Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #660 on: February 05, 2023, 07:29:59 AM »


Racism has more positive than negatives.

We are tribal by nature and that includes racial factors.

We cannot and should not ignore our instincts for fellowship.

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Wow.  That’s quite the statement.

Apart from the obvious of how shitty it is to be on the receiving end of racism, if you need an example of how those tribal instincts can completely screw you over, take a look at the mess the UK has gotten itself into.

Keep the topic general and we might get better results.

Like most, when you see the word racism, you automatically think of the negatives. This is normal.

The same happens with the word discrimination. It is defined as a choice of positive or negative but most only use it negatively.

Without our initial tribal instincts, that create or serve our fellowship desires, we would not have tribes. We would be extinct.

Compare that extinction causing event, if we did not discriminate, and note how we would both demand we be racist for our own race.

All we are are tribes and should discriminate both negatively against others and positively towards others on our side.

Are you as racist as I?

What do you do at a national game?

Cheer for your team, or for the other?

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« Reply #661 on: February 05, 2023, 08:45:46 AM »

Keep the topic general and we might get better results.

Like most, when you see the word racism, you automatically think of the negatives. This is normal.

The same happens with the word discrimination. It is defined as a choice of positive or negative but most only use it negatively.

Without our initial tribal instincts, that create or serve our fellowship desires, we would not have tribes. We would be extinct.

Compare that extinction causing event, if we did not discriminate, and note how we would both demand we be racist for our own race.

All we are are tribes and should discriminate both negatively against others and positively towards others on our side.

Are you as racist as I?

What do you do at a national game?

Cheer for your team, or for the other?

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Think you might need to justify your claim that we would be extinct with racism, just a tad.

Good natured sports rivalry is not racism.  It only becomes a problem when there’s hate involved, and fuck that.  I’ve watched England v Germany matches with a bunch of Germans with us supporting our respective teams, got a bit drunk and had a great time whatever the outcome.  It’s actually more fun when you’re not all rooting for the same side as long as no one gets pissy about it.

Also went to a live England v Italy rugby match with an Italian friend, at the Italian supporters end of the stadium.  Although admittedly, I was a little less vocal about which team I was going for, just in case someone had an issue with it.
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #662 on: February 05, 2023, 09:34:57 AM »

Bulma arguemnent:

White male hate crime / total hate crime = 90%.

Media says 90% of the white male population are hate criminals.

This is untrue.


Wow you expertly defeated that strawman with no mecry
Welldone.

And no, I don't recall "changing the subject."

This is what I mean by 90%. 

Including only Anti-Trump and Other next to it, the pie chart really looks like this:



Basically your graph is totally bogus even by graph standards.
If you're a Trump voter:
  • You are automatically branded as a white supremacist (unless you happen to be a black or female Trump voter)
  • Anti-woman
  • Anti-black
  • Anti-LGBT
  • Anti-Immigrant
  • Anti-Muslim
  • Anti-Semitic





Wow
Doubles down and does it again



Also
If trump runs on a platform of xyz.
And you support trump.
Then you support xyz.

You may not support x
You may not support y.
You may not support z.
But in general
You support him.
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #663 on: February 05, 2023, 10:05:59 AM »

Keep the topic general and we might get better results.

Like most, when you see the word racism, you automatically think of the negatives. This is normal.

The same happens with the word discrimination. It is defined as a choice of positive or negative but most only use it negatively.

Without our initial tribal instincts, that create or serve our fellowship desires, we would not have tribes. We would be extinct.

Compare that extinction causing event, if we did not discriminate, and note how we would both demand we be racist for our own race.

All we are are tribes and should discriminate both negatively against others and positively towards others on our side.

Are you as racist as I?

What do you do at a national game?

Cheer for your team, or for the other?

Regards
DL

Think you might need to justify your claim that we would be extinct with racism, just a tad.

Good natured sports rivalry is not racism.  It only becomes a problem when there’s hate involved, and fuck that.  I’ve watched England v Germany matches with a bunch of Germans with us supporting our respective teams, got a bit drunk and had a great time whatever the outcome.  It’s actually more fun when you’re not all rooting for the same side as long as no one gets pissy about it.

Also went to a live England v Italy rugby match with an Italian friend, at the Italian supporters end of the stadium.  Although admittedly, I was a little less vocal about which team I was going for, just in case someone had an issue with it.

I hear you and see the hooligans in the same league as inquisitions and jihads.

Can't win by the rules or prove you are correct so get angry and violent.

I did not quite state it the way you did " Think you might need to justify your claim that we would be extinct with racism,"  --- but racism has a variety of components and we tend to discriminate positively to those we share and negatively, or what might be seen as negatively, by the other side.
 
Test your own thinking.

Most cities are formed of quarters. This happens mostly naturally. French quarter, German, English, whatever.

If you are moving to a new city, will you head for a quarter of you race or in the quarter of some other?

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #664 on: February 05, 2023, 10:49:43 AM »

Bulma arguemnent:

White male hate crime / total hate crime = 90%.

Media says 90% of the white male population are hate criminals.

This is untrue.


Wow you expertly defeated that strawman with no mecry
Welldone.

And no, I don't recall "changing the subject."

This is what I mean by 90%. 

Including only Anti-Trump and Other next to it, the pie chart really looks like this:



Basically your graph is totally bogus even by graph standards.
If you're a Trump voter:
  • You are automatically branded as a white supremacist (unless you happen to be a black or female Trump voter)
  • Anti-woman
  • Anti-black
  • Anti-LGBT
  • Anti-Immigrant
  • Anti-Muslim
  • Anti-Semitic





Wow
Doubles down and does it again



Also
If trump runs on a platform of xyz.
And you support trump.
Then you support xyz.

You may not support x
You may not support y.
You may not support z.
But in general
You support him.

