Boats Over The Horizon

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #90 on: November 03, 2022, 07:26:55 PM »
An object at rest remains at rest, and an object in motion remains in motion at constant speed and in a straight line unless acted on by an unbalanced force.

Why Newton was an idiot hack.

Oh lawdy me. The sheer hubris alone is ridiculous.

Go ahead, show us the math you use to calculate objects in freefall, stasis, forces imparted, inertia, etc., and how engineers around the world should use your calculations instead of Newton's.

I will when you prove to me that Sir Isaac Newton was actually responsible for his own physics formulas. You see, Newton wasn't a physicist. He wasn't even a scientist. He was a natural philosopher.

He died 3 centuries ago. Physics, science, medicine was all in it's nascent forms at the time. It's not like he was a natural-path in 2005. A ludicrous statement on your part.

To put this in context, this is the equivalent of a mystery writer actually solving mysteries. Outside of Castle, forget that notion.

Umm, no. That's a stupid analogy. The Wright Brothers were bicycle mechanics.  Look where were are today with powered flight...

Prove to me that Newton's formulas weren't made up by someone else years later.

Again, a bizarre notion out of ignorance. You don't know much about aything yet you rail against things you don't even understand.

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It contains everything that you somehow claim came afterward???

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Prinicipia-title.png

Even so, I don't deal in phony formulas.

You don't stand in any position to call them phony wjhen you know nothing about them or how they are used by everyone who needs the calculations - And they have worked quite well for 3 centuries. And then you come along? My goodness, you arrogance and hubris is unbounded.

That's an excuse. In 246 BC, an actual scientist (Archimedes) created a theory that even animals understand and can apply. It was known as the principle of displacement. What do I mean by even animals? Well, crows. You've heard the expression "bird brain" but apparently birds are smarter than people on this forum.



Real science is practical. The real science of buoyancy predated Newton by centuries, and has been proven over and over again to determine whether an object floats or sinks. Yet gravity is invoked, even though it absurdly behaves differently for liquids in a sink and what scientists say happens in the ocean (though nobody can prove that the ocean curves around the underside of the equator, any more than we can prove that projectiles fly infinitely under perfect circumstances). Even though it somehow doesn't pull people into space from the far greater (it would have to be, in order to pull the Earth and all planets around it) gravity of the sun.



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If you fill a balloon with helium, a substance lighter than the nitrogen, oxygen and other elements which compose the air around it, the balloon will immediately fly upwards.  If you fill a balloon with hydrogen, a substance even lighter than helium, the balloon will fly upwards even faster.  If you blow a dandelion seed out of your hands, a substance just barely heavier than the air, it will float away and slowly but eventually fall to the ground.  And if you drop an anvil from your hands, something much heavier than the air, it will quickly and directly fall straight to the ground.  Now, this has absolutely nothing to do with “gravity.”  The fact that light things rise up and heavy things fall down is simply a natural property of weight.  That is very different from “gravity.”  Gravity is a hypothetical magnetic-like force possessed by large masses which Isaac Newton needed to help explain the heliocentric theory of the universe.

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Most people in England have either read, or heard, that Sir Isaac Newton’s theory of gravitation was originated by his seeing an apple fall to the earth from a tree in his garden.  Persons gifted with ordinary common-sense would say that the apple fell down to the earth because, bulk for bulk, it was heavier than the surrounding air; but if, instead of the apple, a fluffy feather had been detached from the tree, a breeze would probably have sent the feather floating away, and the feather would not reach the earth until the surrounding air became so still that, by virtue of its own density, the feather would fall to the ground.
  -Lady Blount, “Clarion’s Science Versus God’s Truth”

Wilbur Voliva, a famous flat-Earther in the early 20th century, gave lectures all over America against Newtonian astronomy.  He would begin by walking on stage with a book, a balloon, a feather and a brick, and ask the audience: “How is it that a law of gravitation can pull up a toy balloon and cannot put up a brick?  I throw up this book.  Why doesn’t it go on up?  That book went up as far as the force behind it forced it and it fell because it was heavier than the air and that is the only reason.  I cut the string of a toy balloon.  It rises, gets to a certain height and then it begins to settle.  I take this brick and a feather.  I blow the feather.  Yonder it goes.  Finally, it begins to settle and comes down.  This brick goes up as far as the force forces it and then it comes down because it is heavier than the air.  That is all.”

