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Why do you support Ron DeSantis?

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #420 on: May 03, 2023, 08:13:21 AM »


Wokeness is properly defined as encampassing anything you don't like.

Ex. Lesbians gave us a cat that attacks anyone on sight.  This cat is woke. The lesbians are also woke.

I brought up banning woke corporations because I think it would be extremely funny to watch DeSantis supporters cheer for it. Also because this seems to be what he's on the path towards regarding Disney world. Other Republicans are mocking DeSantis for this fight. He responds by calling them woke.

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #421 on: May 03, 2023, 03:19:29 PM »
I won't have to prove it in court. You said no one can define "woke" so I defined it.
Fair but then your definition fails the test of say.... A school teacher who talks about transgender people.  They're called woke.

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Anyway, you are the one fantasizing about DeSantis banning woke corporations from the state of Florida, which he isn't going to do. Corporations are free to signal their fake allegiance to any cause they like.
Am I?  I don't recall but feel free to correct me as my memory sucks.

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The more interesting Ron DeSantis news, imo, is that he has put the death penalty on the table for child rapists. This is something the Supreme Court has already rejected, so the showdown should be interesting. Even if he loses, I suspect this move will get him more supporters. Just in time to run for president? idk.
I disagree with this.  I prefer my child rapists to live a long, healthy life full of pain and suffering.  Constant prison rapes, solitary confinement, bad food, etc...
Death is a release, not a punishment.

Teachers who behave like this are called woke https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1652065182351278083?s=20 This one isn't even that bad, I mean idk why she feels compelled to make tiktoks about it, but all the world must be a stage for some people. Wokeness is a performance.

If you only pay attention to legacy "progressive" media then you will never know what is really happening in classrooms. There are thousands of weirdo teachers doing a lot more than talking about transgender people. They post it on the internet themselves every day.

Also, I don't believe in torturing people for their crimes.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #422 on: May 03, 2023, 08:58:48 PM »
I won't have to prove it in court. You said no one can define "woke" so I defined it.
Fair but then your definition fails the test of say.... A school teacher who talks about transgender people.  They're called woke.

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Anyway, you are the one fantasizing about DeSantis banning woke corporations from the state of Florida, which he isn't going to do. Corporations are free to signal their fake allegiance to any cause they like.
Am I?  I don't recall but feel free to correct me as my memory sucks.

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The more interesting Ron DeSantis news, imo, is that he has put the death penalty on the table for child rapists. This is something the Supreme Court has already rejected, so the showdown should be interesting. Even if he loses, I suspect this move will get him more supporters. Just in time to run for president? idk.
I disagree with this.  I prefer my child rapists to live a long, healthy life full of pain and suffering.  Constant prison rapes, solitary confinement, bad food, etc...
Death is a release, not a punishment.

Teachers who behave like this are called woke https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1652065182351278083?s=20 This one isn't even that bad, I mean idk why she feels compelled to make tiktoks about it, but all the world must be a stage for some people. Wokeness is a performance.

If you only pay attention to legacy "progressive" media then you will never know what is really happening in classrooms. There are thousands of weirdo teachers doing a lot more than talking about transgender people. They post it on the internet themselves every day.

Also, I don't believe in torturing people for their crimes.
Ok... So the teacher in the video is only pretending to care about social issues?  Since thats your definition of woke and you said she is woke.   To me, that video just sounded like a very normal day for a middle school teacher, minus the she/they thing.  Some middle schooler going 'yes, sir!' to be a little pain in the ass?  Totally normal.  But I have no idea what that kid's connection of "Yes, Sir" and "Your pin says she/they" is.  Sounds random.
Also, that looks like a woman so... Doesn't seem like it should be confusing. 

I do not search social media for weird teachers, no.  So yes, I don't know whats going on in random classrooms around the country.  I assume most of it is teaching with the occasional bad teacher, weird teacher, fun teacher, and young and enthusiastic teacher who hasn't been crushed by the educational system yet.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #423 on: May 04, 2023, 04:50:11 AM »
And this is exactly why history repeats itself. Good job.
History doesn't repeat itself and are you seriously suggesting that me disagreeing with your assessment on DeSantis being a Nazi is exactly why history is repeating itself.   Seriously?  You will stand by such an idiotic statement? 
Yeah, I'll stand by my statement.

