What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?

Jacks right

An experiment asks a question.
The hypohesis answers the question within the question, based on the experiemnt.


hy·poth·e·sis
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noun
a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.



So if "how to prove the earth flat is the question"
The subject is not the earth-flat but that you proved it.
The question is given as the earth-flat.



Questions and Emphatic Statements
Sometimes the subject of a sentence can be hard to find. In a question, the subject usually comes between the helping verb and the main verb. To find the subject, keep all the words from the question and turn it into a declarative sentence.

Did you decide to keep that puppy?
You did decide to keep that puppy.


How did you prove the earth is flat?
You did prove the earth is flat.



The unbiased wuestion woild be

Experiment
How to i determine the shape of the earth?

Hypothesis
I beleive since tall boats and mountains disappear bottom-up, the earth curves down and away based on how circles and triangles work.

That could be well the case if you were to examine a situation where the answer was unknown and in some doubt.

In the case of the shape of the earth the answer is known and is without doubt, in reality. It's all very well using puppy logic, cute as though it sounds, but in this case your logic falls flat as the answer is known beyond any reasonable doubt. The doubt only exists in the illogical minds of the few and as such logic does not apply in such an illogical situation!

What grounds would you have in doubting the shape of the planet, what evidence could you have to underpin such doubt that would hold any water logical or otherwise?

The problem you have is you are trying to employ some form of puppy logic to a situation that sits outside any logical frame work as the reasons some people believe the earth to be flat are totally illogical and with out any proof or rational reason. Why so? They have no proof, as none exists, how could it?

The situation regarding the shape of the earth is that it is known without any doubt. Any experiment to disprove this is in itself is starting from an illogical position.

Going back to the issue. An experiment of course asks a question. In this case, the shape of the earth, in reality no farther investigation are required. The answer is known beyond any doubt and THAT is the starting point. The flat earth believer is attempting to over turn conventional wisdom not just in the shape of the earth but much of science. This is the point that both you and Jack are avoiding and the point that all flat earths ignore. The ramifications of their belief! and you try and use puppy logic in some vain attempt to justify .....to justify exactly what?

That could be well the case if you were to examine a situation where the answer was unknown and in some doubt.

1895
“It is apparent to me that the possibilities of the aeroplane, which two or three years ago were thought to hold the solution to the (flying machine) problem, have been exhausted, and that we must turn elsewhere.” — Thomas Edison, inventor and businessman.

Further, think about Edison’s indomitable spirit and endless energy when attacking problems or challenges. It was Edison who, upon giving the world the incandescent light bulb only to be roundly criticized for having experimented and failed 200 times before reaching success, promptly snapped back, “I didn’t fail 200 times. I succeeded once. It was a 200-step process.” Yeah, that Thomas Edison. Even he didn’t believe flight was possible or practical.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliamdur/2020/12/16/why-the-wright-brothers-flew/?sh=780b3b467531

Kids all do the same thing at school.
Should they not be doing experiments to becaus ethe answers are known?

The earth does exist and has a shape or form that has nothing to do with what you or anyone else happens to believe in. There is no bias when it comes to the way things are in nature. They are what they are despite your belief.

And there is a difference between the way they are in nature, and the questions you ask about it.
Asking how to prove Earth is flat starts with the assumption that Earth is flat, and goes about trying to prove it.
Bias can be a quite significant issue in science and you need to be careful to ensure you don't allow bias to influence the experiments.
People are inherently biased, and will frequently look for things to support their own beliefs. Veritasium did a video on this:


People form an idea in their head, and then look for things to support it; rather than looking to try and answer what the real question is.
This can lead them to ignoring evidence which challenges their position, because they see it as non-definitive.

That could be well the case if you were to examine a situation where the answer was unknown and in some doubt.

i.e. all the time in science.
With science there is always some doubt.
This is because it extrapolates from evidence to build models.

It is religion that has no doubt, even though it doesn't know anything.
They don't have doubt, because rather than fallible humans obtaining knowledge by looking at the world and extrapolating from that; they believe their knowledge was given to them by an infallible being who created the universe.

As I have said many times, you are trying to turn science into religion.

