Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 05, 2023, 10:34:45 PM

Lemme solve this problem for you.

What if you fell down the stairs in your house and broke your leg? Would you not seek medical attention?

I've broken a leg before. I spent like six months in the hospital, and had to be held back. Nowadays if it was a sprain, rather than a break, I wouldn't go to the hospital.

Falling from the stairs is more likely going to be a sprain than a break. Whether a sprain or a break, I'd just go ahead. I'm pretty damned stubborn. I badly hurt my feet wearing one pair of heels, yet nonetheless walked all the way home without asking for assistance. It was about three or four blocks with sharp pain all up my leg. Who cares?

The church was the state.
They begged for a physical king just like the other countries.
So in actuality youd be FOR a pope to rule over you.

Me personally? Are you using the "If you were born in India, you'd be a Hindu" argument? Listen, Jesus was born in Israel but though he celebrated temple festivals, he defied the priests and started his own. Buddha was a Kshatriya prince. Became a pacifist monk wanderer dude.

Yes, location and time do matter some, but there is no way to gauge what someone would do if they were isekai'd to a specific place and time. I wasn't born then because I'd probably not fit. Not all supported this idea, any more than all support any idea. It's usually the mob or the loudest that decide things. Not a unanimous decision.

"They" as in the isrealites.
Ruling party was the prophets priests and judges.
"They" asked for a king and Saul took charge.

If you want to do away with the politcial leaders, you accept the ruling class are the priests and prophets.
The pope takes over as 'overlord'.

"They" as in the isrealites.
Ruling party was the prophets priests and judges.
"They" asked for a king and Saul took charge.

If you want to do away with the politcial leaders, you accept the ruling class are the priests and prophets.
The pope takes over as 'overlord'.

Yes, I knew who you were talking about and when.

Was the decision to have a king a unanimous decision? Probably not. A crowd of people come to God's prophet and tell him this. He doesn't conduct a nationwide survey. He just does it because God says it's fine.

I'm an American. If I were the same person at all, we strongly oppose kings.


The point being, that secular people have elected the likes of Kim Jung. I don't support kings, nor do I support popes.

Quote from: Themightykabool on March 06, 2023, 06:55:21 AM

"They" as in the isrealites.
Ruling party was the prophets priests and judges.
"They" asked for a king and Saul took charge.

If you want to do away with the politcial leaders, you accept the ruling class are the priests and prophets.
The pope takes over as 'overlord'.

Yes, I knew who you were talking about and when.

Was the decision to have a king a unanimous decision? Probably not. A crowd of people come to God's prophet and tell him this. He doesn't conduct a nationwide survey. He just does it because God says it's fine.

I'm an American. If I were the same person at all, we strongly oppose kings.


The point being, that secular people have elected the likes of Kim Jung. I don't support kings, nor do I support popes.

Me personally? Are you using the "If you were born in India, you'd be a Hindu" argument? Listen, Jesus was born in Israel but though he celebrated temple festivals, he defied the priests and started his own. Buddha was a Kshatriya prince. Became a pacifist monk wanderer dude.

Yes, location and time do matter some, but there is no way to gauge what someone would do if they were isekai'd to a specific place and time. I wasn't born then because I'd probably not fit. Not all supported this idea, any more than all support any idea. It's usually the mob or the loudest that decide things. Not a unanimous decision.

NO
it clearly shows you did not know my intent as you responded completely differently about hindis and buddhis.


so you reject centralized religious authority.
further proof you're a sovereign citizen and that no discussion on religion with you is relevant because you change and move with the wind.
we can not use additional resources because you dismiss them as not part of YOUR belief system.
you have no consistent dogma.
to say you're X or Y or Z is a lie - you're a fraud.

I despise fraud (as you know).

Quote from: Stash on March 05, 2023, 10:51:54 PM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 05, 2023, 10:34:45 PM

Lemme solve this problem for you.

What if you fell down the stairs in your house and broke your leg? Would you not seek medical attention?

