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Why do you support Ron DeSantis?

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #360 on: April 17, 2023, 09:39:48 AM »
Any man who can make pudding a political weapon, is a man who needs some more pudding.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #361 on: April 17, 2023, 06:52:05 PM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65305166

Pudding Ron is really flailing in this mess he's created for himself.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #362 on: April 17, 2023, 10:23:39 PM »
Quote from: Crouton on April 17, 2023, 06:52:05 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65305166

Pudding Ron is really flailing in this mess he's created for himself.

But the new board has since said Disney had sidestepped its authority with a last-minute deal, which gives the corporation near total control over development in the district in perpetuity or until "21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England".
On Monday, Mr DeSantis said there were a "plethora" of legal problems with that deal and the board would formally declare it invalid at a meeting this week.

Say what now?

Not often I agree with DeSantis, but he may have a point here.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #363 on: April 18, 2023, 12:54:03 AM »
Ron DeSantis...
Outsmarted by Disney, a Woke company. 
His response?  Putting rapists and child predators closer to children.

Do you really want him running the country?
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #364 on: April 18, 2023, 02:55:44 AM »
For those who care...

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #365 on: April 18, 2023, 02:59:57 AM »
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For those who care...



haha, literally JUST finished watching that one
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #366 on: April 18, 2023, 07:14:19 AM »
How can the new board just claim the previous agreement is invalid and that be the case?  Seems like that would need to go through the courts instead of a board action.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #367 on: April 18, 2023, 08:18:54 AM »
Quote from: DuckDodgers on April 18, 2023, 07:14:19 AM
How can the new board just claim the previous agreement is invalid and that be the case?  Seems like that would need to go through the courts instead of a board action.

Only if the legality is not obvious.
Ie. If the contract is in direct violation of the law, its void.
But if it MIGHT be in violation, and both sides disagree, then yes, to court it will go.


The key tell from DeSantis is that he said "next week" which means they haven't found a rule invalidating it yet.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #368 on: April 18, 2023, 08:29:02 AM »
Quote from: Unconvinced on April 17, 2023, 10:23:39 PM
Quote from: Crouton on April 17, 2023, 06:52:05 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65305166

Pudding Ron is really flailing in this mess he's created for himself.

But the new board has since said Disney had sidestepped its authority with a last-minute deal, which gives the corporation near total control over development in the district in perpetuity or until "21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England".
On Monday, Mr DeSantis said there were a "plethora" of legal problems with that deal and the board would formally declare it invalid at a meeting this week.

Say what now?

Not often I agree with DeSantis, but he may have a point here.

I look forward to hearing what exactly this plethora includes. This change of the board rules happened some time ago. I would think any legal problems should have been discovered by now.

Big picture though, what's going on here is the governor of Florida is using the power of the state to harass and alienate the state's largest employer for being too woke.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #369 on: April 18, 2023, 11:04:32 AM »
Quote from: Lorddave on April 18, 2023, 12:54:03 AM
Ron DeSantis...
Outsmarted by Disney, a Woke company. 
His response?  Putting rapists and child predators closer to children.

Do you really want him running the country?

What is that about? (the bit I bolded) I haven't been keeping up with all the Disney stuff.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #370 on: April 18, 2023, 11:11:24 AM »
Slightly hyperbolic. It was a reference to DeSantis brainstorming ways to harass Disney. One of his ideas was building a prison right next to Disney world.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #371 on: April 18, 2023, 11:16:59 AM »
I suppose that is a bit less disturbing than sending them into the schools to twerk.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #372 on: April 18, 2023, 11:33:05 AM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on April 18, 2023, 11:04:32 AM
Quote from: Lorddave on April 18, 2023, 12:54:03 AM
Ron DeSantis...
Outsmarted by Disney, a Woke company. 
His response?  Putting rapists and child predators closer to children.

Do you really want him running the country?

What is that about? (the bit I bolded) I haven't been keeping up with all the Disney stuff.

What Crouton said.
I wanted it to sound like a plausable political ad.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #373 on: April 18, 2023, 11:39:09 AM »
It doesn't necessarily have to be a prison for rapists. It could be a prison for people breaking Florida's anti-woke laws. So a lot of people with blue hair.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #374 on: April 18, 2023, 01:32:25 PM »
Aren't they the same thing to conservatives?
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #375 on: April 18, 2023, 03:12:16 PM »
Sometimes they are the same thing, but we shouldn't notice.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #376 on: April 19, 2023, 06:27:06 AM »
I will say, DeSantis has one idea in the right direction, the Disney rides should be subject to state amusement ride inspectors.  Whether that is the inspectors actually conducting the inspection or it's a 3rd party coming in to perform the inspection.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #377 on: April 19, 2023, 06:36:29 AM »
My understanding on how large amusement parks got that exemption is that the expertise required to inspect those rides is hard to come by. So as long as they're self policing effectively then everything is fine.

Not great reasoning in my opinion. That's how we get train derailing events. So I'm okay with this move though they will have to apply it to every large amusement park in that state.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #378 on: April 19, 2023, 07:00:00 AM »
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by forcing people to watch gays on the tv normalizes their flamboyance.
No one is forced to watch homosexuality on TV.


even though disney is a mega mega media corp that owns everything, somehow ol man jackblack has avoided the wokeness





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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #379 on: April 19, 2023, 08:11:56 AM »
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My understanding on how large amusement parks got that exemption is that the expertise required to inspect those rides is hard to come by. So as long as they're self policing effectively then everything is fine.

