What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

I see your back to this tactic...evasion not answering the question. Oh well!

You sure do love your projection don't you.
You have had it explained repeatedly why I don't answer your questions, because they are nothing more than pathetic deflections away from the original point, often involving you entirely strawmanning my position.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

As I said for the umpteenth time I see no problem asking people for proof

So I'll take that as a "yes"; you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased and you are saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased.

Then why say this:

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 01:08:11 AM

It’s got nothing to do with being biased
...
I’m not disagreeing with Jack because I don’t think it’s NOT biased

After explicitly disagreeing with my statement that it is biased?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers.
Scientists do it all the time. Perform experiments where they have a good idea of what the answer is.

Do you know the difference between a scientist, and a pretend scientist that is really just following a religion?
Because you sure seem intent on pretending science is religion.

You sure are squirming to find a way out of this hole you have dug for yourself.

As I originally said I disagreed with you NOT because you were both contradictory and biased. I was disagreeing with you because….. let me remind you once more, and please pay attention:-

I said:-
They don’t have experiments because, I as said, none exist that would yield a positive result. How could they?

YOU GOT THAT?

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.

YOU GOT THAT?

I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result. How could they? It’s got nothing to do with being or showing bias one way or the other but everything to do with being impossible! Why created an experiment that will always yield a negative?

UNDERSTAND NOW?

Do you understand? I disagreed because any experiment  is an impossibility and totally futile. The FACT that you displayed  bias and contradicted your very own actions as seen in almost every post you write, that’s your problem and a clear demonstration of the twisted illogical way you think.

I’ll say again I disagreed because of the total impossibility of the exercise not because of any inherent bias shown. Your very contradictory position, well that’s is a separate issue for you yourself to work out.

The fact that you feel asking for evidence from those poor flat earthers demonstrates some kind of bias, well that’s your opinion. By your own admission however  does   that mean you will stop and refrain from continually asking them for proof?

This stupid issue is a clear demonstration on your part that you will twist, turn and distort any discussion while refusing point blank to answer any questions presented to you that will show up as the narcissist  you are.

Once more I’ll ask the question that you will no doubt evade.

Now that you have stated publicly that you feel asking flat earthers for proof is a sign of bias will you stop and refrain for ever asking a flat earth believer to supply proof?

Again, can you two stick to arguing in AR?  I know, I'm just as guilty of it. 
Yes, Timmy believes asking for proof is not being biased.
Jack says an experiment should be as close to neutral as possible or it is biased.
There, Kabool said as much a couple of days ago.  You guys are arguing over nothing, just to argue.

You are correct you are guilty of it.
And you are also correct it’s a pointless discussion.

The issue however is one of two principles.

One, Jack had publicly stated that asking for proof from a flat earther is somehow demonstrating negative bias. Does that mean he will stop and refrain for ever asking for proof again? Or will he continue  being contradictory.

Two. Jack gets away with lambasting people left right and centre displaying his belief that he had a god given right to always be right. At  any cost. This thread is yet another example of how he will twist, turn and distort any discussion to avoid admitting he is wrong.

In this case he is both wrong and contradictory. He can’t have it both ways.

Quote from: JackBlack on June 08, 2022, 02:21:13 PM

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

I see your back to this tactic...evasion not answering the question. Oh well!

You sure do love your projection don't you.
You have had it explained repeatedly why I don't answer your questions, because they are nothing more than pathetic deflections away from the original point, often involving you entirely strawmanning my position.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

As I said for the umpteenth time I see no problem asking people for proof

So I'll take that as a "yes"; you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased and you are saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased.

Then why say this:

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 01:08:11 AM

It’s got nothing to do with being biased
...
I’m not disagreeing with Jack because I don’t think it’s NOT biased

After explicitly disagreeing with my statement that it is biased?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers.
Scientists do it all the time. Perform experiments where they have a good idea of what the answer is.

Do you know the difference between a scientist, and a pretend scientist that is really just following a religion?
Because you sure seem intent on pretending science is religion.

You sure are squirming to find a way out of this hole you have dug for yourself.

As I originally said I disagreed with you NOT because you were both contradictory and biased. I was disagreeing with you because….. let me remind you once more, and please pay attention:-

I said:-
They don’t have experiments because, I as said, none exist that would yield a positive result. How could they?

YOU GOT THAT?

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.

YOU GOT THAT?

I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result. How could they? It’s got nothing to do with being biased but everything to do with being impossible! Why created an experiment that will always yield a negative?

UNDERSTAND NOW?

Do you understand? I disagreed because it is an impossibility. The FACT that you displayed both bias and contradicted your very own actions as seen in almost every post you write, that’s your problem and a clear demonstration of the twisted illogical way you think.