I've broken a leg before. I spent like six months in the hospital, and had to be held back. Nowadays if it was a sprain, rather than a break, I wouldn't go to the hospital.

Why would someone need to be in hospital for 1/2 a year for a broken leg?

I didn't ask about the likelihood of injury type if one falls down stairs. Talk about dodging the question. Wow.

Here it is yet again, I'll spice it up:
What if you fell down the stairs in your house and broke your leg? It's a compound fracture, bone sticking out. Would you not seek medical attention? Or would you just "go ahead"? Whatever that means.

It was a nasty twist and/or break. I never actually questioned it, but I think it was also that I wasn't emotionally ready yet so I was held back too. It might have also involved alot of physical therapy.

If I have a compound fracture nowadays, I'd probably just tell them to send me home in a wheelchair, and just fuck off. No extraordinary measures. No long term rehabilitation. Either I can recover on my own, or my spirit is broken and I spend the last of my life eating and sleeping.
I wanna live my life like my cat. 🐱 We didn't put her down, neither did we do anything extraordinary medicine-wise (aside from taking out a lump, and that was a nasty scene, as she moved around like a zombie for like a week between the smell of her stitched organs and her fatigue). When she went blind, she just stopped bothering to drink or eat, and that was it.

This body is not to be kept alive at all costs. Neither is it to be put down. When it's time to go, I'm not gonna burden my family with expensive procedures. While I'm here, I want to do as much as I can, learn as much as I can, and not be a welfare mooch. I accept help from family or friends, and from people/things I work for. And from the church. I accept zero help from people in lab coats, or experts, or anything that I have not made voluntary decision. "You have cancer and should get radiation and chemo." No thanks, I'd rather die near home.

to say you're X or Y or Z is a lie - you're a fraud.

So you say. While you think Christianity is some sort of Moralist Therapeutic Deism (MTD). No, I didn't coin this word. Basically, it's the sort of wishy-washy Christianity that is more into social justice, and doesn't differentiate itself from the vapid culture obsessed with success, material items, white guilt, and trend beliefs.

That "Christianity" is a fraud in the same way Catholicism is. It is moralistic in the same way that it forgets that even  the secular world has morals, and confuses people-pleasing with God's Truth. It is moral in the sense that "If I am a good person (whatever that is) I will get into heaven." It is deistic, in that it never clearly defines the person role of God in our lives. And it is therapeutic in that it perceives what we do in terms of works as enough. But the Bible teaches that no amount of effort can earn grace. Grace is given, not earned, and every one of us (if not for the mercy of God) would be doomed. Because of the mercy of God, we are given our lives.

The American people ARE sovereign citizens. You've somehow misread the constitution, and not noticed that are first ten amendments were concerned with rights. Then they passed amendments to try to take rights away.
The Christian people ARE sovereign citizens. The US constitution was based on on rights granted by God. One nation under God, with liberty and justice for all. This is the America that I believe in.

MTD quickly went along with COVID hysteria, and they readily go along with climate change or social justice fads. But this wasn't Jesus. Oh yes, he did behave more like a social justice warrior than you'd think. But he had more in common with Ayn Rand than Karl Marx.

It was a nasty twist and/or break. I never actually questioned it, but I think it was also that I wasn't emotionally ready yet so I was held back too. It might have also involved alot of physical therapy.

Zero people are kept in a hospital for 1/2 a year for a broken leg, no matter how nasty, let alone a twist. Were you in a psych ward? That seems to be the only plausible explanation.

If I have a compound fracture nowadays, I'd probably just tell them to send me home in a wheelchair, and just fuck off.

So you would seek medical attention? Just to get a wheelchair? That makes no sense.

The question is, you're home, somehow compound fracture your leg...What do you do?

A) Seek medical attention to have it set or maybe even pinned, cast, then go home on crutches?
B) Or, do you not seek any medical attention and just stay at home with a cracked tibia poking through your skin?

No.

