Antarctica - A wall of ice?

According to this guess as to what the flat earth looks like, assuming the circumference of earth is not in dispute, Antarctica is 24873 miles long.



Earth diameter: 7917.5117 miles
Radius: 3958.75585

So the continent of Antarctica is 3.1 times as long as the earth's diameter.

MayonnaiseWolf only pretends to be a round earther.

According to this guess as to what the flat earth looks like, assuming the circumference of earth is not in dispute, Antarctica is 24873 miles long.



Earth diameter: 7917.5117 miles
Radius: 3958.75585

So the continent of Antarctica is 3.1 times as long as the earth's diameter.

Dude check your math and assumptions before posting. 
If the Earth was flat and a pizza, then it's circumference would be 49000 miles ish. 
2 pi r.  Not sorta pi r.

Quote from: Deadeye on July 25, 2022, 09:15:23 AM

According to this guess as to what the flat earth looks like, assuming the circumference of earth is not in dispute, Antarctica is 24873 miles long.



Earth diameter: 7917.5117 miles
Radius: 3958.75585

So the continent of Antarctica is 3.1 times as long as the earth's diameter.

Dude check your math and assumptions before posting. 
If the Earth was flat and a pizza, then it's circumference would be 49000 miles ish. 
2 pi r.  Not sorta pi r.

Yep, missed the square when changing to miles from km.

7 times longer

MayonnaiseWolf only pretends to be a round earther.

I believe in a Flat Earth and Space travel.
I also dont see any problems with holding these 2 beliefs.

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Quote from: Stash on July 22, 2022, 10:03:51 AM

I guess his friend is Renee Brinkerhoff:

Blizzards, Breakdowns and Blue Ice: How a ’50s-Era Porsche Conquered Antarctica
Renée Brinkerhoff completed her goal of driving a Porsche 356 on all seven continents



But on December 10, race car driver Renée Brinkerhoff and her Valkyrie Racing team completed a harrowing 356-mile trek across the blue ice of Union Glacier in a 1956 Porsche 356 A, conquering their goal of racing on all seven continents of the globe in one car.

Yep, my mate is the one with the beard in the middle. Ex rally driver and FIA Porsche rally car builder.

Didn’t see any walls, apart from inside the cafeteria building which also wasn’t built on a wall.

How many of the FE weirdos can say they actually went there?

I went there and was denied access to the mainland. At the time I posted here and the administration (I wasn't always president) verified my IP was in the location in question. I also mailed one of the moderators a postcard from Punta Arenas.

Given the map above of their trip, why would you expect him to see a wall? 

Erm, because you lot say Antarctica is a wall of ice surrounding a flat earth maybe? Not the huge continent that it really is.

So you would expect them to see a wall that they travel nowhere near?

Is Antarctica a wall or not, make your mind up.

No one (that I know of) holds Antarctica is a wall.

Some hold there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic.

The path traveled goes nowhere near where those who hold there is a wall say it is. You seem to expect going no where near an object you'd be able to see that object. That's pretty silly, even for a globe trotter.

Some hold there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic.

For those some who hold that there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic, apparently these folks were able to get a modified porsche over said wall and cat-track around a portion of Antarctica.

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Quote from: Deadeye on July 22, 2022, 02:00:52 PM

Quote from: Stash on July 22, 2022, 10:03:51 AM

I guess his friend is Renee Brinkerhoff:

Blizzards, Breakdowns and Blue Ice: How a ’50s-Era Porsche Conquered Antarctica
Renée Brinkerhoff completed her goal of driving a Porsche 356 on all seven continents



But on December 10, race car driver Renée Brinkerhoff and her Valkyrie Racing team completed a harrowing 356-mile trek across the blue ice of Union Glacier in a 1956 Porsche 356 A, conquering their goal of racing on all seven continents of the globe in one car.

Yep, my mate is the one with the beard in the middle. Ex rally driver and FIA Porsche rally car builder.

Didn’t see any walls, apart from inside the cafeteria building which also wasn’t built on a wall.

