Is the earth flat?

This is a strange place.

Did you notice what I wrote to whom and who replied?

With visual observations from the ground, we can see a flat shape.

It’s because the earth is really big to our sense of proportion.  And the curvature is very shallow because of it.


Example

For this limited view



Could you tell if the “line” was actually part of a downward sloping ditch that curves to the right?




That’s why the experiments listed that remove the error of illusion are important.

Now I'm determined to prove I'm right.

Then try providing evidence rather than repeating the same clichés, and address the massive issues with your claims that have been pointed out.

With visual observations from the ground, we can see a flat shape.

No, we can't.
We see a very irregular shape.
It is only over vast distances if we ignore these irregularities that we get an idea of the overall shape. But at that point, you can't easily tell just by looking (without thinking) if it is flat or round.
But by taking multiple observations, and thinking about what is seen, we can determine Earth is round.

And from space, we see a flat plane, facing towards the spacecraft.

No, we don't.
If you want to play that game, the only shape you can observe is the outline. That doesn't tell you if it is a flat plane or a sphere from a single view.
But again, we haven't just viewed Earth from space from a single angle.
We have viewed it from many. And in all cases, it appears as roughly a circle. This only makes sense for a shape that is roughly a sphere.

The visual observations already disprove a globe earth, but lets move on.

What observations?
So far every observation made is consistent with a RE.
The views from space, and plenty from the ground, disprove a FE.

The reason that the two hemispheres see different stars is because they are looking different ways.

This is the same problem as the sun.
This should be a case of everyone on one side should be able to see the same stars in the same apparent location at the same time at night (which would also be the same time).
Instead the stars that are visible will depend on the time, with different locations seeing different stars at different times.

I would like to mention that the coin earth is tilted 23.5 degrees just like a globe earth would expect. This would also account for the seasons that we experience throughout the year.

Considering you cant account for time zones and just entirely ignored that, I highly doubt it.

What part of Earth do you say is on one side of this coin?
And then what axis does it rotate about?
And is this axis tilted towards the sun as it orbits the sun?

The Coriolis Effect occurs when air moves away from the curved border due to the spinning of the coin.

Except the effect expected for a flat coin is quite different to that expected for a sphere, and what is observed matches a sphere.

I didn't join this "society" to be called on alt account on my birthday.

Then you should decide which one of your accts you want to keep. Lucas or Liam?

I'll decide for you. Bye Lucas!

I can confirm this for you.
I have solid proof that the earth is flat.

Let me know if you want to know anything!

Hate to contradict but it’s not flat. It’s a sphere of sorts. As far as you having proof. I’m afraid once more that is not possible.

It’s ironic but flat earth believers always want to project the notion that they are free thinking rebels able to see the truth…..   when in reality they nothing more  non thinking conspiracy driven drones.

What you might want to think about is the complex global conspiracy that what you believe in rests on as without that unbelievable construct  every thing falls flat.

There is not a day that goes when there are a multitude of events that you are compelled to write off as fake as were they actually real you would look a right fool believing in what you believe.

This is the reality of flat earth belief. Coupled to that you also believe that you know enough about  everything to make claims like ‘gravity is fake’ when in reality you have zero resources to go about it’s actual study and is something you know next to nothing about. All you have at your disposal is YOUTUBE!

How about you think about this elaborate global conspiracy you believe in and contemplate how likely it is to be true!

You can add this to you enormous daily list of fake news and ask yourself why do they keep producing these stories?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-63418056

How about you think about this elaborate global conspiracy you believe in and contemplate how likely it is to be true!

You can add this to you enormous daily list of fake news and ask yourself why do they keep producing these stories?

Which side is conspiracy?



You can try this experiment at home but You can't do NASA's spacewalks at home. Which one is seemingly a conspiracy?



This is the technical explanation of what we see with the experiment, simultaneously explaining why the light would not be reflected this way in the spherical model. Both are perfectly compatible with technical representation. What we did with the experiment, what we saw outside, and the technical explanation, they all fit together.

So which side is the conspiracy here? Are you going to object by saying that I made a calculation error here, I made a drawing error here? Or are you going to mute me by jb to send here to interrupting my  posts and getting on my nerves? Isn't everything already clear?

 simultaneously explaining why the light would not be reflected this way

Why not?  Curved mirrors are used to see around blind spots…..



You want us to buy into an experiment but not give any explanation on its setup and if it’s accurate in scale?  As in did the experiment scale in the sun being millions of miles a away, and create a curvature on that same scale? 

When this it demonstrable true?

Which side is conspiracy?

Well given the clearly demonstrable examples of dishonesty by FEers, I would have to say the FE side.

Try it with a real flat surface, one most homes have, called a mirror.
You see that you get a perfect reflection. It doesn't smear.
Having it smear requires a non-flat surface, such as the textured surface of water, effectively lots of little curves.
Your "curved surface" is also curved to a much greater extent than the RE.

