What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #90 on: June 17, 2022, 09:24:19 PM »
This would be like you had seen a car speeding by, and took photos of it, with an 'out of focus camera', which showed the car appearing to bounce on it's back tires, and flip into mid-air, with wings flapping out of it's doors, but never mentioning it to anyone else, and never showing your photos to anyone else!

Except stars are much more spectacular than THAT would be, millions of them all show MORE amazing 'effects', and all different effects from other stars, too!

Not worth mentioning that, just say that they 'twinkle', right?


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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #91 on: June 17, 2022, 09:53:22 PM »
Prove that any 'out of focus' camera could ever make each star look and move differently from one another
Why don't you prove it can't?
You seem to want us to just blindly accept that meteors are really magical fireworks, with no evidence at all; but now, with a clearly out of focus shot you want us to prove it is out of focus?
You want to just reject any video that shows you are wrong, even though you cannot show any fault with it, but now you want us to just blindly accept this footage as rock solid proof that your fantasy is correct?
You sure do love just asserting whatever BS you want, with no concern for the truth.


They never said stars would appear like that, from an 'out of focus camera', either!
Probably because they thought people would have to be pretty dumb to not realise it is out of focus.


This is literally labelled as "out of focus stars"


This shows a star both in focus and out of focus. Notice how when it is in focus it appears as a small point, but when out of focus it appears much larger and has strange patterns?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #92 on: June 17, 2022, 10:53:23 PM »

This is literally labelled as "out of focus stars"


This shows a star both in focus and out of focus. Notice how when it is in focus it appears as a small point, but when out of focus it appears much larger and has strange patterns?

I'd like you to show me ANY LIGHT ON EARTH, which creates such magical effects, from an out of focus camera.

There must be ALL SORTS of examples of it happening before, right? Not just for every star above Earth, they're just 'tiny points of light', when in focus, aren't they?

If they're just tiny points of light, we'd see ALL SORTS of magical effects from 'out of focus' lights, right here on Earth, that's for sure!

Can you replicate such effects with a light, and out of focus camera, or is it all BS, like usual?

The star shows fine details which are NOT blurry.

When a camera is out of focus, everything is blurred, not in sharp detail, as we see here.


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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #93 on: June 17, 2022, 11:23:39 PM »
I'd like you to show me
And I would like you to address the point.
You have been shown a star being both in focus and out of focus.
Notice how when it is out of focus, it shows the crap you are appealing to?

So if you want to claim that is how stars actually appear, prove the stars are in focus.

ANY LIGHT ON EARTH, which creates such magical effects, from an out of focus camera.
There must be ALL SORTS of examples of it happening before, right?
How many lights on Earth are viewed through 100 km of atmosphere?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2022, 12:26:21 AM »
Why do you think planes fly at 60000 feet? Because it has far LESS atmosphere, or air, than at lower altitudes, near the Earth's surface. Even YOU must know that much, don't you?

That's why they put observatories on tops of hills or mountains, there's less air to obscure views.

The atmosphere is thinner at higher altitudes. Nice try, anyway.



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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2022, 01:22:40 AM »
Why do you think planes fly at 60000 feet?
Do you mean 35000 to 40000 feet?

Yes, the atmosphere is less dense up there, but it is still there.
If it wasn't, they would fall as there would be nothing to provide the lift they need to fly.

But yet again you just dodge the point.

You were provided footage clearly showing it is a result of not focusing on the star.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #96 on: June 18, 2022, 01:44:46 AM »
I'd like you to show me ANY LIGHT ON EARTH, which creates such magical effects, from an out of focus camera.
I'd like you to actually look through a telescope.  Why not see for yourself instead of being so gullible as to believe a single YouTube troll video?

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #97 on: June 18, 2022, 01:49:55 AM »
Why do you think planes fly at 60000 feet?

60,000 ft? Why do you literally make things up which you know are wrong?

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #98 on: June 18, 2022, 02:44:41 AM »
Why do you think planes fly at 60000 feet?