How many of the FE weirdos can say they actually went there?

I went there and was denied access to the mainland. At the time I posted here and the administration (I wasn't always president) verified my IP was in the location in question. I also mailed one of the moderators a postcard from Punta Arenas.

Given the map above of their trip, why would you expect him to see a wall? 

Erm, because you lot say Antarctica is a wall of ice surrounding a flat earth maybe? Not the huge continent that it really is.

So you would expect them to see a wall that they travel nowhere near?

Is Antarctica a wall or not, make your mind up.

No one (that I know of) holds Antarctica is a wall.

Some hold there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic.

The path traveled goes nowhere near where those who hold there is a wall say it is. You seem to expect going no where near an object you'd be able to see that object. That's pretty silly, even for a globe trotter.

Antarctica being a wall of ice is one of your primary explanations for flat earth!

We now know Antarctica is nearly 50,000 mile long according to your rules! Pretty difficult to miss something that big.

Antarctica being a wall of ice is definitely not Username's primary explanation for flat earth.

So now it's not a wall.

Make your minds up.

No one (that I know of) holds Antarctica is a wall.

Some hold there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic.

The path traveled goes nowhere near where those who hold there is a wall say it is. You seem to expect going no where near an object you'd be able to see that object. That's pretty silly, even for a globe trotter.

people have traveled Antartica pretty thouroughly. Crossed it from every direction by now.
You have not actually said what you believe, which is fair. But I have met some dozens of flatties that think either
A) You cant actually get to antartica due to CIA snipers or something
B) There is an actual wall at antartica, althought they did not say if it was antartica itself, or at the "outskirts" of it . . which would be the center of a round earth S Pole.
Geometrically speaking, if the pole was an actual physical tall pole, and you extended it in the way a typical Flat Earth Maps, displays, then that pole would display as a wall a couple of thousand Km long. So maybe thats what they are talking about?

According to this guess as to what the flat earth looks like, assuming the circumference of earth is not in dispute, Antarctica is 24873 miles long.

If the wall was gaurded by snipers, you would beed about 30 000 snipers sitting along the length of the wall. Then another spotter for each one. And maybe give them 8 hour shifts, we now have 180 000 snipers and spotters, one station every mile.
You may need a team of chefs, kitchens, medical ext to keep them alive. So another 10 000 or so. 200 000 personelle to gaurd the wall.
mmm. . . maybe it will be easier with missile or artillary systems, the only issue is, radar does not easily pick up people with little equipment, so anyone can ski past. But if you have one missile or canon every 100miles, you can do better with 250 stations. Artillary needs about 6 persons per canon, and radar is about the same. 3 shifts times 250 stations is much better at 9000 soldiers.
So maybe the CIA or whoever can gaurd the wall with 10 000 soldiers. Im sure they are trustworthy and will never speak out about their time camping at negative 30'C for months on end.

Quote from: Username on July 26, 2022, 01:04:11 PM

No one (that I know of) holds Antarctica is a wall.

Some hold there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic.

The path traveled goes nowhere near where those who hold there is a wall say it is. You seem to expect going no where near an object you'd be able to see that object. That's pretty silly, even for a globe trotter.

people have traveled Antartica pretty thouroughly. Crossed it from every direction by now.
You have not actually said what you believe, which is fair. But I have met some dozens of flatties that think either
A) You cant actually get to antartica due to CIA snipers or something
B) There is an actual wall at antartica, althought they did not say if it was antartica itself, or at the "outskirts" of it . . which would be the center of a round earth S Pole.
Geometrically speaking, if the pole was an actual physical tall pole, and you extended it in the way a typical Flat Earth Maps, displays, then that pole would display as a wall a couple of thousand Km long. So maybe thats what they are talking about?

Quote from: Deadeye on July 25, 2022, 09:15:23 AM

According to this guess as to what the flat earth looks like, assuming the circumference of earth is not in dispute, Antarctica is 24873 miles long.

