What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?

Quote from: Stash on December 24, 2022, 09:43:20 PM

A 15-metric ton meteorite crashed in Africa. Now 2 new minerals have been found in it
Scientists have identified two minerals never before seen on Earth in a meteorite weighing 15.2 metric tons (33,510 pounds).
The minerals came from a 70-gram (nearly 2.5-ounce) slice of the meteorite, which was discovered in Somalia in 2020 and is the ninth-largest meteorite ever found, according to a news release from the University of Alberta.

Minerals never before seen on earth. Hmmm. I guess you should go tell the scientists at the University of Alberta that you have single-handedly determined that their findings are incorrect based upon your more than extensive experience and expertise in such matters. Let us know how your conversation goes.

We didn't see a gorilla on Earth until 100 years ago or so, either.

What in the world are you talking about?

Nearly 2,500 years ago an expedition from the Phoenician merchant city of Carthage to western coasts of Africa accidentally discovered a group of wild gorillas.

The gorilla wasn't "classified" by European men until the mid 1800's. That doesn't mean they weren't known by other cultures well prior to that.

I guess you should go tell the scientists at the University of Alberta that you have single-handedly determined that their findings are incorrect based upon your more than extensive experience and expertise in such matters. Let us know how your conversation goes.

Quote from: turbonium2 on December 24, 2022, 10:27:26 PM

Quote from: Stash on December 24, 2022, 09:43:20 PM

A 15-metric ton meteorite crashed in Africa. Now 2 new minerals have been found in it
Scientists have identified two minerals never before seen on Earth in a meteorite weighing 15.2 metric tons (33,510 pounds).
The minerals came from a 70-gram (nearly 2.5-ounce) slice of the meteorite, which was discovered in Somalia in 2020 and is the ninth-largest meteorite ever found, according to a news release from the University of Alberta.

Minerals never before seen on earth. Hmmm. I guess you should go tell the scientists at the University of Alberta that you have single-handedly determined that their findings are incorrect based upon your more than extensive experience and expertise in such matters. Let us know how your conversation goes.

We didn't see a gorilla on Earth until 100 years ago or so, either.

What in the world are you talking about?

Nearly 2,500 years ago an expedition from the Phoenician merchant city of Carthage to western coasts of Africa accidentally discovered a group of wild gorillas.

The gorilla wasn't "classified" by European men until the mid 1800's. That doesn't mean they weren't known by other cultures well prior to that.

I guess you should go tell the scientists at the University of Alberta that you have single-handedly determined that their findings are incorrect based upon your more than extensive experience and expertise in such matters. Let us know how your conversation goes.

Sure. they would say that Western society had no idea they existed, or that local tribes might have mentioned such a species existing, but they didn't believe them, and thought it was ancient folklore, so it shoud be ignored as such. 

There's many possible reasons why we never knew they existed. It doesn't make any difference, because the fact is, we didn't KNOW they ever existed until a century ago!

Why make up BS excuses for it? There's no point, and no benefit to you, only to those LIARS who made it all up to start with. Don't be one of their mindless puppets, use your own brain, for once!

We didn't knpw sich a species ever existed on Earth, until that time. Same as we didn't know 'meteors' were on Earth until about the same time, or more recently, if so.

So when they claimed 'meteors' have elements 'unknown' to exist on Earth, at the same time, or about the same timre, they didn't know that GORILLAS existed on Earth, why would they 'know' that 'meteors' are from 'space'? Did they claim GORILLAS had unique DMA, unknown to exist in any other life on Earth, so they must have come here from SPACE? Of course not. But they DID claim such a thing for 'meteors', coming from 'space'!

Start connecting the dots, use your brain, compare what they said about other things, and see if it fits with everything ELSE they claim! Stop making BS excuses for everything, they dont give a s^( about you!

Why make up BS excuses for it?

The one making up BS excuses here is you.
We have seen things fall from the sky. One time it even hit someone.
But you don't like that, as it goes against your fantasy, so you resort to whatever dishonest BS you can to dismiss it.

But if you want to reject all that evidence, then you literally only have your own observations.
And that is not enough to conclude anything about the origin of matter on Earth.
All to defend a delusional fantasy that doesn't work.