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Any object which is heavier than the air, and which is unsupported, has a natural tendency to fall by its own weight. Newton's famous apple at Woolsthorpe, or any other apple when ripe, loses hold of its stalk, and, being heavier than the air, drops as a matter of necessity, to the ground, totally irrespective of any attraction of the Earth. For, if such attraction existed, why does not the Earth attract the rising smoke which is not nearly so heavy as the apple? The answer is simple - because the smoke is lighter than the air, and, therefore, does not fall but ascends. Gravitation is only a subterfuge, employed by Newton in his attempt to prove that the Earth revolves round the Sun, and the quicker it is relegated to the tomb of all the Capulets, the better will it be for all classes of society.
  -David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (8)


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Now, even if gravity did exist, why would it cause both planets to orbit the Sun and people to stick to the Earth?  Gravity should either cause people to float in suspended circular orbits around the Earth, or it should cause the Earth to be pulled and crash into the Sun!  What sort of magic is “gravity” that it can glue people’s feet to the ball-Earth, while causing Earth itself to revolve ellipses round the Sun?  The two effects are very different yet the same cause is attributed to both.

Exactly what I said.

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Furthermore, this magnetic-like attraction of massive objects gravity is purported to have can be found nowhere in the natural world.  There is no example in nature of a massive sphere or any other shaped-object which by virtue of its mass alone causes smaller objects to stick to or orbit around it!  There is nothing on Earth massive enough that it can be shown to cause even a dust-bunny to stick to or orbit around it!  Try spinning a wet tennis ball or any other spherical object with smaller things placed on its surface and you will find that everything falls or flies off, and nothing sticks to or orbits it.  To claim the existence of a physical “law” without a single practical evidential example is hearsay, not science.

Also, you misused the word hubris.

What I'm doing is skepticism. It would only be hubris if Newton is an actual god. He is only fallible human (after all), and he was around well before IQ tests. So I can indeed call him an idiot, if it can be argued that he is wrong. And yes, he is wrong.

Objects do not stay in motion. Objects do not stay at rest (any force can act upon them, including termites or rust). This is a fact.
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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #91 on: November 03, 2022, 07:55:33 PM »

nobody can prove that the ocean curves around the underside of the equator,


One.  How people in the Southern Hemisphere can look south and see the same stars and constellations.






Two.  The earth’s curvature blocks some northern stars and constellations from view in the Southern Hemisphere.

Three.  Yet we all see the same side / surface of the moon


Four. The fact the earth’s curvature physically blocks ships from view where they cannot be brought back  into view with zoom.






Five.  Southern Hemisphere flights…


https://flatearth.ws/southern-flight



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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #92 on: November 03, 2022, 07:59:13 PM »
(though nobody can prove that the ocean curves around the underside of the equator,

Or.  Yes.  It is proven.  Flat earther’s just have to lie about it. 

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #93 on: November 03, 2022, 08:03:06 PM »
(though nobody can prove that the ocean curves around the underside of the equator,

Or.  Yes.  It is proven.  Flat earther’s just have to lie about it.

Yes, I am definitely the one lying.



Curvature.

Meanwhile, parabola theory successfully (given my limitations) explains how we can stand upright while having a sky that appears curved.

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #94 on: November 03, 2022, 08:44:32 PM »
An object at rest remains at rest, and an object in motion remains in motion at constant speed and in a straight line unless acted on by an unbalanced force.

Why Newton was an idiot hack.

