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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #390 on: April 20, 2023, 07:08:55 AM »
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According to the internet, the Florida Dept of Agriculture and Consumer Services inspects all rides at parks that employ fewer than 1,000 people. The large amusement parks have their own specialized full time inspectors. I think there are special rules for the big parks, like they have to have a trained engineer inspector for specific permanent rides, or something similar.

I wonder how this responsibility was given to the Dept of Agriculture, but probably because of all the county fairs, which always have livestock shows and auctions. Then the rides became more important than the farm aspect, and someone had to keep an eye on safety.

Maybe more because of the consumer services part than the agriculture part?
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #391 on: April 20, 2023, 09:42:52 AM »
It is with the Department of Labor in Tennessee, tied in with boiler inspectors and elevator inspectors.  Thought they were originally with Commerce and Insurance before they were moved.  They are in a weird place where they don't quite fit in with the stated mission of just about any department but someone needs to house them.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #392 on: April 20, 2023, 11:00:28 AM »


With this law, when they will be sentenced to death for pedophilia, perverts such as Obama, Clintons, Davis and jackblack will not be able to evade death by a single vote. The Man among man paved the way for them to hell!

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #393 on: April 20, 2023, 11:12:31 AM »
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With this law, when they will be sentenced to death for pedophilia, perverts such as Obama, Clintons, Davis and jackblack will not be able to evade death by a single vote. The Man among man paved the way for them to hell!

Read it again.
Pay attention to the word unanimous.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #394 on: April 20, 2023, 11:13:35 AM »
Not even in Florida do they sentence pedophiles to death.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #395 on: April 20, 2023, 11:41:25 AM »
Quote from: wise on April 20, 2023, 11:00:28 AM


With this law, when they will be sentenced to death for pedophilia, perverts such as Obama, Clintons, Davis and jackblack will not be able to evade death by a single vote. The Man among man paved the way for them to hell!

This is a terrible law. Our justice system requires a unanimous vote for a very good reason. It errs on the side of mercy and caution because justice is always terrifyingly close to crossing the line to tyrrany.   
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #396 on: April 20, 2023, 11:44:03 AM »
I agree, I think the bar should be set very high for sentencing someone to death.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #397 on: April 20, 2023, 01:16:07 PM »
especially if it's a guy just doing it to get into tia carrere's pants.

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #398 on: April 20, 2023, 03:16:27 PM »


Another reminder that Rebekah Jones is not a good hombre.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #399 on: April 20, 2023, 03:34:59 PM »
BAAHAHAHi hope the nick name 'meatball' is going to stick
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #400 on: April 20, 2023, 04:00:55 PM »
Trump already tried to make that his nickname. Now he posts Ron DeSanctus, which also doesn't seem to be sticking.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #401 on: April 21, 2023, 12:15:52 AM »
Quote from: Crouton on April 20, 2023, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: wise on April 20, 2023, 11:00:28 AM


With this law, when they will be sentenced to death for pedophilia, perverts such as Obama, Clintons, Davis and jackblack will not be able to evade death by a single vote. The Man among man paved the way for them to hell!

This is a terrible law. Our justice system requires a unanimous vote for a very good reason. It errs on the side of mercy and caution because justice is always terrifyingly close to crossing the line to tyrrany.   

Read it again.
It says 'a unanimous jury' should snot be sabotaged by one vote.
Basically he's saying that if the jury is unanimous then it shouldn't be dismissed if one jurer votes nay.  Which they didn't do since its unanimous.

Its like saying 'if everyone votes for pizza, we won't allow the one person who didn't vote for pizza(who doesn't exist) to make us order burgers.

If the jury is unanimous then there will never be a jury member voting against.  So he's trying to block something that can't happen anyway.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #402 on: April 21, 2023, 02:06:49 AM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on April 20, 2023, 04:00:55 PM
Trump already tried to make that his nickname. Now he posts Ron DeSanctus, which also doesn't seem to be sticking.

Trump will just keep making up nicknames until he gets one that sticks,  personally I like "Pudding Fingers".

On the other hand,  DeSantis seems to have a remarkably fragile ego, so it wouldn't take much to wind him up.

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #403 on: April 21, 2023, 02:28:36 AM »
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Quote from: Space Cowgirl on April 20, 2023, 04:00:55 PM
Trump already tried to make that his nickname. Now he posts Ron DeSanctus, which also doesn't seem to be sticking.

Trump will just keep making up nicknames until he gets one that sticks,  personally I like "Pudding Fingers".

On the other hand,  DeSantis seems to have a remarkably fragile ego, so it wouldn't take much to wind him up.