You also have the light source much lower for the RE one. I wonder why?

This is the technical explanation of what we see with the experiment

No, it isn't.
Firstly, it fails to have the sun appear above the horizon as it is observed in the photo.
But more importantly, it doesn't show a FE.

A technical explanation would show the difference between a flat surface and a round surface, and show that the only difference is that for a smooth surface, a round earth would shrink the reflection slightly, with the amount shrunk dependant on how curved the surface is.

Here is a better technical explanation, using technical drawing tools. This is what is expected for a flat surface:

We have a single reflection for any given position. And it will be fairly small.

And here is what we would expect for a spherical surface:

Which is basically the same as for a flat surface.

So the texture of the surface is more important.

And why don't we consider a little bit further along (assuming sunset) after the sun has set, and is casting light upwards.
This makes no sense at all on your FE, but works fine on the RE.

Or are you going to mute me by jb to send here to interrupting my  posts and getting on my nerves?

You mean by me coming in and pointing out your BS?
If people exposing the falsehoods that you spout gets on your nerves, perhaps you shouldn't spout so many falsehoods.

I've told you what you need to do if you want me to not split up your posts. And you refuse.

@ wise
Life is tough outside the “Flat Earth Believers” safe space……

@jb The sun is not as close as in your drawing. You are clearly frauding. This is what we know as "manipulating the science". I'm not going to bother with that anymore since you answered by dividing my post.

@jb The sun is not as close as in your drawing. You are clearly frauding. This is what we know as "manipulating the science".

Complain about something more accurate than your own inaccurate meme?

I'm not going to bother with that anymore since you answered by dividing my post.

You can’t handle the point by point takedown of your posts, which is allowed on this site?  Then why did you join? 

Quote from: Timeisup on October 28, 2022, 12:02:43 AM

How about you think about this elaborate global conspiracy you believe in and contemplate how likely it is to be true!

You can add this to you enormous daily list of fake news and ask yourself why do they keep producing these stories?

Which side is conspiracy?



You can try this experiment at home but You can't do NASA's spacewalks at home. Which one is seemingly a conspiracy?



This is the technical explanation of what we see with the experiment, simultaneously explaining why the light would not be reflected this way in the spherical model. Both are perfectly compatible with technical representation. What we did with the experiment, what we saw outside, and the technical explanation, they all fit together.

So which side is the conspiracy here? Are you going to object by saying that I made a calculation error here, I made a drawing error here? Or are you going to mute me by jb to send here to interrupting my  posts and getting on my nerves? Isn't everything already clear?

What!

Given there are thousand of satellites whizzing over our heads many of which can be clearly seen
Given that every single astronomer scientists etc all would say the earth is a sphere.
Given the people in the ISS looking out the window right now see a spherical earth. An ISS that can be clearly seen from the ground.
Given that there are thousand of images that all show the earth is  spherical taken from space.
Given that there are several live feeds that all show a spherical earth
Given that many many countries all have space programs and have launched their own space missions.

The list is huge all the things you maintain are fake!

I could go on.

The thing is you can keep your silly diagrams and address the real problem which is you believe in a monumental conspiracy that makes zero sense and has zero evidence.

You can explain none of the above other than to say its all fake and part of the elaborate conspiracy that underpins your belief that has zero evidence.

Thats the reality and one that you would prefer to ignore in favour of waffling on about silly diagrams that make no sense.

@jb The sun is not as close as in your drawing. You are clearly frauding. This is what we know as "manipulating the science". I'm not going to bother with that anymore since you answered by dividing my post.

There are probes currently around the sun. We know exactly how far the sun is away.

You have no method by which you could calculate an accurate distance that would be different from the actual known value.

I doubt you would have the fist idea about how to calculate the distance to the sun.




Again you would just say this is fake because its just one of the many millions of other things that need to be fake so you can believe in your silly notion.

I've told you what you need to do if you want me to not split up your posts. And you refuse.

By the way, did you get a covid shot? And how many. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the earth being flat, but it actually is. Thanks in advance.

@jb The sun is not as close as in your drawing. You are clearly frauding. This is what we know as "manipulating the science".

Yes, your post is what we know as "manipulating the science".
The distance to the sun doesn't matter.
The principle is there.
If you have a smooth surface, regardless of if it is flat or round, you get a small reflection.

To get a streak like observed in the photo, you need a rough surface.

I'm not going to bother with that anymore since you answered by dividing my post.

You weren't going to answer anyway.
That is why I'm not going to bother appeasing you by not splitting your posts.
But even without you answering, I'm still going to call you out on your BS.

But even without you answering, I'm still going to call you out on your BS.

You did not answer the question.

Quote from: JackBlack on October 28, 2022, 03:01:38 AM

I've told you what you need to do if you want me to not split up your posts. And you refuse.

