Transparency and credibility of factual facts

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Transparency and credibility of factual facts
« on: May 08, 2022, 07:46:14 AM »
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Matthew 5:18
The Prophet Jesus peace be upon him,
came to complete the law of the ancient prophets
Without decrease or increase

In fact, entire books of the Bible were forged.[This doesn’t mean their content is necessarily wrong, but it certainly doesn’t mean it’s right. So which books were forged? Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, and Jude—a whopping nine of the twenty-seven New Testament books and epistles—are to one degree or another suspect.
Forged books? In the Bible?

Why are we not surprised? After all, even the gospel authors are unknown. In fact, they’re anonymous.Biblical scholars rarely, if ever, ascribe gospel authorship to Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. As Ehrman tells us, “Most scholars today have abandoned these identifications, and recognize that the books were written by otherwise unknown but relatively well-educated Greek-speaking (and writing) Christians during the second half of the first century.” Graham Stanton affirms, “The gospels, unlike most Graeco-Roman writings, are anonymous. The familiar headings which give the name of an author (‘The Gospel according to …’) were not part of the original manuscripts, for they were added only early in the second century.”

So what, if anything, did Jesus’ disciples have to do with authoring the gospels? Little or nothing, so far as we know. But we have no reason to believe they authored any of the books of the Bible. To begin with, let us remember Mark was a secretary to Peter, and Luke a companion to Paul. The verses of Luke 6:14-16 and Matthew 10:2-4 catalogue the twelve disciples, and although these lists differ over two names, Mark and Luke don’t make either list. So only Matthew and John were true disciples. But all the same, modern scholars pretty much disqualify them as authors anyway.
Why?

Good question. John being the more famous of the two, why should we disqualify him from having authored the Gospel of “John”?
Umm … because he was dead?

Multiple sources acknowledge there is no evidence, other than questionable testimonies of second century authors, to suggest that the disciple John was the author of the Gospel of “John.”[Perhaps the most convincing refutation is that the disciple John is believed to have died in or around 98 CE.However, the Gospel of John was written circa 110 CE.[ So whoever Luke (Paul’s companion), Mark (Peter’s secretary), and John (the unknown, but certainly not the long-dead one) were, we have no reason to believe any of the gospels were authored by Jesus’ disciples


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Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2022, 07:56:14 AM »
What are you talking about now? More bible bashing? So what? It's a book of fables, translated and reinterpreted over and over and over again. We know this. No one cares

The Quran can also be bashed. It is a book about violence, hell and intolerance. As evidenced by your preaching and the fact the Middle East has not known peace since Islams conception.

Every brand of Islam thinks the other brand is going to hell for not being extreme enough. Look at the Taliban. Look at ISIS. Look at Wahhabism. All built on violence, death and intolerance for anyone not like them.

Bash the bible all you want. No one on this forum gives a damn really. But lets not pretend you and Islam is the bastion of peace and love. You have to be the WORST preacher ever as every time you post, it just makes people HATE Islam even more.

Tell us. Why do you even bother? What do you get out of riling people against Islam? 

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2022, 08:05:50 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2022, 08:53:56 AM »
Has anyone on this forum ever given you indication that they can read those scribbles or even watch a single video you have ever posted?

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2022, 09:59:08 AM »
What are you talking about now?
He's just copy pasting this shit anyway. 

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Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2022, 10:53:54 AM »
He's an evangelist!

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2022, 11:35:43 AM »
Jesus did not write the bible that was revealed by God. Not even was it written immediately after his departure. He did not order or desire at any time in his life to write anything on his behalf. Therefore, the Bible which is in circulation today is not a representation of Jesus' teachings.

Out of the total of 27 Books of the New Testament, more than half is authored by Paul. As opposed to Paul, the Master has not written a single word of the twenty-seven books. If you can lay your hands on what is called "'A Red Letter Bible," you will find every word alleged to have been uttered by Jesus - in red ink and the rest in normal black ink. Don't be shocked to find that in this so called Gospel of Jesus, over ninety percent of the 27 Books of the New Testament is printed in black ink!

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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2022, 11:37:27 AM »
Jesus did not write the bible that was revealed by God. Not even was it written immediately after his departure. He did not order or desire at any time in his life to write anything on his behalf. Therefore, the Bible which is in circulation today is not a representation of Jesus' teachings.

Out of the total of 27 Books of the New Testament, more than half is authored by Paul. As opposed to Paul, the Master has not written a single word of the twenty-seven books. If you can lay your hands on what is called "'A Red Letter Bible," you will find every word alleged to have been uttered by Jesus - in red ink and the rest in normal black ink. Don't be shocked to find that in this so called Gospel of Jesus, over ninety percent of the 27 Books of the New Testament is printed in black ink!

Yeah, most books have black ink. What do you have against black? Are you inkist?

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Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2022, 05:11:56 PM »
"Transparency and credibility of factual facts" as it is
VS
preachers words

Those who don't google will think religion is identical with preacher's words.
In fact, preachers could be just politicians with religious cloths.