60,000 ft? Why do you literally make things up which you know are wrong?

Troll or retarted?  Or he found the 60k value in a YouTube video.

Can you show your source for this, turbo?

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #99 on: June 18, 2022, 03:40:28 AM »
Why do you think planes fly at 60000 feet?

60,000 ft? Why do you literally make things up which you know are wrong?

Troll or retarted?  Or he found the 60k value in a YouTube video.

Can you show your source for this, turbo?

The Concorde used to fly at 60,000ft when it was in service but the ceiling height for commercial aircraft is around 42,000ft

Took the Dark Star in Microsoft Flight Simulator for a spin and got that up to 275,000ft 8)

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #100 on: June 18, 2022, 04:05:03 AM »
Why do you think planes fly at 60000 feet?
Do you mean 35000 to 40000 feet?

Yes, the atmosphere is less dense up there, but it is still there.
If it wasn't, they would fall as there would be nothing to provide the lift they need to fly.

But yet again you just dodge the point.

You were provided footage clearly showing it is a result of not focusing on the star.

Out of focus cameras do NOT create such magical effects, nor does our atmosphere create such effects, nor do both of those absurd excuses as one, create such effects.

Because they are NOT 'effects', there's NOTHING that could 'create' them.

I've asked you to show just ONE previous example of this, and you made up another excuse, about how much more 'atmosphere' there is for seeing stars, which is also BS, and even if it wasn't BS, it doesn't create magical effects, anyway.

When you see stars look like tiny points of light, you believe they are in focus, but it's all a trick, a ruse.

They first told us, over and over again, that all the stars are trillions of miles away from Earth.
Then they told us that all stars will look like tiny points of light from the Earth, no matter how much they're magnified with instruments.

You believe all of that is the truth, just because they said so, without any proof of it, just like you always do.

So now, you believe anything ELSE stars look like, other than tiny points of light, cannot be true, or real. There must be something causing it, or two things causing it, since you 'know' stars all look like 'tiny points of light' from Earth, when 'in focus'.

This has convinced that all of this must be due to 'out of focus cameras', and/or due to 'atmospheric effects', or both of them.

I've told you that out of focus cameras cannot create such effects, nor can our atmosphere.

Nothing AT ALL can create such effects on ANY object, let alone for millions of stars! All stars would look the same, if it even WAS possible, to begin with.

Nothing even comes CLOSE to excusing it, and never will. What we see, is reality, and is so beautiful, it's a shame when others cannot see it.

Of course, nobody can ever convince you that stars are very CLOSE to Earth, and are small, which allows them to trick everyone they are huge, and far away.

So now, when we finally can SEE stars, close up, it shows they ARE close, and small, and stunning to see up close!

That's the very reason they told us what all stars look like when magnified - the very same tiny points of light, far, far away from Earth, in 'space', same as we've always seen, by eye!

Then they told us HOW to 'properly' see the stars, through a telescope, etc.

They said that 'space', where all stars are within, is very, very dark, black, without light. And since stars are so far away, within the vast, dark of 'space', we must first allow all external light into our telescopes, and cameras, to help us see the stars 'properly, optimally' within the black of space.

Among other things, we must turn OFF automatic focus on our instruments, because they don't work to see the stars with, unlike all OTHER objects can!

What happens with all those settings, is that the stars all appear as bright, fuzzy, OUT OF FOCUS lights, which you 'know' they all are, so you then 'put them INTO focus', which is to sharpen the light, around the edges of it.


When you begin with all those assumptions being true, that's what you'll always get.

Sad, indeed.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #101 on: June 18, 2022, 04:12:22 AM »
Out of focus cameras do NOT create such magical effects
There is nothing magical about it. You were provided an example of an out of focus camera providing those effects.

I've asked you to show just ONE previous example of this
And I provided this, with a star.

If you want to disagree, then you go find long distance shots of lights going in and out of focus and see what it looks like.
Until then, I will dismiss the crap you have provided as out of focus.