By the way, did you get a covid shot? And how many. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the earth being flat, but it actually is. Thanks in advance.

If you don't respond to everything I ask, I won't be interested in your split posts.

Thanks for your cooperation.

If you don't respond to everything I ask, I won't be interested in your split posts.

Typical flat earther.  The opening statement/sentiment is proven wrong / intellectually dishonest / false.  Making the rest of the post void/useless. 

Then complains about “you don't respond to everything I ask”.   All the while ignoring more factual points, and trying to move goalposts.  And ignores questions directed at them. 

Like.  Yes a curved ocean is going to make a reflection of the sun.  But the real go / no go test is why ships at sea are physically blocked from view bottom up? 



VS



Or just whine about something allowed on the site like, “I'm not going to bother with that anymore since you answered by dividing my post.”

Which is a pretty standard practice from site to site.  Rebuttal by Rebuttal. 


So.  By all means.   Explain how your posts should be debated point by point? 

Note.  After thought.  You want “you don't respond to everything I ask,”

How can anyone in a clear manner answer everything you ask if you, “I'm not going to bother with that anymore since you answered by dividing my post.”

I can confirm this for you.
I have solid proof that the earth is flat.

Let me know if you want to know anything!

In order for it to be proof, it must explain:
The size of the sun
The size of the moon
The distance from the earth to the sun
The distance from the earth to the moon
How the earth is 1/2 in light (day) and half in dark (night)
What causes the seasons

The spherical earth model explains all these and proves them with mathematics (among other things).

Hi, im new to this website. I was wondering if the earth is truly flat. My uncle used to always tell me that the moon landing was fake and how he shined a laser on the moon and it didn't reflect. Growing up I always had thoughts about space and the moon, now that im grown and more mature I have realised the truth. I want more proof about it because my wife thinks im going insane and I need to prove her wrong before bad things happen.

Thanks, Lucas Miller

it takes incredible precision to get a laser to reflect on the moon, this is not something that a pleb like your uncle can do or even understand

I have posted an experiment for plebs to disprove flat earth model

if you are interested in the theoretical aspect of it, stars and planets are spherical for the same reason why bubbles in water are spherical, it is related to the maximum entropy of a system; for any given volume the spherical shape is the shape that has the absolute lowest surface possible, it minimizes the area of contact between two fields that pressure one onto another, like air vs water, earth has internal pressure due to extreme heat (lava), and external pressure due to spacetime bending (gravity), the competition between internal and external pressure has led to the spherical shape due to the second principle of thermodynamics

It’s totally bizarre the way that people deal with the very odd statements from believers of the flat earth.

The thing that’s never debated and always totally ignored when raised is the undeniable fact that the whole entirety of flat earth belief and all their arguments rests fair and square on the existence of a giant transcontinental global conspiracy that involves many millions of people and thousands of organisations. It also encompasses the entirety of the global  academic world involving every academic institution on the planet. Such is the scope and reach of this alleged conspiracy!

It’s colossal scale is one of the reasons why flat earth believers prefer to give it a wide berth.

Ironically without it their belief falls flat though they have zero proof of its existence. Though in fairness having  zero proof about anything is par for the course when it comes to flat earth belief.

The conspiracy is the ever present elephant in the flat earth room.

You did not answer the question.

I don't care about your entirely irrelevant question, which is asking about personal medical information.
Stick to the topic.

Care to address the fact that the curvature of the surface (as long as it is smooth), will not magically make the sun streak out?
Instead, it is the texture of the surface.
So your example in no way demonstrates if Earth is flat or round.

However the sun setting (and casting light upwards illuminating clouds from below) shows your FE idea is wrong.

Hi, im new to this website. I was wondering if the earth is truly flat. My uncle used to always tell me that the moon landing was fake and how he shined a laser on the moon and it didn't reflect. Growing up I always had thoughts about space and the moon, now that im grown and more mature I have realised the truth. I want more proof about it because my wife thinks im going insane and I need to prove her wrong before bad things happen.

Thanks, Lucas Miller

It is not. There are many reasons that lead me to my reasoning as well. I will elaborate if asked, just give me a subject within the bounds of the different hypothesizes, and I will answer it to the best of my ability. I am leaving as much information as given by the first response in this, which was just saying that is was flat, without any reasoning behind it.

The earth is definitely flat, as a child i was fooled into thinking that the earth was a 'sphere'. The whole earth sphere thing is a LIE, gravity doesn't exist, the sun and moon go up and down. My children will not be lied to like I was.

Ah the smell of napalm in the morning! It’s almost as pungent as the reek from your ignorance.

This is what happens when ‘free thinkers’ feel they have the right to decide what the truth is irrespective of any facts or the ability or knowledge to do so.