I’ll say again I disagreed because of the total impossibility of the exercise not because of the bias shown in your statement. That is a separate issue for you yourself to work out.

The fact that you feel asking for evidence from those poor flat earthers demonstrates bias. By your own admission. Does that mean you will stop and refrain from continually asking them for proof?

This stupid issue is a clear demonstration on your part that you will twist, turn and distort any discussion while refusing point blank to answer any questions presented to you that will show up as the narcissist  you are.

Once more I’ll ask the question that you will no doubt evade.

Now that you have stated publicly that you feel asking flat earthers for proof is a sign of bias will you stop and refrain for ever asking a flat earth believer to supply proof?

And yet you fail to understand and realize that from a purely analytical standpoint of the scientific method, meaning it doesn't matter what is already known about the earth or the impossibility of the earth being flat, the question that searches for a particular shape of the earth is biased as it sets to get a predetermined result.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:13:06 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 08, 2022, 02:21:13 PM

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

I see your back to this tactic...evasion not answering the question. Oh well!

You sure do love your projection don't you.
You have had it explained repeatedly why I don't answer your questions, because they are nothing more than pathetic deflections away from the original point, often involving you entirely strawmanning my position.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

As I said for the umpteenth time I see no problem asking people for proof

So I'll take that as a "yes"; you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased and you are saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased.

Then why say this:

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 01:08:11 AM

It’s got nothing to do with being biased
...
I’m not disagreeing with Jack because I don’t think it’s NOT biased

After explicitly disagreeing with my statement that it is biased?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers.
Scientists do it all the time. Perform experiments where they have a good idea of what the answer is.

Do you know the difference between a scientist, and a pretend scientist that is really just following a religion?
Because you sure seem intent on pretending science is religion.

You sure are squirming to find a way out of this hole you have dug for yourself.

As I originally said I disagreed with you NOT because you were both contradictory and biased. I was disagreeing with you because….. let me remind you once more, and please pay attention:-

I said:-
They don’t have experiments because, I as said, none exist that would yield a positive result. How could they?

YOU GOT THAT?

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.

YOU GOT THAT?

I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result. How could they? It’s got nothing to do with being biased but everything to do with being impossible! Why created an experiment that will always yield a negative?

UNDERSTAND NOW?

Do you understand? I disagreed because it is an impossibility. The FACT that you displayed both bias and contradicted your very own actions as seen in almost every post you write, that’s your problem and a clear demonstration of the twisted illogical way you think.

I’ll say again I disagreed because of the total impossibility of the exercise not because of the bias shown in your statement. That is a separate issue for you yourself to work out.

The fact that you feel asking for evidence from those poor flat earthers demonstrates bias. By your own admission. Does that mean you will stop and refrain from continually asking them for proof?

This stupid issue is a clear demonstration on your part that you will twist, turn and distort any discussion while refusing point blank to answer any questions presented to you that will show up as the narcissist  you are.

Once more I’ll ask the question that you will no doubt evade.

Now that you have stated publicly that you feel asking flat earthers for proof is a sign of bias will you stop and refrain for ever asking a flat earth believer to supply proof?

And yet you fail to understand and realize that from a purely analytical standpoint of the scientific method, meaning it doesn't matter what is already known about the earth or the impossibility of the earth being flat, the question that searches for a particular shape of the earth is biased as it sets to get a predetermined result.

Asking someone a question and to produce  evidence to support their belief whatever it happens to be is not showing bias one way or the other. It’s just asking a question. You have no way of knowing what the answer will be nor it’s nature. You may imagine you know the true answer from your perspective but from theirs it is unknown as their world is Inherently different how therefore can any bias one way or the other be involved? Not asking the question could well be construed as showing bias by showing favour.

Remember:- bias
inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair.

Is asking someone to explain themselves and their belief system unfair? Are they being shown prejudice for being asked to stand up and explain and support their beliefs? In the mind of the flat earther the world works in a different way, so much so that it can vary from individual to individual. The world of the flat earther can take many forms both finite and infinite. How would you know why and what they believe without asking them questions that justify their belief?

On the other hand…
Not asking the question on the assumption that you think you know the answer is showing bias. It’s also predetermining the outcome that in reality you have no idea what this individual might say. What you forget is that each flat earther, while they share some common beliefs, also have radically different views on what constitutes a flat earth. Do they believe it’s just flat, dual, infinite or some other combo?

