Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #150 on: November 16, 2022, 08:25:26 PM »
The problem here is that Satan has such power.

True.

Not over me.
I spoke to him last night and told him Jesus can forgive anyone.

You spoke to satan? Now that would be an interesting conversation.

It was.

I told him that he doesn't offer freedom, that deception isn't truth and he does not offer knowledge but an inversion of Gods perfect truth. I told him to repent and to let go of his pride.

He, obviously can't touch me.

I, honestly pity him.

What was Satan's response?

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« Reply #151 on: November 16, 2022, 08:26:32 PM »
Anger and pride.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #152 on: November 16, 2022, 08:35:00 PM »
What did Satan say?

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #153 on: November 16, 2022, 10:12:22 PM »
This person is not God, but the devil himself.

According to whom?
Bible. Corinthians(2) 4:4

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Who else could this person be but Devil himself?
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #154 on: November 16, 2022, 10:14:57 PM »
Here's one for Wise, did you follow this guy?

Turkish religious sex cult leader Adnan Oktar gets 8,658 years in prison... 
When we comment on this person, his lawyers immediately sue. It's not just him. Even when we say about any of other masons in Turkey that he is a mason, they immediately sue. Moreover, even though being a freemason is not a terrorist activity or an insult, they do it right away, immediately sue.

That's why I don't want to talk about him. I know he has strong lawyers. The rest doesn't interest me.
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« Reply #155 on: November 16, 2022, 10:18:32 PM »
First of all, we need to reveal the following facts. Otherwise, the base of the topics we will talk about here will be empty.

There is a concept of "current God" in the world. This person is not God, but the devil himself. And it is the power that rules the world. Without understanding this, we cannot agree on anything here. 

You are deceived.

Satan deceives us, by claiming to be God in this world.

But read more carefully.

Isaiah 45
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6so that all may know,
from where the sun rises to where it sets,
that there is none but Me;
I am the LORD, and there is no other.

7I form the light and create the darkness;
I bring prosperity and create calamity.
I, the LORD, do all these things.

It is not Satan who is in charge. Not of the Earth, not even of darkness. Satan is a mere fallen angel. A prince of them, yes, but not even remotely on the same level as God.

You hear Satan (or sometimes even evil men) described as "ruler" of this Earth.

It is God alone who brings forth darkness and calamity. He does so in order that we may grow.

Just as a tree needs rain and shade in order to grow and thrive, nothing but spiritual sunlight is not good for us.



Satan has a number of tricks that he employs to humans. You notice I address him by name; it is because like Voldemort, to be afraid of names is to give them power over us. Note, this is not in order from greatest to least.
1. He convinces us that he does not exist (this often called his "greatest trick" but it is far from so)
2. He convinces the leaders that he gives them power (power comes from the will of the people, and from God)
3. He convinces the judgemental that he is God, so that they judge others.
4. The convinces the fearful that he is God, and that he rules everything, so they fear evil and not God.
5. He accuses God, undermining faith in God.
6. He convinces people that evil is all-powerful (in actual fact, evil is very weak)

Let's talk about #6. We are told about the others that Satan is an accuser, and his name literally refers to his status as adversary. So this rules out tricks #1 through #5. But we see the world, and it seems like evil is winning, like the POS leaders are in charge. Indeed, I was watching Once Upon A Time, and indeed, the little kid (who is already pretty jaded says this (full episode below if you wanna buy it):

He says that good can never defeat evil, because "good follows the rules." But later in the episode, Emma wins precisely because she is honest and tells the truth.

And in this song...

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The Prince of Darkness grim,
We tremble not for him;
His rage we can endure,
For lo! His doom is sure.
One little word shall fell him.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-one-little-word-will-fell-satan
What is that word? It isn't Jesus. Even demons say Jesus's name.
The next verse reveals the answer.
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That word above all earthly powers—
 No thanks to them—abideth;
 The Spirit and the gifts are ours
 Through him who with us sideth.
 Let goods and kindred go,
 This mortal life also:
 The body they may kill:
 God's truth abideth still,
 His kingdom is for ever.

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God's truth abideth still,

Truth.

Satan's power is unraveled by truth itself. For the truth shall set you free.

Evil is in not control. If it was, why would it spend such effort trying to intimidate people?
https://philoliasophos.com/why-good-always-wins-and-evil-always-loses/

Think about it for a bit.
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #156 on: November 16, 2022, 10:34:39 PM »
You are deceived.