Fiat (i.e. "because I said so") doesn't make it so.

Trump didn't run on the platform of racism. Nor sexism. Nor ending LGBT rights.

He ran on the platform of ending government corruption ("draining the swamp").
He ran on the platform of restoring the economy ("Make America Great Again").
He ran on the platform of securing borders ("Build the Wall").

The establishment (the exact swamp creatures he was trying to get rid of) painted him as being racist, sexist, and anti-LGBT.  But actually, he upheld many LGBT rights, particularly the right to equal marriage, only taking issue at abortion. As an LGBT person myself, I found I had alot more sympathy toward him than Hillary, who spent the majority of the "peaceful transition of power" trying to lead LGBT to marches against him. They painted him as only supported by whites and men. Oh really?






So all these women and blacks are in my head?



Latinos.



LGBT are a bit less, but this is largely because many of them fell for the fear that Trump didn't support them.



But this isn't the first time the rulers in this world attempted this game.

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10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

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8For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon!’ 19The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is vindicated by her actions.”

No matter what Jesus was or did, these same establishment swamp creatures were offended by him, and it didn't matter whether he was like John or more easy going, they found a way to condemn him. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Suppose Jesus decided to be president? I'm pretty sure that I know how this would turn out. He would earn the support of the unloved, the outcast, the neglected, and the poor of any group. Grace first, then justice (unlike modern social justice warriors). What would happen?

Well... The right elite (Joel Osteen's big givers) would decide he doesn't fit the conservative traditions. Likewise, the Pharisaic moral hypocrites in alot of churches would find his ideas objectionable.
The leftists wouldn't like him either, because he actually solved the problems of the poor and rejected. The woke group doesn't actually want solutions, they want a dependent voter base. If someone came and helped them out of debt, got them off of welfare, and made them productive and happy, they are no longer LGBT/women/blacks looking for handouts, they are independent people. Suppose Jesus in turn also performed mass healings during every political meeting when running for presidency. "He's threatening the medical industry!"

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #665 on: February 05, 2023, 11:17:33 AM »
Well... The right elite (Joel Osteen's big givers) would decide he doesn't fit the conservative traditions. Likewise, the Pharisaic moral hypocrites in alot of churches would find his ideas objectionable.
The leftists wouldn't like him either, because he actually solved the problems of the poor and rejected. The woke group doesn't actually want solutions, they want a dependent voter base. If someone came and helped them out of debt, got them off of welfare, and made them productive and happy, they are no longer LGBT/women/blacks looking for handouts, they are independent people. Suppose Jesus in turn also performed mass healings during every political meeting when running for presidency. "He's threatening the medical industry!"

You'd have to extrapolate a litter bit farther.

If Jesus showed up and proved to the world he was actually the son of god and all that, there wouldn't be a right and a left and he wouldn't need to run as an American president, he wouldn't have to "run". He would simply be president of the World.

Not to mention, that when he showed up, there's all that Revelations shit that would happen.

Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #666 on: February 05, 2023, 12:10:46 PM »
When Trump sees signs like above that say, ---  Women for Trump, --- is he thinking, of their vote or if they want their pussy's grabbed, ---- because all woman like to be pussy grabbed.

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #667 on: February 05, 2023, 09:41:44 PM »
Well... The right elite (Joel Osteen's big givers) would decide he doesn't fit the conservative traditions. Likewise, the Pharisaic moral hypocrites in alot of churches would find his ideas objectionable.
The leftists wouldn't like him either, because he actually solved the problems of the poor and rejected. The woke group doesn't actually want solutions, they want a dependent voter base. If someone came and helped them out of debt, got them off of welfare, and made them productive and happy, they are no longer LGBT/women/blacks looking for handouts, they are independent people. Suppose Jesus in turn also performed mass healings during every political meeting when running for presidency. "He's threatening the medical industry!"

You'd have to extrapolate a litter bit farther.

If Jesus showed up and proved to the world he was actually the son of god and all that, there wouldn't be a right and a left and he wouldn't need to run as an American president, he wouldn't have to "run". He would simply be president of the World.

Not to mention, that when he showed up, there's all that Revelations shit that would happen.

In reverse order.

That's assuming the Revelations stuff is true. I emphatically dismiss it as a lie by Satan to discredit Christianity.

Revelation was written by a Jew who pretended to be Christian to lead Christianity into a load of false teachings.
Just as the Roman Catholic church was a sun-worshiper (Constantine had always worshiped Apollo) trying to bog down Christianity with nonsense teachings. Relics? Indulgences? Mary being the Queen of Heaven?

Btw, that title didn't come from nowhere...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Heaven_(antiquity)
And these goddesses are actually variant names of the same goddess. Ishtar.

Second, yes, he would need to run for office. Because he'd be opposed, you see.

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“Hear another parable. There was a householder who planted a vineyard, and set a hedge around it, and dug a wine press in it, and built a tower, and let it out to tenants, and went into another country.  When the season of fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the tenants, to get his fruit;  and the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and stoned another.  Again he sent other servants, more than the first; and they did the same to them. 37 Afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’  But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.’  And they took him and cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him..."

He'd also have to compete with false claimants. Btw, did you know that the name Donald (e.g. Donald Trump) means "ruler of the world"? You can decide for yourself whether he is a true or false ruler. As for me, I don't care. Why not? Well...

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But Jesus called them aside and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their superiors exercise authority over them. It shall not be this way among you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave— just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”

Jesus, if he wanted to rule the Earth, could do so simply by helping people out. Most of our leaders are not like this.

Now, since we've run out of topic, have some C.S. Lewis.
"The best proof of Christianity is Christians, the worst proof of Christianity is also Christians."
In other words, if you're focusing on accusing Christians, you've got a good reason against Christianity. Christians can be moralistic and hypocritical. They can also be very flawed, as they are human. Likewise, because they are human, they can exemplify what it means to be human, to show real humanity when the rest of the world focuses on people's pasts or what they haven't done.

