What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #150 on: July 02, 2022, 10:34:32 PM »
Conversely, you have been provided with footage of a star going in and out of focus, showing that causes what we see; and you have been shown footage of other objects on Earth similarly badly focused, showing similar effects.

No, you've never shown ANY footage of such a thing.

Sure he did. Right there back on page 4. Why do you claim things that are flat out lies and so easily shown as such? At least make your lies challenging to refute. Your dome is boring.

They never said stars would appear like that, from an 'out of focus camera', either!
Probably because they thought people would have to be pretty dumb to not realise it is out of focus.


This is literally labelled as "out of focus stars"


This shows a star both in focus and out of focus. Notice how when it is in focus it appears as a small point, but when out of focus it appears much larger and has strange patterns?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #151 on: July 03, 2022, 12:33:51 AM »
When you already 'believe' that all the stars look like tiny points of light, no matter how they are magnified with instruments, without ANY PROOF OF THIS BEING TRUE, yet convinced there IS proof it is true, showing absolute proof of this NOT being true, would not convince you it's the truth.

When we finally have instruments that can show the stars close up, we can see they are NOTHING like they've claimed they are, how they look like when magnified.

None of them ever told us that stars look like this, and they knew, as we know, there is nothing on Earth that appears like this, so they COULDN'T have 'known' it's 'an effect of atmosphere', or 'being out of focus', and neither can YOU know that, because there is NO PREVIOUS EXAMPLE OF IT SHOWN ON EARTH!

Don't try telling me that they 'knew' it was 'an effect of atmosphere', and/or from 'being out of focus', when you have NEVER seen this happen on Earth, EVER, it's ridiculous, to lie about this happening on Earth.  Showing blurry lights and objects only makes it look more ridiculous.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #152 on: July 03, 2022, 01:24:01 AM »
When you already 'believe' that all the stars look like tiny points of light, no matter how they are magnified with instruments, without ANY PROOF OF THIS BEING TRUE, yet convinced there IS proof it is true, showing absolute proof of this NOT being true, would not convince you it's the truth.

When we finally have instruments that can show the stars close up, we can see they are NOTHING like they've claimed they are, how they look like when magnified.

None of them ever told us that stars look like this, and they knew, as we know, there is nothing on Earth that appears like this, so they COULDN'T have 'known' it's 'an effect of atmosphere', or 'being out of focus', and neither can YOU know that, because there is NO PREVIOUS EXAMPLE OF IT SHOWN ON EARTH!

Don't try telling me that they 'knew' it was 'an effect of atmosphere', and/or from 'being out of focus', when you have NEVER seen this happen on Earth, EVER, it's ridiculous, to lie about this happening on Earth.  Showing blurry lights and objects only makes it look more ridiculous.

Conversely, you have been provided with footage of a star going in and out of focus, showing that causes what we see; and you have been shown footage of other objects on Earth similarly badly focused, showing similar effects.

No, you've never shown ANY footage of such a thing.

Sure he did. Right there back on page 4. Why do you claim things that are flat out lies and so easily shown as such? At least make your lies challenging to refute. Your dome is boring.

They never said stars would appear like that, from an 'out of focus camera', either!
Probably because they thought people would have to be pretty dumb to not realise it is out of focus.


This is literally labelled as "out of focus stars"


This shows a star both in focus and out of focus. Notice how when it is in focus it appears as a small point, but when out of focus it appears much larger and has strange patterns?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #153 on: July 03, 2022, 03:03:10 AM »
When you already 'believe' that all the stars look like tiny points of light, no matter how they are magnified with instruments, without ANY PROOF OF THIS BEING TRUE, yet convinced there IS proof it is true, showing absolute proof of this NOT being true, would not convince you it's the truth.

When we finally have instruments that can show the stars close up, we can see they are NOTHING like they've claimed they are, how they look like when magnified.

None of them ever told us that stars look like this, and they knew, as we know, there is nothing on Earth that appears like this, so they COULDN'T have 'known' it's 'an effect of atmosphere', or 'being out of focus', and neither can YOU know that, because there is NO PREVIOUS EXAMPLE OF IT SHOWN ON EARTH!

Don't try telling me that they 'knew' it was 'an effect of atmosphere', and/or from 'being out of focus', when you have NEVER seen this happen on Earth, EVER, it's ridiculous, to lie about this happening on Earth.  Showing blurry lights and objects only makes it look more ridiculous.