You believe all of that is the truth, just because they said so, without any proof of it, just like you always do.
You sure do love your fantasies don't you?

I've told you that
You have told me lots of things which are pure BS.
And that is really your problem, you continually assert pure BS with no justification at all.
You "telling" me something is worthless.
Justify your claims.


Do you even understand how focus works?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #102 on: June 18, 2022, 04:59:47 AM »

If you want to disagree, then you go find long distance shots of lights going in and out of focus and see what it looks like.
Until then, I will dismiss the crap you have provided as out of focus.


I'm not the one claiming it's caused by 'out of focus' cameras, YOU are!

Until YOU show me any valid example of it, I certainly WILL dismiss it as crap.

It's crap YOU claimed, with no proof, yet again.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #103 on: June 18, 2022, 05:10:02 AM »
I'm not the one claiming
You are the one claiming they are in focus views of stars.

I have provided footage showing a star going in and out of focus, showing the crap you have presented is caused by it being out of focus.

You are the one claiming focus could never cause such a thing.

So the burden rests on you.

Until YOU show me any valid example of it, I certainly WILL dismiss your claims as crap.

It's crap YOU claimed, with no proof, yet again. Just like all the crap you have claimed on this site.

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #104 on: June 18, 2022, 05:34:18 AM »
I'm not the one claiming
You are the one claiming they are in focus views of stars.

I have provided footage showing a star going in and out of focus, showing the crap you have presented is caused by it being out of focus.

You are the one claiming focus could never cause such a thing.

So the burden rests on you.

Until YOU show me any valid example of it, I certainly WILL dismiss your claims as crap.

It's crap YOU claimed, with no proof, yet again. Just like all the crap you have claimed on this site.

It's your BS claim, that it's caused by 'out of focus cameras', you have NO examples to support that crap, trying to twist it around is truly pathetic.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #105 on: June 18, 2022, 06:53:40 AM »
Out of focus cameras do NOT create such magical effects, nor does our atmosphere create such effects, nor do both of those absurd excuses as one, create such effects.

Because they are NOT 'effects', there's NOTHING that could 'create' them.

You have such an amazing ignorance of how cameras and lenses work that you think out of focus blurs are magic and can't be created by anything?

Wow.

Sad, indeed.

You said it!

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #106 on: June 18, 2022, 11:42:37 AM »
Why do you think planes fly at 60000 feet?

60,000 ft? Why do you literally make things up which you know are wrong?

Troll or retarted? 

I'm thinking both. It seems his parents only allow him to use the computer on weekends. Perhaps they too have realized the lack of educational absorption and limit computer time during the week to scholastic work only.

More specifically, a troll. When someone keeps making up things where a simple 5 second google search destroys it, is super troll worthy. I mean 60k flights? Hilarious. It doesn't get more trolleristic than that.
When someone purposefully skips over things they have directly asked for, not addressing them at all, then yammers on about something else, trolling level=high.

I have no idea what in-focus/out of focus stars has anything to do with anything. But here a pretty video of street lights I find soothing:



It all seems very Timmy-esque, alting about for giggles.

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #107 on: June 18, 2022, 01:31:45 PM »
Being out of focus is what we SEE as out of focus, and isn't causing stars to appear to constantly move and change shape, that is complete nonsense.
The problem is you appear to, going by your responses, to know very little about either cameras or telescopes or how they work. Your obvious confusion could easily be rectified by you taking a look through a properly set up astronomical telescope or reading about how to take photographs of the stars. If you had a mind to discover the real truth of the matter you could be put right in moments and discover just how wrong you have been.

Here is a guy who takes photographs of the night sky from his back yard.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10603357/Astronomer-captures-photos-distant-nebulas-telescope-East-Ayrshire-garden.html

Thats how stars actually look when set up properly, not when viewed through a shaky out of focus camera.

Prove that any 'out of focus' camera could ever make each star look and move differently from one another, with ANY light seen in the distance on Earth, or any airplane lights above Earth, at any distance you choose.