Bias or not who cares! The real point and the one I made at the outset why bother asking for any experiment to prove what ever flat version they believe in, as which ever it is any experiment designed to give a positive outcome is doomed to failure and is an impossibility. However one bothers and one asks the question to find out what the other person thinks and why they think it. In reality flat earth belief is not based on the outcome of experiments it’s based on conspiracy, the rejection of cherry picked scientific principles and pure belief for which evidence is not required.
Trying to bring scientific rationality to a such totally irrational situation is an exercise in futility as the whole basis of flat earth belief is grounded in irrationality.

That’s the fact of the matter. If you or anyone else think that asking a question to a flat earther is showing bias then stop asking them questions and shut down the forum.

As I originally said I disagreed with you NOT because you were both contradictory and biased.

Which takes us straight back to the issue doesn't it?

A reminder of how this started:

Quote from: JackBlack on June 04, 2022, 03:28:12 PM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on June 04, 2022, 12:48:27 PM

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers

I agree, it does seem biased to ask for experiments to prove Earth is flat; rather than experiments to determine the shape of Earth.

Not at all.
...
What is biased about asking for evidence. You do it all the time! Talk about consistency!

With that (regardless of what else was in your post), how is that anything other than you disagreeing with me in a manner other than saying I was wrong to say it was biased?

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.
I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result.

Do you know how stupid that sounds?

That is like saying:
"He thought that kittens are cute.
I disagreed because some spiders are poisonous."

That isn't disagreeing. That is saying something completely different.

Do you understand yet?

Were you DISAGREEING with me, which would mean you were objecting to the idea of it being biased?
Or were you bringing up an entirely different point?

Understand yet?

Unless you were objecting to it being biased, you were not disagreeing with me, and there is no reason to say "not at all".
Saying it is impossible for an experiment to prove Earth is flat is not disagreeing with my statement that it is biased.

Understand yet?

One, Jack had publicly stated that asking for proof from a flat earther is somehow demonstrating negative bias.

Where?
Yet again, rather than honestly represent what I say, you twist it.

gets away with lambasting people left right and centre displaying his belief that he had a god given right to always be right. At  any cost. This thread is yet another example of how he will twist, turn and distort any discussion to avoid admitting he is wrong.

You sure do love projecting don't you?

Can we get back to why measuring the earths curve with string is a bad idea due to the sag tension eventually pulling molecules apart when the stress overwhelms the electron density force?

Or at least come up with an alternate experiment.  I still like sending a rocket up to take a picture of the shape of the Earth, that seems simple.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on June 08, 2022, 08:54:36 PM

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:13:06 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 08, 2022, 02:21:13 PM

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

I see your back to this tactic...evasion not answering the question. Oh well!

You sure do love your projection don't you.
You have had it explained repeatedly why I don't answer your questions, because they are nothing more than pathetic deflections away from the original point, often involving you entirely strawmanning my position.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

As I said for the umpteenth time I see no problem asking people for proof

So I'll take that as a "yes"; you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased and you are saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased.

Then why say this:

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 01:08:11 AM

It’s got nothing to do with being biased
...
I’m not disagreeing with Jack because I don’t think it’s NOT biased

After explicitly disagreeing with my statement that it is biased?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers.
Scientists do it all the time. Perform experiments where they have a good idea of what the answer is.

Do you know the difference between a scientist, and a pretend scientist that is really just following a religion?
Because you sure seem intent on pretending science is religion.

You sure are squirming to find a way out of this hole you have dug for yourself.

As I originally said I disagreed with you NOT because you were both contradictory and biased. I was disagreeing with you because….. let me remind you once more, and please pay attention:-

I said:-
They don’t have experiments because, I as said, none exist that would yield a positive result. How could they?

YOU GOT THAT?

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.

YOU GOT THAT?

I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result. How could they? It’s got nothing to do with being biased but everything to do with being impossible! Why created an experiment that will always yield a negative?

UNDERSTAND NOW?

Do you understand? I disagreed because it is an impossibility. The FACT that you displayed both bias and contradicted your very own actions as seen in almost every post you write, that’s your problem and a clear demonstration of the twisted illogical way you think.

I’ll say again I disagreed because of the total impossibility of the exercise not because of the bias shown in your statement. That is a separate issue for you yourself to work out.

The fact that you feel asking for evidence from those poor flat earthers demonstrates bias. By your own admission. Does that mean you will stop and refrain from continually asking them for proof?

This stupid issue is a clear demonstration on your part that you will twist, turn and distort any discussion while refusing point blank to answer any questions presented to you that will show up as the narcissist  you are.

Once more I’ll ask the question that you will no doubt evade.

Now that you have stated publicly that you feel asking flat earthers for proof is a sign of bias will you stop and refrain for ever asking a flat earth believer to supply proof?