If the wall was gaurded by snipers, you would beed about 30 000 snipers sitting along the length of the wall. Then another spotter for each one. And maybe give them 8 hour shifts, we now have 180 000 snipers and spotters, one station every mile.
You may need a team of chefs, kitchens, medical ext to keep them alive. So another 10 000 or so. 200 000 personelle to gaurd the wall.
mmm. . . maybe it will be easier with missile or artillary systems, the only issue is, radar does not easily pick up people with little equipment, so anyone can ski past. But if you have one missile or canon every 100miles, you can do better with 250 stations. Artillary needs about 6 persons per canon, and radar is about the same. 3 shifts times 250 stations is much better at 9000 soldiers.
So maybe the CIA or whoever can gaurd the wall with 10 000 soldiers. Im sure they are trustworthy and will never speak out about their time camping at negative 30'C for months on end.

Question is, what are they supposed to be guarding it for/from!?

In case you go over the edge and suffocate? 

Question is, what are they supposed to be guarding it for/from!?

In case you go over the edge and suffocate? 

No idea, no one gets that far. The point is no one gets to see the edge, because its protected by 10s of thousands of military soldiers who all made a pinky promise not to tell anyone. Alternatively, there is no wall or edge as hundreds of people who have trekked through the south pole can attest to.

Quote from: Deadeye on July 27, 2022, 03:09:11 AM

Question is, what are they supposed to be guarding it for/from!?

In case you go over the edge and suffocate? 

No idea, no one gets that far. The point is no one gets to see the edge, because its protected by 10s of thousands of military soldiers who all made a pinky promise not to tell anyone. Alternatively, there is no wall or edge as hundreds of people who have trekked through the south pole can attest to.

Seems we all agreed there wouldn't be any military activity in Antarctica: https://www.bas.ac.uk/about/antarctica/the-antarctic-treaty/the-antarctic-treaty-explained/

Not sure how Russia would react knowing the US military were there and they're not!

Quote from: Username on July 26, 2022, 01:04:11 PM

Some hold there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic.

For those some who hold that there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic, apparently these folks were able to get a modified porsche over said wall and cat-track around a portion of Antarctica.

I'm not sure you've thought out what you've said here. If its around the antarctic it would have to be inland and thus one wouldn't have to get a "porsche" over it.

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Quote from: Deadeye on July 22, 2022, 02:00:52 PM

Quote from: Stash on July 22, 2022, 10:03:51 AM

I guess his friend is Renee Brinkerhoff:

Blizzards, Breakdowns and Blue Ice: How a ’50s-Era Porsche Conquered Antarctica
Renée Brinkerhoff completed her goal of driving a Porsche 356 on all seven continents



But on December 10, race car driver Renée Brinkerhoff and her Valkyrie Racing team completed a harrowing 356-mile trek across the blue ice of Union Glacier in a 1956 Porsche 356 A, conquering their goal of racing on all seven continents of the globe in one car.

Yep, my mate is the one with the beard in the middle. Ex rally driver and FIA Porsche rally car builder.

Didn’t see any walls, apart from inside the cafeteria building which also wasn’t built on a wall.

How many of the FE weirdos can say they actually went there?

I went there and was denied access to the mainland. At the time I posted here and the administration (I wasn't always president) verified my IP was in the location in question. I also mailed one of the moderators a postcard from Punta Arenas.

Given the map above of their trip, why would you expect him to see a wall? 

Erm, because you lot say Antarctica is a wall of ice surrounding a flat earth maybe? Not the huge continent that it really is.

So you would expect them to see a wall that they travel nowhere near?

Is Antarctica a wall or not, make your mind up.

No one (that I know of) holds Antarctica is a wall.

Some hold there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic.

The path traveled goes nowhere near where those who hold there is a wall say it is. You seem to expect going no where near an object you'd be able to see that object. That's pretty silly, even for a globe trotter.

Antarctica being a wall of ice is one of your primary explanations for flat earth!

No, it's not.

We now know Antarctica is nearly 50,000 mile long according to your rules! Pretty difficult to miss something that big.