Satan deceives us, by claiming to be God in this world.
I think you haven't fully explored the concepts of balance and singularity. I think we agree that God created everything in harmony and balance. Evil is part of this balance. It is the presence of Satan that allows her to destroy herself while she is perfecting and to protect herself from changing in one direction. He created it for this. Destroying it hurts itself. Otherwise, there is no point in enduring such a being. Forget about the texts, there is no need for such a thing actually. There is no justice without the balance of good and evil. Good is not absolute good. You now think that Jesus is absolute goodness. Not like that. Jesus is bad for the wicked. Darkness is the opposite of light, it's true. But also light  is the opposite of darkness. So which one should remain? Goodness and light? or evil and darkness? Who decides this? So whether something is good or not. Oh, God gives, God, and the bible. I have no problem with that. But when you accept this, it is necessary to see that Satan, who blinds the unbelievers, is the current God. That is, it would be "wrong attitute to accept parts of the Bible that suit you and reject others."

If you accept the bible, you must accept all of them. You cannot use different verses and different ideas in the Bible to give a different meaning to an idea that a verse makes clear. These behaves are tormenting the bible. It has a soul and it is a whole. When you try to change it or interpret it differently, you are hurting it, and it is hurting because of it.

You cannot see it because you are being deceived. No, he is not cheating on me. If I were like Jesus, I would be deceived. I know my limits. My advice to you is to stay within your limits. It is clear what bible says:

"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." Think again.

Think again in the light of this verse and give me an answer with one word: "Who is the God of this age?". With one word please. If you can't do this, it means you can't beat your ego. It means that there is somebody not allowing you to do this. You cannot be free this way.
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #157 on: November 16, 2022, 10:57:08 PM »
What did Satan say?

It was more of a feeling than words.

However he told me he is more beautiful and intelligent than I am. That I should obey him because of it.

He is, he was the most beautiful and most intelligent of all gods angels. It was his pride which caused his fall.

I will never be as intelligent or as beautiful as him, but he will never be a match for Jesus.
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« Reply #158 on: November 16, 2022, 11:03:58 PM »
Think again in the light of this verse and give me an answer with one word: "Who is the God of this age?". With one word please.

I can answer in one word.

Satan.

Satan is the prince of the earth, the prince of the dirt.

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27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 29And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. 30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 31But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
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« Reply #159 on: November 16, 2022, 11:35:27 PM »
Satan is an angel, as I have said before. He is not God's equal, and it is only through anecdotal sources (mainly paintings and stuff like Paradise Lost) where we get a sense that he is some kind of archrival to God.

That he turned away and rebelled against God.

But what if he didn't?

What if it is his job to play, ahem, "devil's advocate"?

I do not think Jesus is absolute goodness. As a matter of fact, you know what I do think?

Satan and Jesus are the same entity.

You say, "Now hold on a minute!" But hear me out.

When Adam and Eve were in the garden, they ate a certain piece of fruit that gave them the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

After which, they hid in fear of the Lord. The Lord, who before that point, had a very personal relationship with them, who walked in the Garden with them. In fact, placing a tree not only in the center, but unguarded, with the fruit low enough to reach, and furthermore giving Adam two tempters (Eve, and at her end, the snake who indeed was created by God)... yeaaaaah, we're talking about a major setup. So God, they are convinced will punish them (a suspicion they get from accusing themselves after eating the fruit), so he does. And contrary to popular reading from Paradise Lost, it is after this point where first record of Satan appears. Except if you consider Job to be the first book of the Bible.

Advocate/Accuser. Jesus is a lawyer, God is judge. But we've at best separated the lawyer into two people (one attorney and one prosecutor), and at worst we don't believe in a Savior which means we're stuck trying to defend ourselves. But it's time we see this court case for what it is. A sham trial. All three participants are God, and if we want the truth, so are we. We are made in God's image, because we came out of God. We are a special creation (they didn't repeat the creation of man twice as an oversight), designed as God's bride. God creates woman to give us a model of how we are to be, and to show us what his motives for creation are. "It is not good for man to be alone."

Now, you could reject this, but either way we have the same conclusion.
1. Either Satan is an angel, and no match for God himself.
(This is not Zoroastrianism or Taoism, good and evil don't need to be equal)
2. Or Satan is a distorted perception of Jesus that we get because of knowledge of good and evil.