If I had a compound fracture, I would likely be carted to the hospital against my will. If they tried to suggest some experimental procedure to get my legs back into shape, I'd tell them flatly that I'm paying only to take one of their wheelchairs out of the building, and refusing any and all other treatments, including the ones they did on me. Crutches if not a wheelchair, and calling any family friends to pick me up. And I'm refusing to pay them for treatment they did on their own initiative without my knowledge or consent. I'd sign out immediately, and either recover or not. Not another second in that place.
I wouldn't "visit the hospital to get a wheelchair", I would likely be taken there against my will. Everyone who has had a compound fracture (or any kind of fracture) knows that the first person who finds you typically calls an ambulance. They don't take you upstairs to your own bed to sleep. I'd tell them immediately that I have a moral objection to medical treatment, and sign a waiver refusing as much aid as possible short of what it takes to get out of the building.

I not only was stuck in a hospital for seizures and other conditions for more of my life than I wanted, I also had to clean them as a janitor out of college. No thanks. No matter how sick I am. If a nurse wants to come visit me at home, and I have personally paid for their assistance, that is one thing.
To be stripped naked and put in a robe that has no medical purpose other than humiliation, to be in foreign room far too cold wearing that, and to have people coughing and sneezing with the clinical smell of disinfecting chemicals all around? No, no thank you. That makes me sicker.

 And I'll thank you to actually understand my viewpoint and stop thinking you can accuse me of mooching on the medical industry. I don't own insurance, and I don't accept treatment. I don't have the money anyway, and won't pay for something someone else did because they were "concerned".

 If they were really concerned about helping me, taking me to the hospital and leaving me with a bill was not it.
Either foot the bill as the person who rescued me, or leave me alone to die. Misguided "salvation" where you never take consequences for your actions is no good.

In the same way, if I convince you Jesus is real, and I get you to pay a tithe while I never tithe, I have defrauded you. Likewise, if my actions do more harm than good (you give charitably but then misfortune hits and you're on the streets), I was better off leaving you alone. First do no harm.

No.

If I had a compound fracture, I would likely be carted to the hospital against my will.

Setting a broken leg is not an "experimental procedure". Neither is putting pins in. Neither is getting a cast. Neither is getting crutches.

That aside, I probably wasn't clear in my question. You are alone. There is no one there to "cart you off". You've snapped your tibia, it's broken through the skin and you're sitting there, bleeding out, alone. What do you do? You don't call a friend of family because you know they will cart you off, call an ambulance, or whatever, and that is against your wishes. You know that no one will "find" you to cart you off for a few days and if you don't bleed to death by then, without meds, antibiotics, you'll go septic, your organs shutting down.
Do you just sit there, in immense pain, just bleed out, let sepsis take over and die because you don't want medical attention? You'd prefer death? All because of a broken leg?

Side question: You do get carted off, refuse medical treatment and get a wheel chair. You would still have to pay for that, btw. In any case, after getting your wheelchair you would still opt to be wheeled out of the ER with a bone sticking out of your skin and bleeding out in the process, waiting for infection to set in? Go home and just die all because you didn't want your busted leg to be fixed? You'd prefer death?

I not only was stuck in a hospital for seizures and other conditions for more of my life than I wanted, I also had to clean them as a janitor out of college.

How were you forced to be a hospital janitor?

And I'll thank you to actually understand my viewpoint and stop thinking you can accuse me of mooching on the medical industry. I don't own insurance, and I don't accept treatment. I don't have the money anyway, and won't pay for something someone else did because they were "concerned".

You actually don't know how the system works. Let's say you get in a car accident with multiple life threatening injuries and are unconscious. You wake up in the hospital after life saving surgeries. You have no insurance and claim "indigence". And you really are and have proof of indigence. Hospitals can waive most if not all of your medical bills. (Happened to a friend of mine who had a minor stroke at an abnormally young age, got scans, 3 days in hospital, $38,000 bill, claimed "indigence", proved it, ended up paying $2500).

In this example, you know who pays for your medical care? Me.

