Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on December 16, 2022, 09:12:00 PM

To me, inerrancy is the problem not the solution.

Oh, completely agreed, I think I phrased my point badly.

Honestly, early Judaism seems to be more henotheistic than monotheistic - the OT alludes to or plain features appearances by the gods of other tribes, their thought process seemed to be less 'Other gods don't exist,' and more 'Ours prefers to not share a pantheon so there are a lot of gods, we just worship the one.' Rivalries often seemed to be more from the fact that they were at war with other tribes as is, as opposed to the fact said tribes worshipped other gods. It wasn't really until Jesus and Paul that you got the focus on evangelism and "No one comes to the father except through me."
Honestly it's very hard to describe the god of the OT as the triple-omni being we hear about these days, given the sizeable record of lost battles he was ostensibly involved in.

The cool thing about Genesis was there was sort of feel where God was a person living along with humans. And by person I mean with awesome powers and immortality and everything else. But some weird dude who wrestled with you and broke your thigh. He occasionally see him again like this, but alot of the later scripture is like "Ohhh we've figured out God, just follow these laws stuff will happen good to you." It's like, congrats you've depersonalized God.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on inerrancy.

"Never completely shut the door..."

The cool thing about Genesis was there was sort of feel where God was a person living along with humans. And by person I mean with awesome powers and immortality and everything else. But some weird dude who wrestled with you and broke your thigh. He occasionally see him again like this, but alot of the later scripture is like "Ohhh we've figured out God, just follow these laws stuff will happen good to you." It's like, congrats you've depersonalized God.

Well, we know how that story started.

Jacob, looking dishevelled and limping slightly, creeps into his house at 5am to find his wife sitting there drumming her fingers on the table.

Wife:  "So, out all night then?  Where have you been all night?  Last I saw, you were chatting to that buff guy by the river."

Jacob: "Err, yeah.  We were just chatting about the bronze age and shit.  Then we had a few drinks and ended up, err, wrestling all night."

Wife: "Wrestling??"

Jacob: "Well, aaaaanyway, turns out it was an angel.  He had me in, err, leg lock and that's when I put my hip out.  He had a message from God."

Wife: "What message?"

Jacob: "Errm, can't really remember, as I said, we had a few drinks"

Wife: "This is the last time you stay out all night wrestling these so called "angels", you here me?  I'm sick of it"

Jacob slinks off.

This artist knew what went down

Jacob was renamed Israel by God.

Jacob was renamed Israel by God.

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Quote from: disputeone on December 18, 2022, 02:25:48 PM

Jacob was renamed Israel by God.

Strong brand recognition.

It's a story about how God doesn't break his promises. Jacob manipulated events so that God was forced to bless him even though it hadn't been the will of Gods friend Abraham.

That's why Jesus wrestled with him for an entire night but Israel is eternally stubborn it seems.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on December 17, 2022, 02:21:41 PM

The cool thing about Genesis was there was sort of feel where God was a person living along with humans. And by person I mean with awesome powers and immortality and everything else. But some weird dude who wrestled with you and broke your thigh. He occasionally see him again like this, but alot of the later scripture is like "Ohhh we've figured out God, just follow these laws stuff will happen good to you." It's like, congrats you've depersonalized God.

Well, we know how that story started.

Jacob, looking dishevelled and limping slightly, creeps into his house at 5am to find his wife sitting there drumming her fingers on the table.

Wife:  "So, out all night then?  Where have you been all night?  Last I saw, you were chatting to that buff guy by the river."

Jacob: "Err, yeah.  We were just chatting about the bronze age and shit.  Then we had a few drinks and ended up, err, wrestling all night."

Wife: "Wrestling??"

Jacob: "Well, aaaaanyway, turns out it was an angel.  He had me in, err, leg lock and that's when I put my hip out.  He had a message from God."

Wife: "What message?"

Jacob: "Errm, can't really remember, as I said, we had a few drinks"

Wife: "This is the last time you stay out all night wrestling these so called "angels", you here me?  I'm sick of it"

Jacob slinks off.

This artist knew what went down

Pretty spot on, except the artists all got it wrong.

The same night he arose and took his two wives, his two female servants, and his eleven children, and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. He took them and sent them across the stream, and everything else that he had. And Jacob was left alone. And a man wrestled with him until the breaking of the day. When the man saw that he did not prevail against Jacob, he touched his hip socket, and Jacob's hip was put out of joint as he wrestled with him. Then he said, "Let me go, for the day has broken." But Jacob said, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.” And he said to him, “What is your name?” And he said, "Jacob." Then he said, "Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed." Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him. So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying, "For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered." The sun rose upon him as he passed Penuel, limping because of his hip. Therefore to this day the people of Israel do not eat the sinew of the thigh that is on the hip socket, because he touched the socket of Jacob's hip on the sinew of the thigh.

Basically, instead of an angel, they should be drawing Jesus wrestling.