Oh lawdy me. The sheer hubris alone is ridiculous.

Go ahead, show us the math you use to calculate objects in freefall, stasis, forces imparted, inertia, etc., and how engineers around the world should use your calculations instead of Newton's.

I will when you prove to me that Sir Isaac Newton was actually responsible for his own physics formulas. You see, Newton wasn't a physicist. He wasn't even a scientist. He was a natural philosopher.

He died 3 centuries ago. Physics, science, medicine was all in it's nascent forms at the time. It's not like he was a natural-path in 2005. A ludicrous statement on your part.

To put this in context, this is the equivalent of a mystery writer actually solving mysteries. Outside of Castle, forget that notion.

Umm, no. That's a stupid analogy. The Wright Brothers were bicycle mechanics.  Look where were are today with powered flight...

Prove to me that Newton's formulas weren't made up by someone else years later.

Again, a bizarre notion out of ignorance. You don't know much about aything yet you rail against things you don't even understand.

Philosophić Naturalis Principia Mathematica
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It contains everything that you somehow claim came afterward???

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Prinicipia-title.png

Even so, I don't deal in phony formulas.

You don't stand in any position to call them phony wjhen you know nothing about them or how they are used by everyone who needs the calculations - And they have worked quite well for 3 centuries. And then you come along? My goodness, you arrogance and hubris is unbounded.

Real science is practical.

Yes, it can be. And Newton's Laws (as well as Archemidic principles) are used all over the Globe for all sorts of practical purposes. Your laws are not.

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #95 on: November 03, 2022, 09:03:45 PM »
No. They are not.

Gravity is a flimflam.



I can pick up a ball, and swing it on a string around my shoulder, and get exactly this response. Water flies off. The law of motion likewise doesn't behave as described. Water slowly drips off a completely still ball. If objects at rest stay at rest, why is water dripping off a ball? "Gravity"?  You wanna tell me it's because of gravity? I thought the purpose of gravity was to force water to cling to a ball (like the so-called sphere). Now you tell me it's not?

 What else is he lying about?

Archimedes is a real scientist, well before the word existed. Newton is an occultist, among others who use "progress" to gradually undermine society. And we've now seen the fruit of these theories. A bunch of people who after college aren't even able to grasp the idea of questioning what they've been told.

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #96 on: November 03, 2022, 09:15:52 PM »
No. They are not.

Gravity is a flimflam.

How is it that it's successfully used in airplane engineering and design as well as load balancing center of gravity calculations for flight?

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #97 on: November 03, 2022, 09:48:38 PM »
Aould you say the tracks are "level" to each other given they "curve" and give a distinct "horizon edge" based on the pov and interesringly appwar/ disappear "bottom-up" in rhe sense the hill hides partial view?





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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #98 on: November 03, 2022, 10:26:16 PM »
Center of gravity is not gravity. It's weight distribution.

It's a term based on a faulty theory. In actuality, you measure simple mass, and coordinate what goes where based on known and estimated calculations of the weight of engine turbines, wings, passengers, etc.

You really think stewardesses go around helping the cargo crew calculate for 0.986 g whenever they load? No, they likely backload the vehicle (since front-loading might cause the plane to drag when it ascends), and after distributing for weight, shove in as many suitcases as they can. These calculations are for gullible passengers. But anyone with an ounce of common sense understands that is the gravity of the Earth were able to hold up all objects there is during constant spinning, we would be unable to fly a plane of this size.

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Aould you say the tracks are "level" to each other given they "curve" and give a distinct "horizon edge" based on the pov and interesringly appwar/ disappear "bottom-up" in rhe sense the hill hides partial view?

I'm gonna make like Stash, and ask what's your point.

You can actually see the cave the train is to enter around 0:15. The entire front. No bottom-up. You can see where the cave merges with the tracks. At exactly 0:53, you can see at a full screen, the train first entering, not bottom up but in from the side. It looks like the wrong side mind you (heading --> before coming into view), but it is side-in, not bottom-up.