The Prophet's family through out generations were victims of violence by "Muslims". They became martyrs.
Google will blame such "Muslims" either by thoughts and act.
Shia more represents Islam than Sunni.
Even Sunni hadiths validates Shia.
Preacher's words is not religion, especially when they intentionally spread fake teachings. They hide some of the hadiths.
But Google knows what they are doing.
Internationally, Shia is acknowledged as part of Islam. They are even allowed to go Hajj by their "enemy" i.e. Saudi Arabia.
"Shia is not Islam" line is just psyop.
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2022, 08:58:11 PM »
Jesus did not write the bible that was revealed by God.

Muhammad didn't write the Quran either.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2022, 10:45:32 PM »
I'm still stuck on the 'factual facts' it to be honest. Like, is there an infactual fact?

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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2022, 10:55:46 PM »
I'm still stuck on the 'factual facts' it to be honest. Like, is there an infactual fact?

Ever listen to a democrat?

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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2022, 08:11:17 AM »
Jesus did not write the bible that was revealed by God. Not even was it written immediately after his departure. He did not order or desire at any time in his life to write anything on his behalf. Therefore, the Bible which is in circulation today is not a representation of Jesus' teachings.

Did Jesus tell you this, because I'm not sure how else you would know what he did 2000 years ago. I hope you got it on video.

Re: Transparency and credibility of factual facts
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2022, 05:38:34 AM »
None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period.  The most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century, three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry.  But the originals?  Lost.  And the copies of the originals?  Also lost.  Our most ancient manuscripts, in other words, are copies of the copies of the copies of nobody-knows-just-how-many copies of the originals.



In the words of Metzger and Ehrman, “Since most, if not all, of them [the scribes] would have been amateurs in the art of copying, a relatively large number of mistakes no doubt crept into their texts as they reproduced them.” Worse yet, some scribes allowed doctrinal prejudice to influence their transmission of scripture. As Ehrman states, “The scribes who copied the texts changed them.”More specifically, “The number of deliberate alterations made in the interest of doctrine is difficult to assess.”  And even more specifically, “In the technical parlance of textual criticism—which I retain for its significant ironies—these scribes ‘corrupted’ their texts for theological reasons.”

Errors were introduced in the form of additions, deletions, substitutions and modifications, most commonly of words or lines, but occasionally of entire verses.



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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2022, 06:14:35 AM »
There's some pretty cool Codex in Assassins Creed 1, 2 and 3 games. Their take on religion is the one I prefer to follow.

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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2022, 08:50:30 PM »

Those who don't google will think religion is identical with preacher's words. In fact, preachers could be just politicians with religious cloths.

So religion is a sham propagated by charlatans.   




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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2022, 11:42:25 PM »

Those who don't google will think religion is identical with preacher's words. In fact, preachers could be just politicians with religious cloths.

So religion is a sham propagated by charlatans.

How easy nowadays you go anywhere by plane while without religious people back then you'd have only been able to go by horse.
Try again your history class  ;D

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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2022, 12:41:35 AM »

Those who don't google will think religion is identical with preacher's words. In fact, preachers could be just politicians with religious cloths.

So religion is a sham propagated by charlatans.

How easy nowadays you go anywhere by plane while without religious people back then you'd have only been able to go by horse.
Try again your history class  ;D




What's the name of that chick?

Hey yasoooo is she pretty? Or is she eligible to be raped because she shows her face and put on makeup? Will she burn in hell?

Some Muslim preaching fuckwit in Australia years ago said any woman who does anything to beautify her appearance is eligible for rape. Is that your position too?

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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2022, 01:05:49 AM »
She looks creepy. 

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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2022, 03:37:55 AM »
Dian Sastrowardoyo, when she was younger


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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2022, 04:37:41 AM »



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Charm is deceitful and beauty is vain,
but a woman who fears Adonai will be praised.

Proverbs 31:30

It shows that beauty and beauty are deception and apparent deception, and a good woman is the one who is praised by people for her good action



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The First Letter of Paul to the Corinthians: Chapter 11

6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.


Here, a woman who prays with her hair uncovered 
 should cut her hair or shave her head

If we apply this, we will not find a Christian woman with her hair

The truth is that a woman should modestly cover her hair during prayer and when she leaves the house




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 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

1 Timothy 2:9-15


The writer of the letter advises that women should appear in a decent and modest appearance

He covers the faults, and makes it clear that the true adornment of a woman is reason, modesty and sobriety


It is not the visible adornment, and after that the writer forbids the ornaments of all kinds

And adornment with clothes or hair braids, and he says in the end that this is what befits a believing woman

Taqiyya, where true adornment lies in fearing God and obeying His command




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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2022, 04:49:06 AM »
So because men like you cant control their hard ons, you demand women cover up? Do you have any idea how fucked up that is?

An Islamic preacher/cleric went on national TV here to say if a women beautifies her appearence (like putting on makeup) she is eligible for rape. Is that your take yasoooo?

Do you see why Islam has a branding problem? Did you think maybe it is Islam who needs to take a good hard look at itself?