And yet you fail to understand and realize that from a purely analytical standpoint of the scientific method, meaning it doesn't matter what is already known about the earth or the impossibility of the earth being flat, the question that searches for a particular shape of the earth is biased as it sets to get a predetermined result.

Asking someone a question and to produce  evidence to support their belief whatever it happens to be is not showing bias one way or the other. It’s just asking a question. You have no way of knowing what the answer will be nor it’s nature. You may imagine you know the true answer from your perspective but from theirs it is unknown as their world is Inherently different how therefore can any bias one way or the other be involved? Not asking the question could well be construed as showing bias by showing favour.

Remember:- bias
inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair.

Is asking someone to explain themselves and their belief system unfair? Are they being shown prejudice for being asked to stand up and explain and support their beliefs? In the mind of the flat earther the world works in a different way, so much so that it can vary from individual to individual. The world of the flat earther can take many forms both finite and infinite. How would you know why and what they believe without asking them questions that justify their belief?

On the other hand…
Not asking the question on the assumption that you think you know the answer is showing bias. It’s also predetermining the outcome that in reality you have no idea what this individual might say. What you forget is that each flat earther, while they share some common beliefs, also have radically different views on what constitutes a flat earth. Do they believe it’s just flat, dual, infinite or some other combo?

Bias or not who cares! The real point and the one I made at the outset why bother asking for any experiment to prove what ever flat version they believe in, as which ever it is any experiment designed to give a positive outcome is doomed to failure and is an impossibility. However one bothers and one asks the question to find out what the other person thinks and why they think it. In reality flat earth belief is not based on the outcome of experiments it’s based on conspiracy, the rejection of cherry picked scientific principles and pure belief for which evidence is not required.
Trying to bring scientific rationality to a such totally irrational situation is an exercise in futility as the whole basis of flat earth belief is grounded in irrationality.

That’s the fact of the matter. If you or anyone else think that asking a question to a flat earther is showing bias then stop asking them questions and shut down the forum.

You are still arguing the point based on knowledge we already know, which is missing the point.  Assume the shape of the earth isn't known, thus asking for an experiment that shows the earth to be any particular shape is biased.  From a purely scientific standpoint, the question is biased, regardless of whether or not we already that the shape of the earth is.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 09, 2022, 02:13:29 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on June 08, 2022, 08:54:36 PM

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:13:06 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 08, 2022, 02:21:13 PM

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

I see your back to this tactic...evasion not answering the question. Oh well!

You sure do love your projection don't you.
You have had it explained repeatedly why I don't answer your questions, because they are nothing more than pathetic deflections away from the original point, often involving you entirely strawmanning my position.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

As I said for the umpteenth time I see no problem asking people for proof

So I'll take that as a "yes"; you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased and you are saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased.

Then why say this:

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 01:08:11 AM

It’s got nothing to do with being biased
...
I’m not disagreeing with Jack because I don’t think it’s NOT biased

After explicitly disagreeing with my statement that it is biased?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:07:46 AM

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers.
Scientists do it all the time. Perform experiments where they have a good idea of what the answer is.

Do you know the difference between a scientist, and a pretend scientist that is really just following a religion?
Because you sure seem intent on pretending science is religion.

You sure are squirming to find a way out of this hole you have dug for yourself.

As I originally said I disagreed with you NOT because you were both contradictory and biased. I was disagreeing with you because….. let me remind you once more, and please pay attention:-

I said:-
They don’t have experiments because, I as said, none exist that would yield a positive result. How could they?

YOU GOT THAT?

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.

YOU GOT THAT?

I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result. How could they? It’s got nothing to do with being biased but everything to do with being impossible! Why created an experiment that will always yield a negative?

UNDERSTAND NOW?

Do you understand? I disagreed because it is an impossibility. The FACT that you displayed both bias and contradicted your very own actions as seen in almost every post you write, that’s your problem and a clear demonstration of the twisted illogical way you think.

I’ll say again I disagreed because of the total impossibility of the exercise not because of the bias shown in your statement. That is a separate issue for you yourself to work out.

The fact that you feel asking for evidence from those poor flat earthers demonstrates bias. By your own admission. Does that mean you will stop and refrain from continually asking them for proof?

This stupid issue is a clear demonstration on your part that you will twist, turn and distort any discussion while refusing point blank to answer any questions presented to you that will show up as the narcissist  you are.

Once more I’ll ask the question that you will no doubt evade.

Now that you have stated publicly that you feel asking flat earthers for proof is a sign of bias will you stop and refrain for ever asking a flat earth believer to supply proof?

And yet you fail to understand and realize that from a purely analytical standpoint of the scientific method, meaning it doesn't matter what is already known about the earth or the impossibility of the earth being flat, the question that searches for a particular shape of the earth is biased as it sets to get a predetermined result.