The problem with you guys is that you literally do not understand what you are seeing. One of you tried to flip my parabola, so convinced were you of bottom-disappearing theory. No, sorry, you don't get it.



Do you read the title of this picture?

If you are really close to an object, you may able to see the front, sides, and the back of an object (this is the case from my bed to the shoes). After that, you see the front and parts of the the sides (as my fan, across the room). Further still, only the front. Further still, only the farthest front portion.

You're not seeing the top of the train. You're seeing the tip of it. Specifically, usually the front (or in the case of the boat, the back). As you can clearly see from the parabolic model, the rear of the boat can be seen with the rear tip only being clear (the part below that is retracted, much like where you couldn't see the tower because it sloped.     

You can see the underside of this train, but it's grey. The most forward part is the light, as it extends from the train. Give it up. This theory works.





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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #99 on: November 04, 2022, 12:46:24 AM »
Center of gravity is not gravity. It's weight distribution.

It's a term based on a faulty theory. In actuality, you measure simple mass, and coordinate what goes where based on known and estimated calculations of the weight of engine turbines, wings, passengers, etc.

Incorrect...Hmmm, a faulty theory that everyone uses with tremendous success. I mean all the way down to even the accelerometer in your phone uses gravity, gravity calculations, and measurements. Your phone at rest measures g at 9.81 m/s2 and in free fall (falling toward the center of the Earth at a rate of about 9.81 m/s2) it will measure zero and all points in-between. All in the palm of your hand.

Center of Gravity Calculations





See the 'g'?

You really think stewardesses go around helping the cargo crew calculate for 0.986 g whenever they load?

No, I don't. The pilots do that when they complete and input in the Flight Management System (FMS). Flight Attendants have nothing to do with the Pilot's pre-flight preparation & logging. All cargo is weighed, counted and logged prior to flight, calculated down to within 100 lbs. (Commercial/Cargo airlines)

No, they likely backload the vehicle (since front-loading might cause the plane to drag when it ascends), and after distributing for weight, shove in as many suitcases as they can. These calculations are for gullible passengers. But anyone with an ounce of common sense understands that is the gravity of the Earth were able to hold up all objects there is during constant spinning, we would be unable to fly a plane of this size.

Nice how you just made all that up with zero knowldedge of how cargo is loaded and logged on commercial flights. Well done. 

Also hilarious that you completely avoid the question regarding how gravity and gravity calculations are used by everyone when designing/engineering planes. You're only near response is, "It's phony". Like you know better than Boeing, Airbus, Lockeed, etc. Hilarious. So ignorant and egotistical and off the Dunning-Kruger charts.

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #100 on: November 04, 2022, 01:16:21 AM »

Meanwhile, parabola theory successfully (given my limitations) explains how we can stand upright while having a sky that appears curved.

That debunked lie again..

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Because round earth shills (and their useful idiots) continue to rely on images taken by fallible pictures.

Picture of reality?  Like this?



With no explanation by you why the bases of the power line towers are increasingly physically blocked from view where zooming cannot bring them back into view.  But the tops stay clearly visible. 

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I have been saying exactly this with repeated models of a parabola. You cm see higher and farther on a mountaintop than in a swamp. But you don't seem to realize that this can't happen in a round earth.


With no proof of anyone walking around with the equivalent of a stack exhaust plume above them distorting reality of your delusional flat earth to make it appear a spherical reality.  Trying to create some magical atmosphere hoodo to invoke that the curvature of the earth clearly physically blocks items from view.  Like the curvature of the earth physically blocks the single point light source we call the sun.  The curvature of the earth that blocks the sun’s light to create the shadow we call nightfall.



With no proof of any objects creating and no proof of any objects existing to create your delusional parabola.

Not in the way birds and aircraft fly freely about.

Not in the way the dust floats in the air and settles.

Not in the way the sun streams through clouds.