Two different conclusions leading to the same result is called a Morton's Fork. In either case, we should fear God, not evil.

Now, I don't accept all of the Bible. There is plenty that I accept as God's inspired word. And there is some that appears to be written by people influenced by Satan, which I categorically reject. My guideline is that if it seems to be false prophecy, or runs afoul of Galatians 1:8, I toss it aside. Revelations is a biggie. Loads of nonsensical prophecies that haven't come true, to predict a return of Jesus... THAT HAS ALREADY COME TO PASS!
Likewise, I reject the command not to alter any of the Bible. This command assumes we know the canon, something the founders of the Christian movement struggled with, as there were heretical writings such as the Infancy Gospel of Thomas (where Jesus kills a couple of kids). If this is problematic, why not Revelation? Because the Catholic church said so! That's it. The Orthodox church rejected it until later when they were pressured into following this as part of the canon. Martin Luther didn't think much of it either.

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About this Book of the Revelation of John, I leave everyone free to hold his own opinions. I would not have anyone bound to my opinion or judgment. I say what I feel. I miss more than one thing in this book, and it makes me consider it to be neither apostolic nor prophetic.

First and foremost, the apostles do not deal with visions, but prophesy in clear and plain words, as do Peter and Paul, and Christ in the gospel. For it befits the apostolic office to speak clearly of Christ and his deeds, without images and visions. Moreover there is no prophet in the Old Testament, to say nothing of the New, who deals so exclusively with visions and images. For myself, I think it approximates the Fourth Book of Esdras; I can in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it.

Moreover he seems to me to be going much too far when he commends his own book so highly—indeed, more than any of the other sacred books do, though they are much more important—and threatens that if anyone takes away anything from it, God will take away from him, etc. Again, they are supposed to be blessed who keep what is written in this book; and yet no one knows what that is, to say nothing of keeping it. This is just the same as if we did not have the book at all. And there are many far better books available for us to keep.

Many of the fathers also rejected this book a long time ago; although St. Jerome, to be sure, refers to it in exalted terms and says that it is above all praise and that there are as many mysteries in it as words. Still, Jerome cannot prove this at all, and his praise at numerous places is too generous.

Finally, let everyone think of it as his own spirit leads him. My spirit cannot accommodate itself to this book. For me this is reason enough not to think highly of it: Christ is neither taught nor known in it. But to teach Christ, this is the thing which an apostle is bound above all else to do; as Christ says in Acts 1:8, “You shall be my witnesses.” Therefore I stick to the books which present Christ to me clearly and purely.

The Second Coming was when Jesus rose from the dead! He declared "It is finished" right before, and then came back in order to instruct his disciples on how to make the Earth resemble the spiritual kingdom that he had built with his death and resurrection. That's right, every last word of Revelation is based on a complete lie.

God's truth abideth still. No matter what tall tales may be written, John tells us the truth about the Temple being rebuilt. It's not about some far off end time. "But he was speaking about his body," it says. The Second Coming, and the rebuilt Temple are done. If you still need a Temple, it's the Temple Mount, which the Jews are still wailing about even though the Muslims have a Temple (Muhammad being the very model of a war king who drives people from Israel), the Christians have a church near there, and there are several synagogues.

If you need any more proof. There were two passages about the Eastern Gate. One had predicted a victorious arrival from the Messiah (by donkey!) and another predicted that once the Lord had arrived and finished his business, that the gate would be sealed. It was sealed by the Muslims in fear of a Jewish Messiah, opened briefly by Christians, then sealed again by Muslims.

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As mentioned previously, the Eastern gate was ultimately sealed shut in 1541 by the Ottoman Sultan Suleiman. However, prior to this time, the gate was closed in 810 (also by the Muslims), then reopened in 1102 by the Crusaders, and then walled up again by Saladin (the first sultan of Egypt and Syria and the founder of the Ayyubid dynasty) after defeating the Crusaders in 1187 and gaining control of Palestine and the city of Jerusalem.


From Ezekiel 44
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The man brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary, the one facing east, and it was shut. The Lord said to me, ‘This gate is to remain shut. It must not be opened; no one may enter through it. It is to remain shut because the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered through it.