They've kept on telling, over and over again, that the stars 'appear to twinkle', due to our 'atmosphere', so why wouldn't they tell us that when magnified through a telescope, stars appear to move and have unique shapes, due to our 'atmosphere', too?

They never said stars would appear like that, from an 'out of focus camera', either!

No, they just kept telling us that's why stars appear to 'twinkle'! I suppose they all 'forgot' to mention all these incredible 'effects' of the stars, caused by our atmosphere, over these centuries! Good one!
You appear to not understand the difference between being out-of-focus and being beyond the resolution limit of a lens.

If something (like a star) is far enough away that its image on the image-sensing device (film or digital array or, in the case of your eye, the retina) is smaller than the resolving power of the imaging lens, the image will not even resemble the star even though the system is accurately focused on the star. 

In such a case, what you see is a tiny spot of light that is essentially the Airy Disk of the lens (look it up). And yes it visually "twinkles" because of atmospheric distortions.

It's basic optics. I know it could be hard for you.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #108 on: June 18, 2022, 02:42:18 PM »
It's your BS claim
No, it is your BS claim.
And like all of your BS claims, it is offered with no justification and no evidence.
And like all your BS claims, you just ignore the evidence provided that shows you are wrong.

Since you seemed to ignore it last time, I'll ask again:
Do you even know how focus works?

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #109 on: June 19, 2022, 04:22:48 PM »
turbonium2, I have some questions.

What are stars then, if we accept these floating fuzzy blobs to be actual images of stars? 

What causes the difference in colour?

What are the causes of their emission spectra?

What about other, easily visible celestial objects, such as nebulae, galaxies, etc? If those fuzzy blobs are stars in focus, then pinpoint stars are out of focus.  Why are galaxies, nebulae, etc in focus when stars are out of focus? 

Are only stars nearby, with other celestial phenomena being distant?  If so, then any issue with the idea of distant stars now moves to the other celestial phenomena we see.

Why does fine rain on my glasses at night cause distant lights to look pretty much identical to your in focus stars?  In a city, the distant lights even ripple and shimmer as your nearby in focus fuzzy blobs do. In fact, if I remove my glasses, all lights past 5 meters look light that.  Why?
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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #110 on: June 24, 2022, 08:06:18 PM »
turbonium2, I have some questions.

What are stars then, if we accept these floating fuzzy blobs to be actual images of stars? 

What causes the difference in colour?

What are the causes of their emission spectra?

Stars have definitive features, and depth, like in the clip I posted earlier on. That's only ONE example, countless others exist, and completely different from other stars, as I've mentioned before!

Look carefully and thoroughly at your example of lights on Earth, shot by a camera from long distance, then shot out of focus, to 'simulate' how stars appear when shot out of focus.....

The first, obvious difference, is that your lights NEVER move, or appear to move, when shot out of focus, from a distance.

Obviously, lights seen in the distance, don't bounce or jump around, from out of focus cameras, or everyone here would KNOW it, and we'd have millions of examples of it, right?

It's hard to believe you'd think those lights support your argument, but that's clearly what you believe, to present them here....

Do you ever see those lights appear to move, and if you DO, please explain HOW they move, and how they move constantly, endlessly, just like all STARS do.

What we all can see, is that they do NOT move, appear to move, as all stars do, constantly, endlessly, above Earth.

When lights are out of focus, as ONLY being lights, from any distance seen, they never appear to move around, change shapes, let alone do so, endlessly, and constantly, let alone all at high speeds, let alone unique from other stars, which also are unique from the other stars....

Lights are often very blurry, appear larger and such, from being out of focus, it's a well-known, proven feature of lights shot out of focus, they are blurred, obscure, and BLOBS of light, as you put it.....


Stars move around, endlessly, constantly, whenever seen, close up, which PROVES that stars ARE moving themselves, as it's not possible to make objects move by external means, without showing evidence of it, in some way.

Nobody needs your excuse about magical effects of our Earth's atmosphere, and it's effects, of all types, we can often PREDICT it, days before it occurs, to a degree, somewhat.