Oh yes, and this. Cuz Tolkien is awesome too.
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #668 on: February 05, 2023, 10:04:50 PM »
Well... The right elite (Joel Osteen's big givers) would decide he doesn't fit the conservative traditions. Likewise, the Pharisaic moral hypocrites in alot of churches would find his ideas objectionable.
The leftists wouldn't like him either, because he actually solved the problems of the poor and rejected. The woke group doesn't actually want solutions, they want a dependent voter base. If someone came and helped them out of debt, got them off of welfare, and made them productive and happy, they are no longer LGBT/women/blacks looking for handouts, they are independent people. Suppose Jesus in turn also performed mass healings during every political meeting when running for presidency. "He's threatening the medical industry!"

You'd have to extrapolate a litter bit farther.

If Jesus showed up and proved to the world he was actually the son of god and all that, there wouldn't be a right and a left and he wouldn't need to run as an American president, he wouldn't have to "run". He would simply be president of the World.

Not to mention, that when he showed up, there's all that Revelations shit that would happen.

In reverse order.

That's assuming the Revelations stuff is true. I emphatically dismiss it as a lie by Satan to discredit Christianity.

Why not dismiss the gospels then? Is that the way scripture works? You just kinda pick and choose what you like and toss out the rest?

Revelation was written by a Jew who pretended to be Christian to lead Christianity into a load of false teachings.

Jesus was a Jew.

And what are you basing the notion of false teachings on? Because you don't like it?

Second, yes, he would need to run for office. Because he'd be opposed, you see.

Why would he even pick America? Wouldn't he pick the world? I mean he's Jesus for christ's sake. Water into wine, rising from the dead, all that miracle son of god stuff. He wouldn't have to do a thing except think about it and boom, shit happens to anyone, anywhere, all over the globe. You are wildly underestimating the power of the guy. He's a frickin' god among men. He can make anything and everything happen. And if he somehow gets too busy, he can just ask his sky-daddy to mess with some stuff.

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #669 on: February 06, 2023, 05:55:13 AM »
When you do an interpretive reading of the Bible (talked about this with another thread for Noah), you compare the Bible to itself.

Romans says "Nothing can separate us from the love of God."
 Revelations says we can be separated eternally from the love of God from a lousy manmade mark (if that were really so, every tattoo artist would damn people to Hell).

1 John says "all have sinned, all have fallen short."
 Other passages in the old testament mention that none of us are worthy when compared to God.
Revelation tells us that the worthy will go to a nice pastoral city with twelve kinds of fruit and crystal water, but the unworthy get tossed into a lake of fire.

Galatians says tells us that anyone (speaking or writing) against the Gospel is under a curse.
The Gospel has Jesus condemning judgemental assholes, not sinners. It has Jesus saying though that his ultimate goal is to save the world, not to condemn it. It has him working to do just that, healing sinners, and forgiving sins. This btw, is in contradiction to what the popular sentiment was, that Messiah would come, get rid of Judaism's enemies, and slaughter ppl left and right. Jesus vehemently opposed this teaching, and when the crowd discovered this, they handed him over to Pilate. He forgave them, on the cross, even as they killed him.
Revelation says (in direct contradiction to the Gospel, and in accord with the "Messiah will come to fight our enemies" notion) that Jesus will come to judge the Earth, punish the sinners, and get rid of the leaders/kings in this world (who are still the Romans). 

And that you people who accuse and oppose Christianity are telling me that it's part of canon means it really isn't. After all, you'd be first to say Jesus wasn't as loving and peaceful as we claim but "just as bad as Islam." But you can't make such a claim without your "proof" (Revelation) can you?

Yes, Jesus was culturally Jewish. But like new wine bursting out of old wineskins, Jesus's teachings were something that wasn't contained in Judaism. The letters mentioned a group of "Christians" that emphasized circumcision and adherence to Jewish law. Revelation appears to use this same sort of language, condemning the newer Christians as a "synagogue of Satan."

Christianity was not a rebellion against the law, but it very definitely dispensed with any law that separated us from God and man.
Yet here is this "biblical" book that tells us God will act as a tyrant, and kill 1/3 here, 1/3 there, 1/3 there... wait, whe cannot kill anymore thirds! Oh, I know, we'll revive everyone and have them live together for awhile, and then God will separate the worthy from the unworthy (only none of us are worthy).

I do not pick and choose what I like. The Gospel lets us know that when Jesus is talking about the temple being restored, he is not talking about the seven years of evil in Revelation, where the temple gets rebuilt. He mentions things like signs in the heavens and in the earth. Only,what do we have in Matthew? Signs in heaven and in the earth.
There is an earthquake and the dead are released. There is darkness on the land for hours. The temple curtain is ripped from top to bottom. John makes it even more explicit. It avoids mention of these signs, and says " 'Destroy this temple and in three days I will rebuild it.' But he was talking about his body." We are not to await a third temple. We are supposed to understand that Jesus has come again.

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Why would he even pick America? Wouldn't he pick the world? I mean he's Jesus for christ's sake.

Tyrants visibly show that they govern the world in unity. But God is omnipresent. That is, God would rule one land as a fit and just leader. And another by another name and face. And so on. Jesus ruling the world looks like a peaceful and sovereign rule of the world, by dividing it back into separate and free lands. Not unity but a sword. A divided world where nonetheless these differences are not conflicts.