 
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« Reply #160 on: November 16, 2022, 11:38:02 PM »
Think again in the light of this verse and give me an answer with one word: "Who is the God of this age?". With one word please.

I can answer in one word.

Satan.

Satan is the prince of the earth, the prince of the dirt.

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27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 29And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. 30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 31But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

The God of this world is Jesus.

The god (lowercase!) that people see as the prince of this world is Satan.

Do not make this same mistake. God rules this world. Even if we cannot see this because of our delusions.
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« Reply #161 on: November 16, 2022, 11:46:40 PM »
Satan and Jesus are the same entity.

Have you read the New Testament?
It's an honest question.

Think again in the light of this verse and give me an answer with one word: "Who is the God of this age?". With one word please.

I can answer in one word.

Satan.

Satan is the prince of the earth, the prince of the dirt.

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27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 29And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. 30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 31But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

The God of this world is Jesus.

The god (lowercase!) that people see as the prince of this world is Satan.

Do not make this same mistake. God rules this world. Even if we cannot see this because of our delusions.

God has ultimate power and authority but Jesus told us himself about the prince of this world in the verse I quoted.

Prince is an important word here, not King. Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Satan is the prince of the earth.

You only need to look around the world to see who exerts power over it. Satan has no real power or authority beyond inversion. Satan wishes nothing more than for men to believe him to be God. In this regard he is nothing like Jesus who constantly asserted his position and authority to be below God the fathers.
Jesus clearly asserted his position and authority over the holy spirit.

The holy spirit used me to say it to certain posters here.
It's funny, you guys don't even know who is actually in charge, who really gives the orders, but I do.

Can I also ask you two personal questions?
You don't have to answer if you don't want to. I always speak genuinely and ask genuine questions.

Who has authority over you?
Have you been saved?
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #162 on: November 17, 2022, 12:10:39 AM »
The Bible nowhere explicitly describes Satan as an angel. This is a false belief due to your misunderstanding and misdirectioned.
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« Reply #163 on: November 17, 2022, 12:13:20 AM »
The Bible nowhere explicitly describes Satan as an angel. This is a false belief due to your misunderstanding and misdirectioned.

You are technically correct but Jesus explicitly says that Satan fell from heaven.

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“I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but [f]rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”

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The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few; therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest.
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« Reply #164 on: November 17, 2022, 12:13:52 AM »
The Bible nowhere explicitly describes Satan as an angel. This is a false belief due to your misunderstanding and misdirectioned.

You are technically correct but Jesus explicitly says that Satan fell from heaven.


Job 1:6–7 describes Satan appearing before God with the other “sons of God,” very likely a reference to the angels. Matthew 25:41 mentions “the devil and his angels.” Revelation 12:7, describing the end-times war in heaven, says, “Michael [the archangel] and his angels fought against the dragon [Satan] and his angels.” Whether or not Satan is technically an angel is beside the point. Satan is an angelic-type creature with a close connection to the angels, but not an angel.

He has his own angels, like the archangel, or like God. It is debatable where it belongs categorically. We can't say angel.
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« Reply #165 on: November 17, 2022, 12:18:10 AM »
Good point.

I did state that he was above all the other angels and that caused his pride which caused his fall. Having his own angels he must therefore be above ordinary angels.
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« Reply #166 on: November 17, 2022, 12:29:52 AM »
Good point.

I did state that he was above all the other angels and that caused his pride which caused his fall. Having his own angels he must therefore be above ordinary angels.

I'm glad we agreed on one point. My point is that he is not like an angel. Otherwise, Michael wouldn't have tried to defeat him with an angelic army, but would have gone alone. But we see that both sides need the army to defeat each other. If Satan's only trick was to "deceive" it is clear that Michael would not be forced to defeat him. Because it is out of the question to "deceive" an archangel and defeated. Therefore, he must have other superior qualities compared to other angels those do not allow him easily defeated.

I explained this in the issue of fallen angels. His (and other angels') children had abilities such as clairvoyance, levitation, and were the ancestors of the pharaoh generation. The grandchildren of these children rule the world today. So we cannot defeat them simply by "resisting the devil's tricks". There is no such world (unfortunately).
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« Reply #167 on: November 17, 2022, 12:30:18 AM »
Good point.

I did state that he was above all the other angels and that caused his pride which caused his fall. Having his own angels he must therefore be above ordinary angels.