And I'm glad to do it because you can't and I can. I don't need a Jesus to know that is the right thing to do. Even though, at the end of the day, you are mooching off people like me who do have and pay for insurance and pay taxes. Where do you think your indigent costs get absorbed, passed off to? That's how the system works.

they guy was put on meds.
i think he admitted to it earlier.
is he chikijamams or newearth?

they guy was put on meds.
i think he admitted to it earlier.
is he chikijamams or newearth?

I get that, PTSD is a bitch. A past traumatic experience tends to make one not want to be near a similar environment again. But when push comes to shove, would you rather die? Perhaps for some.

A pretty solid even mix of chicpajamas & newdearth; Woefully ignorant and obsessed with the absence of humility and logic beset by an unbounded hubris proclaiming an all-knowing intellect and knowledge above all else on the globe.

Not naming names here but it seems we either have a plethora of damaged individuals, marred by a traumatic childhood who used imagination instead of education to cope, and have construed that fantasy as a reality, that all should follow, or we have a single individual with the above affliction, spamming this place in several guises.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 07, 2023, 03:17:42 AM

No.

If I had a compound fracture, I would likely be carted to the hospital against my will.

Setting a broken leg is not an "experimental procedure". Neither is putting pins in. Neither is getting a cast. Neither is getting crutches.

That aside, I probably wasn't clear in my question. You are alone. There is no one there to "cart you off". You've snapped your tibia, it's broken through the skin and you're sitting there, bleeding out, alone. What do you do? You don't call a friend of family because you know they will cart you off, call an ambulance, or whatever, and that is against your wishes. You know that no one will "find" you to cart you off for a few days and if you don't bleed to death by then, without meds, antibiotics, you'll go septic, your organs shutting down.
Do you just sit there, in immense pain, just bleed out, let sepsis take over and die because you don't want medical attention? You'd prefer death? All because of a broken leg?

Side question: You do get carted off, refuse medical treatment and get a wheel chair. You would still have to pay for that, btw. In any case, after getting your wheelchair you would still opt to be wheeled out of the ER with a bone sticking out of your skin and bleeding out in the process, waiting for infection to set in? Go home and just die all because you didn't want your busted leg to be fixed? You'd prefer death?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 07, 2023, 03:17:42 AM

I not only was stuck in a hospital for seizures and other conditions for more of my life than I wanted, I also had to clean them as a janitor out of college.

How were you forced to be a hospital janitor?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 07, 2023, 03:17:42 AM

And I'll thank you to actually understand my viewpoint and stop thinking you can accuse me of mooching on the medical industry. I don't own insurance, and I don't accept treatment. I don't have the money anyway, and won't pay for something someone else did because they were "concerned".

You actually don't know how the system works. Let's say you get in a car accident with multiple life threatening injuries and are unconscious. You wake up in the hospital after life saving surgeries. You have no insurance and claim "indigence". And you really are and have proof of indigence. Hospitals can waive most if not all of your medical bills. (Happened to a friend of mine who had a minor stroke at an abnormally young age, got scans, 3 days in hospital, $38,000 bill, claimed "indigence", proved it, ended up paying $2500).

In this example, you know who pays for your medical care? Me.

And I'm glad to do it because you can't and I can. I don't need a Jesus to know that is the right thing to do. Even though, at the end of the day, you are mooching off people like me who do have and pay for insurance and pay taxes. Where do you think your indigent costs get absorbed, passed off to? That's how the system works.

No, you don't. And you know why? Because I refuse such medical treatment.

The system you are talking about is a welfare state.

The same system that says if I have diabetes, I can't just die with dignity at home, I need to be jabbed with insulin. And monitored. And told to follow a diet and exercise regime.

You think it's somehow alright that people buy a product they don't want (i.e. medicine). And that other people pay for it. I don't want medicine in the first place, I'll pay at a pharmacy myself if there is something I'll take, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let you pay for my medicine.

Suppose we used this same idea for fast food.