So, Jesus would need to be elected in all the lands of the world. Back when there was Trumpism, and a push to Brexit (and France and Italy wanted the same thing), there was a sense that matbe the EU might break down, and we'd have an end to UN/NATOral (yeah I did that pun) unification of countries. But this deunification was opposed, and Trump's plan of making countries great again petered out. All of these leaders thar wanted nationalism either went corrupt or they were stopped. This is what I mean by opposition.
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #670 on: February 06, 2023, 01:21:01 PM »
When you do an interpretive reading of the Bible (talked about this with another thread for Noah), you compare the Bible to itself.

Romans says "Nothing can separate us from the love of God."
 Revelations says we can be separated eternally from the love of God from a lousy manmade mark (if that were really so, every tattoo artist would damn people to Hell).

So why not toss out Romans and keep Revelations? Why keep one and not the other?

Is the bible meant to be individually interpreted? Or is it the word of God?

The bible is filled with contradictions, but in Revelations, Christ actually speaks to John. So why isn't that taken into account as truthful. I mean, it's Jesus' words from his mouth.

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Why would he even pick America? Wouldn't he pick the world? I mean he's Jesus for christ's sake.

Tyrants visibly show that they govern the world in unity. But God is omnipresent. That is, God would rule one land as a fit and just leader. And another by another name and face. And so on. Jesus ruling the world looks like a peaceful and sovereign rule of the world, by dividing it back into separate and free lands. Not unity but a sword. A divided world where nonetheless these differences are not conflicts.

So, Jesus would need to be elected in all the lands of the world. Back when there was Trumpism, and a push to Brexit (and France and Italy wanted the same thing), there was a sense that matbe the EU might break down, and we'd have an end to UN/NATOral (yeah I did that pun) unification of countries. But this deunification was opposed, and Trump's plan of making countries great again petered out. All of these leaders thar wanted nationalism either went corrupt or they were stopped. This is what I mean by opposition.

Again, you're underestimating the guy. He is the son of God, right? He shows up, displays himself to be unequivocally a god, and you think he still needs to be "elected" somewhere? All that stuff is out the window if a guy shows up and waves his hand and anything and everything just happens.
Jesus loses to Trump or DeSantis in 2024. Jesus, whilst ruminating in the loo after his defeat, says to himself, "Fuck this, you think the 1/6 hillbilly insurrection was bad, how about I get Dad to drown all you mofos...Election, schmelection..." And so it is done.

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #671 on: February 06, 2023, 01:52:59 PM »
https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/jul/15/donald-trumps-top-10-campaign-promises/


Number 1
Build the wall to keep out the rpaists (no racism there).

2
Ban the muslims.... ok technically a religion.

Ok
So there we go.
Like i said
It wasnt his only platform but they were pretty high up there.



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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #672 on: February 06, 2023, 08:04:40 PM »
You left out the best part of #1 "Build a Wall":

..."and make Mexico pay for it"

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« Reply #673 on: February 06, 2023, 10:31:22 PM »
You think that's silly, right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mexico-agrees-provide-15-billion-help-us-manage-migrants-southern-bord-rcna37889

That's $1.5 not $15. Why decimals and commas are important.

This is despite Trump being out of office. He is laughing nonstop wherever he is (last I heard, he was raided at Mar-a-Lago by G-men).

They are adamant on not calling it a "wall" but nevertheless, Mexico is paying for border security. Woke leftist doublespeak, but it amounts to woke leftists talking all bad about Trump wanting border security and "immigrants have a right to be here" until Texas sends their immigrants to Biden's doorstep, then they suddenly change their tune, and everyone talks about more security.

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Build the wall to keep out the rapists (no racism there).

There wasn't any racism there. When ppl cross illegally, nothing besides criminals can be expected.

There are several problems with illegal immigration:
1. Importation of violent or shiftless immigrants
2. Under-the-table wages, which means legal workers are competing with wage slaves. This results in a market where the official wage is $15/hr but the unofficial wages are probably more like $4/hr (if that). The illegals cannot complain. The legal workers all get to compete against low wages.
3. Human sex trafficking.

Neither Trump nor any of his voters have any problem with legal immigrants. What? You think I boycott Mexican/South American restaurants? Hell no. Nor do we boycott legit workers. But hauling in illegal workers (or just as common, illegal voters) is not cool. You know this is the real reason for it, you know it has nothing to do with racism. You are exploiting people to win a contest or have a sweatshop.
But within a generation of living here, alot of Hispanics flip to conservative. Why? Well, they came from shithole areas exactly like what you are trying to turn the US into, and now that they can read English, they no longer get duped into voting for people who work against their interests.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-us-election-hispanic-latino-voters/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/trump-s-gains-among-latino-voters-shouldn-t-come-surprise-n1246463
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/politics/biden-hispanic-voters-democrats-problem/index.html
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #674 on: February 06, 2023, 10:51:35 PM »
You think that's silly, right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mexico-agrees-provide-15-billion-help-us-manage-migrants-southern-bord-rcna37889

That's $1.5 not $15. Why decimals and commas are important.

"The agreement was discussed Tuesday when Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador met with President Joe Biden at the White House."

Sounds like Biden came through on DJT's 7 year old pledge. Looks like Joe knows how to diplomatically make a deal better than his predecessor.

There wasn't any racism there. When ppl cross illegally, nothing besides criminals can be expected.

Yep, nothing but criminals. How Christian of you. From 2014:

At Least 47,000 Children Have Illegally Crossed the Border Since October

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« Reply #675 on: February 07, 2023, 12:24:21 AM »
Just buy out the rest of Mexico. Or give Mexico its territory back.

But seriously if you end the war on drugs and invest in making Mexico a desirable place to live so that people dont want to leave it in the first place, that will probably be a lot cheaper than some shitty looking wall

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #676 on: February 07, 2023, 05:57:05 AM »
Actually, Biden for months said there was no problem at the border. Kamala the pro-wrestler refused to visit the border. He eventually had to admit there was a problem and do something.
Trump did not fail to build a wall through incompetence. He set to work on a wall, then environmentalists told him that he couldn't build a wall because butterflies traveling to Mexico couldn't make their trip. Yes really. So he planned a fence instead. Then they voted against funding. Repeatedly. He was also on trial for a good portion of his presidency.