Every effect of our atmosphere is well known, from past history, examples of it, previously. Not the exact SAME one as before, none are the same, of course. But it's the same EFFECT in play, and we know it is.

When YOU keep on claiming, when THEY have been claiming it for centuries, and still do, that all the stars above Earth, are trillions of miles away from Earth, so they'll appear to be tiny points of light from the Earth, no matter how it's magnified with instruments. No instruments will ever show a star in any detail, from Earth.

I'm supposed to believe all stars move around in 'space', at great speeds, but it's hard to notice it, without 'instruments'. That's a good one. The stars ARE moving, but nobody can SEE it moving at all, by eye, only using special instruments, which nobody else HAS, of course, only they do.

They have used instruments for excuses, about how only THEY can use them, and see through them, and nobody else can, forever and ever, no matter how old and primitive it may be.

And why wouldn't they EVER tell us, among so much OTHER crap they've said, over and over again, that they KNOW why all stars appear to 'twinkle', from Earth, even if it's trillions of miles away from Earth. Because of our own 'atmosphere', they claim, which makes each and every star above Earth, when visible from Earth, appear to be 'twinkling', but it's all due to the effects of our atmosphere, and everyone knows it, as if a fact, it's just more BS claimed as being 'true'.

It's the only effect which never changes, acts eternally, constantly, but only on stars, all millions of them, and no other object, BUT those millions of stars!

Why would anyone believe that there's some magical effect, making the stars appear to 'twinkle', but nobody mentions what stars look like up close, when it's out of focus, and/or from the effect of atmosphere, too!




What about other, easily visible celestial objects, such as nebulae, galaxies, etc? If those fuzzy blobs are stars in focus, then pinpoint stars are out of focus.  Why are galaxies, nebulae, etc in focus when stars are out of focus? 

Are only stars nearby, with other celestial phenomena being distant?  If so, then any issue with the idea of distant stars now moves to the other celestial phenomena we see.


Why does fine rain on my glasses at night cause distant lights to look pretty much identical to your in focus stars?  In a city, the distant lights even ripple and shimmer as your nearby in focus fuzzy blobs do. In fact, if I remove my glasses, all lights past 5 meters look light that.  Why?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #111 on: June 24, 2022, 08:07:31 PM »
Do circles have definitive features?
What about polygons with 300,000sides?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #112 on: June 24, 2022, 09:30:39 PM »
That we have finally, for the very FIRST time ever, after centuries of being TOLD what is seen above Earth, is that the stars look much the same as by eye, as tiny points of light, just a bit LARGER than by eye alone!

We've never seen a star that does NOT appear to be moving around, endlessly, constantly, and obviously, they saw the same thing, as we do now.

Being caused by effect of atmosphere, they claimed was why stars 'twinkled'.

Why didn't they ever say that's why stars appear to be moving all the time, then?

Nobody else could SEE the stars moving all the time, except for THEM, of course.

Why would it matter if anyone else could SEE it or not, if it's the truth? To HIDE the truth, only they could see, and hide from everyone else.


It was obviousy hidden from us, deliberately, for centuries. No reason they'd not tell us about it, otherwise. Not after they told us why stars 'twinkle', as an effect of atmosphere. Why didn't they tell us why stars appeared to move all the time, from that same 'effect'?

You're now back-pedaling that same excuse, only AFTER they've finally been caught lying about it for centuries.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #113 on: June 24, 2022, 10:40:26 PM »
Who is "they"?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #114 on: June 24, 2022, 11:27:47 PM »
Who is "they"?

THEY are all of these 'astronomers', who always TOLD US what they 'saw', through their telescopes, that's who.

Lying isn't always what IS said, it is also what is NOT said.

They are guilty of BOTH, even to this very day, in fact.

If you assume they never mentioned how stars always appear to be moving, because they 'knew' it was due to an effect of atmosphere, or out of focus cameras, or both of them, that would mean they were complete morons, no clue how relevant it would be to mention in every detail, all the time, for all stars.

Anyone knows that, it's basic common sense.