 "He's underweight! We need to take him to a Burger King, stat!"
 "But I don't even like burgers! "
 "No excuses, I'm making you eat fifteen Triple Whoppers."
 "I don't even have cash with me."
 "I'm treating. And you cannot refuse. "
 "Look, I'm a healthy body weight. You guys are obese!"

 Nevertheless, that's exactly what happens in the medical industry. Even if he leaves without having a burger, they charge him a "burger examination fee." In medicine even if the process was done against your will, even if you are only examined, you have to pay.

In any other field, if you don't get a good or service, you don't need to pay. Even in a car shop, you have enough autonomy to just leave the car by the road, and strip the plates (yes there is a way to legally abandon a car, you don't have to fix it). Or sell the car.

I want a medical industry where no third party can sign you in (or if they do, cost is on them) or make you buy "burgers" you don't want.

 And no, I don't understand the system. Because I'm not going to buy a product I don't want.But

Not naming names here but it seems we either have a plethora of damaged individuals, marred by a traumatic childhood who used imagination instead of education to cope, and have construed that fantasy as a reality, that all should follow, or we have a single individual with the above affliction, spamming this place in several guises.

I'm surprised that you're so honest about your own condition.

But seriously, it seems as though you imagined education as some sorta panacea, where you wouldn't have to... oh I dunno, maybe at some point test what you had been taught for yourself? And if I find it lacking, I get to be told I am ignorant by people far more ignorant than me living on the teat of the welfare state, and shaming me by telling me "I pay for your medicine." Uhhh, no you don't. Because the only medicine I am even willing to accept is bought at a Walmart or GNC pharmacy by my own hand.

What happens in the medical industry if you aren't eating and are anorexic and at risk of death, they give you 'parenteral nutrition' (fed through a drip)

They dont order some greasy shit from Burger King and shove it down your throat. That could kill you (refeeding syndrome)

You clearly have no idea what the fuck you are talking about bulmadick. If you're going to troll at least become even a little bit briefed on the subject you wish to troll

Also, in your land of the free (America), people are dying from not even being able to afford insulin. Dont worry. If you are diabetic and wish to die at home, the government sure wont give a fuck about you. Do they care that millions cant afford their insulin properly? Hell no


You are so ignorant. Why cant you be a good troll that is even a little believable? Time to start a new profile. Try and do a better job and while you're at it, be a little less boring

You see BB weren’t you a Philippino, a while back, or a Russian and a 14 year old or something, I get mixed up, as for health care, simply move to a country that cares for its sick.

For the record, I am fairly certain I have diabetes and some sort of stomach or intestine issue. I have never taken insulin. I exercise occasionally and drink lots of water. When I die, I die.

Or would be the case, only in all likelihood well-meaning people (starting with my folks) will probably drag me to the hospital where they can try to make me pay for a service I don't want.

What happens in the medical industry if you aren't eating and are anorexic and at risk of death, they give you 'parenteral nutrition' (fed through a drip)

Are you aware that when suffragettes went on hunger strike, they were force-fed? Maybe it was done through tubes, maybe not. But I wasn't talking about an actual anorexic anyway. I was talking about a group of fatsos trying to fatten someone who actually is healthy body weight.



The point being not refeeding but that if other industries behaved that way, there's a problem. You see fashion interventions on What Not To Wear, but in real life, people aren't forced to buy clothing.

So why do you want me to be forced to buy medicine, only to beat me over the head about how you pay for my medicine? No you don't. Cuz I only buy medicine I want.

You see BB weren’t you a Philippino, a while back, or a Russian and a 14 year old or something, I get mixed up, as for health care, simply move to a country that cares for its sick.

You're thinking of someone else.

Not either of those things.

You assume because I sound similar to some pther person you talked to that I must be them.