Fun fact. Many of the ppl who tell us that walls don't work, and are hateful?




Back on topic.

Once these errant young folk cross the marshes to get to a new land what awaits them?

(Hint: they aren't "heroes" they are opportunists sold on offers of free healthcare and better income)

I'll tell you. The two women will be exploited in wages well under taxes but forced to overreport wages, since doing otherwise will reveal their illegal status to the authorities. That's if they're lucky.

If they're unlucky, they're pretty. They get turned into prostitutes, and trafficked as sex workers.


You talk about hateful and un-Christian behavior, I cannot think of anything less Christian than lying to people, using them to win elections, then turning them into slaves.

You're trying to shame me with rebuke. But I will rebuke you. This is is what illegal immigration really looks like.





Ohh, and btw? Those little children are used as tools to cross. "Look, you don't wanna separate a child from his mom, right?" Only, first of all, there would be a simple solution of sending both back, and second that isn't even their kid! They move these kids back and forth cuz of our child laws.

Oh, and finally.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/17/how-bidens-border-policy-will-increase-child-sex-trafficking-to-us/
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« Reply #677 on: February 07, 2023, 07:15:49 AM »
Wow
Projecti9nist gotta priject



So he creates a strawman math debacle about whitemales and hate crimes.

Then proceeds to sterotyping negatively a group of people....

Amazing!


Racists dont think theyre racist.
They think its just 'truth'.





Also
Citing new york post, owned by fox news.
Fantsstic.
Ill totally believe.

(I dont not bleieve aspects of it)






Oh a beautiful female celevrity whos prone to paporazi and pervs stealing their underwear and trying to murder-suicide them has a gate?
Nice defeat of hypocrisy!
Take m all down!

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« Reply #678 on: February 07, 2023, 07:20:02 AM »
Just buy out the rest of Mexico. Or give Mexico its territory back.

But seriously if you end the war on drugs and invest in making Mexico a desirable place to live so that people dont want to leave it in the first place, that will probably be a lot cheaper than some shitty looking wall

Hey better yet, you wouldn't need a wall at all, if you just told ppl south of us the truth about the American dream.

Hey ppl of Mexico, this is how things really are.

I got out of college, I wasn't the hardest working but I wrote the papers, and worked to memorize lines in drama class. I was hoping it gave me some chance at a job.

I misunderstood the term "some college" (thinking it meant some college as in not a famous college "just some college somewhere" rather than "I took some college then I dropped out" so even though I listed my college, they figured I dropped out), so I routinely flubbed job applications because college teaches things but not common sense or how to fill out forms.But

 Finally, I got jobs only to find there was a hiring boom among immigrants, and no amount of earnestness was doing anything but making me poor and tired from driving around. The jobs I got didn't pay all that much, which I suppose is still better than many people who get to be "interns" surviving on ramen for years while the economy, depleted from helping migrants, tells them after working effectively as a slave that they are just not good enough. These are the native workers of the US. When I applied for a job, after running around alot in the car, the guy rejected me, telling me that American workers are lazy.

After wasting money at college which clearly mostly taught obscure facts of history (the janitor guy I worked under was pretty impressed), I worked as a janitor for a decent amount of hours, but it was erratic, and I just wanted to stop. I wasn't making much, and the hours we so irregular that I was constantly tired. Worked as a garden helper for about 2 hours a day, for maybe 3 times a week. Took on a job loading and delivering vegetables for a farmer to deliver to the city, it was one day loading (about 8 hours), then a tiring (14 hour) day the next day. The guy didn't respect that I had work outside the job, and I wound up straining multiple jobs, because he wanted to add hours  to my week. He was the sort of white knight who gave me about double the load of the gal who rode with us. Then she got a day off, but he wanted to cut into my schedule, a schedule we'd agreed on when I started working. She's a great help to you? Or are you trying to make time with her? So as a result, he cuts the fourteen hour shift from my week, after successfully having sabotaged the Thursday Friday shift. Like many jobs, I didn't leave for a better job, I left it for nothing.

This is what you have to look forward to. Working multiple jobs, because none of them really make ends meet, only you can't work multiple jobs being they compete in hours.

Or Walmart where you get okay hours (compared to 14 hour exhaustion and then screwing with existing hours because the boss doesn't respect you), but the pay is terrible, and they do games with your paycheck, always spacing work days so you get just under decent wages. Oh yeah, and they actually penalize for working overtime. Do after they get you to do some last minute job, you have to go and adjust your shift the next day, because overtime work penalizes you and too many penalties and you are punished.

Assuming you get a good job (the reason for these games is that the mandated minimum wage and benefits aren't what smaller businesses can afford, so they pay you by spacing your income, and using excuses not to pay fulltime), you then have to contend with the government wanting to mandate that you have insurance (when insurance costs a different pay scale for blacks and whites, so even though I am poor and barely making two part-time paychecks a month, you expect me able to afford $400 insurance), or telling you that you have to mask up and be vaccinated to work in alot of companies. At around this time, I was working for little old ladies teaching them to use a computer, and couldn't advertise anymore, because mandates banned me from entering shops to put up flyers or meet ppl in person. The people I was working for, one fell through and the other moved away. I am now in early retirement. At 40. I have no desire to work again, at least until they do away with these standards and hire ppl based on things like availability and ability to do the job.

Mexican workers, this is what you might have to deal with in the US. Under-the-table work, spotty work hours, that is if they even pay you legal wages. Because the truth is taxes are too high to support minimum wage, and the system never accounted for weekly average anyway. And that coupled with medical bureaucracy means you might get here and find no opportunities.