Not in the way mist can lay in a delusion where your parabola has to hide a shining sun three miles to the horizon at sunset…



You like to change the subject.  And try to make normal line of sight crap seem mythical.

The question has always been.

Why the sun…

And this ship…







Why they become physically blocked from view bottom up.

So your mythical parabola has to also act like a curtain or a blind in addition to a lens.  With you providing now explanation what power causes such a lensing effect. Or how.   

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Boats don't vanish at the bottom (sorry ppl who made that thread), the shrink through compression.

We know this is intellectually dishonest.  Items appear to decrease in size because objects take up less of our field of view as distance grows.


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The further away the object is, the smaller this angle will be. So, the subject appears small, because it takes up less of your field of view.

https://theconversation.com/amp/curious-kids-why-do-things-look-smaller-when-further-away-and-bigger-when-closer-to-me-103064





Your “compression”, or just another name for magic perspective, was tested and found wrong in these two threads…

Horizon did not block duck from view
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90722.0

Do Clouds Show Evidence of Spherical Earth?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90800.0



We know your “compression” argument is false because the curvature of the earth physically blocks the ship provided as an example from view.  No zooming can “uncompress”  what is obstructed because it’s physically blocked from view by the earth’s curvature.

Now.  If your parabola is distorting reality to make the sun disappear in your delusion three miles to the horizon, why is there no correction for your parabola in long distance sighting and shooting?

Say a sniper saw a person out at a distance where the earth’s curvature blocked the view of the person up to their knees.  The majority of the target is still in the line of sight.  Curvature is not really a factor.  Now, in your parabola delusion where it has to distort reality within three miles to the horizon, how would a laser rangefinder be accurate in this example if the sniper could get away with using one? Where your mythical parabola was distorting light / reality to hide a person’s knees?

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #101 on: November 04, 2022, 05:24:03 AM »
And once more you flee from the topic, completely incapable of explaining what magic causes boats to disappear from the bottom up in your fantasy.

I will when you prove to me that Sir Isaac Newton was actually responsible for his own physics formulas.
So you just want to attack a person, rather than the ideas attributed to them?
It really doesn't matter if it was Newton or someone else, the fact remains that you are spouting nonsense.

But this theory is very easy to test as false. Drop an bullet rather than firing it. No wind resistance, no deal with forward momentum (so you can't say it is affected somehow by curvature). No nothing really.
According to Newton, this object, now that it is in motion, should continue to be in motion (either drilling through the ground, or moving across it like a torpedo on water).
You mean it is very easy for you to blatantly misrepresent it yet again.


Drop a bullet and it will fall until it hits the ground, when it hits the ground, the ground exerts a force on it.
This force is primarily a result of the electrostatic interactions between the atoms in the bullet and the atoms in the floor.
But the key point is that you now have a force acting on the bullet which will affect its trajectory.

As such there is no reason to think it should magically drill into the ground or move accross it.
The fact you even suggest it moving accross it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what you are talking about.
Momentum and velocity both have directionality as a fundamental component of it.
If an object starts going down towards the floor, and then it ends up going sideways along the floor, then it has had a change in momentum, and thus would need a force to act on it.

We can easily see a similar force by hitting a ball with a bat.
In order for your BS "test" to work, you would need the ball to phase through the bat.

Try again. With less dishonest BS this time. Or better still, tell us what magic causes the boat to appear to sink and disappear from the bottom up.

You've heard the expression "bird brain" but apparently birds are smarter than people on this forum.
Well they certainly seem smarter than you.

The real science of buoyancy predated Newton by centuries
Really? So who worked out gravity then?
The real science of buoyancy is that gravity creates a pressure gradient in the fluid causing an upwards force on an object immersed in that fluid.
It relies upon gravity (or some other comparable force, like the inertial forces acting on objects in an accelerating reference frame).

even though it absurdly behaves differently for liquids in a sink and what scientists say happens in the ocean
Care to elaborate on that BS claim of yours?