I'm glad we agreed on one point. My point is that he is not like an angel. Otherwise, Michael wouldn't have tried to defeat him with an angelic army, but would have gone alone. But we see that both sides need the army to defeat each other. If Satan's only trick was to "deceive" it is clear that Michael would not be forced to defeat him. Because it is out of the question to "deceive" an archangel and defeated. Therefore, he must have other superior qualities compared to other angels those do not allow him easily defeated.

The Devil is the opposite of God,  it must be so, in order for the universe to be balanced.  You can't have good without evil,  you can't have light without dark.

Is Satan the equivalent of the Devil,  or just Lucifer,  Beelezebub,  or whatever... It doesn't matter.  It's just the other half of whatever you think.


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« Reply #168 on: November 17, 2022, 12:30:54 AM »
One had predicted a victorious arrival from the Messiah (by donkey!)

For so long I didn't understand who the holy spirit was, to my utter poverty.

I didn't understand the gifts the Father has given us. Now I feel the Holy spirit so thick that I could swim in it.

I was just thinking about that verse this morning. It's so beautiful, and powerful. The act of the supreme and undisputed authority in the universe riding in to town on a donkey is one of Gods perfect jokes.

I said it before, God invented humour.
By riding into town on a donkey Jesus showed that his authority came directly from God. He had no earthly titles, riches or power. Yet his authority was undeniable.

Again in my personal belief it was just God flexing on us.

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Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

Men dress themselves up in fancy clothes, gold and jewels, titles and castles. They proclaim their glory before men.

Jesus, even riding on a donkey dressed in rags had more authority than all these men combined. Showing that authority comes from God and only from God.
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« Reply #169 on: November 17, 2022, 12:31:02 AM »
Good point.

I did state that he was above all the other angels and that caused his pride which caused his fall. Having his own angels he must therefore be above ordinary angels.

I'm glad we agreed on one point. My point is that he is not like an angel. Otherwise, Michael wouldn't have tried to defeat him with an angelic army, but would have gone alone. But we see that both sides need the army to defeat each other. If Satan's only trick was to "deceive" it is clear that Michael would not be forced to defeat him. Because it is out of the question to "deceive" an archangel and defeated. Therefore, he must have other superior qualities compared to other angels those do not allow him easily defeated.

The Devil is the opposite of God,  it must be so, in order for the universe to be balanced.  You can't have good without evil,  you can't have light without dark.

Is Satan the equivalent of the Devil,  or just Lucifer,  Beelezebub,  or whatever... It doesn't matter.  It's just the other half of whatever you think.
This is the same conclusion I've come to for a while.
He (somebody) is a troll homo playing role of girl.

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #170 on: November 17, 2022, 12:42:14 AM »
Good point.

I did state that he was above all the other angels and that caused his pride which caused his fall. Having his own angels he must therefore be above ordinary angels.

I'm glad we agreed on one point. My point is that he is not like an angel. Otherwise, Michael wouldn't have tried to defeat him with an angelic army, but would have gone alone. But we see that both sides need the army to defeat each other. If Satan's only trick was to "deceive" it is clear that Michael would not be forced to defeat him. Because it is out of the question to "deceive" an archangel and defeated. Therefore, he must have other superior qualities compared to other angels those do not allow him easily defeated.

The Devil is the opposite of God,  it must be so, in order for the universe to be balanced.  You can't have good without evil,  you can't have light without dark.

Is Satan the equivalent of the Devil,  or just Lucifer,  Beelezebub,  or whatever... It doesn't matter.  It's just the other half of whatever you think.

Right, but they are jot equal in power. They are equal in other ways. Darkness borrows power from light, casting shadow because of it.
In the same way, tyrants convince the people that their power is immense through smoke and mirrors games.

Consider Joe Biden. First thing he did? He screened a bunch of soldiers loyal to him, and he built walls around the White House.
Immediately, this tells me that his power is not legitimate. If it were, he would have no issues whatsoever of welcoming visitors (with a few precautions). Instead his pad is like a literal fortress.

But behind all this show of strength? A doddering fool that is disarming the US because he fears revolt from his own country. He will lead us to being conquered. And China, which is the most likely conquering group, is also undoing itself. All evil carries the seeds of its own destruction.
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #171 on: November 17, 2022, 12:53:38 AM »
I believe that China is the new center of the Devil NWO project and all the evil, due to the fact that it is the main actor in the covid process, its determination and success in numerating and enslaving people, as well as being a communist, etc.