Scientists in the past have had similar issues, with people coming up with all sorts of ridiculous BS for the aether, because they "knew" that light was a wave and that waves need media to propagate.
Except those scientists that "knew" that light was a particle, not a wave, and thus didn't need a medium.

Until someone decided to reject both assumptions and consider other options and we got the wave-particle duality of light, where light is a particle, and like all particles, exhibits the characteristics of waves.

And just like the ancient people who "knew" Earth must be flat, because a round surface couldn't contain the water or that people would fall off the bottom, and modern FEers who "know" Earth is flat, from looking out their window.

Arrogantly believing something is known beyond any possible doubt, that it could never be overturned; that they are beyond any possible debate and instead should simply be taken as facts, with no questioning and no attempt to verify them by anyone, even going as far as attacking those who request ways to verify it; takes you out well of the realm of science and places you firmly in the realm of religion.

You are here preaching religion. You are not promoting science. You are just as bad as all the FEers claiming to know that Earth is flat, yet refusing to justify their position.

Going back to the issue. An experiment of course asks a question. In this case, the shape of the earth

Yes, notice how the unbiased (or at least the less biased) question is asking what is the shape of Earth.
Asking for evidence that shows it is flat is biased, as it is assuming it is flat and only wanting evidence that it is.
Asking for proof, also takes you out of the realm of science.

in reality no farther investigation are required.

Likewise, your presence here is not required at all. Yet you keep on coming and offering extremely little of value.
Just because there is already mountains of evidence showing that Earth is roughly an oblate spheroid doesn't mean people can't ask for evidence.
You arrogantly suggesting that Earth is known to be a sphere beyond any doubt is not helpful or constructive at all.
If you don't want to answer questions or justify your position, why are you here at all?

His presence is require.... for the entertainment

Ohoooo
Be nice

Quote from: Timeisup on June 05, 2022, 09:45:00 AM

That could be well the case if you were to examine a situation where the answer was unknown and in some doubt.

1895
“It is apparent to me that the possibilities of the aeroplane, which two or three years ago were thought to hold the solution to the (flying machine) problem, have been exhausted, and that we must turn elsewhere.” — Thomas Edison, inventor and businessman.

Further, think about Edison’s indomitable spirit and endless energy when attacking problems or challenges. It was Edison who, upon giving the world the incandescent light bulb only to be roundly criticized for having experimented and failed 200 times before reaching success, promptly snapped back, “I didn’t fail 200 times. I succeeded once. It was a 200-step process.” Yeah, that Thomas Edison. Even he didn’t believe flight was possible or practical.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliamdur/2020/12/16/why-the-wright-brothers-flew/?sh=780b3b467531

And your point is?

Before people fly off in all crazy directions getting their frilly panties in a twist. Let’s remember what was said.

Jack said:-
I agree, it does seem biased to ask for experiments to prove Earth is flat; rather than experiments to determine the shape of Earth.

I said:-
They don’t have experiments because, I as said, none exist that would yield a positive result. How could they?

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.
I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result. How could they? It’s got nothing to do with being biased but everything to do with being impossible! Why created an experiment that will always yield a negative?

I’m not disagreeing with Jack because I don’t think it’s NOT biased I’m disagreeing with him on the grounds of it being an impossible task! That’s the issue not biased but impossible.

What would be the point in creating an experiment to show the earth were flat? It would be an exercise in futility. Biased doesn’t come into it, though stupid and pointless and waste of time do!

His presence is require.... for the entertainment

Ohoooo
Be nice

Enjoy being a snippy bitch do you? Try sticking to the point at issue.

And your point is?

It is quite clear, people have arrogantly claimed something as a fact, and been wrong.

Before people fly off in all crazy directions getting their frilly panties in a twist. Let’s remember what was said.

Jack said:-
I agree, it does seem biased to ask for experiments to prove Earth is flat; rather than experiments to determine the shape of Earth.

I said:-
They don’t have experiments because, I as said, none exist that would yield a positive result. How could they?

You sure do love twisting reality don't you?
You responded with:
"Not at all ... What is biased about asking for evidence." (full quote https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90404.msg2361094#msg2361094 )

That sure seems to be indicating you object to my statement, with an objection to the bias part.
There is no honest, rational way to conclude that it is you objecting to the idea that there is or could be evidence to support a FE, especially as I never indicated there was.
My statement was focusing purely on the bias of the question.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 12:53:58 AM

And your point is?

