, the white of the clouds and the blue of the sky. It was life. Nurturing, sustaining, life. Mother Earth. Gaia. And I was leaving her."

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Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #459 on: January 15, 2023, 12:51:58 PM »
The point is they gain NOTHING by claiming Earth is round.
They need to produce a system that works.
They can't just take money, launch a rocket and have it crash in the ocean and claim they have gone to space and be done with it.
If they are faking it and claiming the rocket goes to space, they need to produce a working system.

What benefit do they gain by wasting money to fake it? Money they could just charge for the cost of the functioning system?
Those which DO have to work, as claimed, are instruments we actually use, that is distinctly different than saying 'satellites' have to work, or that rockets fly more than 4 minutes, into 'space', and to the moon and back.
Continually ignoring the point wont help you.


Again, they are not simply faking it. They are producing a system that works.
So all your BS about them just faking a launch and taking the money doesn't help.

Again, the ONLY thing we know is true about rockets, is that they do launch up from the ground, fly straight up, and veer off nearly sideways, slightly going up at an angle, for a total time of about 4 minutes, or so.
No, we don't.
That is your pathetic claim.
You are yet to demonstrate that they are nearly sideways.

And they then claim it is forbidden to see them after that point, while we all know, by using logical thought, reason, and common sense, that they are simply lying to us.
Again, that is your delusional garbage, garbage you spout with no evidence or rational justification.
So common sense, logic, reason, etc, all show that you are lying to us because you can't handle reality.

But when you simply accept their lie, knowing it IS a lie, they are in CONTROL of you
I don't accept your lie, so you are not in control.

I use my brain, which is why I don't accept your BS.

Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #460 on: January 20, 2023, 10:03:30 PM »
The point is they gain NOTHING by claiming Earth is round.
They need to produce a system that works.
They can't just take money, launch a rocket and have it crash in the ocean and claim they have gone to space and be done with it.
If they are faking it and claiming the rocket goes to space, they need to produce a working system.

What benefit do they gain by wasting money to fake it? Money they could just charge for the cost of the functioning system?

If someone gave you a 50 million dollar telescope to see through, and told you to lie about what you saw, but make sure it looks legit, and matches up with the rest of the story, and supports their EARLIER BS claims too, and they'll pay you a fortune for doing it......

What would you do? Let's say you want no part of it, but don't tell them that.

Then, you say they wanted you to make up what you saw, and signed their NDA, which says you cannot talk about your job, your employer, or anything RELATED to it, and if you do, you will be held liable for it, no more job, no money to live, and you're laughed at, as a nut job, a liar, and thief, among other nice things beyond that...

What would be the FIRST thing that shows something is either fake, or real, or suggests most likely it is one or the other?

Something that is real, or most likely is real, and NOT faked, is whether or not everyone agrees with the whole story, as true, 100%, and how many OTHER things have ever had 100% agreement on everything?

Agreeing on the ENTIRE story, 100%, is a blatant giveaway it's faked, because if it is NOT faked, it will NEVER be 100% agreed on, there's NOTHING that has ever been, and never will be....

Something will always be disputed, doubted, questioned, and that's a GOOD thing.

Another feature of a fake, that has 100% in agreement, is to disparage and mock any who DO have doubts or questions about ANYTHING of the story as not being 100% true....

But the ISSUE itself, should tell you all, it is clearly faked.

This issue cannot rely on someone's claims, or claims of a group of people, because NO issues are based on claims, without any proof or validation or confirmation of those claims, never has, never WILL be, and if you doubt that, show me where it's been done elsewhere, I'd love to see it!


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Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #461 on: January 21, 2023, 02:21:02 AM »
If someone gave you a 50 million dollar telescope to see through, and told you to lie about what you saw, but make sure it looks legit, and matches up with the rest of the story, and supports their EARLIER BS claims too, and they'll pay you a fortune for doing it......
So again, you fail to discuss the issue at hand and instead appeal to magical money just coming from no where with no evidence of it existing at all.

Agreeing on the ENTIRE story, 100%, is a blatant giveaway it's faked
And have you bothered looking at the entire history, all 100% of it, from everyone who discusses it?
Or have you just taken a cursory glance?

because if it is NOT faked, it will NEVER be 100% agreed on
You mean like how the numbers obtained vary slightly?

Another feature of a fake, that has 100% in agreement, is to disparage and mock any who DO have doubts or questions about ANYTHING of the story as not being 100% true
Good thing that isn't happening here.
Instead you have people spouting delusional BS, rejecting all evidence and instead dismissing it all as fake, with absolutely nothing except their own paranoia to try and prop that up.

But the ISSUE itself, should tell you all, it is clearly faked.
Yet you cannot demonstrate a single reason that it is fake.

This issue cannot rely on someone's claims, or claims of a group of people
And it doesn't.
There is plentiful evidence.
And for the RE in general, that includes evidence you can get yourself.

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Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #462 on: January 22, 2023, 01:34:36 PM »


The devices DO work, it is how they CLAIM to work, that is the big lie here. 

What they called 'satellite dishes', had nothing to do with any 'satellites',...

We were transmitting EM waves over oceans, and land, WAY before any 'space' BS came into existence. Telegraph signals, radio and TV signals, radar and sonar signals, shortwave radio 
While all of this would be impossible to prove as fake, there first must be actual proof it is REAL, as claimed to be. And there's NEVER been a shred of proof for it being real, and never will be, as a fake has no proof.

The fake isn't that these things don't work, they do. The fake part is saying they are based on ANOTHER fake, which are their 'satellites'.   

 

They won't even let us see a rocket after the first 3 or 4 minutes at the launch area, where we could simply go 60 or 200 miles off the coast and see/film them all the time, in complete SAFETY, like at the launch area, only safer. 
So if they hide rockets from all sight, 


IF there are no satellites, explain how cell phones work.  If there is no ISS, explain what any human can see moving across the sky from time to time.

It seems there are far more people involved in your great conspiracy than not.  Someone even asserted we rational posters were paid shills.

All you can do is rattle on about a great conspiracy.  You cannot provide any valid evidence or facts about your alternative.  I'll ask again...
How big are the sun and the moon?
How far are they from the earth?
Where is the model that explains the day-night cycle and the seasons?

Why can flat earthers not explain their own beliefs?
« Last Edit: January 22, 2023, 01:39:36 PM by ecco »

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Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #463 on: January 22, 2023, 02:20:20 PM »
IF there are no satellites, explain how cell phones work.
Cell phones use towers on Earth. Not satellites.
Only satellite phones, which are much rarer use satellites.

The only thing most phones use satellites for is GPS.

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Re: Are all flat earthers also Genesis believers?
« Reply #464 on: January 23, 2023, 11:14:01 AM »
IF there are no satellites, explain how cell phones work.
Cell phones use towers on Earth. Not satellites.
Only satellite phones, which are much rarer use satellites.

The only thing most phones use satellites for is GPS.

Yep.  I misspoke.  Satellite phones and GPS (in cell phones and in cars, etc)