PHOTOSHOP CHALLENGE: Switch out an angel with Jesus, then change Jesus's pose to a classic wrestling one.

"Wrestling"

"Wjats everybody looking at?"

I don't see what the fuss is about. If Jesus wants to wrestle naked with some other man, or surround himself with 12 unmarried men, that's totally just part of his religion.

I don't see what the fuss is about. If Jesus wants to wrestle naked with some other man, or surround himself with 12 unmarried men, that's totally just part of his religion.

That naked wrestling was with Mary.

Christians like to take the humanity out of Jesus so they can ride him as their scapegoat.

Christians are moral cowards who are trying to sneak into heaven to be with Satan.

Regards
DL

I don't see what the fuss is about. If Jesus wants to wrestle naked with some other man, or surround himself with 12 unmarried men, that's totally just part of his religion.

tell taht to the magaevangelicals who have highjacked the mentally deficient for their own polictical and financial antiwokeness agenda

The Greatest Inquisition.



If you like a supernatural God, are you willing to kill for him?

Regards
DL

I don't see what the fuss is about. If Jesus wants to wrestle naked with some other man, or surround himself with 12 unmarried men, that's totally just part of his religion.

What about Simon Peter's wife?

The whole bible is available on youtube in Audio books if you're interested.

I can't stop listening to Jeremiah and Isaiah.

the mentally deficient

Hi Kabool.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on December 20, 2022, 07:18:19 AM

I don't see what the fuss is about. If Jesus wants to wrestle naked with some other man, or surround himself with 12 unmarried men, that's totally just part of his religion.

What about Simon Peter's wife?

The whole bible is available on youtube in Audio books if you're interested.

I can't stop listening to Jeremiah and Isaiah.

Jeremiah is cool. They have a film about him where he's trying to date someone, and God is like "Nope, no gf for you. You're my prophet." And he's like, "Dammit."

Jeremiah is cool. They have a film about him where he's trying to date someone, and God is like "Nope, no gf for you. You're my prophet." And he's like, "Dammit."

I know exactly how he felt.
The weeping prophet.

He was only told not to take a wife and children because Gods wrath was going to visit the world. God didn't want his children caught up in the storm, because God loves Jeremiah.

Jesus tells a story of a man trying to build better barns only to find that today is his last day.

As I feel pretty sludgey and have for weeks, let's assume today is it (if not, tomorrow is a blessing).

How should I spend it?

How should I spend it?

Gorging yourself.

Happy consumeristmas, everyone.

Ugh. That's like that joke where the guy lives like he's dying, then it turns out he's not.

I uhhh don't want an ulcer tomorrow though.

After a few days of extended family gatherings, I’m really craving a simple salad.

It’s what Jesus would have wanted too, I’m sure.

I'll tell you one thing Jesus is not in favor of. New Year's resolutions.

Again, you have heard that it was said to the ancients, 'Do not break your oath, but fulfill your vows to the Lord.' But I tell you not to swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. Nor should you swear by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black. Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.

"I'm gonna go on a diet, honest."
 "I'm gonna argue less with people." (That one, I made)
 "I'm gonna be a better person."

 No you're not.

It took me not one day of resolving not to argue with people to get in a terrible argument with my mom.

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”

We can't keep even one vow without God's help, without a symbiotic (or even parasitic) relationship with God (not that God can actually be hurt by us). Even with God's help, our self gets in the way, and anyway we are not intended to live to moral rule, but understand grace."

This year, make one resolution. "I don't wanna make resolutions this year, God. Help me natto."

Sorry, terrible puns are fun.

We can hurt God, we can upset Him.
I do, often.

I'm sorry. I stumble and fall.

I'll try harder.

@Crouton, and Jura.

Well for starters that's a godawful song, made me want to kill a kitten, and I'm sure that wasn't your intention but you have to be careful with puerile balladry, it's a very cumbersome device to wield in the land of the demented.   

It is, very cumbersome, to carry.
This Cross.

My advice? Firewood.

Things that are worth doing are difficult.

Rayzor and Stash really need your help but you won't help them because you still have a conscience.

They are just machines after all.

Things that are worth doing are difficult.

Rayzor and Stash really need your help but you won't help them because you still have a conscience.

They are just machines after all.

They've not asked, anything in particular I should look at? I've not been keeping up over the holidays, but I don't come cheap.

I'm quite sure you aren't cheap at all.

Well I thought it was worth a mention, new year and all, prices going up, Brexit, 12 years of a Tory government I don’t support and the possibility of a Labour one that looks almost the same, so I won’t support that either, so I’m not sure how much longer I can get away with preaching joy, revolution and mind expanding drug use on their time and budget, If I can freelance you anything, like maybe, cult deprogramming, right-speak, stories all about the good old days, how to kill a village with tinsel and a paperclip, meat free recipes or teach a crow to attack your neigbour so they don’t bother you in the summer,  all for a very reasonable £300/hr. Then call Jura!