It is quite clear, people have arrogantly claimed something as a fact, and been wrong.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 01:08:11 AM

Before people fly off in all crazy directions getting their frilly panties in a twist. Let’s remember what was said.

Jack said:-
I agree, it does seem biased to ask for experiments to prove Earth is flat; rather than experiments to determine the shape of Earth.

I said:-
They don’t have experiments because, I as said, none exist that would yield a positive result. How could they?

You sure do love twisting reality don't you?
You responded with:
"Not at all ... What is biased about asking for evidence." (full quote https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90404.msg2361094#msg2361094 )

That sure seems to be indicating you object to my statement, with an objection to the bias part.
There is no honest, rational way to conclude that it is you objecting to the idea that there is or could be evidence to support a FE, especially as I never indicated there was.
My statement was focusing purely on the bias of the question.

What is biased about asking for evidence, as I said you do it all the time.
Why do you constantly ask flat earth believers for evidence when you know it’s a biased remark?

What about consistency? And you speak of twisting?

The only thing being twisted around here is your panties and your obsessional desire to react like a dick. Go back and read exactly what I said and not cherry pick.
You could also answer the question ,why do you insist on asking for evidence from flat earth believers when you know it to be a biased question by your own admission?

The point is it’s not that it’s biased it’s that it’s impossible. How about dealing with what’s actually being said and not what you make up in your head!

What is biased about asking for evidence

Is this your way of admitting you were objecting to me saying it was bias?
If not, focus on that first.

The only thing being twisted around here is your panties and your obsessional desire to react like a dick.

You sure do love projecting don't you?

Before people fly off in all crazy directions getting their frilly panties in a twist. Let’s remember what was said.

Jack said:-
I agree, it does seem biased to ask for experiments to prove Earth is flat; rather than experiments to determine the shape of Earth.

I said:-
They don’t have experiments because, I as said, none exist that would yield a positive result. How could they?

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.
I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result. How could they? It’s got nothing to do with being biased but everything to do with being impossible! Why created an experiment that will always yield a negative?

I’m not disagreeing with Jack because I don’t think it’s NOT biased I’m disagreeing with him on the grounds of it being an impossible task! That’s the issue not biased but impossible.

What would be the point in creating an experiment to show the earth were flat? It would be an exercise in futility. Biased doesn’t come into it, though stupid and pointless and waste of time do!

Fine

Youre both righ then on the basis of

jackb how to wirte an exoeriment title

And timieisss on the premise ofthe question itself.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 01:34:40 AM

What is biased about asking for evidence

Is this your way of admitting you were objecting to me saying it was bias?
If not, focus on that first.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 01:34:40 AM

The only thing being twisted around here is your panties and your obsessional desire to react like a dick.

You sure do love projecting don't you?

IM not objecting to what you said, Im disagreeing with what you said. Bizarre as it may sound but there are opinions other than your own to be had!

Biased is neither here nor there, asking flat earthers to conduct an experiment to prove their opinion is a pointless exercise as there is no such experiment that could be done.

Contradictory...you yourself ask for evidence all the time from flat earth believers or those who don't hold your views. How do you square that one?

Not agreeing with you is very different to objecting to what you said. I don't give a hoot what you think and on this occasion I dont agree with what you said for the reasons given, being the impossibility of performing such an exercise.

And why do you never answer a question that you know will show you up?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 01:08:11 AM

Before people fly off in all crazy directions getting their frilly panties in a twist. Let’s remember what was said.

Jack said:-
I agree, it does seem biased to ask for experiments to prove Earth is flat; rather than experiments to determine the shape of Earth.

I said:-
They don’t have experiments because, I as said, none exist that would yield a positive result. How could they?

He thought asking for experiments to prove the world was flat was biased.
I disagreed because it is an impossibility for any such experiments to be done that would yield a positive result. How could they? It’s got nothing to do with being biased but everything to do with being impossible! Why created an experiment that will always yield a negative?

I’m not disagreeing with Jack because I don’t think it’s NOT biased I’m disagreeing with him on the grounds of it being an impossible task! That’s the issue not biased but impossible.