Step no 1 call the side you dont like liars then decide among yourself to decide on the truth you would like  and to hell with science and the facts. The truth is what you want it to be.

Go Susan!

I think that we just haven't realized the truth about our planet yet. With visual observations from the ground, we can see a flat shape. And from space, we see a flat plane, facing towards the spacecraft. The visual observations already disprove a globe earth, but lets move on.

Views from the ISS and other spacecraft always show a "disk".  Since these views are seen from any place around the earth, the earth must be a sphere.  Hang a disk in your living room with the edges pointing north/south and the face pointing east and the bottom facing west.  Now walk around the "disk".  You will see an edge, then gradually the face will become full on, and gradually you will see the opposite edge.  Now hang a ball and walk around it.  No matter where you are the "apparent" shape will not change.

The reason that the two hemispheres see different stars is because they are looking different ways. I would like to mention that the coin earth is tilted 23.5 degrees just like a globe earth would expect. This would also account for the seasons that we experience throughout the year.

 

Could you diagram, or link to a diagram, that represents your point of view.  Especially the 23.5 degree tilt. 

Hi, im new to this website. I was wondering if the earth is truly flat. My uncle used to always tell me that the moon landing was fake and how he shined a laser on the moon and it didn't reflect. Growing up I always had thoughts about space and the moon, now that im grown and more mature I have realised the truth. I want more proof about it because my wife thinks im going insane and I need to prove her wrong before bad things happen.

Thanks, Lucas Miller

To answer the original post. This is a dumb idea...here is why:
distance to the moon is 380.000 km
size of the moon is 3400 km (as for comparison: Australia is 3800 km from north to south)
two scenario's:
1. your laser beam does not diverge at all
Meaning the size of the spot your laser makes, is the same at every distance.
how do you expect to see a 1cm wide spot on an object 3400km in size?
even if there was a man on the moon pointing that laser at you, you wouldn't be able to see.

2. your laser does diverge
Meaning, the size of the spot your laser makes increases at greater distances, but the intensity decreases.
in other words, your laser has to be that powerful to illuminate a great surface in order for you to see from that distance.
Do you really expect to illuminate half of australia with one laser?
I guess not.

The thing that’s never debated and always totally ignored when raised is the undeniable fact that the whole entirety of flat earth belief and all their arguments rests fair and square on the existence of a giant transcontinental global conspiracy that involves many millions of people and thousands of organisations. It also encompasses the entirety of the global  academic world involving every academic institution on the planet. Such is the scope and reach of this alleged conspiracy!

It’s colossal scale is one of the reasons why flat earth believers prefer to give it a wide berth.

Ironically without it their belief falls flat though they have zero proof of its existence. Though in fairness having  zero proof about anything is par for the course when it comes to flat earth belief.

The conspiracy is the ever present elephant in the flat earth room.

You've somewhat underestimated the conspiracy.  It is all that you said, but multiplied many fold as it has been maintained for decades and stretches its origin back centuries.

I lost all my braincells while reading this conversation...

If the earth were flat and the sun was just a floating, light-emitting object in the sky that moves over the plane and illuminates a part of the earth, then how would it go under the horizon on sunsets? Just apply a little bit of critical thinking. The earth must be a sphere. You need one hundred different models to explain how everything works and they certainly do not work at the same time. If the earth was a globe, all the things we can see work together at the same time.

I am not interested in further discussion. I'll never touch this forum again since it shows me that dumbness can hurt.

Welcome zZanty. Please reconsider staying since your RE team may need you.

Your claim of round Earth has been proven incorrect after ALL physical evidence has been considered. Don't dwell on just the movement of the sun. There exists a convergence of physical and logical evidence that remains firmly on the side of FET.

If RET believers keep running away and putting their heads in the sand, proper Earth shape can never be determined. You don't have to fear the truth and FET currently holds the record for number of winning experimental outcomes. It remains true to this day that there is no truth in science, so do not feel angst when you realize FET aligns with the machinations of reality.

We do look forward to yours or any REer's realization of proper Earth shape.

Your claim of round Earth has been proven incorrect after ALL physical evidence has been considered.

Since when?
I'm yet to find any evidence which indicates Earth isn't round.

If RET believers keep running away and putting their heads in the sand

The FEers are the ones running.

Hi, im new to this website. I was wondering if the earth is truly flat. My uncle used to always tell me that the moon landing was fake and how he shined a laser on the moon and it didn't reflect. Growing up I always had thoughts about space and the moon, now that im grown and more mature I have realised the truth. I want more proof about it because my wife thinks im going insane and I need to prove her wrong before bad things happen.

Thanks, Lucas Miller

It's unlikely your uncle could precisely target the reflectors allegedly left on the moon with his laser and even if he did I bet it wouldn't have been powerful enough for him to get enough photons back.

Even if the Moon landing were faked which is possible, it  wouldn't necessarily mean the earth is flat you know.