Air is not perfectly transparent.

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Quote from: Username on July 26, 2022, 01:04:11 PM

No one (that I know of) holds Antarctica is a wall.

Some hold there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic.

The path traveled goes nowhere near where those who hold there is a wall say it is. You seem to expect going no where near an object you'd be able to see that object. That's pretty silly, even for a globe trotter.

people have traveled Antartica pretty thouroughly. Crossed it from every direction by now.
You have not actually said what you believe, which is fair. But I have met some dozens of flatties that think either
A) You cant actually get to antartica due to CIA snipers or something
B) There is an actual wall at antartica, althought they did not say if it was antartica itself, or at the "outskirts" of it . . which would be the center of a round earth S Pole.
Geometrically speaking, if the pole was an actual physical tall pole, and you extended it in the way a typical Flat Earth Maps, displays, then that pole would display as a wall a couple of thousand Km long. So maybe thats what they are talking about?

Quote from: Deadeye on July 25, 2022, 09:15:23 AM

According to this guess as to what the flat earth looks like, assuming the circumference of earth is not in dispute, Antarctica is 24873 miles long.

If the wall was gaurded by snipers, you would beed about 30 000 snipers sitting along the length of the wall. Then another spotter for each one. And maybe give them 8 hour shifts, we now have 180 000 snipers and spotters, one station every mile.
You may need a team of chefs, kitchens, medical ext to keep them alive. So another 10 000 or so. 200 000 personelle to gaurd the wall.
mmm. . . maybe it will be easier with missile or artillary systems, the only issue is, radar does not easily pick up people with little equipment, so anyone can ski past. But if you have one missile or canon every 100miles, you can do better with 250 stations. Artillary needs about 6 persons per canon, and radar is about the same. 3 shifts times 250 stations is much better at 9000 soldiers.
So maybe the CIA or whoever can gaurd the wall with 10 000 soldiers. Im sure they are trustworthy and will never speak out about their time camping at negative 30'C for months on end.

Question is, what are they supposed to be guarding it for/from!?

If those that believed in guards knew that, the guards wouldn't be very good now, would they?

If the wall was gaurded by snipers, you would beed about 30 000 snipers sitting along the length of the wall. Then another spotter for each one. And maybe give them 8 hour shifts, we now have 180 000 snipers and spotters, one station every mile.
You may need a team of chefs, kitchens, medical ext to keep them alive. So another 10 000 or so. 200 000 personelle to gaurd the wall.
mmm. . . maybe it will be easier with missile or artillary systems, the only issue is, radar does not easily pick up people with little equipment, so anyone can ski past. But if you have one missile or canon every 100miles, you can do better with 250 stations. Artillary needs about 6 persons per canon, and radar is about the same. 3 shifts times 250 stations is much better at 9000 soldiers.
So maybe the CIA or whoever can gaurd the wall with 10 000 soldiers. Im sure they are trustworthy and will never speak out about their time camping at negative 30'C for months on end.

I believe it has been previously calculated as follows. Also there was a military presence in the Antarctic by the Russians and they seemed to get along with it fine.

The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
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*UPDATED*
Ice Wall Guarding:

If you would take note of Erasmus's calculations as far as guards go:

Quote from: Erasmus

Supposing for a moment that the government does guard it solely by posting men on it, these men are 150 in the air. From that hight they can see at least 15 miles in every relevant direction (this of course is calculating using the RE model... on a FE they might see farther). Thus you can cover the whole wall with just 78,225/30 = 2608 men.

You can decrease it further by giving them snowmobiles and having them ride between waypoints. If they can ride 10 mph and still keep an eye on things, then in one hour one sixth the previous number -- or 652 men -- can cover the wall in an hour. In fact, doing this gives them better coverage, since this way their 15-mile-radius field of vision doesn't have any holes.

Now take the terrain into account -- much of the Ice Wall is probably unapproachable except by air -- and you can trim down the numbers even further.