What would be the point in creating an experiment to show the earth were flat? It would be an exercise in futility. Biased doesn’t come into it, though stupid and pointless and waste of time do!

Fine

Youre both righ then on the basis of

jackb how to wirte an exoeriment title

And timieisss on the premise ofthe question itself.

Im not sure about your analysis. In fact I dont even thing Jack believes it himself as he constantly asks for evidence from flat earth believers. If you ask for evidence it follows it must be based on some kind of experiment or collection of data.

Here is a collection of what Jack said taken from just a couple of his own posts on just the one thread. His comments are full of asking for evidence. So what gives? is he biased or not expecting other people of the flat earth persuasion to support their views? You tell me and while you're at it explain the contradictions.

Jack Said:-

Prove it.
You say you care about evidence but you continually spout pure garbage with no evidence or rational thought to back it up.

You mean FEers have continually spouted BS which they cannot support at all?

Because I follow the evidence and try to have my views based upon truth; rather than trying to manipulate evidence into fitting a preconceived fantasy.
It is quite easy to live with yourself when you are honest.
It is quite understandable that you don't want to know the answer, as that could make you realise why it is so hard to live with yourself, but I don't care.

So because you can't defend your BS you just tell others to

i.e. you have no idea at all. Instead you are just making bold, baseless claims to prop up a delusional fantasy.

Prove it.

Based on what?
And do you have evidence they don't?

If you honestly want to argue in favour of your BS, you need something to refute that, not just pathetic dismissal and excuses.
Prove it.
You have absolutely no evidence of that claim.
It is nothing more than delusional, paranoid BS.

And how do you know this?
Do you have any evidence at all?
Or do you just need to falsely claim this to try to prop your delusional fantasy?

You are the one claiming the firmament exists, to to defend your failed model. Yet you provide nothing to try to support this except lies.

Science doesn't deal with proof, it deals with evidence, making hypotheses and testing them.
As for obtaining evidence that the dome doesn't exist, that depends on exactly how the dome is claimed to exist and what it is claimed to cause.

Are you capable of defending your BS claims about the firmament?
Explain how it causes the apparent position of the sun.

Buddy

If you out was to state youre arguing two completely different things, then youre both right on an individual and indepentent context.

As i simplified.

On how to write an experiment question = jack.

On the premise that such a proof exists = timsieises



You really are moronic or just like to fluff up trhead counts for your nonsense.

Quote from: Stash on June 05, 2022, 09:58:05 AM

Quote from: Timeisup on June 05, 2022, 09:45:00 AM

That could be well the case if you were to examine a situation where the answer was unknown and in some doubt.

1895
“It is apparent to me that the possibilities of the aeroplane, which two or three years ago were thought to hold the solution to the (flying machine) problem, have been exhausted, and that we must turn elsewhere.” — Thomas Edison, inventor and businessman.

Further, think about Edison’s indomitable spirit and endless energy when attacking problems or challenges. It was Edison who, upon giving the world the incandescent light bulb only to be roundly criticized for having experimented and failed 200 times before reaching success, promptly snapped back, “I didn’t fail 200 times. I succeeded once. It was a 200-step process.” Yeah, that Thomas Edison. Even he didn’t believe flight was possible or practical.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliamdur/2020/12/16/why-the-wright-brothers-flew/?sh=780b3b467531

And your point is?

It doesn't take a village to come up with something new, as you claim.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 12:53:58 AM

Quote from: Stash on June 05, 2022, 09:58:05 AM

Quote from: Timeisup on June 05, 2022, 09:45:00 AM

That could be well the case if you were to examine a situation where the answer was unknown and in some doubt.

1895
“It is apparent to me that the possibilities of the aeroplane, which two or three years ago were thought to hold the solution to the (flying machine) problem, have been exhausted, and that we must turn elsewhere.” — Thomas Edison, inventor and businessman.

Further, think about Edison’s indomitable spirit and endless energy when attacking problems or challenges. It was Edison who, upon giving the world the incandescent light bulb only to be roundly criticized for having experimented and failed 200 times before reaching success, promptly snapped back, “I didn’t fail 200 times. I succeeded once. It was a 200-step process.” Yeah, that Thomas Edison. Even he didn’t believe flight was possible or practical.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliamdur/2020/12/16/why-the-wright-brothers-flew/?sh=780b3b467531

And your point is?