"That can't happen here!" is what leads to exactly that happening here.

DeSantis is following the fascist playbook. You can say he's not really a fascist, he's just doing these things because he's bad but doesn't truly believe in the fascist ideology.  Does it really make any difference?  You rolling your eyes at the idea that someone acting like a fascist might be a fascist is part of the problem.

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #424 on: May 04, 2023, 05:28:58 AM »
News organizations have destroyed their credibility themselves. They also make sure to amplify all those bad things because it generates clicks and views.

DeSantis is not a dictator. He's gotten himself into a dumb fight with Disney, he should have ignored their opposition to the Parental Rights in Education bill.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #425 on: May 04, 2023, 05:59:16 AM »
I agree he isn't now but when would we say he is?  At what point would someone in America go from hardline politician to actual dictator?  Is it even possible?
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #426 on: May 04, 2023, 06:58:10 AM »
And this is exactly why history repeats itself. Good job.
History doesn't repeat itself and are you seriously suggesting that me disagreeing with your assessment on DeSantis being a Nazi is exactly why history is repeating itself.   Seriously?  You will stand by such an idiotic statement? 
Yeah, I'll stand by my statement.

"That can't happen here!" is what leads to exactly that happening here.

DeSantis is following the fascist playbook. You can say he's not really a fascist, he's just doing these things because he's bad but doesn't truly believe in the fascist ideology.  Does it really make any difference?  You rolling your eyes at the idea that someone acting like a fascist might be a fascist is part of the problem.

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"Well, first of all, I’m troubled by how thoughtlessly people throw around that term. At this point, anybody who disagrees with us is a fascist." - Madeleine K. Albright

I think she is referring to you.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #427 on: May 04, 2023, 07:19:32 AM »
I agree he isn't now but when would we say he is?  At what point would someone in America go from hardline politician to actual dictator?  Is it even possible?

I think it could be possible, but it would be difficult. I think Trump was trying to achieve this when he used televangelists to elevate himself to a religious figure. The US can overcome lots of bad politicians, but once a bad politician is turned into a religious icon it becomes more difficult. The switch from hardline politician to dictator would be when we can no longer speak truth to power, when the rights granted by the constitution are squashed. Like, I see politicians skirting that line regularly (including DeSantis) but as long as we are allowed to criticize and push back, then I think democracy is working.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #428 on: May 04, 2023, 09:16:16 AM »
While he might not be a dictator, he is clearly a fascist. It might be hard to say he's a dictator, but he has a tendency towards wanting autocratism or towards performing dictatorship-esque actions.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #429 on: May 04, 2023, 10:28:20 AM »
i thought he was going to be super villain level bill barr/ chenney sr but ronda's looking more and more like a cruz/ rubio stooge.



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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #430 on: May 05, 2023, 07:02:31 AM »
I do not support this https://newrepublic.com/post/172444/florida-passes-bill-allowing-trans-kids-taken-families

https://archive.is/Ai1Xs#selection-643.0-648.0

DeSantis hasn't signed it yet, but he probably will.

Some of it, is a good idea. For example, I don't think kids should be getting blockers or hormones via telehealth. These are powerful drugs, and should be monitored closely. Also, doctors should absolutely be telling patients about the risks of taking these drugs.

I think the rest of it is a mistake.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #431 on: May 05, 2023, 07:46:04 AM »
There's a lot of laws that he passes as stunt laws.  They seem like they're doing something but they're unviable laws that any sane judge would strike down eventually.

I haven't read this law but I think it fall in that category.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #432 on: May 05, 2023, 07:55:16 AM »
I don't think kids should be getting blockers or hormones via telehealth.
Wait...what?  That was a thing in the first place??  That's nuts.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #433 on: May 05, 2023, 08:30:30 AM »
I don't think kids should be getting blockers or hormones via telehealth.
Wait...what?  That was a thing in the first place??  That's nuts.