Conversely, you have been provided with footage of a star going in and out of focus, showing that causes what we see; and you have been shown footage of other objects on Earth similarly badly focused, showing similar effects.

No, you've never shown ANY footage of such a thing.

Sure he did. Right there back on page 4. Why do you claim things that are flat out lies and so easily shown as such? At least make your lies challenging to refute. Your dome is boring.

They never said stars would appear like that, from an 'out of focus camera', either!
Probably because they thought people would have to be pretty dumb to not realise it is out of focus.


This is literally labelled as "out of focus stars"


This shows a star both in focus and out of focus. Notice how when it is in focus it appears as a small point, but when out of focus it appears much larger and has strange patterns?

Why would these videos always show one or two similar stars, while never showing any stars that look completely DIFFERENT from the one or two they DO show?

Because they are dishonest, and deceitful, they know how different stars cannot fit into their BS argument. Any effect would have to show all stars look the same, due to the same 'effect', they cannot look entirely DIFFERENT, move entirely DIFFERENT, from other stars, if it was due to the SAME effect, or effects, if they are supposedly all tiny points of light, but they DO look very different from one another, which proves it is NOT from any effect(s), so these scumbags IGNORE THEM, and pick out one or two that look as similar as possible, to spew about it being from 'effect', and/or being 'out of focus' cameras!

Even YOU know that other stars look completely DIFFERENT, don't you?

'Out of focus' cameras could NEVER make all the stars look, and move, so differently, let alone make ANY star appear to be in constant, endless motion. The whole argument is garbage, made out of pure desperation, lies and deceit.

And if you think it's bad now, you ain't seen nothin' yet - it is just the beginning.

Are you not aware that in future, cameras will only get better, have greater magnification, show sharper details of the stars, than they do today?

How sharp and close up will we see the stars in future, with better and better cameras, before  you will have no choice, but to admit to the truth? It's nothing to be afraid of.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #154 on: July 03, 2022, 10:30:58 AM »
Why would these videos always show one or two similar stars, while never showing any stars that look completely DIFFERENT from the one or two they DO show?

You said there were no videos posted. There were. Why did you lie?

Because they are dishonest, and deceitful, they know how different stars cannot fit into their BS argument.

Who is "they"?

How sharp and close up will we see the stars in future, with better and better cameras, before  you will have no choice, but to admit to the truth? It's nothing to be afraid of.

Pretty sharp. JWST is set to be fully commissioned in a week or so. We'll see some real sharpness like we've never seen before.





Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #155 on: July 08, 2022, 02:39:03 PM »
You said there were no videos posted. There were. Why did you lie?

No, you're mistaken about what I've said.

I said there were no videos showing any objects or light sources ON EARTH that compare to stars, which appear to constantly move, change shape, and show details, each one different than other stars do.

So no object/light on Earth behaves or looks like any STARS do, first of all.

Now, when your side DOES show any stars, you deliberately show stars that are circular in appearance, and never any stars which are NOT circular in appearance, to mislead the viewer that all stars look circular, which is completely false.

Here's an example of a star I posted earlier, showing how different it looks from the stars your side showed...





How can you possibly make any object or light source on Earth look like this, let alone make it change constantly, frame to frame? You cannot, it's impossible. 'Out of focus cameras', or the atmosphere, or both of them, cannot create such effects on any object/light source on Earth.

Otherwise, you'd have no problem showing examples of it, but none exist, and never WILL exist. It's about time you admitted to the truth for once, is it not?

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #156 on: July 08, 2022, 04:35:32 PM »
You said there were no videos posted. There were. Why did you lie?

No, you're mistaken about what I've said.

I said there were no videos showing any objects or light sources ON EARTH that compare to stars, which appear to constantly move, change shape, and show details, each one different than other stars do.

So no object/light on Earth behaves or looks like any STARS do, first of all.

What ON EARTH compares to stars? Are there stars on earth I'm not aware of? Is the Sun ON EARTH?

Now, when your side DOES show any stars, you deliberately show stars that are circular in appearance, and never any stars which are NOT circular in appearance, to mislead the viewer that all stars look circular, which is completely false.