For the record, I am fairly certain I have diabetes

You can be absolutely certain with a simple 2 second test. Why simply 'assume'. Given your record of assuming other things like dinosaurs being fake or vaccines are culling people I'd say your assumption record is pretty shit. Go to a doctor or a chemist and get the test. A tiny prick and you can see on a blood glucose meter for yourself if you are diabetic

Dont trust those guys? Then go attempt to donate blood. Pretty sure they test your glucose first. Get a free iron test too. In America dont they give you a couple of bucks for the blood too? Sounds like you should get some to pay your mum some board.

Wow
Bulm
The a doctors checkup is a service



If you are mad a middleman fees, vote better for universal healthcare and to remove predatory insurance and admin fees.

Quote from: Stash on March 07, 2023, 02:40:19 PM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 07, 2023, 03:17:42 AM

No.

If I had a compound fracture, I would likely be carted to the hospital against my will.

Setting a broken leg is not an "experimental procedure". Neither is putting pins in. Neither is getting a cast. Neither is getting crutches.

That aside, I probably wasn't clear in my question. You are alone. There is no one there to "cart you off". You've snapped your tibia, it's broken through the skin and you're sitting there, bleeding out, alone. What do you do? You don't call a friend of family because you know they will cart you off, call an ambulance, or whatever, and that is against your wishes. You know that no one will "find" you to cart you off for a few days and if you don't bleed to death by then, without meds, antibiotics, you'll go septic, your organs shutting down.
Do you just sit there, in immense pain, just bleed out, let sepsis take over and die because you don't want medical attention? You'd prefer death? All because of a broken leg?

Side question: You do get carted off, refuse medical treatment and get a wheel chair. You would still have to pay for that, btw. In any case, after getting your wheelchair you would still opt to be wheeled out of the ER with a bone sticking out of your skin and bleeding out in the process, waiting for infection to set in? Go home and just die all because you didn't want your busted leg to be fixed? You'd prefer death?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 07, 2023, 03:17:42 AM

I not only was stuck in a hospital for seizures and other conditions for more of my life than I wanted, I also had to clean them as a janitor out of college.

How were you forced to be a hospital janitor?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on March 07, 2023, 03:17:42 AM

And I'll thank you to actually understand my viewpoint and stop thinking you can accuse me of mooching on the medical industry. I don't own insurance, and I don't accept treatment. I don't have the money anyway, and won't pay for something someone else did because they were "concerned".

You actually don't know how the system works. Let's say you get in a car accident with multiple life threatening injuries and are unconscious. You wake up in the hospital after life saving surgeries. You have no insurance and claim "indigence". And you really are and have proof of indigence. Hospitals can waive most if not all of your medical bills. (Happened to a friend of mine who had a minor stroke at an abnormally young age, got scans, 3 days in hospital, $38,000 bill, claimed "indigence", proved it, ended up paying $2500).

In this example, you know who pays for your medical care? Me.

And I'm glad to do it because you can't and I can. I don't need a Jesus to know that is the right thing to do. Even though, at the end of the day, you are mooching off people like me who do have and pay for insurance and pay taxes. Where do you think your indigent costs get absorbed, passed off to? That's how the system works.

No, you don't. And you know why? Because I refuse such medical treatment.

It's kinda hard to refuse medical attention when you're unconscious. In my you-in-a-car-accident scenario, I will be paying for your medical treatment. So yeah, you would be living off the teat. Not me.

The same system that says if I have diabetes, I can't just die with dignity at home, I need to be jabbed with insulin. And monitored. And told to follow a diet and exercise regime.

In this scenario, as to your claim of being a 40 year old male diabetic trans virgin janitor with no job and no income, you can do what you want. No one can force you to take your insulin or force you to eat right or force you to exercise. You're an adult, at least age-wise. You are an adult, right? Hard to tell.
What will happen is that you will eventually slip into a hypoglycemic insulin shock coma and die. Then you can go hang with the dirty hippie you refer to as the son of god and live happily ever after when you're dead. No prospect of insulin jabs, healthy food, and reasonable exercise, and you can freely dress as a woman for Jesus. It's a win-win for you. 

Usa health system turns away many people.



But ill give you they dont die with dignity.