Strategically locate some helicopter pads (on the wall or floating) and you can have heavy armament on the scene in thirty minutes. Assuming an Apache helicopter can fly 150 mph, in that time they could fly 75 miles, so we would need to place pads every 150 miles, requiring 521 pads. Obviously, if you don't insist on thirty-minute response time, you can do with fewer. Don't forget that the watchmen can see 15 miles away from the wall, so thirty minutes should be more than enough to intercept any boat that tries to approach, snap pictures, and sail to safety.

Of course, this is all assuming that the only means our governments have of detecting trespassers is by looking with their eyes. We're neglecting radar and high-altitude spyplanes, probably with infrared cameras.

We're also neglecting intelligence. Anybody who wants to travel to the ice wall has to leave from someplace, and these someplaces can be watched by agents as well. There aren't too many good places to set on on such a journey from. Then, such expeditions would also have to be planned, and agents could get words about them before they even start. Once they've started, agents could monitor radio transmissions. If they can discover tresspassers a thousand miles away instead of only fifteen, then maybe they don't need so big a force as you say.

Now, I'm going to take this, and say that we need about one-thousand men guarding the wall, again with two shifts each, if we include cameras, infrared, radar, intelligence, and all that good stuff. This is more than I stated previously, but bear in mind that I had been very generous with the amount those men had been paid. Now, seeing as the men practically have no influence (all they do is guard an ice wall; it's not like it's probable they have a lot of friends at all, let alone ones in high places), they don't necessarily need a very grand rate of pay. Therefore I'm dropping my previous estimate to a simple one-hundred thousand dollars per person. That still leaves us with the same amount of two-million dollars to pay for every guard in the wall forces.


CONSPIRACY MONEY TOTAL = $47,000,000 USD (Forty-Million U.S. Dollars)


Second Topic:
How Does The Conspiracy Benefit?

This is not easily answered, but I've taken some insight into this and made some estimates on how the conspiracy could be making money:

Government Paychecks:
It's very possible that the conspiracy runs by just sucking money out of the government that they are underneath. Seeing as the head honchos in those governments don't have to know about the conspiracy, it'd be pretty easy to take money from the government. Also, even if the leaders DID know, it's tax money that's going into the space exploration research, so really, they'd still be pulling profit. Basically, if you chose to believe this option, the leaders of the conspiracy are taking tax money and getting filthy stinking rich off of it. Sounds like a motive to me. 

Display of Power:
Some people are control freaks. Maybe they get a rush from showing that they can change everyone's mind about the true shape of the Earth.

Embarrassment:
So, the government messed up at a really bad time to mess up, and they've been pooling all of the already-angry tax-payers' money into research that eventually led to a less-than-exciting discovery: The Earth is flat. Everyone was wrong. Millions (probably billions) of dollars of money that didn't really belong to them had been basically tossed down the drain for research of the round Earth, when, in fact it was flat. So, instead of angering people and possibly even sparking a revolt of some sort, they made up some stuff. And you know how lies tend to roll and get bigger and bigger until they're inescapable? I'd say a worldwide conspiracy is that concept...to the max.

Recruitment/Faithfulness:
Similar to the one above. Maybe the future-conspirators were ashamed that they hadn't reached out to space yet, and they felt that the people were getting hasty and impatient with them, so they decided to say they did it, and qualm the welling resentment of them, so they could ACTUALLY send people into space on a later date, without a bunch of morons knocking on their doorstep asking when they would be done with their space ship. Unfortunately, they later realized that they were wrong the whole time, and therefore had to uphold the conspiracy, lest they be accused of lying, and therefore reverting the resentment to its original state.

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Third Topic:
What If Someone Squeals?

"Yes," you say, "but what happens when someone leaks the information?"

Why You WOULD Leak Conspiracy Information:

Fame:
You officially proved that the Earth is actually flat. You'll be in history books for ages!

Money:
Interviews with every news station and every magazine ever. You'll be a huge celebrity, and as such, you'll probably be making a fair amount of cash...at least for a little while.