Sure, we don't need a wall, because there is nothing for migrants anymore. But we do need a wall to prevent fentanyl, opioids, and other drug smuggling. We need it to prevent actual criminals from entering and shooting up schools and businesses, and we need one because our facilities (medical, commercial, etc) are overburdened by too many customers, and there are too few opportunities for income.

And typical. You don't even understand that the war on drugs is an American attempt to curb drug importation, and that America is not jurisdictionally able to do anything against drug overlords in Mexico or Guatemala.
 If we ended the drug war, by making a proper wall against drug trade in America, it would still do nothing for Mexico, et al. The same is true if we gave that land back to Mexico. Without the US to trade drugs with, Mexico et al would find that any economy they did get from drugs is now gone. They are basketcases. Countries that make money from us because nearly all of their own money is in the hands of cartels.

1. Either admit Mexico is a terrible place to live, and that the US can do nothing about their smuggling, drug trade, and human trafficking except at the US end. Which liberals object to, because they actually approve of drugs, crime, and slavery.
2. Tell people that Mexico is a wonderful place to live. In which case, the narrative that they need to come and US has to help them is gone.

You can't have it both ways. Either admit that ppl from Mexico are thugs and scoundrels. Or tell us all how wonderful Mexico is, in which case immigration has to stop.
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« Reply #679 on: February 07, 2023, 07:24:00 AM »
Wow
Projecti9nist gotta priject



So he creates a strawman math debacle about whitemales and hate crimes.

Then proceeds to sterotyping negatively a group of people....

Amazing!


Racists dont think theyre racist.
They think its just 'truth'.
I

Yes, you love to hear what you want to hear.

 "I am virtuous, bulmabriefs144 is a a racist."

 NOT

 "Mexico has a problem with slavery and drugging its citizens, and I support slavery and cartels making money while Mexicans starve."

This is you in the mirror. Look at it!

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« Reply #680 on: February 07, 2023, 08:11:23 AM »
Then they voted against funding. Repeatedly.

Who's "they"? You mean Mexico who he promised was going to fund it?

He was also on trial for a good portion of his presidency.

Good portion?

First impeachment of Donald Trump
December 18, 2019 ⁠–⁠ February 5, 2020 (1 month, 2 weeks and 4 days)

Second impeachment of Donald Trump
January 13, 2021 – February 13, 2021 (1 month)

2.5 months out of 48 months as President. You consider that a "good portion"?

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« Reply #681 on: February 07, 2023, 08:31:49 AM »


Never ceases to amaze me that those shafted most by a system designed to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, falls for the rich man’s propaganda that’s it’s not capitalism and them at fault but the other poor bastard impoverished immigrants that the rich allow in (despite saying the opposite) to undercut wages, to keep them all poor and at each other’s throats.

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« Reply #682 on: February 07, 2023, 10:00:49 AM »
I misunderstood the term "some college" (thinking it meant some college as in not a famous college "just some college somewhere" rather than "I took some college then I dropped out" so even though I listed my college, they figured I dropped out), so I routinely flubbed job applications because college teaches things but not common sense or how to fill out forms.

Wait. So you think a college education should teach you that perhaps you should actually write the name of the school you attended when asked rather than "some college"? At 22-ish, you didn't know this on your own? Seriously?

On a job application where it asked for your employment history, did you scrawl in crayon, "Some company"?

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« Reply #683 on: February 07, 2023, 10:36:27 AM »
drug cartels atained super powers because they became monopolies.
war on drugs where american funded weapons eliminated a lot of these little people.
america made the drug super powers.
american gun manufacturers continue to feed the super powers.
$$$$$$$


also elsewhere in the southern A we have big oil sponosring usa military and govt to fking over entire countries if they dare challenge "the war on socialism".


so people are fleeing the cartels and the bankrupted gov't.
or are they chaisng the american dream?
what is the american dream to a refugee vs a middle class white person?
to not be killed?
or to have a house with grass?
i dunno
kind of different when you consider the risk to personal life and your asshole/ vagina.
to some - is it a small price to pay to be raped over and over again vs not be dead?

see the disconnect?
you claim the abuse exists yet then simultaneously claim these people are coming to usa for the american dream.

sure, they can dream, but it CANT be really main motivation considering the risks.

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« Reply #684 on: February 08, 2023, 01:26:36 AM »
I'd like to apologize for being a downer.

I don't believe our governments provide for us. In fact, they take.

But God shows me today that he provides.

Despite having real issues with advertising, someone nonetheless called me today asking if I could help with their computer. Nothing is set in stone about this request, but to be honest, I'm happy anyway even if it falls through. There isn't in fact a good reason why by my own efforts I should get a call, but I got one.
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« Reply #685 on: February 09, 2023, 06:12:45 AM »
Anyway, yesterday I saw this.

https://www.equip.org/articles/the-jewish-talmud-and-its-use-for-christian-apologetics/

Basically, it boils down to alot of Jews relying on the Talmud, or rabbinic teachings instead of the Torah or even the Christian Bible. But it mentions how Moses gave WRITTEN law, and there is no evidence that rabbinic Oral Law (Talmud) was what God wanted.

What this means is that alot of Jews are basically in an anti-Christian cult. "We study the Torah regularly so I should know better than you." That you study something more often doesn't mean you have an unfiltered version of it though.
https://preachersinstitute.com/2015/08/31/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/

For example, I looked at two quite different versions of the 613 laws. The My Jewish Learning version had several laws that were spaced out into separate laws, meaning actual different laws got swallowed up. Here's an example:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-613-mitzvot-commandments
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1To know there is a God
2Not to entertain thoughts of other gods besides Him
3To know that He is one
4To love Him
5To fear Him
6To sanctify His Name
7Not to profane His Name
8Not to destroy objects associated with His Name
9To listen to the prophet speaking in His Name
10Not to test the prophet unduly

Okay first of all, other versions merge these laws into a larger law, meaning they have scrapped other laws to make this as 613 laws.
Second of all, well...