Usa health system turns away many people.

But ill give you they dont die with dignity.

Yes and no. Non-emergencies, yes. Emergencies, no...

Public and private hospitals alike are prohibited by law from denying a patient care in an emergency. The Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act (EMTLA) passed by Congress in 1986 explicitly forbids the denial of care to indigent or uninsured patients based on a lack of ability to pay.

Correct
Nonemergencies where you can health system, notnecessarily hospitals, will not give you drugs or check ups or whstwver and you canstay home and die.


Sorry maaam
Your fetus is dead but we cant take it out of you until you start dying.
Please come back when youre in sepsis and we ll amputate, hystericitize or pronounce you dead.

Correct
Nonemergencies where you can health system, notnecessarily hospitals, will not give you drugs or check ups or whstwver and you canstay home and die.


Sorry maaam
Your fetus is dead but we cant take it out of you until you start dying.
Please come back when youre in sepsis and we ll amputate, hystericitize or pronounce you dead.

US healthcare system in a nutshell.

Actually, you managed to completely misunderstand somehow.

It started like this.

I have a treatment for your illness. Does it actually cure it? No. But it creates relief from the symptoms. also there are side-effects. Those who are on it are addicted, because they don't want to be in pain. Eventually they take it so often they don't even remember the ain but then if they stop, it comes back with a vengeance.

So, they wind up taking a cocktail, for side effects and side effects of side effects. That's one patient. Ever wonder why medicine is so expensive? It's not because American medical people are "mean" or "greedy". It's that the medicine that is single treatment is rare (priced out of reach for most people), devices are expensive, and the market on drugs is oversaturated. When five people want a drug, and it cures them once and for all, they can recommend ten people the drug and the doctor.  Prices are under control. Now if a drug only treats not cures, and they have to have a 30 capsule bottle three times a day, they come back in three days. They and 2500 other patients with that disease that are treated not cured. Price begins to go way up on that drug.
Suddenly, people need insurance because their diabetes is regularly treated not cured. But everyone has insurance, its value doesn't cover increasing costs, so insurance also follows supply and demand. Pretty soon, you have tiered insurance, and prices are out of control. When you treat rather than curing, it screws the economy.

Jesus didn't like this model. Neither do I. One and done. If you're not curing but treating, medicine is done wrong. If you applied medical models to car repair, this would be like constantly ratcheting a slipping belt, instead of getting a new belt or fixing what causes it to slip in the first place. Car mechanics fix the actual problem, and run by word of mouth. Yet there is never a shortage in cars that need curing. A mechanic that only treats cars will find most of his customers go elsewhere.

You just described a "mean and gredy" system.


Amazing!

Actually, you managed to completely misunderstand somehow.

It started like this.

I have a treatment for your illness. Does it actually cure it? No. But it creates relief from the symptoms. also there are side-effects. Those who are on it are addicted, because they don't want to be in pain. Eventually they take it so often they don't even remember the ain but then if they stop, it comes back with a vengeance.

So, they wind up taking a cocktail, for side effects and side effects of side effects. That's one patient. Ever wonder why medicine is so expensive? It's not because American medical people are "mean" or "greedy". It's that the medicine that is single treatment is rare (priced out of reach for most people), devices are expensive, and the market on drugs is oversaturated. When five people want a drug, and it cures them once and for all, they can recommend ten people the drug and the doctor.  Prices are under control. Now if a drug only treats not cures, and they have to have a 30 capsule bottle three times a day, they come back in three days. They and 2500 other patients with that disease that are treated not cured. Price begins to go way up on that drug.
Suddenly, people need insurance because their diabetes is regularly treated not cured. But everyone has insurance, its value doesn't cover increasing costs, so insurance also follows supply and demand. Pretty soon, you have tiered insurance, and prices are out of control. When you treat rather than curing, it screws the economy.