Now, when your side DOES show any stars, you deliberately show stars that are shimmering and oscillating and shape-shifting  in appearance, and never any stars which are NOT shimmering and oscillating and shape-shifting in appearance, to mislead the viewer that all stars look shimmering and oscillating and shape-shifting, which is completely false.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #157 on: July 08, 2022, 04:43:49 PM »
You said there were no videos posted. There were. Why did you lie?

No, you're mistaken about what I've said.

I said there were no videos showing any objects or light sources ON EARTH that compare to stars, which appear to constantly move, change shape, and show details, each one different than other stars do.

So no object/light on Earth behaves or looks like any STARS do, first of all.

You keep ignoring my examples which look like your 'stars'.

Here they are AGAIN for your viewing pleasure, and anyone else who is curious.

How dumb do you have to be to mistake out of focus light sources for seeing details on stars? Have you never looked through a telescope?  You could clear this up in 30 seconds by trying that, or just remain ignorant. Your choice.

But keep on trolling if that's how you get your fun.  Responding is how I get mine. :)

https://i.imgur.com/JjSFZYh.mp4


Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #158 on: July 08, 2022, 05:37:57 PM »
Your 'lights' don't move, it's YOU that is moving your camera, that's why the whole FRAME keeps moving and shaking around like that.

The stars are moving, but the frame is shown to be STEADY, and is not causing the movements at all.

What a joke!

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #159 on: July 08, 2022, 05:43:49 PM »
Your 'lights' don't move, it's YOU that is moving your camera, that's why the whole FRAME keeps moving and shaking around like that.

The stars are moving, but the frame is shown to be STEADY, and is not causing the movements at all.

What a joke!

What does all this hyperbole about stars have to do with a flat earth?

Where’s the evidence for your dome?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #160 on: July 08, 2022, 07:13:59 PM »
Because seeing stars in detail, constantly, endlessly in motion, changing shapes over and over again, supports the flat Earth, covered above by the firmament, with stars and all below it, circling above the surface of Earth.

A ball Earth isn't speeding through an endless 'universe', or 'space' - it's a lie, and nothing else BUT a lie.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #161 on: July 08, 2022, 07:32:08 PM »
Because seeing stars in detail, constantly, endlessly in motion, changing shapes over and over again, supports the flat Earth, covered above by the firmament, with stars and all below it, circling above the surface of Earth.

A ball Earth isn't speeding through an endless 'universe', or 'space' - it's a lie, and nothing else BUT a lie.

But how exactly does any of that connect to a domed flat earth? What’s the connection?
How come the Sun doesn’t look how you describe? I mean it’s a star after all.

As well, where is your evidence for a dome?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #162 on: July 08, 2022, 07:50:48 PM »
Every single video I've seen of stars and 'planets', in close up, through telescopes or cameras, have shown them moving, all the time, constantly, without end.

Not from being 'out of focus', or 'an effect of atmosphere'.

Saturn is always in motion, which cannot be excused as 'out of focus', or 'effect of atmosphere', since it is ALWAYS moving about, in all videos of it. They couldn't have seen it stationary, because we now know that it's in constant, endless MOTION.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #163 on: July 08, 2022, 08:00:10 PM »
Every single video I've seen of stars and 'planets', in close up, through telescopes or cameras, have shown them moving, all the time, constantly, without end.

Not from being 'out of focus', or 'an effect of atmosphere'.

Saturn is always in motion, which cannot be excused as 'out of focus', or 'effect of atmosphere', since it is ALWAYS moving about, in all videos of it. They couldn't have seen it stationary, because we now know that it's in constant, endless MOTION.

But how exactly does any of that connect to a domed flat earth? What’s the connection?
How come the Sun doesn’t look how you describe? I mean it’s a star after all.

As well, where is your evidence for a dome?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #164 on: July 08, 2022, 08:19:58 PM »
Because having the stars close above Earth, it means they are below the firmament above Earth, and cannot be in 'space', trillions of miles away from Earth. It means Earth is NOT a ball speeding through endless 'space', too.

Stars are very important to the ball Earth fairy tale. They use our dark skies as an illusion of distant stars, having no way to determine actual distances of unknown objects within the darkness. The trick has been exposed, by us seeing them in detail now, showing they are small, and close to Earth, nothing at all like they told us.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #165 on: July 08, 2022, 09:21:29 PM »
Because having the stars close above Earth, it means they are below the firmament above Earth, and cannot be in 'space', trillions of miles away from Earth. It means Earth is NOT a ball speeding through endless 'space', too.