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24Not to inquire into idolatry
25Not to follow the whims of your heart or what your eyes see
26Not to blaspheme
27Not to worship idols in the manner they are worshiped
28Not to worship idols in the four ways we worship God
29Not to make an idol for yourself
30Not to make an idol for others
31Not to make human forms even for decorative purposes
32Not to turn a city to idolatry
33To burn a city that has turned to idol worship
34Not to rebuild it as a city
35Not to derive benefit from it
36Not to missionize an individual to idol worship
37Not to love the missionary
38Not to cease hating the missionary
39Not to save the missionary

Laws about mercy? Not near the top. Way down in the 400 or so of such laws. Meaning preventing idolatry is always going to come before practice of mercy. To say nothing of holding hatred in your heart of the outsider with a different religion.

Now this is an entirely different set of 613 laws
https://biblicalthoughts.org/613LawsOfOldTest.htm

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26 To love all human beings who are of the covenant
27   Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger
28   Not to wrong any one in speech   
29   Not to carry tales   
30   Not to cherish hatred in one's heart   
31   Not to take revenge   
32   Not to bear a grudge   
33   Not to put any Jew to shame   (Lev. 19:17 - doesn't match the law, Christian - not to shame anyone)
34   Not to curse any other Israelite   (Lev. 19:14 - doesn't match the law - No Evil against physically handicapped)
35   Aid the simple-minded so that they do not stumble or sin
36   To rebuke the sinner   
37   Relieve a neighbor of burdens and help to unload his beast
38   To assist in replacing the load upon a neighbor's beast
39   Aid a beast that has fallen down underneath a burden

Suppose you had a friend who was hurting. But then they convert to Christianity. They are in poverty, and you know about it. They will die without help from you.

The MyJewishLearning says to legit let them die. Order of laws matters.

When the other 613 laws mentions idolatry, it says to stand by when an idolater teacher is being executed. This is not even remotely the same as the other, as it means if they are not judged as an idolater, you actually are to help them. It further says you aren't to hold grudges or hatred in your heart.

What this means is that rabbis have meddled with the Bible in order to support their evil actions. "Jesus was an idolater, so we were justified in killing him." Even if that were so, you aren't justified in your hatred of him.

 Moreover, in the years following Jesus's death until the fall of the Temple, a number of strange omens fell on the Jews.

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Renowned Jewish scholar Jacob Neusner cites these same omens from the Jerusalem Talmud: “Forty years before the destruction of the Temple, the western light went out, the crimson thread remained crimson, and the lot for the Lord always came up in the left hand. They would close the gates of the Temple by night and get up in the morning and find them wide open.”

Even if you decide Jesus is not the Messiah, you are not to listen to the rabbis who turned Jesus over to the Romans, as the Oral Law is not valid. And these rabbis doomed millions to die and million more to wander about without a country, which led to their Holocaust. The Jewish leaders led their own people to destruction. They continued to double down, even though it was clear God was pissed.

And they continue to mislead Jews even today. Personally not believing Jesus was the Messiah is your right. Hating Christians and seeing them as the same as idolaters is not the same, though.

This has been a public service announcement (having totally nothing to do with an argument I got in with a friend).
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« Reply #686 on: February 09, 2023, 06:29:24 AM »
I misunderstood the term "some college" (thinking it meant some college as in not a famous college "just some college somewhere" rather than "I took some college then I dropped out" so even though I listed my college, they figured I dropped out), so I routinely flubbed job applications because college teaches things but not common sense or how to fill out forms.

Wait. So you think a college education should teach you that perhaps you should actually write the name of the school you attended when asked rather than "some college"? At 22-ish, you didn't know this on your own? Seriously?

On a job application where it asked for your employment history, did you scrawl in crayon, "Some company"?

Oh no, I wrote the name of the college, and said yes when they asked if I graduated. But it was just some college to me. The point being that this was how I think, and they should have been more clear.

Cuz it's obviously their fault. I can't be a goofball who doesn't understand that "some college" doesn't mean "I didn't go to Ivy League or anything famous" but "I didn't graduate."
Common sense has to be learned, as I've realized when none of you understand basic logic in FE discussions. Having that mentioned as I was about to graduate would be nice.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/30-practical-things-students-need-to-know_b_3376199

Huffpost neglected to mention that most kids in seventh grade don't even have a grasp of cursive, meaning if they ever have to sign a legal form, they have cursive worse than medical doctors.
https://www.edutopia.org/article/what-we-lose-with-decline-cursive-tom-berger
Btw, I remember reading Matched, where they couldn't even write anymore.

Modern education at work. Leaving graduates with no basic common sense or life skills.
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« Reply #687 on: February 09, 2023, 08:31:12 AM »

I think this explains an awful lot, I mean basically it does that by making things less clear initially, but taken as a whole, like if you were stepping slowly backwards with a fixed smile trying not to be rude or anything, the epiphany comes.

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« Reply #688 on: February 09, 2023, 09:53:40 AM »
I misunderstood the term "some college" (thinking it meant some college as in not a famous college "just some college somewhere" rather than "I took some college then I dropped out" so even though I listed my college, they figured I dropped out), so I routinely flubbed job applications because college teaches things but not common sense or how to fill out forms.

Wait. So you think a college education should teach you that perhaps you should actually write the name of the school you attended when asked rather than "some college"? At 22-ish, you didn't know this on your own? Seriously?

On a job application where it asked for your employment history, did you scrawl in crayon, "Some company"?