Asking someone a question and to produce  evidence to support their belief whatever it happens to be is not showing bias one way or the other. It’s just asking a question. You have no way of knowing what the answer will be nor it’s nature. You may imagine you know the true answer from your perspective but from theirs it is unknown as their world is Inherently different how therefore can any bias one way or the other be involved? Not asking the question could well be construed as showing bias by showing favour.

Remember:- bias
inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair.

Is asking someone to explain themselves and their belief system unfair? Are they being shown prejudice for being asked to stand up and explain and support their beliefs? In the mind of the flat earther the world works in a different way, so much so that it can vary from individual to individual. The world of the flat earther can take many forms both finite and infinite. How would you know why and what they believe without asking them questions that justify their belief?

On the other hand…
Not asking the question on the assumption that you think you know the answer is showing bias. It’s also predetermining the outcome that in reality you have no idea what this individual might say. What you forget is that each flat earther, while they share some common beliefs, also have radically different views on what constitutes a flat earth. Do they believe it’s just flat, dual, infinite or some other combo?

Bias or not who cares! The real point and the one I made at the outset why bother asking for any experiment to prove what ever flat version they believe in, as which ever it is any experiment designed to give a positive outcome is doomed to failure and is an impossibility. However one bothers and one asks the question to find out what the other person thinks and why they think it. In reality flat earth belief is not based on the outcome of experiments it’s based on conspiracy, the rejection of cherry picked scientific principles and pure belief for which evidence is not required.
Trying to bring scientific rationality to a such totally irrational situation is an exercise in futility as the whole basis of flat earth belief is grounded in irrationality.

That’s the fact of the matter. If you or anyone else think that asking a question to a flat earther is showing bias then stop asking them questions and shut down the forum.

You are still arguing the point based on knowledge we already know, which is missing the point.  Assume the shape of the earth isn't known, thus asking for an experiment that shows the earth to be any particular shape is biased.  From a purely scientific standpoint, the question is biased, regardless of whether or not we already that the shape of the earth is.

Exactly. 
I believe this was the point Jack made at first.  Then the pointless argument started.  Timmy likes to strawman, Jack takes offense to that a bit too much and then we get into the neverending arguments over semantics.  Not productive in the least.  And yes, again I am guilty of adding to these myself.  I can't help it, I like condescending intentionally stupid people who use things like strawman tactics to avoid admitting they were incorrect.  Aka I will tell someone that they are a moron when they act stupid, not claiming to not be a moron myself, but I will point it out to the morons. 

ban them both to the under realm

ban them both to the under realm

I'm already in Australia.

Haha
Uhoh
Ol man jackb showing sense of humour

Haha
Uhoh
Ol man jackb showing sense of humour

Friendly reminder that you are in the Debate board, not CN/AR and not the Lounge

Back on topic, I thought of an experiment anyone can do to prove the earth is flat.

Stand on your head, look forward, and resist the urge to put the tube of the beer bong in your mouth. If you can remain standing on your head for five minutes, guess what?

It means the Earth must be flat. Otherwise, you would have fallen over, long before the five minute mark.

Or, all you need is 40,075 perfectly straight kilometer long steel girders. Attach them end to end at the equator until they meet up. The flerfers will declare the experiment rigged of course and each of the steel girders is slightly curved, proving Earth's flatness.

Maybe a Jacob ladder style sky rail that links Earth to the moon would be the go?

How about charter a plane to go see the dome?  Or at the very least you could fly around the world making your own measurements and see if you could connect the points on a flat plane, or if they form a sphere.

Moon bounce with a HAM radio.  Surveying.  Buy some sub orbital rockets.

With all the thousands of ways to prove it flat, why hasn't someone done any of these.  It's a mystery. 

Maybe James Cameron could do it? He spent all millions exploring the ocean with custom submersibles and special equipment, surely he could manage it.  How much money would a movie exposing the biggest conspiracy make?

Quote from: Themightykabool on June 09, 2022, 02:27:24 PM

Haha
Uhoh
Ol man jackb showing sense of humour

Friendly reminder that you are in the Debate board, not CN/AR and not the Lounge

Theyre blatantly ignoring and mocking your authroity.
Punish them!

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:13:06 PM

As I originally said I disagreed with you NOT because you were both contradictory and biased.

Which takes us straight back to the issue doesn't it?

A reminder of how this started:

Quote from: Timeisup on June 05, 2022, 12:43:08 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 04, 2022, 03:28:12 PM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on June 04, 2022, 12:48:27 PM

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers

I agree, it does seem biased to ask for experiments to prove Earth is flat; rather than experiments to determine the shape of Earth.