Not great reasoning in my opinion. That's how we get train derailing events. So I'm okay with this move though they will have to apply it to every large amusement park in that state.

While I can agree, I also know that Disney is way too big to skimp on safety. 

Plus, DeSantis is the kinda guy who would send an inspector to "find" problems to shutdown half the rides just because he can.
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« Reply #380 on: April 19, 2023, 08:46:19 AM »
Possible but sort of difficult. This whole thing is very misguided. DeSantis's problem is really with corporate Disney, which is in California so he has no control over it. But he can harass Disney world. The problem there is Disney world is Florida's largest employer. Any harm done to them also harms Florida's tax revenue and jobs. If they make things difficult for Disney then they'll probably start planning future projects in places other than Florida.

Best case for DeSantis I guess would be corporate Disney becomes less woke and, I don't know, stop putting people of color in their movies or something.

I think there' s something conservatives don't understand about Disney. They're a business. Any perceived "wokeness" is not an attempt to push some sort of ideology on the public. It's just Disney attempting to match the average sensibilities of their audience. Kind of similar to how Fox News operates except Disney acknowledges that it's fiction.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #381 on: April 19, 2023, 09:44:33 AM »
my kids watch Lion Guard

constantly telling henyas jackals crocs to fall in line
get back to the outlands
labels the 'dark' animals as naturally violent and trouble makers

and the blond lion is nepotized by birthrighted to be the leader with super powers

no token gay animals so far.



yes
very woke.




disney owns abcnews
what kind of wioke msm grooming does abc have?

i cant think of any abc news talking head

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/abc-news-layoffs-executives-disney-restructure-1235568713/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/abc-news-layoffs-senior-producers-cut-disney-layoffs-1235363886/



ooohooo foxnews:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/disneys-abc-news-plagued-death-scandals-public-relations-nightmares
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #382 on: April 19, 2023, 09:47:30 AM »
If Disney was doing a bad job inspecting their rides, we'd all know about it. I'm not saying they shouldn't have outside inspections, but obviously they are doing something right. I think Busch Gardens does their own inspections, too. My brother worked on ride maintenance at Busch Gardens for years. The stories he told made me not want to ride any rides. lol
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #383 on: April 19, 2023, 10:05:54 AM »
I wonder if they will apply the Tyre Sampson Act to Disney? Or try to. idk https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/tyre-sampson-act-florida-lawmakers-discuss-ride-safety-bill

I do agree that rides need specialists to inspect them, but I suppose a general inspection by the state now and then would also be a good idea. I know the maintenance crews at Busch Gardens inspect their rides every morning before the park opens, I can't see a state inspector doing that job every day.

People dying or being injured on rides is bad for business.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #384 on: April 19, 2023, 10:13:48 AM »
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People dying or being injured on rides is bad for business.

Not necessarily.

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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #385 on: April 19, 2023, 12:39:53 PM »
I remember crazy little theme parks. I think deathtraps were more fun in the 80s.
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« Reply #387 on: April 19, 2023, 06:54:14 PM »
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People dying or being injured on rides is bad for business.

Not necessarily.



My dad went all the time back in the "glory" days of Action Park. A few years ago, he took me. Some things have changed, some haven't. Good fun though!
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #388 on: April 20, 2023, 06:25:44 AM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on April 19, 2023, 10:05:54 AM
I wonder if they will apply the Tyre Sampson Act to Disney? Or try to. idk https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/tyre-sampson-act-florida-lawmakers-discuss-ride-safety-bill

I do agree that rides need specialists to inspect them, but I suppose a general inspection by the state now and then would also be a good idea. I know the maintenance crews at Busch Gardens inspect their rides every morning before the park opens, I can't see a state inspector doing that job every day.

People dying or being injured on rides is bad for business.
I'm not sure if Florida operates in the same way as Tennessee in this regard, but Tennessee has amusement ride inspectors whose sole job is to inspect rides.  In order for a ride to operate in TN, it has to have been inspected by either a state inspector or a certified 3rd party before operation and again on a yearly basis (I believe).  These inspectors get regular training on amusement devices.  I could see Disney and Busch Gardens being exempt from state inspectors if they are submitting 3rd party inspections to the state for their operating license, which could very well be happening for all I know.  It's always good to get an extra set of eyes on the ride every now and then to try to catch something that might get overlooked by someone looking it over daily.
And all that to say, that is literally the only thing that has come out of DeSantis's mouth that has made even remote sense.  I truly don't know how this whole Disney debacle hasn't led to calls from within the state for him to resign due to abuse of power, but has instead caused people to flock to him.
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Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?
« Reply #389 on: April 20, 2023, 06:50:44 AM »
According to the internet, the Florida Dept of Agriculture and Consumer Services inspects all rides at parks that employ fewer than 1,000 people. The large amusement parks have their own specialized full time inspectors. I think there are special rules for the big parks, like they have to have a trained engineer inspector for specific permanent rides, or something similar.

I wonder how this responsibility was given to the Dept of Agriculture, but probably because of all the county fairs, which always have livestock shows and auctions. Then the rides became more important than the farm aspect, and someone had to keep an eye on safety.

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