Once more:
Even if you could conclusively prove that everything did originate on Earth, that still doesn't help your case, as it provides no reason for things to fall down to Earth.
Especially as they are not falling towards their point of origin, not even towards the surface of origin. Instead, they fall down. On the side of a mountain, things fall down, not straight towards the mountain. On a rocky outcrop, things fall down, away from the outcrop. Below the surface, things fall down away from the surface.
More problematic is the conversion between gas and liquid, where converting water (which you claim originates on the surface of Earth) into a gas causes it to rise with it moving away from its origin.
And converting nitrogen (found as a gas) to a liquid causes it to fall.

Quote from: turbonium2 on December 28, 2022, 11:32:26 PM

Why make up BS excuses for it?

The one making up BS excuses here is you.
We have seen things fall from the sky. One time it even hit someone.
But you don't like that, as it goes against your fantasy, so you resort to whatever dishonest BS you can to dismiss it.

But if you want to reject all that evidence, then you literally only have your own observations.
And that is not enough to conclude anything about the origin of matter on Earth.
All to defend a delusional fantasy that doesn't work.

Once more:
Even if you could conclusively prove that everything did originate on Earth, that still doesn't help your case, as it provides no reason for things to fall down to Earth.
Especially as they are not falling towards their point of origin, not even towards the surface of origin. Instead, they fall down. On the side of a mountain, things fall down, not straight towards the mountain. On a rocky outcrop, things fall down, away from the outcrop. Below the surface, things fall down away from the surface.
More problematic is the conversion between gas and liquid, where converting water (which you claim originates on the surface of Earth) into a gas causes it to rise with it moving away from its origin.
And converting nitrogen (found as a gas) to a liquid causes it to fall.

You saying 'one time it even hit someone', is what you consider 'EVIDENCE", right?

At least it's as good as the REST of your 'evidence' is!

The ball Earth speeding through endless space fairy tale is in good hands with people like you. Well done!

Quote from: turbonium2 on December 28, 2022, 11:32:26 PM

Why make up BS excuses for it?

The one making up BS excuses here is you.
We have seen things fall from the sky. One time it even hit someone.
But you don't like that, as it goes against your fantasy, so you resort to whatever dishonest BS you can to dismiss it.

But if you want to reject all that evidence, then you literally only have your own observations.
And that is not enough to conclude anything about the origin of matter on Earth.
All to defend a delusional fantasy that doesn't work.

Once more:
Even if you could conclusively prove that everything did originate on Earth, that still doesn't help your case, as it provides no reason for things to fall down to Earth.
Especially as they are not falling towards their point of origin, not even towards the surface of origin. Instead, they fall down. On the side of a mountain, things fall down, not straight towards the mountain. On a rocky outcrop, things fall down, away from the outcrop. Below the surface, things fall down away from the surface.

The entire Earth is where things originate. NOT ABOVE THE EARTH, except for those things which are int he heavans above Eath, which is where THEY originate from.

All things originating ON Earth, explains why all things put ABOVE the Earth, into air, will FALL BACK DOWN to Earth again, with nothing to SUPPORT them in air. ONly things with LESS DENSITY than air, will RISE UP in air. Thise things are CREATED BY US to have less density than air, fall back DOWN to Earth again, when the air is MORE dense than they are.

I've explained this simple concept to  you over and over again. It's up to YOU to understand it, I cannot help you anymore than I already have.

 

Quote from: JackBlack on December 28, 2022, 11:36:01 PM

Quote from: turbonium2 on December 28, 2022, 11:32:26 PM

Why make up BS excuses for it?

The one making up BS excuses here is you.
We have seen things fall from the sky. One time it even hit someone.
But you don't like that, as it goes against your fantasy, so you resort to whatever dishonest BS you can to dismiss it.

But if you want to reject all that evidence, then you literally only have your own observations.
And that is not enough to conclude anything about the origin of matter on Earth.
All to defend a delusional fantasy that doesn't work.

Once more:
Even if you could conclusively prove that everything did originate on Earth, that still doesn't help your case, as it provides no reason for things to fall down to Earth.
Especially as they are not falling towards their point of origin, not even towards the surface of origin. Instead, they fall down. On the side of a mountain, things fall down, not straight towards the mountain. On a rocky outcrop, things fall down, away from the outcrop. Below the surface, things fall down away from the surface.

The entire Earth is where things originate.

You've been shown evidence that this is not the case. Are you anti-evidence?

You saying 'one time it even hit someone', is what you consider 'EVIDENCE", right?