Peace of Mind:
It's probably tough to keep that stuff in your head without leaking some of it out every once in a while. It'd be a lot on your conscience.

Why You Would NOT Leak Conspiracy Information:

Fame:
Some people don't like being in the spotlight all that much. Paparazzi can get annoying, and even though attention may appear to be entertaining, it can get old pretty fast.

Money:
You no longer get the big fat paychecks from the conspirators. After all of the press wears out, and starts ignoring you again--meaning no more cash from interviews--you'll probably have to start working again.

Peace of Mind:
You just screwed over all of your friends, just because you wanted a few minutes of fame and a lot of cash. Congratulations.

Insanity:
If you don't have enough proof, you won't be revered as a revolutionary, you'll be revered as Patient #3562 at the local mental hospital.

Death:
While a most likely uncommon side-effect, NASA could easily kill you and say, "He died in a space shuttle accident, I swear." Honestly, by the way it seems on TV, those things are so unstable, no one would ever EVER doubt that someone died while in space due to some random accident (add a bunch of jargon and you've got an incredibly convincing reason for death).


Topic Four:
Conclusive Notes:

As you can see, the conspiracy is not only logical, but it's, in its own way, actually quite plausible. With all of these concepts in your face, it's hard to refute AT LEAST the possibility of a conspiracy covering up the shape of the Earth. If anyone wants to rebuttal, though, I gladly welcome it (in fact, I'm probably missing a lot of stuff--but hey, I'm only one guy), and I'll add more to this compendium (hence why it's a compendium).

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Quote from: Username on July 26, 2022, 01:04:11 PM

No one (that I know of) holds Antarctica is a wall.

Some hold there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic.

The path traveled goes nowhere near where those who hold there is a wall say it is. You seem to expect going no where near an object you'd be able to see that object. That's pretty silly, even for a globe trotter.

people have traveled Antartica pretty thouroughly. Crossed it from every direction by now.
You have not actually said what you believe, which is fair. But I have met some dozens of flatties that think either
A) You cant actually get to antartica due to CIA snipers or something
B) There is an actual wall at antartica, althought they did not say if it was antartica itself, or at the "outskirts" of it . . which would be the center of a round earth S Pole.
Geometrically speaking, if the pole was an actual physical tall pole, and you extended it in the way a typical Flat Earth Maps, displays, then that pole would display as a wall a couple of thousand Km long. So maybe thats what they are talking about?

The theory is that they have simply again and again piece wise crossed peninsulas. Yes, others believe that guards might stop them, there is an actual wall or firmament, or that the terrain is simply too dangerous to travel across due to heat extinction the further you travel.

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Im glad you did not write all that, because I would have told you its a very badly thought out post.You dont simply drop individuals in -30'C inaccessable terrain with no logistics and expect them to still be alive a day later. Especially considering that these are all random poor soldiers with low pay who have most likely never seen snow before. The conspiracy would be that the US is killing a 1000 soldiers every day.
The individuals who do cross the antartic, do so after years and years of training and experiance, and you want to drop some hill billy off in the most dangerous environment on earth and think everythings going to be okay. Fuel freezes at these temperatures, meaning you just have thousands of useless snowmobiles with corpses all over the place.

Government Paychecks: Or just, you know, do what they are currently doing in normal millitary operations. No need for a grand secret conspiracy.Embarrassment: Who ever though this was a good theory has never heard of the concept of "other countries". Why would South Africa and France give a crap about American embarrasment.Recruitment/Faithfulness: Same as the previousWhat If Someone Squeals? This part is the worst. There are whistle blowers who risk their lives for a lot less. This conspiracy involves tens and thousands of more people than any other in history, yet its never leaked. Also, have you heard of "other countries!"

The theory is that they have simply again and again piece wise crossed peninsulas. Yes, others believe that guards might stop them, there is an actual wall or firmament, or that the terrain is simply too dangerous to travel across due to heat extinction the further you travel.