I still do not get your point. What do videos of shimmering stars have do with a star’s distance?

How close are these stars? What about the sun? It’s a star.

Where’s your evidence for a dome?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #166 on: July 08, 2022, 09:58:44 PM »
Because having the stars close above Earth, it means they are below the firmament above Earth, and cannot be in 'space', trillions of miles away from Earth. It means Earth is NOT a ball speeding through endless 'space', too.

I still do not get your point. What do videos of shimmering stars have do with a star’s distance?

How close are these stars? What about the sun? It’s a star.

Where’s your evidence for a dome?

The Sun is not a star, and stars are not Suns, either. That's just another lie they made up, to support their other lies, which support more lies, and so forth. It's BUILT upon a pile of lies, all in support of the biggest lie, that Earth is a ball in 'space'.

For centuries, we never saw stars up close, only THEY did, and they TOLD us what they 'looked like' through telescopes, was the same, tiny points of light WE saw by eye, only a bit larger points of light, and more sharp around the edges of it. Nothing else, but tiny points of light, were possible to see, with ANY magnification used on Earth. Because stars are trillions of miles away, it's impossible to ever SEE anything of them, but points of light, far away in 'space'!

And of course, they told us why stars 'twinkle', is from our atmosphere. Now we knew how stars looked, up close.....same tiny points of light as we see by eye, just a bit better than by eye!

Then they made up something that would make people believe that's how stars 'really' look, but we must follow specific steps before viewing all those tiny points of light, the BEST tiny points of light possible! Now, if you happen to see any star look NOT like a tiny point of light, you've made a mistake, as all stars look like tiny points of light, and we KNOW that, don't we? Sure we know it!


It's complete BS, and everyone will know it, someday, in future. It's inevitable.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #167 on: July 08, 2022, 10:14:38 PM »
Because having the stars close above Earth, it means they are below the firmament above Earth, and cannot be in 'space', trillions of miles away from Earth. It means Earth is NOT a ball speeding through endless 'space', too.

I still do not get your point. What do videos of shimmering stars have do with a star’s distance?

How close are these stars? What about the sun? It’s a star.

Where’s your evidence for a dome?

The Sun is not a star, and stars are not Suns, either. That's just another lie they made up, to support their other lies, which support more lies, and so forth. It's BUILT upon a pile of lies, all in support of the biggest lie, that Earth is a ball in 'space'.

For centuries, we never saw stars up close, only THEY did, and they TOLD us what they 'looked like' through telescopes, was the same, tiny points of light WE saw by eye, only a bit larger points of light, and more sharp around the edges of it. Nothing else, but tiny points of light, were possible to see, with ANY magnification used on Earth. Because stars are trillions of miles away, it's impossible to ever SEE anything of them, but points of light, far away in 'space'!

And of course, they told us why stars 'twinkle', is from our atmosphere. Now we knew how stars looked, up close.....same tiny points of light as we see by eye, just a bit better than by eye!

Then they made up something that would make people believe that's how stars 'really' look, but we must follow specific steps before viewing all those tiny points of light, the BEST tiny points of light possible! Now, if you happen to see any star look NOT like a tiny point of light, you've made a mistake, as all stars look like tiny points of light, and we KNOW that, don't we? Sure we know it!


It's complete BS, and everyone will know it, someday, in future. It's inevitable.
But how does this lead to imagining a dome or a flat Earth?
Sounds like crazy conspiracy ravings.  Who is THEY?  Why do THEY lie?  Is it the same THEY all throughout time?  Are THEY immortal?  How do THEY convince others to lie for them if/when THEY die

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #168 on: July 08, 2022, 10:35:56 PM »
In fact, some ball Earther's DID see those videos of rockets hitting the firmament, I didn't make it up. They still denied it was proof of the firmament existing, same as YOU'D deny it was, if you saw it.

They just made up some excuses for it, as being caused by the 'atmosphere', at higher altitudes as this, a 'little known effect', not normally seen, in lower altitudes commonly flown at.....

When only one or two such videos were seen, it's called 'a rare effect of atmosphere', the usual crap I've heard over and over again.