Also, China announced its armament policy. He wouldn't have dared if there wasn't a walking dead like Biden at the head of the USA.
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #172 on: November 17, 2022, 10:37:11 AM »
Yes, the NWO is indeed evil.

But these are flesh and blood that have given themselves over to evil. Not demons or the powers of Hell.

Daniel 2 (after the prophecy of the statue)
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44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

Every tyranny on this Earth is from human evil. Human evil can be tempted into place by demons, but demons have no physical power on this Earth. The archdemons of this world plant a delusion in the minds of those who encounter them that they are powerful beings. But... demons are not real in the same way you or I are real.

They are the Nephilim who came out of the time of Noah. But they do not have physical bodies anymore.

And yes, Biden is a zombie. That's the point. Biden thinks he is powerful, but his very actions to protect against perceived domestic threats (he literally sees regular conservatives from the army as terrorists, and thus has sabotaged its effectiveness) leaves us open to foreign threats.

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2021/04/joe-bidens-plan-to-weaken-the-u-s-military-has-arrived/


Why did God allow the Romans to occupy Israel in biblical times?
Why did God allow the Holocaust?
Why has God allowed people to die of diseases like AIDS?

Because it is not for God to make this world a padded room. Suffering exists because people are allowed to make choices.
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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #173 on: November 17, 2022, 10:54:39 AM »
Matt Walsh:

He called anime "satanic" in an answer to viewers' questions in one of his videos, adding that "I have no argument for why it's satanic. It just seems that way to me."[31][32]

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #174 on: November 17, 2022, 05:08:42 PM »
Lmao.

I love anime.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #175 on: November 17, 2022, 09:58:16 PM »
I saw Matt Walsh on LGBT stuff, and for the most part, he seems very hardline conservative. Very old-school establishment.

My take on the LGBT thing is that Jesus would have approved of LGBT ppl being treated as human beings and allowed to make their own choices. He would want to stop them from getting AIDS, getting bullied or murdered, and getting used for political purposes (as they are now, while I am an individual who is trans, I pretty much don't approve of the socialist front group that runs most of the lobby stuff). And he wouldn't approve of them either trying to bully the public into accepting their crazy agendas.
 But conservatives think Jesus is a conservative. He's right-leaning centrist, and this is only because the left has gone so far left that it's not viable to support them. Otherwise, Jesus would be very middle of center, and not politically active. Jesus probably would have voted for Trump. If he had voted, which he likely wouldn't.
(1) Not establishment.
(2) Not old school, condemning things as sinful.
(3) Not really into guns. But not into gun control either.

Anime has been around. It's not Satanic. You know what is? Accusing things of being Satanic. Yes, literally, if you accuse something of being evil, unless it obviously is (like blood pouring through doors The Shining style), you are making it evil in your mind. This is the sort of rationale that puts anything fun in the same category as addiction. Yes, you can abuse things and wind up with lack of sleep and so on.
"You can do anything but not everything is good for you."

You could set up a rigid law code against being drunk or gambling or whatever, based on it not being good for you. But I am quite certain that Jesus did not seek to replace the old law with his own law.

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #176 on: November 18, 2022, 12:43:22 AM »
I think describing Jesus in terms of political affiliation is incredibly foolish. I don't mean to offend.

Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Only males are males and only females are females. This transcends politics.

From the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #177 on: November 18, 2022, 01:14:50 AM »
I think describing Jesus in terms of political affiliation is incredibly foolish. I don't mean to offend.

Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Only males are males and only females are females. This transcends politics.

From the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

You appear to not comprehend the difference between gender and sexual preference. 

I'm guessing you aren't married.
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #178 on: November 18, 2022, 01:21:42 AM »
I think describing Jesus in terms of political affiliation is incredibly foolish. I don't mean to offend.

Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Only males are males and only females are females. This transcends politics.

From the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

You appear to not comprehend the difference between gender and sexual preference. 

I'm guessing you aren't married.

Unmarried and unspoken for. Doesn't even seem like he can get past the first date. Is it any surprise?

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What animal relates to your wife?

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Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus
« Reply #179 on: November 18, 2022, 01:32:09 AM »
lol
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.