Not at all.
...
What is biased about asking for evidence. You do it all the time! Talk about consistency!

With that (regardless of what else was in your post), how is that anything other than you disagreeing with me in a manner other than saying I was wrong to say it was biased?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:13:06 PM

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.
I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result.

Do you know how stupid that sounds?

That is like saying:
"He thought that kittens are cute.
I disagreed because some spiders are poisonous."

That isn't disagreeing. That is saying something completely different.

Do you understand yet?

Were you DISAGREEING with me, which would mean you were objecting to the idea of it being biased?
Or were you bringing up an entirely different point?

Understand yet?

Unless you were objecting to it being biased, you were not disagreeing with me, and there is no reason to say "not at all".
Saying it is impossible for an experiment to prove Earth is flat is not disagreeing with my statement that it is biased.

Understand yet?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:21:47 PM

One, Jack had publicly stated that asking for proof from a flat earther is somehow demonstrating negative bias.

Where?
Yet again, rather than honestly represent what I say, you twist it.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:21:47 PM

gets away with lambasting people left right and centre displaying his belief that he had a god given right to always be right. At  any cost. This thread is yet another example of how he will twist, turn and distort any discussion to avoid admitting he is wrong.

You sure do love projecting don't you?

I disagree with you Jack for all the reasons I’ve laid out. The real problem is you can’t abide anyone having a different take on things.

The fact that you call such people liars and BS spouters says everything about your neurotic make-up.

The fact that you avoid answering question for the fear of showing yourself up is another clear indication of your unfortunate make up.

Your contradictory stance…. It’s showing bias asking FE believers for proof, then demanding that very proof at every turn….. do you enjoy being contradictory for the sake of it?

How about charter a plane to go see the dome?  Or at the very least you could fly around the world making your own measurements and see if you could connect the points on a flat plane, or if they form a sphere.

Moon bounce with a HAM radio.  Surveying.  Buy some sub orbital rockets.

With all the thousands of ways to prove it flat, why hasn't someone done any of these.  It's a mystery. 

Maybe James Cameron could do it? He spent all millions exploring the ocean with custom submersibles and special equipment, surely he could manage it.  How much money would a movie exposing the biggest conspiracy make?

They of course could book an Antarctic cruise to see the non ice wall!

As I said there is nothing a FE believer could do experimentally to prove their beliefs. Let’s remember their beliefs are based on conspiracy with a good helping of ignorance.

Turbo man is a classic example thinking his shakey out of focus shots of the stars prove something! A quick look through a proper astronomical telescope would clear that one up, but he’s not interested! He wants to believe in an alternative reality. Facts and the truth don’t matter to him. All those nut jobs on Youtube reinforce each other’s ignorance. Unfortunately this behaviour is reinforced and validated by many high profile celebrities including Trump. Hell if the former president of the USA can believe in unscientific fairytale BS then why can’t I.
Belief in BS is becoming endemic in the US with the mayor of NYC believing underground crystals beneath NYC are the source of its ‘energy’!
Experiments and fact count for nothing where unscientific BS is concerned.

Being out of focus is what we SEE as out of focus, and isn't causing stars to appear to constantly move and change shape, that is complete nonsense.

Quote from: JackBlack on June 09, 2022, 02:48:58 AM

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:13:06 PM

As I originally said I disagreed with you NOT because you were both contradictory and biased.

Which takes us straight back to the issue doesn't it?

A reminder of how this started:

Quote from: Timeisup on June 05, 2022, 12:43:08 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 04, 2022, 03:28:12 PM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on June 04, 2022, 12:48:27 PM

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers

I agree, it does seem biased to ask for experiments to prove Earth is flat; rather than experiments to determine the shape of Earth.

Not at all.
...
What is biased about asking for evidence. You do it all the time! Talk about consistency!

With that (regardless of what else was in your post), how is that anything other than you disagreeing with me in a manner other than saying I was wrong to say it was biased?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:13:06 PM

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.
I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result.

Do you know how stupid that sounds?

That is like saying:
"He thought that kittens are cute.
I disagreed because some spiders are poisonous."

That isn't disagreeing. That is saying something completely different.

Do you understand yet?

Were you DISAGREEING with me, which would mean you were objecting to the idea of it being biased?
Or were you bringing up an entirely different point?

Understand yet?

Unless you were objecting to it being biased, you were not disagreeing with me, and there is no reason to say "not at all".
Saying it is impossible for an experiment to prove Earth is flat is not disagreeing with my statement that it is biased.

Understand yet?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:21:47 PM

One, Jack had publicly stated that asking for proof from a flat earther is somehow demonstrating negative bias.