It doesn't take a village to come up with something new, as you claim.

It takes an expert.

Haha

IM not objecting to what you said, Im disagreeing with what you said.

And now you are playing semantics.
P.S. here is a definition of object you might like to see:
"say something to express one's opposition to or disagreement with something."

Do you also understand what disagreeing means?
It means you think I am not correct.

I'm not saying the discussion of if it is biased is the most important.
I merely pointed out that the particular phrasing used was biased.
Disagreeing with that means you think that phrasing is not biased.

Disagreeing with me would have nothing to do with if there is evidence or not.

Understand yet?

And why do you never answer a question that you know will show you up?

I answer plenty of questions.
But your tactic is to spout BS, then flee from what you have said and deflect with other questions.
Just like your other dishonest tactic of continually lying about what has been said.

Like I have told you before, if you want me to answer your questions, stop using them as a deflection. Deal with the issues already present before moving on.

He doesnt flee.
He gets banned.
Ho hooo!

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 03:20:21 AM

IM not objecting to what you said, Im disagreeing with what you said.

And now you are playing semantics.
P.S. here is a definition of object you might like to see:
"say something to express one's opposition to or disagreement with something."

Do you also understand what disagreeing means?
It means you think I am not correct.

I'm not saying the discussion of if it is biased is the most important.
I merely pointed out that the particular phrasing used was biased.
Disagreeing with that means you think that phrasing is not biased.

Disagreeing with me would have nothing to do with if there is evidence or not.

Understand yet?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 06, 2022, 03:20:21 AM

And why do you never answer a question that you know will show you up?

I answer plenty of questions.
But your tactic is to spout BS, then flee from what you have said and deflect with other questions.
Just like your other dishonest tactic of continually lying about what has been said.

Like I have told you before, if you want me to answer your questions, stop using them as a deflection. Deal with the issues already present before moving on.

Hardly symatics!
On the one hand you say asking flat earth believers to deliver experiments to prove their case is biased.
Then on the other hand you ask then for evidence at every opportunity!
How do you square that blatant contradiction Jack?

Flee! Don’t think so. I would ask your Boylover pal to explain that one for you.

The real underlying issue is you can’t abide to be shown up or to be proved wrong.

In this case your truth blindness is so blatant that’s is laughable!

All those countless times you ask or should I say demand evidence from those poor flat earthers you verbally savage how are you expecting they come by evidence if not from sone form of experimentation?

I disagreed with what you said. That is allowable by the way. What I said was any such experiment to prove the flat earth was pointless as a positive outcome was an impossibility.

Rather than concede I’m correct you fly off pleading the use of deadly semantics then accuse me of fleeing and telling lies as a distraction. 

Where have I told lies and how am I still here? Though Boylover will most likely have something to say about that. I can feel his icy presence as I type.

Though the point to really note is your reaction to someone who takes issue with your ultra orthodox dogmatic position! Anyone being branded a liar and deserving of a bath in brimstone who dares to disagree with you.

I picture you constantly wreathed in sulphurous  fumes banging on some fiendishly carved lectern festooned with gothic carvings crying liar, liar liar.
 

Hardly symatics!

You are claiming that you are objecting rather than disagreeing. That is symantics.
It in no way impacts the actual point of discussion.

On the one hand you say asking flat earth believers to deliver experiments to prove their case is biased.

Are you capable of honestly representing a position, or must you dishonestly present everything.

I disagreed with what you said.

So is that you saying you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased?
Is that you saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased?

If not, that isn't you disagreeing.

What I said was any such experiment to prove the flat earth was pointless

This has nothing to do with my statement.

Rather than concede I’m correct

Why would I concede to your fantasy?

Where have I told lies

See above.
Try providing quotes to justify what you have falsely claimed about me.

Anyone being branded a liar and deserving of a bath in brimstone who dares to disagree with you.

No, those who blatantly lie about what I (or other people) say, are branded liars.
Try being honest, then you wont be branded one.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 07, 2022, 12:35:16 AM

Hardly symatics!

You are claiming that you are objecting rather than disagreeing. That is symantics.
It in no way impacts the actual point of discussion.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 07, 2022, 12:35:16 AM

On the one hand you say asking flat earth believers to deliver experiments to prove their case is biased.