It's all about making up some BS excuses, and always WILL be, proof doesn't matter to you, I already KNOW that, by this point

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #169 on: July 08, 2022, 10:51:45 PM »
Because having the stars close above Earth, it means they are below the firmament above Earth, and cannot be in 'space', trillions of miles away from Earth. It means Earth is NOT a ball speeding through endless 'space', too.

I still do not get your point. What do videos of shimmering stars have do with a star’s distance?

How close are these stars? What about the sun? It’s a star.

Where’s your evidence for a dome?

The Sun is not a star, and stars are not Suns, either.

Says who and since when?


I still do not get your point. What do videos of shimmering stars have do with a star’s distance?

How close are these stars? What about the sun? It’s a star.

Where’s your evidence for a dome?

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #170 on: July 08, 2022, 11:06:09 PM »
Conversely, you have been provided with footage of a star going in and out of focus, showing that causes what we see; and you have been shown footage of other objects on Earth similarly badly focused, showing similar effects.
No, you've never shown ANY footage of such a thing.
Lying wont help you. They are right here in this thread.

If you are so confident in your delusional BS, why can't you provide the evidence to justify it?
Why can't you provide footage of the same star, at the same time from 2 different locations?
Why can't you show a light in the distance going in and out of focus, as viewed through a heat haze?

Is it because you know you are spouting BS?

When you already 'believe' that all the stars look like tiny points of light, no matter how they are magnified with instruments, without ANY PROOF OF THIS BEING TRUE, yet convinced there IS proof it is true, showing absolute proof of this NOT being true, would not convince you it's the truth.
Instead of repeatedly clinging to your fantasy, why don't we try sticking to reality?
In reality, plenty of us know from our own observations.
And you are yet to provide anything which would actually challenge that.

When we finally have instruments that can show the stars close up
Horribly out of focus is not up close.

Any effect would have to show all stars look the same
No, it wouldn't.
This is because the turbulent atmosphere is random.
That means it will produce different visual appearances with time and location.
Likewise, different cameras will produce a different effect.

The effect you have shown is nothing more than a combination of out of focus light viewed through a turbulent atmosphere.

If I recall correctly, you even provided what you claimed was footage of the same star which had it look completely different.

And if you think it's bad now, you ain't seen nothin' yet - it is just the beginning.
So you will be posting even worse dishonest, ignorant BS to try and prop up your fantasy?

Are you not aware that in future, cameras will only get better, have greater magnification, show sharper details of the stars, than they do today?
You can already get sharper details by fixing the focus.

Because seeing stars in detail, constantly, endlessly in motion, changing shapes over and over again, supports the flat Earth, covered above by the firmament, with stars and all below it, circling above the surface of Earth.
No, it doesn't.
It in no way addresses the multitude of evidence showing Earth is round.
There would be nothing stop the fantasy of stars you claim from working with a round Earth.

we must follow specific steps before viewing all those tiny points of light, the BEST tiny points of light possible!
I wouldn't call ensuring you have set the focus correctly to be following specific steps.

In fact, some ball Earther's DID see those videos of rockets hitting the firmament, I didn't make it up.
No, you did make it up.
They didn't see any videos of rockets hitting your non-existent firmament.
Instead we have seen videos which FEers dishonestly claim are videos of rockets hitting a firmament.
Like the Go Fast rocket I provided before, which FEers dishonestly claimed hit the firmament when it stopped spinning.

proof doesn't matter to you, I already KNOW that, by this point
Evidence matters to us, but it clearly doesn't matter to you.
You will dismiss anything that shows you are wrong as fake and repeatedly lie by claiming evidence doesn't exist.
You will provide complete garbage or entirely baseless assertions to try and prop up your fantasy.

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #171 on: July 09, 2022, 12:29:19 AM »
If you are so confident in your delusional BS, why can't you provide the evidence to justify it?
Why can't you provide footage of the same star, at the same time from 2 different locations?
Why can't you show a light in the distance going in and out of focus, as viewed through a heat haze?

No, it wouldn't.
This is because the turbulent atmosphere is random.
That means it will produce different visual appearances with time and location.
Likewise, different cameras will produce a different effect.

The effect you have shown is nothing more than a combination of out of focus light viewed through a turbulent atmosphere.

Despite no object or light on Earth even CLOSE to displaying that, but I'm sure you didn't make all that BS up out of pure desperation, right?