Where?
Yet again, rather than honestly represent what I say, you twist it.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:21:47 PM

gets away with lambasting people left right and centre displaying his belief that he had a god given right to always be right. At  any cost. This thread is yet another example of how he will twist, turn and distort any discussion to avoid admitting he is wrong.

You sure do love projecting don't you?

I disagree with you Jack for all the reasons I’ve laid out. The real problem is you can’t abide anyone having a different take on things.

The fact that you call such people liars and BS spouters says everything about your neurotic make-up.

The fact that you avoid answering question for the fear of showing yourself up is another clear indication of your unfortunate make up.

Your contradictory stance…. It’s showing bias asking FE believers for proof, then demanding that very proof at every turn….. do you enjoy being contradictory for the sake of it?

How is it contradictory?

Provide an unbiased experiment that determines the shape of the earth?

Provide the results of an unbiased experiment that conclude that the earth is flat?

There is nothing contradictory about it.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 12, 2022, 01:03:33 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 09, 2022, 02:48:58 AM

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:13:06 PM

As I originally said I disagreed with you NOT because you were both contradictory and biased.

Which takes us straight back to the issue doesn't it?

A reminder of how this started:

Quote from: Timeisup on June 05, 2022, 12:43:08 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 04, 2022, 03:28:12 PM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on June 04, 2022, 12:48:27 PM

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers

I agree, it does seem biased to ask for experiments to prove Earth is flat; rather than experiments to determine the shape of Earth.

Not at all.
...
What is biased about asking for evidence. You do it all the time! Talk about consistency!

With that (regardless of what else was in your post), how is that anything other than you disagreeing with me in a manner other than saying I was wrong to say it was biased?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:13:06 PM

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.
I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result.

Do you know how stupid that sounds?

That is like saying:
"He thought that kittens are cute.
I disagreed because some spiders are poisonous."

That isn't disagreeing. That is saying something completely different.

Do you understand yet?

Were you DISAGREEING with me, which would mean you were objecting to the idea of it being biased?
Or were you bringing up an entirely different point?

Understand yet?

Unless you were objecting to it being biased, you were not disagreeing with me, and there is no reason to say "not at all".
Saying it is impossible for an experiment to prove Earth is flat is not disagreeing with my statement that it is biased.

Understand yet?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:21:47 PM

One, Jack had publicly stated that asking for proof from a flat earther is somehow demonstrating negative bias.

Where?
Yet again, rather than honestly represent what I say, you twist it.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 08:21:47 PM

gets away with lambasting people left right and centre displaying his belief that he had a god given right to always be right. At  any cost. This thread is yet another example of how he will twist, turn and distort any discussion to avoid admitting he is wrong.

You sure do love projecting don't you?

I disagree with you Jack for all the reasons I’ve laid out. The real problem is you can’t abide anyone having a different take on things.

The fact that you call such people liars and BS spouters says everything about your neurotic make-up.

The fact that you avoid answering question for the fear of showing yourself up is another clear indication of your unfortunate make up.

Your contradictory stance…. It’s showing bias asking FE believers for proof, then demanding that very proof at every turn….. do you enjoy being contradictory for the sake of it?

How is it contradictory?

Provide an unbiased experiment that determines the shape of the earth?

Provide the results of an unbiased experiment that conclude that the earth is flat?

There is nothing contradictory about it.

Let's start by looking at the the impossibility of what you have stated, then we can look at the contradictions. You try an incorporate and apply logical thinking into a totally illogical statement.

Nope

The 2nd questions says provide results.

The answer - unable to.

There is no contradiction or error in the question.

Being out of focus is what we SEE as out of focus, and isn't causing stars to appear to constantly move and change shape, that is complete nonsense.

You are looking at out of focus videos, and completely ignoring everyone who has looked through telescopes with their own eyes telling you stars do NOT look like that.

Stars do not visibly change shape and look like blobs, THAT is complete nonsense.  How can you be so amazingly ignorant of something so simple?

Being out of focus is what we SEE as out of focus, and isn't causing stars to appear to constantly move and change shape, that is complete nonsense.

The problem is you appear to, going by your responses, to know very little about either cameras or telescopes or how they work. Your obvious confusion could easily be rectified by you taking a look through a properly set up astronomical telescope or reading about how to take photographs of the stars. If you had a mind to discover the real truth of the matter you could be put right in moments and discover just how wrong you have been.

Here is a guy who takes photographs of the night sky from his back yard.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10603357/Astronomer-captures-photos-distant-nebulas-telescope-East-Ayrshire-garden.html

Thats how stars actually look when set up properly, not when viewed through a shaky out of focus camera.