Yeah, it's definitely nuts. You can get lots of psych meds via telehealth now, it really took off during covid. There are some meds you can't get like that, like pain pills, or psych meds that are (shit, what are they? grrr)... there are psych meds that are in a different drug class and can't be prescribed without an in person visit.  Blockers and hormones are being treated like psych meds, is what I am trying to say.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #434 on: May 05, 2023, 09:04:42 AM »
Doctors are already required to explain the risks of any drug they prescribe.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #435 on: May 05, 2023, 09:34:50 AM »
I don't think kids should be getting blockers or hormones via telehealth.
Wait...what?  That was a thing in the first place??  That's nuts.

Yeah, it's definitely nuts. You can get lots of psych meds via telehealth now, it really took off during covid. There are some meds you can't get like that, like pain pills, or psych meds that are (shit, what are they? grrr)... there are psych meds that are in a different drug class and can't be prescribed without an in person visit.  Blockers and hormones are being treated like psych meds, is what I am trying to say.
You have an out of control pharmaceutical industry and culture.


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« Reply #436 on: May 05, 2023, 09:38:19 AM »
Doctors are already required to explain the risks of any drug they prescribe.
And what if there is insufficient research evidence to assess the risks and benefits of a pharmaceutical intervention?  Say, just for example, hormone blockers and cross-sex hormones as applied to children with gender dysphoria?
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« Reply #437 on: May 05, 2023, 09:54:26 AM »
Doctors are already required to explain the risks of any drug they prescribe.
And what if there is insufficient research evidence to assess the risks and benefits of a pharmaceutical intervention?  Say, just for example, hormone blockers and cross-sex hormones as applied to children with gender dysphoria?
That is why the FDA exists.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #438 on: May 05, 2023, 10:30:08 AM »
Doctors are already required to explain the risks of any drug they prescribe.
And what if there is insufficient research evidence to assess the risks and benefits of a pharmaceutical intervention?  Say, just for example, hormone blockers and cross-sex hormones as applied to children with gender dysphoria?
That is why the FDA exists.

The FDA has not approved these drugs to be used in the treatment of gender dysphoria. Blockers are FDA approved for the treatment of advanced prostate cancer, some types of breast cancer, and for the treatment of endometriosis. They are also approved for use in treating precocious puberty.

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #439 on: May 05, 2023, 10:33:53 AM »
Doctors are already required to explain the risks of any drug they prescribe.
And what if there is insufficient research evidence to assess the risks and benefits of a pharmaceutical intervention?  Say, just for example, hormone blockers and cross-sex hormones as applied to children with gender dysphoria?
That is why the FDA exists.
Insufficient evidence is insufficient evidence.  The FDA don't have a secret stash of knowledge that isn't available to everyone else.

Anyway, they have not licensed puberty blockers for paediatric gender dysphoria, so that doesn't really get us anywhere.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #440 on: May 05, 2023, 10:48:16 AM »
Doctors are already required to explain the risks of any drug they prescribe.
And what if there is insufficient research evidence to assess the risks and benefits of a pharmaceutical intervention?  Say, just for example, hormone blockers and cross-sex hormones as applied to children with gender dysphoria?
That is why the FDA exists.

The FDA has not approved these drugs to be used in the treatment of gender dysphoria. Blockers are FDA approved for the treatment of advanced prostate cancer, some types of breast cancer, and for the treatment of endometriosis. They are also approved for use in treating precocious puberty.

I forgot this one, they are also approved for the use in chemically castrating sex offenders.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #441 on: May 06, 2023, 01:16:47 AM »
Doctors are already required to explain the risks of any drug they prescribe.
And what if there is insufficient research evidence to assess the risks and benefits of a pharmaceutical intervention?  Say, just for example, hormone blockers and cross-sex hormones as applied to children with gender dysphoria?
That is why the FDA exists.

The FDA has not approved these drugs to be used in the treatment of gender dysphoria. Blockers are FDA approved for the treatment of advanced prostate cancer, some types of breast cancer, and for the treatment of endometriosis. They are also approved for use in treating precocious puberty.