Are you capable of honestly representing a position, or must you dishonestly present everything.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 07, 2022, 12:35:16 AM

I disagreed with what you said.

So is that you saying you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased?
Is that you saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased?

If not, that isn't you disagreeing.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 07, 2022, 12:35:16 AM

What I said was any such experiment to prove the flat earth was pointless

This has nothing to do with my statement.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 07, 2022, 12:35:16 AM

Rather than concede I’m correct

Why would I concede to your fantasy?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 07, 2022, 12:35:16 AM

Where have I told lies

See above.
Try providing quotes to justify what you have falsely claimed about me.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 07, 2022, 12:35:16 AM

Anyone being branded a liar and deserving of a bath in brimstone who dares to disagree with you.

No, those who blatantly lie about what I (or other people) say, are branded liars.
Try being honest, then you wont be branded one.

The fantasy is all yours as you are the creator.

You are always onto people to provide evidence and provide facts to back up what they are saying.

I ask you the same. Please provide sone proof of my alleged fantasy.

You appear to like facts though I do wonder if that is actually the case. Your own imagined facts possibly!

Fantasy:-

…the faculty or activity of imagining impossible or improbable things.

So please reveal which of my statements adhere to that phrase.

While you are at it you could add some evidence of where I’m being dishonest.

Again in reality the fantasy and dishonesty are all yours.

The fantasy is all yours as you are the creator.

You are always onto people to provide evidence and provide facts to back up what they are saying.

I ask you the same. Please provide sone proof of my alleged fantasy.

You appear to like facts though I do wonder if that is actually the case. Your own imagined facts possibly!

Fantasy:-

…the faculty or activity of imagining impossible or improbable things.

So please reveal which of my statements adhere to that phrase.

While you are at it you could add some evidence of where I’m being dishonest.

Again in reality the fantasy and dishonesty are all yours.

Considering you don't want to answer, lets keep this simple and go one point at a time:
Are you saying you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased?
Are you saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased?

Yay, another pointless argument that derails the thread. 
So let's restate the OP in a better way.
What experiments can a person do to provide evidence of the shape of the Earth that may contradict the widely accepted model?

Yay, another pointless argument that derails the thread. 
So let's restate the OP in a better way.
What experiments can a person do to provide evidence of the shape of the Earth that may contradict the widely accepted model?

There is no accurate properly carried out genuine scientific experiment that could be done that would yield a positive result that would show the earth was flat. It’s not going to happen ever as it’s an impossibility just like the flat earth map.

What could be done is an experiment that ignored all the proven physical laws and made use of alternative facts and laws that would give the required answer. Tom Bishop does it all the time, it’s called making stuff up. Smear the said experiment with a good deal of pseudoscience and unscientific terminology and you will convince anyone who wants to believe and those ignorant enough who don’t know any better. Remember the sprinkler lady. Many people are ignorant about basic science. Many people are gullible and will believe anything if properly presented. Remember the ‘stolen election’ that millions still believe to be the case?



There will always be people out there who want to believe in something crazy and be up for swallowing any old crap.

The problem is a clever devious person like Trump for example could convince a significant proportion on the population that the world was flat by conducting a cleverly designed and orchestrated experiment by the use of skullduggery laced with alternative facts. In fact I’m surprised  it’s not been attempted before. The young Earth creationists have swayed millions to their way of thinking why not the flat earthers…?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 07, 2022, 03:45:53 AM

The fantasy is all yours as you are the creator.

You are always onto people to provide evidence and provide facts to back up what they are saying.

I ask you the same. Please provide sone proof of my alleged fantasy.

You appear to like facts though I do wonder if that is actually the case. Your own imagined facts possibly!

Fantasy:-

…the faculty or activity of imagining impossible or improbable things.

So please reveal which of my statements adhere to that phrase.

While you are at it you could add some evidence of where I’m being dishonest.

Again in reality the fantasy and dishonesty are all yours.

Considering you don't want to answer, lets keep this simple and go one point at a time:
Are you saying you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased?
Are you saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased?

Don’t want to answer what?
What was the question?

Let’s start by defining the central word biased:-

unfairly prejudiced for or against someone or something.