Imagine the primary debate between two fragile egos....
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #404 on: April 21, 2023, 05:30:35 AM »
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With this law, when they will be sentenced to death for pedophilia, perverts such as Obama, Clintons, Davis and jackblack will not be able to evade death by a single vote. The Man among man paved the way for them to hell!

This is a terrible law. Our justice system requires a unanimous vote for a very good reason. It errs on the side of mercy and caution because justice is always terrifyingly close to crossing the line to tyrrany.   

Read it again.
It says 'a unanimous jury' should snot be sabotaged by one vote.
Basically he's saying that if the jury is unanimous then it shouldn't be dismissed if one jurer votes nay.  Which they didn't do since its unanimous.

Its like saying 'if everyone votes for pizza, we won't allow the one person who didn't vote for pizza(who doesn't exist) to make us order burgers.

If the jury is unanimous then there will never be a jury member voting against.  So he's trying to block something that can't happen anyway.


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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #405 on: April 21, 2023, 07:29:16 AM »
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With this law, when they will be sentenced to death for pedophilia, perverts such as Obama, Clintons, Davis and jackblack will not be able to evade death by a single vote. The Man among man paved the way for them to hell!

This is a terrible law. Our justice system requires a unanimous vote for a very good reason. It errs on the side of mercy and caution because justice is always terrifyingly close to crossing the line to tyrrany.   

Read it again.
It says 'a unanimous jury' should snot be sabotaged by one vote.
Basically he's saying that if the jury is unanimous then it shouldn't be dismissed if one jurer votes nay.  Which they didn't do since its unanimous.

Its like saying 'if everyone votes for pizza, we won't allow the one person who didn't vote for pizza(who doesn't exist) to make us order burgers.

If the jury is unanimous then there will never be a jury member voting against.  So he's trying to block something that can't happen anyway.
It's two separate jury votes.  The first is the unanimous vote to convict, which is still present.  The second is the vote for the death penalty, prior to this legislation it had to be unanimous, now it can be an 8-4 vote in favor of the death penalty.  This is a terrible law as there should be no questions when you are talking about taking someone's life.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #406 on: April 21, 2023, 07:56:25 AM »
Yeah, I don't get it. They are two different votes, conviction and penalty. You need a unanimous jury to convict and I've assumed you also need a unanimous jury for a specified penalty. So the new law is that you no longer need a unanimous vote on s specific penalty? How does that work?

And for the record, according to wikipedia, capital punishment in Florida is only for murder, with 16 types of, I guess, caveats, e,g,:

8. It was especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel.
9. It was committed in a cold, calculated, and premeditated manner without any pretense of moral or legal justification.
etc.

With this last bit:

Florida statute also provides the death penalty for capital drug trafficking and discharging or using a destructive device causing death. A provision for capital sexual battery was found unconstitutional in the 2008 U.S. Supreme Court case Kennedy v. Louisiana. No one is on death row in the United States for drug trafficking.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #407 on: April 21, 2023, 08:50:47 AM »
This could have an unintended side effect. Now any juror knows that the death penalty is likely to follow any conviction of a capital offense. They may just vote not guilty more often.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #408 on: April 21, 2023, 09:16:37 AM »
Yeah I could see that. In jury instrux it would go something like this, "You must be unanimous in your vote to convict. However, if a unanimous conviction vote is achieved you need not be unanimous in your penalty vote, up to and including the death penalty."

During a trial, one might feel someone is guilty but not feel the person should be killed. They might back away from a Yes vote in the conviction phase to safeguard that notion.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #409 on: April 21, 2023, 10:07:01 AM »
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With this law, when they will be sentenced to death for pedophilia, perverts such as Obama, Clintons, Davis and jackblack will not be able to evade death by a single vote. The Man among man paved the way for them to hell!

This is a terrible law. Our justice system requires a unanimous vote for a very good reason. It errs on the side of mercy and caution because justice is always terrifyingly close to crossing the line to tyrrany.   

Read it again.
It says 'a unanimous jury' should snot be sabotaged by one vote.
Basically he's saying that if the jury is unanimous then it shouldn't be dismissed if one jurer votes nay.  Which they didn't do since its unanimous.

Its like saying 'if everyone votes for pizza, we won't allow the one person who didn't vote for pizza(who doesn't exist) to make us order burgers.

If the jury is unanimous then there will never be a jury member voting against.  So he's trying to block something that can't happen anyway.
It's two separate jury votes.  The first is the unanimous vote to convict, which is still present.  The second is the vote for the death penalty, prior to this legislation it had to be unanimous, now it can be an 8-4 vote in favor of the death penalty.  This is a terrible law as there should be no questions when you are talking about taking someone's life.