Our atmosphere does not, has not, CAN NOT, create such magical effects on objects or lights, or on your 'tiny points of light', which they are NOT, and that's why you have NOTHING on Earth that has ever done such magical stunts, because anyone knows that it's an absolute joke.

I've asked you to show any example of this happening here on Earth, knowing how idiotic the claim is, and it is completely idiotic, that's for sure.

Have a look at what you're saying here - objects appear to constantly move and change shape over and over again, from the effects of our atmosphere, and out of focus cameras!

Do you know how stupid that sounds? I mean, sorry to be blunt, but don't ever try saying that in public, you'd be laughed at, as a moron. They'd ask you where it's ever happened before, with any light or object on Earth. You'd probably show them something like that jittery clip where you move the camera all over, and shake it up and down, then claim it's 'just like stars look'!

I wish you luck with that, but don't say I didn't warn you of the consequences.....

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #172 on: July 09, 2022, 12:36:19 AM »
The sad part is, your endless denial that no light or object can do such things by an out of focus camera or effect of atmosphere, prevents you from appreciating the stunning beauty of stars, which God meant for us to see, and appreciate how magnificent they are, in every way.


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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #173 on: July 09, 2022, 12:49:52 AM »
Despite no object or light on Earth even CLOSE to displaying that
Except those you have already been provided with.

Again, care to show a video of an out of focus light through a heat haze?
Alternatively, care to show two videos of the same star at the same time from different locations?

Our atmosphere does not, has not, CAN NOT, create such magical effects on objects or lights
Again, have you never seen a heat haze?
There is nothing magical about it.

I've asked you to show any example of this happening here on Earth
And instead, I provided you footage of a star going in and out of focus, and JJA provided images showing similar effects.
Of course, because that shows you are wrong, you flee.

Do you know how stupid that sounds?
Think about what you are doing.
You are providing out of focus footage of stars through a turbulent atmosphere and claiming it shows the structure.
Do you know how stupid that sounds?

It doesn't take any significant level of intelligence to realise. But because you think it helps prop up your fantasy, you discard rational thought and just believe the BS.

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #174 on: July 09, 2022, 12:58:20 AM »
Btw, there are many videos of the SAME stars, taken at different points on Earth, at different times, and would certainly have different atmospheric conditions in them, too.
 
And they DO show the same thing, same shapes, same movements, proving it is NOT caused by the atmosphere, or out of focus cameras.

I assume that's what you wanted, with two videos from different points taken at the same time, that it was caused by the atmosphere being different at two places, and the star would look different at each of those two points?

It doesn't look different in different atmospheric conditions, and now you know that.

Any more excuses?

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #175 on: July 09, 2022, 01:54:04 AM »
Btw, there are many videos of the SAME stars, taken at different points on Earth, at different times, and would certainly have different atmospheric conditions in them, too.
 
And they DO show the same thing, same shapes, same movements, proving it is NOT caused by the atmosphere, or out of focus cameras.
Yet you don't provide any.

I assume that's what you wanted, with two videos from different points taken at the same time, that it was caused by the atmosphere being different at two places, and the star would look different at each of those two points?

It doesn't look different in different atmospheric conditions, and now you know that.
It comes down to just how different it is.
It is entirely possible for the atmospheric conditions to be similar enough, and the camera to be similar enough to produce similar effects, where it superficially appears to be the same, while the effects are still caused by the atmospheric conditions and camera.
Conversely, if it is shot at the same time, you can look for the same features.
For example, when 2 people take a picture of the moon at the same time, they see the same area of the moon illuminated; and when people take pictures of the sun, they can see the same sunspots in the same locations.

If it is genuinely a star being shot in focus showing features of that star, then you should be able to easily identify features on the star and track them over time, and these features should match between the 2 videos.

If instead it is a feature of the atmosphere and the camera being out of focus, then filming the star from different locations at the same time should show different (yet similar) features. This can mean that a feature lines up every now and then, but filming over a long enough period of time should show significant differences between the 2 views.

Any more excuses?
I will leave you to make up excuses. I will stick to rational thought.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #176 on: July 09, 2022, 05:42:25 AM »
Your 'lights' don't move, it's YOU that is moving your camera, that's why the whole FRAME keeps moving and shaking around like that.

The stars are moving, but the frame is shown to be STEADY, and is not causing the movements at all.