Why would they?
My understanding is that hormone blockers are designed to delay puberty so a person can be evaluated and possibly have hormone therapy before puberty hits. 
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #442 on: May 06, 2023, 07:11:22 AM »
Why would the FDA approve any drug for any treatment, then? You're not making sense.

The FDA doesn't initiate the process, the drug makers do. The reason the FDA hasn't approved the use of blockers for the treatment of gender dysphoria, is because the drug makers haven't taken the steps required to receive approval. These steps are costly, and in the end involve monitoring the safety of the drug. No one promoting the Dutch protocol really wants FDA monitoring.


Hormone blockers are described as a pause on puberty, so the kid has time to grow up before making permanent changes. According to research about 98% of kids on blockers go on to cross sex hormones, according to research 80% of dysphoric kids who do not take blockers will desist. IMO, putting kids on blockers locks them in, because it's not only the obvious physical changes being blocked, but also cognitive development that occurs during puberty.

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #443 on: May 06, 2023, 07:30:03 AM »
Why would the FDA approve any drug for any treatment, then? You're not making sense.
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Like 'The FDA approves this drug for castration.' vs 'the FDA approves this drug for hormonal blocking'.
And since hormonal blockers don't treat gender dysphoria, you wouldn't have them as approved for treatment of it.
But it seems that it IS part of the treatment (from a quick google search) so I retract my statement.


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The FDA doesn't initiate the process, the drug makers do. The reason the FDA hasn't approved the use of blockers for the treatment of gender dysphoria, is because the drug makers haven't taken the steps required to receive approval. These steps are costly, and in the end involve monitoring the safety of the drug. No one promoting the Dutch protocol really wants FDA monitoring.
That I did not know.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #444 on: May 06, 2023, 07:30:11 AM »
Why would the FDA approve any drug for any treatment, then? You're not making sense.

The FDA doesn't initiate the process, the drug makers do. The reason the FDA hasn't approved the use of blockers for the treatment of gender dysphoria, is because the drug makers haven't taken the steps required to receive approval. These steps are costly, and in the end involve monitoring the safety of the drug. No one promoting the Dutch protocol really wants FDA monitoring.


Hormone blockers are described as a pause on puberty, so the kid has time to grow up before making permanent changes. According to research about 98% of kids on blockers go on to cross sex hormones, according to research 80% of dysphoric kids who do not take blockers will desist. IMO, putting kids on blockers locks them in, because it's not only the obvious physical changes being blocked, but also cognitive development that occurs during puberty.

I'm a little light on the facts:

- Docs can prescribe blockers even if the FDA hasn't directly been asked and approved for an alternate use?
- How long have we've been using blockers specifically for gender dysphoria? Is this kinda a new-ish thing?
- How old can the kids be to receive such a treatment? I assume parents need to approve?

And yeah, I can totally see the slippery slope of whether messing around with cognitive developments cloud or clear the decision making capabilities going forward. The whole thing seems messy at best.

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« Reply #445 on: May 06, 2023, 08:04:06 AM »
Messy indeed.  And also very technical.  Most politicians are former lawyers.  They're not qualified to make these sorts of calls.  Yet here we are.  For some reason one political party thinks they know enough about medicine to meddle with healthcare.

If there were an issue where doctors are either being pressured to perform procedures against their better judgement or just doing it for money with no regard for its necessity then that should be addressed by the law. 
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #446 on: May 06, 2023, 10:33:57 AM »
Why would the FDA approve any drug for any treatment, then? You're not making sense.

The FDA doesn't initiate the process, the drug makers do. The reason the FDA hasn't approved the use of blockers for the treatment of gender dysphoria, is because the drug makers haven't taken the steps required to receive approval. These steps are costly, and in the end involve monitoring the safety of the drug. No one promoting the Dutch protocol really wants FDA monitoring.


Hormone blockers are described as a pause on puberty, so the kid has time to grow up before making permanent changes. According to research about 98% of kids on blockers go on to cross sex hormones, according to research 80% of dysphoric kids who do not take blockers will desist. IMO, putting kids on blockers locks them in, because it's not only the obvious physical changes being blocked, but also cognitive development that occurs during puberty.