It is one piece of evidence.
It is demonstrating that it isn't simply the case that something was found on Earth that wasn't known to be on Earth before and declared to be from space.

The abundance of evidence clearly demonstrates that things (i.e. meteorites) have come from space and landed on Earth.

You rejecting all that evidence to cling to your delusional fantasy it pathetic and childish.
You have no evidence at all for any of your delusional claims, nor any reason to doubt this abundance of evidence that shows you are wrong.

And again, it is all just a pathetic distraction from your complete inability to justify your delusional replacement for gravity.

All things originating ON Earth, explains why all things put ABOVE the Earth, into air, will FALL BACK DOWN to Earth again

Repeating the same delusional BS will not help you.
Ignoring all the problems with your delusional claims will not help you.

Things do not go back to where they originated.
If I push something to the right it doesn't fall back to the left.
If I push something away from a cliff, it doesn't fall back towards the cliff.
If I boil water it doesn't fall back to Earth. If you condense air it does fall.

So quite clearly the origin of the thing is entirely irrelevant to how it behaves.

ONly things with LESS DENSITY than air, will RISE UP in air.

i.e. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGIN!
So stop bringing up the origin as if it has anything to do with it.
Just entirely stop bringing up the origin.

And instead try explain why things denser than air fall down. Not fall back towards their origin, or even their surface of origin. Explain why they fall down. What is there that makes them fall down?

There is a very simple explanation which you hate, gravity.

I've explained this simple concept to  you over and over again. It's up to YOU to understand it, I cannot help you anymore than I already have.

No, you have repeatedly contradicted yourself.
Switching back and forth between 2 drastically different ideas because neither works.
All while ignoring the problems raised with these ideas.

Your origin idea is pure BS with no change of working at all.
But your density BS has no explanation for things should go down.

So you just switch back and forth to pretend there are no problems.

And instead try explain why things denser than air fall down. Not fall back towards their origin, or even their surface of origin. Explain why they fall down. What is there that makes them fall down?

What is there is their greater mass and density than the air they were PUT UP into, FROM the surface.

You cannot understand this, because you think of Earth, as something within an endless 'universe', where something, or God, made the Earth, and all life on Earth, or it all happened by luck, somehow. There's all sorts of different 'theories' for it - the 'it' being that 'space' exists as an endless area beyond Earth. That's what they ALL say, for some reason!

Earth is a completely encased, controlled environment, or object, created by God, and is easily EXPLAINED after you know that. Or look at it that way, instead of as a ball speeding through endless space.

When you keep asking 'why they always fall downward, in that same direction?, ignoring the FIRST PART, that NOTHING is in air, until PUT UP into air! You simply CANNOT say such a thing, it is MISLEADING, and DECEPTIVE.

Of course, you KNOW it is deliberately misleading, and deceptive, that's why your liars made it all up to begin with! They realized that anything they claim is never questioned, never doubted as being TRUE, without ANY evidence to support those claims.

What has EVER proven their claims about 'space' existing like they CLAIM it does?

Absolutely NOTHING at all. It's been BS from the start, up to this very day.

How did it all start, is how we know it is all BS.

The trick is to make up one lie, and make up other lies which SUPPORT the first lie, and continue to make up more and more lies, which support those earlier lies...

In time, everyone believes it is ALL TRUE, because they all SUPPORT each other one, and THAT is the trick to it!

There is absolutely NO evidence that 'space' exists, but there IS proof it does NOT exist, whether or not you ACCEPT it as proof, doesn't change that in any way.


How did they 'prove' that there are objects on Earth, which were from 'outer space', when they DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING PROVEN TO EVER COME FROM SPACE, YET?

Unknown to exist on Earth, always happens, always HAS happened, always WILL happen, and  has NOTHING to do with being from 'outer space', except for one of them, which they decided to claim were from 'outer space', due to it being made of elements 'not known to exist on Earth', just like all the OTHERS were found to be!

It's not up to me, to show that there is NO valid evidence that 'meteors' are objects from 'outer space', it is YOU who must SHOW evidence for that claim.

This claim they made, that they have found objects on Earth, they have PROVEN to be from 'outer space', isn't about whether they ARE from 'space', or that they are NOT 'from space', it is about HOW ANYONE COULD EVER HAVE PROVEN IT, to BEGIN with!