What a joke!

LOL.

That's what everyone has been telling you about your 'star' videos, that the stars are not moving around, the camera is shaking.

You claimed nothing on earth could show the same effect as your 'stars' and you have been proven wrong.  It's the same effect, an out of focus zoom lens from a handheld camera. 

You have to be trolling. You can't possibly be serious.

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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #177 on: July 09, 2022, 10:48:32 AM »
Any more excuses?

I still do not get your point. What do videos of shimmering stars have do with a star’s distance?

How close are these stars? What about the sun? It’s a star.

Why is the Sun not a star?

Any more excuses for not providing evidence of your dome?

Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #178 on: July 09, 2022, 10:33:01 PM »
It comes down to just how different it is.
It is entirely possible for the atmospheric conditions to be similar enough, and the camera to be similar enough to produce similar effects, where it superficially appears to be the same, while the effects are still caused by the atmospheric conditions and camera.
Conversely, if it is shot at the same time, you can look for the same features.
For example, when 2 people take a picture of the moon at the same time, they see the same area of the moon illuminated; and when people take pictures of the sun, they can see the same sunspots in the same locations.

If it is genuinely a star being shot in focus showing features of that star, then you should be able to easily identify features on the star and track them over time, and these features should match between the 2 videos.

If instead it is a feature of the atmosphere and the camera being out of focus, then filming the star from different locations at the same time should show different (yet similar) features. This can mean that a feature lines up every now and then, but filming over a long enough period of time should show significant differences between the 2 views.

You want two videos of the same star, taken at the exact same time, from two different positions - maybe 10 feet apart is fine, since you don't specify any distance between the points?

It's odd you don't specify any sort of distance between each point, since you're the one who's asking ME to present such videos FOR you.....

What would be your MINIMUM distance, between each point? I'm assuming you don't meant 20 or 200 feet apart, even though it DOES meet your 'requirements'...

So you want two videos taken by two people, at the exact same time, at a yet unknown distance apart from one another? I assume you want them to use the exact same camera, and settings, and so on?

Are you aware that two points on Earth separated by a FEW MILES can have different atmospheric conditions? Of course.

So when you ask for two videos of the same star, at the same time, simply being taken from two different points on Earth, will have differences in atmosphere, and temperature, and humidity, and so on.

Why do you think two videos of a star, taken in different conditions, at different angles, and so on, should somehow look 'exactly the same'? How would you quantify what 'the same' is, or is not? I suppose it's whatever you SAY it means, right?

How can you even account for each point's different conditions, and adjust for them after taking the videos? The angle cannot ever be adjusted for, among other things.



All of your 'requirements', which are not yet defined, ignore the real problem, which is that you've NEVER SHOWN ANYTHING LIKE THIS ON EARTH, which is the FIRST REQUIREMENT HERE.

You say this is caused by XYZ, without EVER showing any examples of it on Earth. Your blurry crap with shaking cameras is NOT an 'example' of it, but I guess that's the best you could do, even if it's worthless crap....

The first problem, is that ALL the stars move constantly, change shape and or details, change in color, and are all different, to various degrees, for every OTHER star.

So that's millions of stars, which ALL are moving, changing shape, etc. While none anywhere on Earth, among trillions of objects....

There has NEVER been a light, or an object that emits light, or any object, PERIOD, which has appeared to constantly, endlessly move, on the Earth. 

If you cannot tell the difference between YOUR example, and how stars look close up, there's no point in trying to have an honest debate with you.

But, I hope you are honest enough to see they are not even close to the same....


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Re: What experiments can I do to prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #179 on: July 09, 2022, 10:51:04 PM »


LOL.

That's what everyone has been telling you about your 'star' videos, that the stars are not moving around, the camera is shaking.

You claimed nothing on earth could show the same effect as your 'stars' and you have been proven wrong.  It's the same effect, an out of focus zoom lens from a handheld camera. 

You have to be trolling. You can't possibly be serious.

It's useless to debate someone who thinks objects on Earth appear to constantly move, and change shape, and show clear DETAILS which change position, by using an 'out of focus camera', and filming it, while shaking the camera all over....

Look at the frame moving everywhere in your clip, and look at the star videos, and see how the frame is NOT moving all over, like in your clip.   

I hope you can see how different your example is, because it's blatantly obvious.