Even though it somehow doesn't pull people into space from the far greater
You have already had your pure BS on orbits exposed.
Why repeat it?

If you fill a balloon with helium, a substance lighter than the nitrogen, oxygen and other elements which compose the air around it
Then the pressure gradient in the atmosphere, which exists due to gravity, will exert an upwards force on the balloon greater than the downwards force due to gravity causing the balloon to rise.

Exactly what I said.
Yes, exactly the BS you said and had refuted.

What I'm doing is skepticism.
No it isn't.

Skepticism would require you to actually take on board what other people say, which would result in you recognising when you are spouting pure BS and stop repeating it.
Yet you happily repeat the same refuted BS as if it hasn't already been refuted.

What you are doing is blatant rejection of reality based upon nothing more than your wilful ignorance and misrepresentation of reality.

he was around well before IQ tests. So I can indeed call him an idiot
How? You have nothing to demonstrate he is an idiot except your own pathetic wilful rejection of reality. So really nothing.

Yes, I am definitely the one lying.
Well you finally got something right.

Meanwhile, parabola theory successfully (given my limitations)
Entirely fails to explain anything.
As clearly demonstrated by your refusal to answer trivial questions which expose it as BS and demonstrate it doesn't explain observations.

I can pick up a ball, and swing it on a string around my shoulder, and get exactly this response.
Try swinging it at the half the speed of the hour hand on a clock.

Yet again you resort to dishonest BS.

Water slowly drips off a completely still ball.
When suspended inside the Roche limit of a much larger ball.
So exactly what you would expect with gravity.

I thought the purpose of gravity was to force water to cling to a ball
Pure BS. That is just your pathetic strawman.
The simplest explanation is that gravity is a force acting between masses which is proportional to the product of the masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them why.

So when you have water near a tiny, pathetic mass, and a massive mass, which do you think it will go to?
Any honest person would recognise that the predicted result of gravity is for the water to go to the much larger and much more massive ball. That would be Earth.

You have had this clearly explained to you before. Yet you repeat the same pathetic dishonest BS. Why?

And we've now seen the fruit of these theories.
You mean people like you, who appear incapable of understanding anything who insist on repeating the same refuted delusional BS?

But anyone with an ounce of common sense understands that is the gravity of the Earth were able to hold up all objects there is during constant spinning, we would be unable to fly a plane of this size.
No, anyone with a brain who chooses to use it would recognise that planes have big wings which generate lift which allows them to fly.

One of you tried to flip my parabola
To show what you actually need.
Your BS indicates objects should disappear from the top down.
But in reality, they are observed to appear to sink and disappear from the bottom up.

Your BS indicates that the lower down an object is, the further away you should be able to see it.
But in reality, the higher an object is, the further away you can see it.

In short, your parabola directly contradicts what is observed in reality.

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #102 on: November 04, 2022, 06:28:16 AM »
Mambo Number 5!




Look, I know you want to retread old ground, but I don't.

Five. There are no flights directly through the South Pole. What I mean by this is that what typically happens is a sort of "skimming" the South Pole, not flying directly through to shortcut Chile to Australia. Even in the map you gave, you talk about some crap with the equator. Nobody cares about that, as we've already established gravity doesn't exist. If gravity did exist, such flights would be impossible, at least for heavy planes (I think there are more light cargo planes in the southern, because of more islands there though). But since we've asserted it doesn't, that question is moot.

Four in the picture above, you can clearly see the tip first theory is right. It's a heavy container ship, and you can see the top and the bottom all the way to the sea. You basically see the bow (I am told that now and prow are different, the bow is the whole front, while prow is frontmost), but despite being a heavy container (with a lot of side to it), you cannot see the sides. Even further back, you only see the prow, am I correct? What you wrongly call the "top".