I don’t see how it could be unfairly prejudiced to ask anyone for proof to support their belief. Regardless of what the belief was, flat earth or otherwise.

As I have said and shown, you do it all the time, demanding people give you proof.

It’s also the case that you avoid answering any question that shows you up.

You constantly claim people who disagree with you, lie and talk BS without ever backing these outrageous claims with proof.

The question I want to ask you is why do you resort to such dishonest tactics, calling people liars, and do you think you are right ALL the time?

Quote from: JackBlack on June 07, 2022, 04:56:04 AM

Considering you don't want to answer, lets keep this simple and go one point at a time:
Are you saying you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased?
Are you saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased?

Don’t want to answer what?
What was the question?

Really?
You can't see a question even though it is quite clearly laid out.

I don’t see how it could be unfairly prejudiced to ask anyone for proof to support their belief.

No need for the convoluted BS, all you need to do is directly answer the question, so there is no room for trying to twist your way out of it.
Is this you saying you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased?
Is this you saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased?

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 12:05:36 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 07, 2022, 04:56:04 AM

Considering you don't want to answer, lets keep this simple and go one point at a time:
Are you saying you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased?
Are you saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased?

Don’t want to answer what?
What was the question?

Really?
You can't see a question even though it is quite clearly laid out.

Quote from: Timeisup on June 08, 2022, 12:05:36 AM

I don’t see how it could be unfairly prejudiced to ask anyone for proof to support their belief.

No need for the convoluted BS, all you need to do is directly answer the question, so there is no room for trying to twist your way out of it.
Is this you saying you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased?
Is this you saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased?

I see your back to this tactic...evasion not answering the question. Oh well!

As I said for the umpteenth time I see no problem asking people for proof regardless what they believe, flat earth or pink poodles on Mars. Thats called fair play. After all you do it all the time, not fair play but asking for proof. Fair play is not something you take part in.

Do you have a problem asking people for proof? if so why do you do it all the time?

I see nothing special about flat earth belief that would cause me to think asking them for proof is displaying bias. It's the exact opposite in fact.

remember you said:-

I agree, it does seem biased to ask for experiments to prove Earth is flat; rather than experiments to determine the shape of Earth.

Why is the flat earth in your mind a special case? Is that in itself not a display of bias?

remember the definition off bias:-
inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair.

Your comment was in response to Mr Torpedo who said:-
Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers.

Scientists do it all the time. Perform experiments where they have a good idea of what the answer is.

The issue here is why shouldn't flat earth believers be asked for proof, as I keep saying you do it ALL the time. Asking people to back up their claims is a fairly normal way to conduct a debate for normal people. The other issue is as I said earlier, why do you continue to ask for proof from flat earthers when you think it's inherently biased?

Not asking them for proof and treating them as a special case is displaying a favourable bias. Treating them like everyone else is NOT displaying a bias.

PS.
no doubt you will respond by calling all this BS along with claiming Im a liar! While you're at it just show me where the BS is and point out the lies!

I see your back to this tactic...evasion not answering the question. Oh well!

You sure do love your projection don't you.
You have had it explained repeatedly why I don't answer your questions, because they are nothing more than pathetic deflections away from the original point, often involving you entirely strawmanning my position.

As I said for the umpteenth time I see no problem asking people for proof

So I'll take that as a "yes"; you disagree that asking for proof that Earth is flat is biased and you are saying that asking for proof that Earth is flat is not biased.

Then why say this:

It’s got nothing to do with being biased
...
I’m not disagreeing with Jack because I don’t think it’s NOT biased

After explicitly disagreeing with my statement that it is biased?

Do you often conduct experiments where you have already drawn a conclusion? Seems like a pretty unscientific and biased way to look for answers.
Scientists do it all the time. Perform experiments where they have a good idea of what the answer is.

Do you know the difference between a scientist, and a pretend scientist that is really just following a religion?
Because you sure seem intent on pretending science is religion.

Again, can you two stick to arguing in AR?  I know, I'm just as guilty of it. 
Yes, Timmy believes asking for proof is not being biased.
Jack says an experiment should be as close to neutral as possible or it is biased.
There, Kabool said as much a couple of days ago.  You guys are arguing over nothing, just to argue.