Oh no, I wrote the name of the college, and said yes when they asked if I graduated. But it was just some college to me. The point being that this was how I think, and they should have been more clear.

I still don't get it. You wrote down the name of the college you went to and told them you graduated. Was it that on the form itself, not in conversation, where it said "College/University attended" you wrote, "some college"? And someone had a problem with that afterward? If so, it's quite clear why they would.

Cuz it's obviously their fault. I can't be a goofball who doesn't understand that "some college" doesn't mean "I didn't go to Ivy League or anything famous" but "I didn't graduate."
Common sense has to be learned, as I've realized when none of you understand basic logic in FE discussions. Having that mentioned as I was about to graduate would be nice.

No, it's not their fault. It's yours. Take some accountability here. Common sense, which you definitely should have had at that age is, when asked in person or an application where and when and did you graduate and with what degree is simply, for the vast majority of adults:

- University of Slovenia
- 2001-2005
- Yes, graduated
- Bachelors of Arts, major, Common Sense

Is it really that hard? Who writes down "some college"? If anything, that's just flippant and shows you can't even follow the most basic of instructions.

And yes, common sense needs to be learned. But by at least Uni, you're expected to be able to fill out a simple job application form, that's not their job to teach you something basic like that. I take it you never even had a job until your 20's. Which is weird too.

Filling out a job application is no time to test if they get your "humor" or try and shine a light on your quirky behavior. That's not formal education's job to teach. That's just your upbringing. And, apparently something went wildly amiss in that.

And people like you are the first to go ballistic if you feel a school is overreaching in what they teach. But when it's convenient you cry that education didn't teach you enough about how not to be an idiot in the real world.

So yeah, in this case, you need to totally take accountability for being a dumbass. They were clear. You were the one who decided to muddle it when you totally didn't have to.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/30-practical-things-students-need-to-know_b_3376199

Huffpost neglected to mention that most kids in seventh grade don't even have a grasp of cursive, meaning if they ever have to sign a legal form, they have cursive worse than medical doctors.
https://www.edutopia.org/article/what-we-lose-with-decline-cursive-tom-berger
Btw, I remember reading Matched, where they couldn't even write anymore.

Modern education at work. Leaving graduates with no basic common sense or life skills.

Cursive is a terrible example. In the US, cursive is not "required", it's up to the States and districts. Why it was made not required by common core is the advent of technology and how we communicate. And you certainly don't have to sign anything with cursive. Legally, one can sign any document in any manner they want. Whether it be cursive, print, or even just an 'X'. The time saved from not teaching something completely unnecessary can be spent of things that are necessary.

And don't get caught up in the lunacy conspiracy that we stopped requiring cursive in schools so kids can't read the Constitution. Because the idiots who assert that somehow don't realize that print versions of it are available to anyone and everyone with about a 2 second google search.

You need to stop blaming others for your inadequacies or failures and learn how accept them, learn from them, and improve.
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« Reply #689 on: February 10, 2023, 05:28:08 AM »
When Trump sees signs like above that say, ---  Women for Trump, --- is he thinking, of their vote or if they want their pussy's grabbed, ---- because all woman like to be pussy grabbed.

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Oh look! Mr Snake, you're reply # 666.

To answer the question, real women do occasionally like their pussy getting grabbed. By men, women, or themselves.

The people who are afraid of that are often too feminist or importantly too ugly to have their pussy grabbed. Like this sad thing.


I don't think anyone will ever grab her by the pussy.
Not even her mother, on accident, when changing her diapers.

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I think this explains an awful lot, I mean basically it does that by making things less clear initially, but taken as a whole, like if you were stepping slowly backwards with a fixed smile trying not to be rude or anything, the epiphany comes.

Good luck Bulma.

This is what is wrong with the world today. They see someone suffering because of a distinct lack of common sense, and instead of you know... helping, they smile and back away. Like, I'm so glad that's happening to you. They're glad someone else had to go through pain, even though this may happen twenty times, before someone finally told them they were thinking about this wrong (because it didn't even occur to them, not because they stupid, but because they think in a strange way; stupidity you can learn a lesson but an aberrant way of thinking, you would never understand how regular ppl see something without being told; so no, the epiphany never comes, and you go through years of pain because nobody had any damned conviction). There's plenty of talk of "empathy" but very little sympathy. You just smile and walk on?!? Seriously?

Had I done it the first time, and the guy reading the application said, "Why did you both check 'some college' and 'graduated' here?" and I said, " It wasn't a famous university, it was just some college," and he said, ":facepalm: No, ummm some college means you took some college and you dropped out. Here, I'll rip that one up, you fill this one" I might have gotten a first job much sooner, and overall not feel like the girl on the movie Post Grad (saw last night).

I don't regret the people I met as a result of having a goofy life. But the point is, the people who don't understand English right go through the same sorts of heartaches. Leaving large portions of the application blank (which suggests work gap or criminal record), demonstrating that that they probably need an interpreter to even do the job, or having a cultural difference that makes certain things not work even with an interpreter. Things like cultural issues with touching pork products, a different work culture, or religious vows.
Imagine a devout Roman Catholic training in nursing not understanding that he had signed up to work in an abortion clinic, thinking it was instead a hospital.

And for the record, cursive is a good example. Learning cursive teaches you to make a distinct mark on the world, have a sense of identity. For example, when I learned it, I always wanted to be unique and legible, so I tended to write large and modeled after how the book wrote it. In other words, my sense of identity was pretty weak for awhile, but I did want to be helpful to people. I think they changed the cursive Q since I was a child. It looked a bit like a 2, now it just looks like an italics Q. A cut in cursive was preceded by a cut in art and music in most schools. Almost like the point is to erase creativity and produce little data entry robots that can only type, and can't even write their own name.
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