Three, which proved my theories more than yours. NASA assures us that there is a dark side of the moon, but such a thing wouldn't be necessary on a place designed to be explored by humans. Not for even one hour can we humans do a handstand. Our bodies do not adapt, the blood rush of adjusting to a change in blood polarity kills us. So we can explore a flat moon but not a round one.

Two. This same idea was disproved by your own assertion (or someone else, you all run together) of what happens when you look towards a tall pointed tower at different distances.

One. Maybe they're not looking south, but towards a central point? Or maybe magnetic South shifts the compass? I don't know a large portion about the southern hemisphere, because as I said earlier, I live in the Northern Hemisphere.

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And once more you flee from the topic, completely incapable of explaining what magic causes boats to disappear from the bottom up in your fantasy.

I believe I addressed this earlier? The train post and it's response answers this question. I will admit to being ADD and jumping to different threads enough that they and people run together. Are you Back Black? Data? Stash?
 If it appears that I am fleeing the topic, maybe you're retreating into the safe zone of your brain where nobody challenged you much. Where threatening ideas don't get seen.

But I'm shutting that down. Objects appear front first which is why only at certain distances can you see the top of tall objects. They disappear front (the true back of an object can never be seen, we are only seeing the front of what has passed us by) first. You can see this from the train video, and you can see see this with the big barge boat.


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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #103 on: November 04, 2022, 06:51:58 AM »
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Your BS indicates that the lower down an object is, the further away you should be able to see it.
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I never said that. Don't blame me that you don't understand the model. The inverted model has strange implications for the horizon and is blasphemy.

Direct your eyes to the picture I drew of the plane flying off. At a certain cutoff point, the plane despite being in the air drops away from sight. The model shows a red line that draws all the way down to the edge of the parabola. That is, the plane has "set" and can't be seen. The further toward the edge of the parabola, the more an object shrinks to front and center.

And you can see the bottom of objects in the train picture. It just blends into the background. The front is seen first and the front of most ships angles out.

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« Reply #104 on: November 04, 2022, 08:11:59 AM »

At a certain cutoff point, the plane despite being in the air drops away from sight.


What the hell are you going on about.   

The airplane stays in the line of sight except if it’s physically blocked from view where it cannot be brought back into view with something like a pair of binoculars.

What would block an airplane physically from the line of sight?  Buildings.  And the curvature of a spherical earth.

What causes this ship to physically become increasingly blocked from view?




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Stash

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #105 on: November 04, 2022, 10:28:53 AM »
Nobody cares about that, as we've already established gravity doesn't exist.

No, "we" have not established that.

The world over uses gravity calculations when necessary. And it works great! Why don't you show us what designers and engineers and surveyors should be using instead.

NASA assures us that there is a dark side of the moon...

It ain't just NASA.

I don't know a large portion about the southern hemisphere, because as I said earlier, I live in the Northern Hemisphere.

Speaks volumes about your ignorance.

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #106 on: November 04, 2022, 01:01:43 PM »
Look, I know you want to retread old ground, but I don't.
Sure you do. You spout complete garbage, have it entirely refuted, flee, and then bring up the same refuted BS again later.

There are no flights directly through the South Pole.
There is no reason to think a flight should go directly through the south pole, and it doesn't have to go that far south to show the FE model is garbage.

we've already established gravity doesn't exist
You mean you have baselessly asserted gravity doesn't exist, even though you are yet to demonstrate any problem with it, nor have you been able to provide a viable replacement for it.

Four in the picture above, you can clearly see the tip first theory is right.
Do you mean in the drawing you provided? If so, that doesn't show anything is right.
If you mean the video, then no, we don't.
We see the boat slowly disappearing from the bottom up, not the front back, nor the top down.

Even if you were trying to cling to a ridiculous front back idea, the speed at which it happens is entirely wrong.


NASA assures us that there is a dark side of the moon
No, they don't.
"Dark side of the moon" can refer to one of 2 locations

but such a thing wouldn't be necessary on a place designed
Earth and the moon are natural objects, they aren't designed.

handstand
Your intentional misrepresentation of gravity has no impact on what we can and cant do.