When there is no proof or evidence that 'space' even exists, we know there cannot be any evidence for an object BEING from 'space', since 'space' doesn't exist to begin with, and not having any evidence it MIGHT exist at all.


 

What is there is their greater mass and density than the air they were PUT UP into, FROM the surface.

You sure do love desperately clinging to this don't you?
I have provided clear examples where they were NOT PUT UP!
So that excuse fails entirely.
It is quite clear that the direction they came from doesn't matter.

Repeatedly spouting this same BS again and again even after it has been shown to be wrong again and again just demonstrates how low you need to stoop to pretend your garbage works.

ignoring the FIRST PART, that NOTHING is in air, until PUT UP into air! You simply CANNOT say such a thing, it is MISLEADING, and DECEPTIVE.

That's right, you can't say such a thing without it being incredibly misleading and deceptive, as they DON'T need to be put up first.
Yet you keep on doing it, because lies and deception is all you have to prop your failed fantasy.

So how about you stop with the pathetic lies and deception and instead try explaining why things fall, as it clearly has nothing to do with their origin or how they got into the air.

What has EVER proven their claims about 'space' existing like they CLAIM it does?

So much it isn't funny.
Footage from rockets going up into space, including footage from the rockets themselves.
The countless things provided by satellite, including the widely used GPS and the like.
Countless satellites, which can be observed, either as points of light behaving quite differently to the stars, or in the case of the ISS, actually resolved and observed.
Countless pictures of Earth from those satellites.

And there is the far simpler observation of the pressure gradient in the atmosphere, which when extrapolated upwards directly results in space.

Conversely, what have you provided to back up your delusional BS?
Just more delusional BS. No evidence at all.

But this is just another example of your pathetic dishoensty.
You can't explain why things fall, so you try and change the subject.

There is absolutely NO evidence that 'space' exists, but there IS proof it does NOT exist

If there was evidence that space didn't exist, and you knew about it, you would have provided it by now.
But you are yet to provide anything.

How did they 'prove' that there are objects on Earth, which were from 'outer space', when they DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING PROVEN TO EVER COME FROM SPACE, YET?

Do you mean the first one?
Well they had plenty of evidence from things like ancient acounts.
But they have directly observed things falling from space.
Of course, you dismiss that as fake, because you can't handle reality.

which they decided to claim were from 'outer space', due to it being made of elements 'not known to exist on Earth'

And more dishonest BS.
Again, they observed things coming down from space.

It's not up to me, to show that there is NO valid evidence that 'meteors' are objects from 'outer space'

If you want to claim that everything originated on Earth, then it IS up to you.
Likewise, if you want to claim that space doesn't exist, or can't exist, or that there is proof of such, it is up to you to provide that proof.

I have provided clear examples where they were NOT PUT UP!

Of course they must be put up into air, and when they are higher up than the surface of Earth, throwing them off it, PUTS THEM IN AIR, where the air already IS upward, above the surface of Earth.

But all of them, whether on a mountain top, or the side of a mountain, are all on the ground, where they all originate from. If you drop an object from air, above a mountain, it will land down on the mountain, because it is the SURFACE of Earth, where they fall to, where they all originate from, not how HIGH on the surface they are, it is where the air is, when PUT into air, which makes them fall through it downward to the surface below them.

Quote from: JackBlack on January 01, 2023, 02:01:30 AM

I have provided clear examples where they were NOT PUT UP!

Of course they must be put up into air, and when they are higher up than the surface of Earth, throwing them off it, PUTS THEM IN AIR, where the air already IS upward, above the surface of Earth.

But all of them, whether on a mountain top, or the side of a mountain, are all on the ground, where they all originate from. If you drop an object from air, above a mountain, it will land down on the mountain, because it is the SURFACE of Earth, where they fall to, where they all originate from, not how HIGH on the surface they are, it is where the air is, when PUT into air, which makes them fall through it downward to the surface below them.

Meteors don't originate on the ground.

Of course they must be put up into air

Once more, I have provided examples where they were not put UP.
So repeating the same dishonest BS wont help you.
It is clear they don't just go back.
Instead they fall down.

It also has nothing at all to do with where the surface is, as if that was the case, they should fall towards the surface, the closest surface, not down.

So all of your BS about origin is entirely irrelevant.
So without appealing to that irrelevant BS, try explaining why things fall down.