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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #115 on: June 24, 2022, 11:34:41 PM »
Who is "they"?

THEY are all of these 'astronomers', who always TOLD US what they 'saw', through their telescopes, that's who.

Who are these 'astronomers'?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #116 on: June 25, 2022, 02:38:47 AM »
Who is "they"?

THEY are all of these 'astronomers', who always TOLD US what they 'saw', through their telescopes, that's who.

Who are these 'astronomers'?

Each and every one that saw stars up close, much like we can now see the stars, only far better than we can, today. They've seen this for many, many years, of course.

They never told us the truth, what they REALLY saw, which makes them all liars, not telling us the truth for all these years, and still do.


Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #117 on: June 25, 2022, 03:59:44 AM »
You appear to not understand the difference between being out-of-focus and being beyond the resolution limit of a lens.

If something (like a star) is far enough away that its image on the image-sensing device (film or digital array or, in the case of your eye, the retina) is smaller than the resolving power of the imaging lens, the image will not even resemble the star even though the system is accurately focused on the star. 

In such a case, what you see is a tiny spot of light that is essentially the Airy Disk of the lens (look it up). And yes it visually "twinkles" because of atmospheric distortions.

It's basic optics. I know it could be hard for you.

I know that out of focus cameras, and objects that cannot be resolved by cameras, being too far away, .or whatever else, doesn't make them appear to move, constantly, endlessly, that I know, as you know, and all of us know.

Admitting to it, THAT is the whole problem.....no doubt.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #118 on: June 25, 2022, 04:08:01 AM »
Who is "they"?

THEY are all of these 'astronomers', who always TOLD US what they 'saw', through their telescopes, that's who.

Lying isn't always what IS said, it is also what is NOT said.

They are guilty of BOTH, even to this very day, in fact.

If you assume they never mentioned how stars always appear to be moving, because they 'knew' it was due to an effect of atmosphere, or out of focus cameras, or both of them, that would mean they were complete morons, no clue how relevant it would be to mention in every detail, all the time, for all stars.

Anyone knows that, it's basic common sense.
So I'm part of the conspiracy?  And every professional and hobbyist astronomer I know is part of it?

You have any proof I'm lying, because I certainly know I'm not.

What is more likely, that the entire world is lying to you and trying to keep you down, or maybe YOU are the crazy one?

What if I took video of far away city lights that produced shimmering moving blurs like those 'star' videos you saw, would that convince you it was the air?  Probably not, you would at best just throw up another idiot on YouTube with a new crackpot conspiracy theory.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #119 on: June 25, 2022, 05:01:55 AM »
Stars have definitive features, and depth, like in the clip I posted earlier on.
You posted an out of focus view of some guy shakily holding a camera.

That doesn't show any features or depth of the star.

Look carefully and thoroughly at your example of lights on Earth
Or, look at the star going in and out of focus, showing that what you have provided is just out of focus garbage.

Obviously, lights seen in the distance, don't bounce or jump around, from out of focus cameras
How far in the distance?

Most people don't take extreme long distance shots.

Again, if you want to claim such a thing, prove it.
Go take a extreme long distance shot of a light, way in the distance, showing it go in and out of focus.

Stars move around, endlessly, constantly, whenever seen, close up, which PROVES that stars ARE moving themselves
So if I look at a stationary object through a heat haze, that means it must be moving?

Every effect of our atmosphere is well known
Including how it can make stars twinkle, and things like distortions from heat haze.
That, along with the stars being out of focus, explains your videos.

but nobody mentions what stars look like up close, when it's out of focus, and/or from the effect of atmosphere, too!
Because why would anyone be foolish enough to think an out of focus star is actually in focus?
I guess they didn't expect people like you.

We've never seen a star that does NOT appear to be moving around, endlessly, constantly
Sure we have, by having it in focus.
Just because you haven't got an in focus image doesn't mean no one does.


Again, do you have anything to demonstrate that they are in focus?
Perhaps footage showing them start out of focus and then go into focus?