This same idea was disproved by your own assertion (or someone else, you all run together) of what happens when you look towards a tall pointed tower at different distances.
How?
You sure do love spouting baseless BS with absolutely nothing justifying it.

One. Maybe they're not looking south, but towards a central point?
They are looking south towards a central point.

Your ignorance of the southern hemisphere can't save the FE.

I believe I addressed this earlier?
No, you haven't.
There have been a multitude of problems highlighted regarding your parabola idea, which you make no attempt to address.
The topic of this thread is meant to be about boats disappearing from the bottom up as they go over the horizon.
Yet instead you want to talk about gravity and momentum and the south pole.

Objects appear front first which is why only at certain distances can you see the top of tall objects.
The top is not the front.
By your own admission, they appear top first, not front first.
If your nonsense was true, you should see the bottom of the front of the building first.
And then depending on how steep the parabola was, you would have to walk some distance to bring the top of the building into view.
But in reality, we see the exact opposite, the top appears first, and as we get closer more and more of the bottom appears.

The other big difference is how buildings appear to sink.

I never said that. Don't blame me that you don't understand the model. The inverted model has strange implications for the horizon and is blasphemy.
You don't need to say it.
I recognise the logical implications of your model because I actually think about it, and recognise what it would result in, and it isn't what is observed.

The inverted model, while not explaining why objects appear to sink, would explain the bottom being cut off first.
And with this inverted model, the higher you are, the further down the parabola starts.

Direct your eyes to the picture I drew of the plane flying off.
Your picture just shows the ridiculousness of your ideas, and how piecemeal they are.
You claim you can still see the plane even though it is outside your parabola.

And you can see the bottom of objects in the train picture.
The train video is in no way helpful to support your position.
The train is much closer than fairly distant objects in the video when it comes into view.
The glare from the light makes it difficult to see exactly what part of the train comes into view first.

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Re: Boats Over The Horizon
« Reply #107 on: November 05, 2022, 09:13:28 AM »


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Aould you say the tracks are "level" to each other given they "curve" and give a distinct "horizon edge" based on the pov and interesringly appwar/ disappear "bottom-up" in rhe sense the hill hides partial view?

I'm gonna make like Stash, and ask what's your point.

You can actually see the cave the train is to enter around 0:15. The entire front. No bottom-up. You can see where the cave merges with the tracks. At exactly 0:53, you can see at a full screen, the train first entering, not bottom up but in from the side. It looks like the wrong side mind you (heading --> before coming into view), but it is side-in, not bottom-up.

The problem with you guys is that you literally do not understand what you are seeing. One of you tried to flip my parabola, so convinced were you of bottom-disappearing theory. No, sorry, you don't get it.



Do you read the title of this picture?

If you are really close to an object, you may able to see the front, sides, and the back of an object (this is the case from my bed to the shoes). After that, you see the front and parts of the the sides (as my fan, across the room). Further still, only the front. Further still, only the farthest front portion.

You're not seeing the top of the train. You're seeing the tip of it. Specifically, usually the front (or in the case of the boat, the back). As you can clearly see from the parabolic model, the rear of the boat can be seen with the rear tip only being clear (the part below that is retracted, much like where you couldn't see the tower because it sloped.     

You can see the underside of this train, but it's grey. The most forward part is the light, as it extends from the train. Give it up. This theory works.



The point?


The point is circles amd triangles!!

1.
You or turbo keep claiming level means flat in ref to airplanes.
Clearly two lines can remain elvel to each other and curve.
So concentric circles.
The pilot of an airplane doesnt require to continuously dip down for fear of flying into space.

2.
Perspective of horizon.
Note the track curve has a distinct edge ("horizon") whne it curves away from the pov.


Noye how the train appears side frist ( bott-upl)


Yes no?