Really?
I thought the judge did the sentencing.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #410 on: April 21, 2023, 10:20:43 AM »
Quote from: wise on April 20, 2023, 11:00:28 AM


With this law, when they will be sentenced to death for pedophilia, perverts such as Obama, Clintons, Davis and jackblack will not be able to evade death by a single vote. The Man among man paved the way for them to hell!


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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #411 on: April 24, 2023, 06:22:45 AM »
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With this law, when they will be sentenced to death for pedophilia, perverts such as Obama, Clintons, Davis and jackblack will not be able to evade death by a single vote. The Man among man paved the way for them to hell!

This is a terrible law. Our justice system requires a unanimous vote for a very good reason. It errs on the side of mercy and caution because justice is always terrifyingly close to crossing the line to tyrrany.   

Read it again.
It says 'a unanimous jury' should snot be sabotaged by one vote.
Basically he's saying that if the jury is unanimous then it shouldn't be dismissed if one jurer votes nay.  Which they didn't do since its unanimous.

Its like saying 'if everyone votes for pizza, we won't allow the one person who didn't vote for pizza(who doesn't exist) to make us order burgers.

If the jury is unanimous then there will never be a jury member voting against.  So he's trying to block something that can't happen anyway.
It's two separate jury votes.  The first is the unanimous vote to convict, which is still present.  The second is the vote for the death penalty, prior to this legislation it had to be unanimous, now it can be an 8-4 vote in favor of the death penalty.  This is a terrible law as there should be no questions when you are talking about taking someone's life.

Really?
I thought the judge did the sentencing.
In most cases yes, but not when it comes to capital punishment.  This is likely so that sentencing to death isn't the in the hands of a single person.  The jury for the sentencing may also not be the same jury for the trial.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #412 on: April 27, 2023, 09:13:00 AM »
"Ron DeSantis says Disney lawsuit a political stunt with no merit"

Adding "How dare they?   Political stunts with no merit are my thing!"
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #413 on: May 03, 2023, 03:19:30 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/02/ron-desantis-disney-lawsuit-wokeness-donald-trump-2024/

Summary:
Disney lawyers are gonna use Ron DeSantis's own memoirs as a defense.  In them, he clearly states how he's attacking Disney due to their opinion on his law and no other reason.  Aka: violation of first amendment rights.  It also says that he plans to do it to more places if he was president.

The man is as dumb as Trump.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #414 on: May 03, 2023, 07:07:17 AM »
DeSantis  should just skip these intermediate steps and go straight to banning woke corporations from operating in Florida.
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« Reply #415 on: May 03, 2023, 07:13:44 AM »
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DeSantis  should just skip these intermediate steps and go straight to banning woke corporations from operating in Florida.

He'd have to define woke.  No one can define woke.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #416 on: May 03, 2023, 07:15:28 AM »
I define it as phony pretense of caring about social issues. Like corporate rainbow washing during Pride.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #417 on: May 03, 2023, 07:18:16 AM »
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I define it as phony pretense of caring about social issues. Like corporate rainbow washing during Pride.

Now, how would you prove that in court?  Its like proving defamation.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #418 on: May 03, 2023, 07:30:50 AM »
I won't have to prove it in court. You said no one can define "woke" so I defined it.

Anyway, you are the one fantasizing about DeSantis banning woke corporations from the state of Florida, which he isn't going to do. Corporations are free to signal their fake allegiance to any cause they like.

The more interesting Ron DeSantis news, imo, is that he has put the death penalty on the table for child rapists. This is something the Supreme Court has already rejected, so the showdown should be interesting. Even if he loses, I suspect this move will get him more supporters. Just in time to run for president? idk.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #419 on: May 03, 2023, 07:38:27 AM »
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I won't have to prove it in court. You said no one can define "woke" so I defined it.
Fair but then your definition fails the test of say.... A school teacher who talks about transgender people.  They're called woke.

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Anyway, you are the one fantasizing about DeSantis banning woke corporations from the state of Florida, which he isn't going to do. Corporations are free to signal their fake allegiance to any cause they like.
Am I?  I don't recall but feel free to correct me as my memory sucks.

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The more interesting Ron DeSantis news, imo, is that he has put the death penalty on the table for child rapists. This is something the Supreme Court has already rejected, so the showdown should be interesting. Even if he loses, I suspect this move will get him more supporters. Just in time to run for president? idk.
I disagree with this.  I prefer my child rapists to live a long, healthy life full of pain and suffering.  Constant prison rapes, solitary confinement, bad food, etc...
Death is a release, not a punishment.
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