The theory neglects that people have crossed the antartic from one station to another. On a flat earth map, the actual bases are thousands of km away from each other. I think people would notice if they only traveled 1000km to reach a point 10 000km away.

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Quote from: Username on July 26, 2022, 01:04:11 PM

Some hold there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic.

For those some who hold that there is a wall around what we call the Antarctic, apparently these folks were able to get a modified porsche over said wall and cat-track around a portion of Antarctica.

I'm not sure you've thought out what you've said here. If its around the antarctic it would have to be inland and thus one wouldn't have to get a "porsche" over it.

Wouldn't be the first time I haven't thought something through, but I don't get what you're saying. I don't understand, "If its around the antarctic it would have to be inland."

If there is an ice wall around the existing Antarctica (The continent as we know it) or it's a wall circling the flat disk with Antarctica behind it encircling the flat earth, and someone had a Porsche they wanted to race around in the Union Glacier area, which is inland, then they would have to hoist the porsche over the wall to get inland.

Red = Icewall
Green =Union Glacier

Wouldn't be the first time I haven't thought something through, but I don't get what you're saying. I don't understand, "If its around the antarctic it would have to be inland."

If there is an ice wall around the existing Antarctica (The continent as we know it) or it's a wall circling the flat disk with Antarctica behind it encircling the flat earth, and someone had a Porsche they wanted to race around in the Union Glacier area, which is inland, then they would have to hoist the porsche over the wall to get inland.

Red = Icewall
Green =Union Glacier

He is trying to say that the wall would need to be on the other side of Antarctica, and what you have drown is on the inside of Antarctica, not around it.

He is trying to say that the wall would need to be on the other side of Antarctica, and what you have drown is on the inside of Antarctica, not around it.

Oh, I see. I've always been under the impression that FEr's who believe in an "ice wall" is that it prevents you going from ocean to actually set foot on Antarctica. Let alone travel inland.

He is trying to say that the wall would need to be on the other side of Antarctica, and what you have drown is on the inside of Antarctica, not around it.

Any joker can get a grant and go on land. It was just misfortune that didn't land the President of the Flat Earth Society there. Ours is not to wonder why.

Oh, I see. I've always been under the impression that FEr's who believe in an "ice wall" is that it prevents you going from ocean to actually set foot on Antarctica. Let alone travel inland.

This may be true of newer flat earthers. I can say by experience I saw her shore, and there is no wall preventing entry, except those made by man.

Quote from: Username on July 27, 2022, 04:16:29 PM

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Im glad you did not write all that, because I would have told you its a very badly thought out post.

I think anyone who has spent any time around the Flat Earth Society knows that we are equal parts ridiculously joking and deadly serious. After all, a spoon full of sugar.

You dont simply drop individuals in -30'C inaccessable terrain with no logistics and expect them to still be alive a day later. Especially considering that these are all random poor soldiers with low pay who have most likely never seen snow before. The conspiracy would be that the US is killing a 1000 soldiers every day.

The Russians operated a base out of the area for some time - even managed to put up their constructivist architecture around it. Supposedly it is unoccupied now. You know how the Russians value treaties.

I have to imagine what they might eat. Penguins do seem to be a fatty source of protein, and dumb enough to wander right into the mouths of hungry soldiers.

The individuals who do cross the antartic, do so after years and years of training and experiance, and you want to drop some hill billy off in the most dangerous environment on earth and think everythings going to be okay. Fuel freezes at these temperatures, meaning you just have thousands of useless snowmobiles with corpses all over the place.

You'd be surprised what the will to live might bring out of even the most common "hill billy." You are right though, traversing too far into the cold outreaches of the antarctic is certain death. There is little need for guards. Yet, this is what some argue.

Government Paychecks: Or just, you know, do what they are currently doing in normal millitary operations. No need for a grand secret conspiracy.Embarrassment: Who ever though this was a good theory has never heard of the concept of "other countries". Why would South Africa and France give a crap about American embarrasment.Recruitment/Faithfulness: Same as the previousWhat If Someone Squeals? This part is the worst. There are whistle blowers who risk their lives for a lot less. This conspiracy involves tens and thousands of more people than any other in history, yet its never leaked. Also, have you heard of "other countries!"