If the sight of a womans hair has you getting a mad stiffy maybe YOU should jerk off before you leave the house!

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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2022, 06:48:27 AM »

Many church fathers, notably Origin, Jerome, Athanasius, and Cyril of Jerusalem, denied the Apocrypha’s inspiration and canonicity. The early Jews of Palestine, including the Jewish Council of Jamnia which met in A.D. 90, rejected the Apocrypha as Scripture. Also, Philo, a Jewish teacher who lived in the first century, quoted from virtually every Old Testament canonical book, but never once quoted from the Apocrypha.

At the time of the compiling of the Canon of Scripture, at the Council of Nicea, the books of the Apocrypha were not known in Hebrew,

There are historical errors in the Apocrypha. John Ankerberg and John Weldon summarize a few of these:

Tobit contains certain historical and geographical errors such as the assumption that
Sennacherib was the son of Shalmaneser (1:15) instead of Sargon II, and that Nineveh
was captured by Nebuchadnezzar and Ahasuerus (14:5) instead of by Nabopolassar
and Cyazares….Judith cannot possible be historical because of the glaring errors it
contains….[In 2 Maccabees] there are also numerous disarrangements and discrepancies
in chronological, historical, and numerical matters in the book, reflecting ignorance or
confusion. [John Ankerberg and John Weldon, Protestants and Catholics:
Do They Now Agree? p.59]


that the apocryphal books contain many historical errors?


The Apocrypha contains a number of unbiblical doctrines, such as the doctrine of the mass (2 Maccabees 12:42-45; compare with Hebrews 7:27), the notion that the world was created out of preexistent matter (Wisdom of Solomon; compare with Genesis 1 and Psalm 33:9), the idea that giving alms and other works can make an atonement for sin (Ecclesiasticus [Sirach] 3:3; 3:30; 5:5; 20:28; 35:1-4; 45:16; 45:23; compare with Romans 3:20), the invocation and intercession of the saints (2 Maccabees 15:14; Baruch 3:4; compare with Matthew 6:9), the worship of angels (Tobit 12:12; compare with Colossians 2:18), purgatory and the redemption of souls after death (2 Maccabees 12:42,45; compare with Hebrews 9:27).

Roman Catholic does not represent Christianity, their doctrines are not based in the Bible but on pagan traditions.

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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2022, 07:07:33 AM »
yasoooo you should know by know if you ignore my questions I just ask again and whatever you said ends up ignored

Do you believe women who 'beautify their appearance' are eligible to be raped? If a woman walked past you and you can see her hair and she's put on make up and shes wearing a nice dress would you drag her to a secluded place, ring your friends and gang rape her? (this was the context of the Muslim cleric who defended Muslim rapists to an Aussie teenager)


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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2022, 08:34:36 AM »
أمريكية مسيحية تعتنق الإسلام بسبب آية في الإنجيل يخفيها المسيحيون عن العالم خوفاً من الفضيحة


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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2022, 08:39:45 AM »
Sorry yasooo, I dont speak scribbily goobledegook

Can you answer in your own words?

Do you believe women who 'beautify their appearance' are eligible to be raped? If a woman walked past you and you can see her hair and she's put on make up and shes wearing a nice dress would you drag her to a secluded place, ring your friends and gang rape her?

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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2022, 09:06:15 AM »
No of course
but
   she must return to her holy book and abide by its teachings modestly
Because in every society, lost sheep can harm her
God’s teachings are good for mankind

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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2022, 09:14:57 AM »
lost sheep
That's an interesting rebranding of rapists.
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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2022, 09:19:11 AM »

Those who don't google will think religion is identical with preacher's words. In fact, preachers could be just politicians with religious cloths.

So religion is a sham propagated by charlatans.

How easy nowadays you go anywhere by plane while without religious people back then you'd have only been able to go by horse.
Try again your history class  ;D




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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2022, 09:19:47 AM »
No of course
but
   she must return to her holy book and abide by its teachings modestly
Because in every society, lost sheep can harm her
God’s teachings are good for mankind

Return to her book suggests she is religious. What if she isn't and chooses to live free? What if she decides that she shouldn;t have to stifle her enjoyments and freedoms just because men around her think with their dicks and not their heads? Keep in mind an Islamic preacher told Muslims it was okay to rape people like that. This was not about 'lost sheep'. Indeed, these rapists were only following the extreme rhetoric of Islam from clerics who hold influence

Why does Islam blame victims of rape and not perpetrators? 'Oh, she showed off her hair so the guys obviously got aroused and raped her. Not their fault she did that - she should have kept it hidden - the fault is hers'

Do you not see how screwed up that ideology is? Also keep in mind Australia is NOT an Islamic country - not by a long shot.

Tell me yasoooo - what would you do if your wife told you she was not in the mood for sex? Would you proceed anyway? Is there such a thing as marital rape in Islam? Some preachers claimed it was OK to hit your wife if she didn't do as the man told. What's your stance on the notion of marital rape or hitting a wife that doesn't 'do as she's told'?

Someones religion or lack thereof is nobody elses business.

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