I'm a little light on the facts:

- Docs can prescribe blockers even if the FDA hasn't directly been asked and approved for an alternate use?
- How long have we've been using blockers specifically for gender dysphoria? Is this kinda a new-ish thing?
- How old can the kids be to receive such a treatment? I assume parents need to approve?

And yeah, I can totally see the slippery slope of whether messing around with cognitive developments cloud or clear the decision making capabilities going forward. The whole thing seems messy at best.

It is extremely common for drugs to be used off label in the US. If a drug is being prescribed for its intended use, and a particular side effect is noticed, and it is one that is seen as beneficial in treating something else, then doctors will start prescribing it. New drugs need FDA approval, once they have that approval for an intended treatment, then using them for other things is legal. It's also considered off label for medication to be prescribed in dosages not part of the original FDA trials. I think it is illegal for drug manufacturers to promote the usage of approved drugs in an off label manner, though.  Probably why you don't see commercials for "puberty blockers".

An example of a drug commonly prescribed off label - Gabapentin is FDA approved to treat seizures, but is often prescribed to treat hot flashes, anxiety, and restless leg syndrome.

The idea of pubertal suppression has been kicking around since the 1990s. The FDA approved GnRH agonists for the treatment of precocious puberty in 1993. They became widely used to block puberty in dysphoric teens around 2015 or so.

Blockers are usually prescribed at Tanner stage 2, so it's not an age it's when certain sex characteristics begin to develop.  I think, at the moment, you still need parental approval in every state in the US, but I know Washington state is working on a bill that would make it legal to offer treatment without parental consent. Also, I think there are several states where you only need the consent of one parent, and the dissenting parent has a great chance of losing access to their kid altogether if they try to stop the treatment. (bunch of legal stuff I don't feel like looking up at the moment)

The entire notion of informed consent needs to be examined in this line of treatment. Can an 11 or 12 yr old really understand the consequences? Are the clinics being sure to tell them in ways they can understand about what they will lose? Most of the kids I read online think they will have the puberty of the opposite sex once they start taking hormones, but that just isn't the case. Everyone thinks the only thing going on in puberty is getting hair, boobs, balls, etc. Just the stuff we can see. So much more happens! 
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #447 on: May 07, 2023, 11:27:00 PM »
The FDA process does take time, yes. Hormone blockers are often used off-label. You can use things off label when they have been found to be safe and effective. "Oh I wish someone would be in charge of deciding if this is safe" "Oh nevermind, they disagree with me." is what I'm hearing from a lot of this.

Its pretty common and reasonable to use drugs for off label purposes. More than this, the relevant experts are pretty much in agreement. Its politics and overreach that seem to be muddying this up.

What exactly do you think is happening? Do you think doctors are going around being like "ha ha, let's turn your boys into girls, that will throw you through a loop?" 
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #448 on: May 08, 2023, 06:09:54 AM »
Other countries, such as Sweden, France, Norway, Finland, and the UK have found them to not be safe and effective. These countries do not have the same profit motive that the US does. Their relevant experts disagree with our relevant experts, but the US media still claim all the experts agree. They don't even all agree in the US, but the ones who do disagree are not given a voice. Or they don't want to deal with the backlash and the potential loss of employment.

It is politics muddying this up. The conservatives are going too far (imo), but the progressives are lying about all this stuff, too.

Yes, drugs are commonly used off label. I made a whole post about it right before yours. It doesn't mean it is always a good thing! Or that we shouldn't be concerned when it appears to be causing harm. Real data driven research is needed. If you really examine the studies that back affirmative care you will see how shoddy they are. Heck, go to the American Academy of Pediatrics and actually read the studies they use to justify this line of treatment.

I think many doctors trust the same experts you do. They are human, they can get caught up in something just like the rest of us. The ones I think are predatory are the plastic surgeons. Just look up how much all those surgeries cost, how much revisions cost, how much the hospitals make off them. Then if you have the stomach for it, look up the botched surgeries. You expect a few, because that happens in any kind of surgery, but this is something else.

The media desperately tries to paint this issue as left vs right but it really isn't.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/05/trans-poll-gop-politics-laws/

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #449 on: May 15, 2023, 05:18:08 PM »
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