Jesus didn't like this model. Neither do I. One and done. If you're not curing but treating, medicine is done wrong. If you applied medical models to car repair, this would be like constantly ratcheting a slipping belt, instead of getting a new belt or fixing what causes it to slip in the first place. Car mechanics fix the actual problem, and run by word of mouth. Yet there is never a shortage in cars that need curing. A mechanic that only treats cars will find most of his customers go elsewhere.

Well for many ailments there simply is no cure short of changing your DNA / genes.

My wife for example has hypercholesterolemia. Her total cholesterol level was over 10mmol/L (386.7mg/dL). There simply isn't a 'one and done' cure to get her level to what is 'normal' or low risk. This level being her 'normal' is embedded into her DNA (and no, a 'good diet' is not a cure). After taking the statin, her level literally dropped by half, back to the normal range. If I were in her shoes, I'd hate the fact I have to take it but on the balance of what is worse, NOT taking the statin presents a much greater risk than taking it

Same with diabetes. If your pancreas is fucked for whatever reason, there is no available cure. You need insulin and your body has no way to create it, so obviously you have to get it somehow

I worked in lab that was looking for permanent solutions to diabetes so you look a little stupid when you claim otherwise. Lets face it, diseases like this afflict millions of people. People will always continue to get cancer and other diseases through the course of simply living so even if it were a one and done cure there is no shortage of customers and the customers will keep on coming as people are born and get afflicted with disease

The concept of epigenetics is such that this is not a given. Our choices can very much alter these "set in stone" codes.

We were told for years that being gay was in our genes. Oh really.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/there-is-no-gay-gene-there-is-no-straight-gene-sexuality-is-just-complex-study-confirms

Genetic heritability — all of the information stored in our genes and passed between generations — can only explain 8 to 25 percent of why people have same-sex relations, based on the study’s results.

Then the trans community told us that no problem, boys can become girls.

And voila, some of them, you wouldn't be able to say that they ever had any male genes.

And you're gonna tell me that these treatments can magically cure these diseases. Maybe they can, maybe they cannot.
Maybe lifestyle plays for more of a role than you think, and you're just making excuses.

I was perfectly fine for nearly 30 year of my life (Type 2 Diabetes), then I began to slow down after alot of sedentary activity and poor diet. If I legit got off my ass and went on long hikes and such, if I quit eating as much ramen and corn chips, my body would again begin to normalize. That I couldn't be bothered to do this in no way proves Type 2 Diabetes is genetic (which unlike Type 1 was never claimed to be otherwise).

Hypercholesterolemia (high cholesterol) is genetic? If it's genetic and there is nothing that can be done, then why is medicine able to help? If medicine is able to help the disease isn't in fact in your genes, you were just born with it.

You aren't able to change your hair color. You aren't able to change your eye color. You aren't able to change your skin color. You aren't (really) able to change your sex, not without surgery.  These things are genetic.

Your cholesterol?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/cholesterol/art-20045192
Dude, you can cure this simply by eating different foods! Genetic? Not hardly!

Yes, I know. You couldn't be bothered either.

That's fine.

What isn't as fine is making excuses.

Honesty, not excuses, is what the Lord wants. If you are just not that into fixing a certain problem, God will not hound you about it. We are on this Earth, and we get to make good and bad choices.

But if you give lame excuses, then you need to know the truth. There is nothing fixed about hyperglycemia (Type 2).
 There is nothing fixed about hypercholesterolemia. They aren't genetic.

For someone who knows precisely jack shit about every subject you sure waffle on a lot

If you're not curing but treating, medicine is done wrong.

This is literally the most misguided, ignorant statement ever. You do realize that we don't have a "cure" for everything, right?

We don't have a "cure" for diabetes type I or II, but we do have "treatments" so that you don't go blind, don't have to chop of limbs, don't go into insulin shock and die. If we didn't offer to treat then the patient they would just suffer and eventually die.

You're saying it's wrong to relieve suffering?

If you had an 8 year old kid who was just diagnosed with Type I Diabetes, the Docs send you home with a 6 month supply of insulin, you would just not treat your kid and let them suffer and die?