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The theory is that they have simply again and again piece wise crossed peninsulas. Yes, others believe that guards might stop them, there is an actual wall or firmament, or that the terrain is simply too dangerous to travel across due to heat extinction the further you travel.

The theory neglects that people have crossed the antartic from one station to another. On a flat earth map, the actual bases are thousands of km away from each other. I think people would notice if they only traveled 1000km to reach a point 10 000km away.

You have never travelled far if you think you could judge distance so wisely. Even our measurements for sea travel come from dubious origins; knots. Really? There are days when you travel and you have no idea if you went forward or backwards, except for educated guess. And educated guesses are most often wrong.

Perhaps distance to satellites is not as silly as knots, or magnets. I doubt it. The truth is far more vast than we could ever hope to see. Imagine yourself in a snow storm, having to find a safe spot for shelter for days. Could you judge your footsteps North?

Of course not. Don't be foolish and present a proper argument for your views, rather than again and again bringing these sophomoric ramblings to our doors; like hordes of zombies they walk unmindlessly, torrently, and feverishly - maws drooling.

I suppose it is a matter of a lack of what they eat that afflicts them.

Quote from: JackBlack on July 28, 2022, 02:34:56 PM

He is trying to say that the wall would need to be on the other side of Antarctica, and what you have drown is on the inside of Antarctica, not around it.

Any joker can get a grant and go on land. It was just misfortune that didn't land the President of the Flat Earth Society there. Ours is not to wonder why.

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Oh, I see. I've always been under the impression that FEr's who believe in an "ice wall" is that it prevents you going from ocean to actually set foot on Antarctica. Let alone travel inland.

This may be true of newer flat earthers. I can say by experience I saw her shore, and there is no wall preventing entry, except those made by man.

So is there still a wall on the outside of Antiarctica stopping penguins from falling into space?

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Oh, I see. I've always been under the impression that FEr's who believe in an "ice wall" is that it prevents you going from ocean to actually set foot on Antarctica. Let alone travel inland.

This may be true of newer flat earthers. I can say by experience I saw her shore, and there is no wall preventing entry, except those made by man.

What do you mean by "newer". You mean Rowbotham on forward? Parallax stated regarding Antarctica, “Human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice, extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate and becoming lost in gloom or darkness.”

Everywhere I see, the most common FE model is the AE north pole centered, Antartica as an ice wall ring around it.  And the most common descriptor for the ice wall is: This ice wall serves to keep the Earth’s oceans from spilling away, and nobody knows what exists on the other side. Additionally, no one knows what's on the other side because it's guarded to contain the "secrets" beyond.

If perhaps the ringed Antarctic ice wall is actually the entirety of Antartica, then they were able to get the Porsche on top of the wall and drove around.

You have never travelled far if you think you could judge distance so wisely. Even our measurements for sea travel come from dubious origins; knots. Really? There are days when you travel and you have no idea if you went forward or backwards, except for educated guess. And educated guesses are most often wrong.

Perhaps distance to satellites is not as silly as knots, or magnets. I doubt it. The truth is far more vast than we could ever hope to see. Imagine yourself in a snow storm, having to find a safe spot for shelter for days. Could you judge your footsteps North?

Of course not. Don't be foolish and present a proper argument for your views, rather than again and again bringing these sophomoric ramblings to our doors; like hordes of zombies they walk unmindlessly, torrently, and feverishly - maws drooling.

I suppose it is a matter of a lack of what they eat that afflicts them.

I have traversed through mountains in snow storms at negative 20'C. And we found our way the same way people in Antarctica do, GPS. Its so accurate, I could find a cave hidden in-between trees and mountain cliffs from 50km away 2 days earlier.
You really should try one of these new modern marvels of technology

For those doubting Dorisses, the Porsche in quest is in America at the Quail Car Show along with my mate. Feel free to ask him if he saw any walls.