Quote from: Platonius21 on June 04, 2022, 12:16:21 PM

Quote from: flat earth scam on June 02, 2022, 09:35:21 AM

I want to ask the people here for some experiments/tests I can do to prove that the earth is flat.

Well in spite of all the above discussion about what others have tried or claimed, the short answer to your question is: There is no experiment you can do to prove the earth is flat.

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers

You asked a question.  I provided a simple, correct answer. There is no experiment you can do to prove the earth is flat. Just like there is no experiment you can do to prove that a hippopotamus can fly. How I conduct experiments is irrelevant. Please stay on topic.

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on June 04, 2022, 12:48:27 PM

Quote from: Platonius21 on June 04, 2022, 12:16:21 PM

Quote from: flat earth scam on June 02, 2022, 09:35:21 AM

I want to ask the people here for some experiments/tests I can do to prove that the earth is flat.

Well in spite of all the above discussion about what others have tried or claimed, the short answer to your question is: There is no experiment you can do to prove the earth is flat.

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers

You asked a question.  I provided a simple, correct answer. There is no experiment you can do to prove the earth is flat. Just like there is no experiment you can do to prove that a hippopotamus can fly. How I conduct experiments is irrelevant. Please stay on topic.

Jesus Timmy, it’s hard to take any comment you make as serious or with any credibility when you don’t even have the decency to try and conceal your alt.

Being out of focus is what we SEE as out of focus, and isn't causing stars to appear to constantly move and change shape, that is complete nonsense.

Out of focus is what your beliefs are, Turbon.  If you came to this site to fraternise with other flat earthers, that's fine, and that's what the believers only section is for.

But the moment you step into the debate section, that tells me you are questioning your own perceived reality, prepared to be proven wrong, and looking for a way to escape the flat earth cult!

Why don't you start with the closest star in the Earth's sky - the sun. Now, if the sun is in our Earth's upper atmosphere as a ball with light radiating from it, why don't you explain why the terminator line isn't a circle, and is instead a straight line? Then you could explain why if the sun is so close, that areoplanes which get physically closer to it, don't melt or burst into flames?

Use your brain and think.

So now plato is turbo is timiesisis?

This is getting ridiculous

Hello! I am doing a project where I test whether the globe or flat earth model corresponds with reality. I have found a few experiments that can be used to prove the shape of the earth, but to avoid bias I want to ask the people here for some experiments/tests I can do to prove that the earth is flat.

Do you own binoculars?  That's a yes or no question. 

Quote from: Platonius21 on June 12, 2022, 06:04:11 PM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on June 04, 2022, 12:48:27 PM

Quote from: Platonius21 on June 04, 2022, 12:16:21 PM

Quote from: flat earth scam on June 02, 2022, 09:35:21 AM

I want to ask the people here for some experiments/tests I can do to prove that the earth is flat.

Well in spite of all the above discussion about what others have tried or claimed, the short answer to your question is: There is no experiment you can do to prove the earth is flat.

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers

You asked a question.  I provided a simple, correct answer. There is no experiment you can do to prove the earth is flat. Just like there is no experiment you can do to prove that a hippopotamus can fly. How I conduct experiments is irrelevant. Please stay on topic.

Jesus Timmy, it’s hard to take any comment you make as serious or with any credibility when you don’t even have the decency to try and conceal your alt.

I don't have any alts.  What makes you think I do? Or are you just making it up?

Quote from: turbonium2 on June 12, 2022, 05:23:53 AM

Being out of focus is what we SEE as out of focus, and isn't causing stars to appear to constantly move and change shape, that is complete nonsense.

The problem is you appear to, going by your responses, to know very little about either cameras or telescopes or how they work. Your obvious confusion could easily be rectified by you taking a look through a properly set up astronomical telescope or reading about how to take photographs of the stars. If you had a mind to discover the real truth of the matter you could be put right in moments and discover just how wrong you have been.

Here is a guy who takes photographs of the night sky from his back yard.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10603357/Astronomer-captures-photos-distant-nebulas-telescope-East-Ayrshire-garden.html

Thats how stars actually look when set up properly, not when viewed through a shaky out of focus camera.

Prove that any 'out of focus' camera could ever make each star look and move differently from one another, with ANY light seen in the distance on Earth, or any airplane lights above Earth, at any distance you choose.

They've kept on telling, over and over again, that the stars 'appear to twinkle', due to our 'atmosphere', so why wouldn't they tell us that when magnified through a telescope, stars appear to move and have unique shapes, due to our 'atmosphere', too?

They never said stars would appear like that, from an 'out of focus camera', either!

No, they just kept telling us that's why stars appear to 'twinkle'! I suppose they all 'forgot' to mention all these incredible 'effects' of the stars, caused by our atmosphere, over these centuries! Good one!