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Re: Some Pics
« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2022, 04:38:32 AM »
I would think.

Are you having a conversation with yourself?

How is something like this 'horizon above the clouds'?


It's so fuzzy I'm not sure what I'm even looking at?

Or this:


Just a nighttime-ish shot out an airplane widow showing a cloud layer and sky above. What's the "actual evidence" of anything other than that?

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« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2022, 05:07:49 AM »
The last one actually shows, if you know how to draw a circle and a triangle, that the suns rays coming in at angle will light up some cloud and the earth will block the rest


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« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2022, 06:13:09 AM »
I think i already adressed this.
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« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2022, 11:39:04 AM »
I think i already adressed this.

The closest I could find of you addressing this is:

The pics of the clouds - sorry not ot waste anybodies time, but i think what i witnessed or thought i may be seeing something along the lines that : the light spots were not breaks in the clouds but mirages on top of the gtrey which were almost like evaporating out of sight clearly demonstrating clearly that the horizon works quite differently then, i presume, most think. now, again, i appologize, but i am not sure if i actually saw this, got a pic, or fathomed it could be determined by the pics if this was happening or not...

I have no idea what any of that means. I'm not even sure what point you were trying to make with these pictures or that paragraph. Mirages, evaporation, clearly demonstrating that horizons don't work how we think? How do they work? How do they not work how we think? What are you trying to say with all this?

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« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2022, 02:07:59 PM »
Look at the code in this post. It's how you post an image.



Notice the "width=XXX". The 'XXX' is pixels. It's how you can regulate the size of the image display. Useful so you don't post an unnecessarily massive image.

If you learn how to post an image, it makes it easier for everyone to simply view them here and not have to click on each, launching another tab/window for each.
I provide you atcual solid evidence that the earth is flat and you are complaining about clicking on a liink...
Oh yeah and i ... am ... a psyop ...??? I'll just wait and see your response.

Faded Mike, you provided solid evidence the Earth horizon  "looks" flat in photos and there are interesting atmosphere effects, not that the Earth horizon or the Earth for that matter, "is" flat.
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« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2022, 10:16:18 PM »
So your saying the actual refraction is more like 50 - 60% as opposed to the max 15% i quoted?
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Re: Some Pics
« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2022, 10:17:43 PM »
And that is why as shifter has solemnly countered "we know you are wrong" when i sadi to jack black thati think he is wrong when he stated the above?
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
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« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2022, 10:18:53 PM »
Oh and jsck black - pls define "bullshit", klike how you were saying dilusional stuff from me.
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« Reply #68 on: May 26, 2022, 04:51:24 PM »
So your saying the actual refraction is more like 50 - 60% as opposed to the max 15% i quoted?
You didn't quote a maximum. You quoted standard.
That is likely why shifter said you are wrong. Because you claimed the standard amount as a maximum.

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« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2022, 01:46:15 AM »
"Thats a lot of curvature missing...why is it like that?'
"Simple, refraction"

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« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2022, 02:14:10 AM »
"Thats a lot of curvature missing...why is it like that?'
No, it isn't.
It is an entirely unknown amount missing based upon the location being unknown and the altitude of the observer unknown.

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« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2022, 02:30:35 AM »
You dont know!
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« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2022, 02:44:36 AM »
You dont know!
Just let jack bloviate.   

Let him spew his thoughts.

It's not like anyone cares. 




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« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2022, 02:49:02 AM »
You dont know!
That's the point.
No one knows.
No one knows where the picture was taken from.
So no one knows how much of the buildings should be hidden.
So no ones knows if there is missing curvature.

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« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2022, 03:25:36 AM »
Below is a picture taken in a snowstorm. I can't see any buildings. Therefore the earth is a triangle.

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« Reply #75 on: May 29, 2022, 02:42:49 PM »
You dont know!
That's the point.
No one knows.
No one knows where the picture was taken from.
So no one knows how much of the buildings should be hidden.
So no ones knows if there is missing curvature.
How can you even say that. i clarified the details and then you went back and said they were unkown.
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
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theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

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« Reply #76 on: May 29, 2022, 02:44:51 PM »
Below is a picture taken in a snowstorm. I can't see any buildings. Therefore the earth is a triangle.
Explain your sentiments.
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
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theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

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« Reply #77 on: May 29, 2022, 02:55:37 PM »
You dont know!
That's the point.
No one knows.
No one knows where the picture was taken from.
So no one knows how much of the buildings should be hidden.
So no ones knows if there is missing curvature.
How can you even say that. i clarified the details and then you went back and said they were unkown.
Where? 
What was the:
Time of day
Location
Direction
Distance between the objects
Temperature, exact time/date/location and we can look it up.

Not probably, what is the actual data for the picture?
You, not understanding/cherrypicking things/blatantly lying is not evidence for missing curvature.
Notice how we want the data and conditions so we can determine co tributing factors and you want to just ignore and lie about things?  Kinda shows what side the honesty is coming from. 

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« Reply #78 on: May 29, 2022, 03:38:11 PM »
Below is a picture taken in a snowstorm. I can't see any buildings. Therefore the earth is a triangle.
Explain your sentiments.
I'm using your logic, you should understand perfectly how a bad picture with only a vague idea of it's location and when it was taken can perfectly show Earth to be a triangle.

If you think Earth is not a triangle then explain my picture.

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« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2022, 04:02:28 PM »
How can you even say that. i clarified the details and then you went back and said they were unkown.
Because you didn't clarify the details with any justification.
You started off admitting you didn't know, giving an impossible location.
But then magically you "clarify" to try to produce numbers showing a RE is wrong.

and you have even gone back and edited the OP to remove those numbers you originally provided.

Why should we accept those numbers?
On what basis have you determined these numbers?

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« Reply #80 on: May 29, 2022, 04:27:34 PM »
You dont know!
That's the point.
No one knows.
No one knows where the picture was taken from.
So no one knows how much of the buildings should be hidden.
So no ones knows if there is missing curvature.
How can you even say that. i clarified the details and then you went back and said they were unkown.

What details? You didn't provide any details.

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« Reply #81 on: June 01, 2022, 11:28:15 PM »
An ocean swell could easily take care of some of the objections.
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
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« Reply #82 on: June 01, 2022, 11:40:07 PM »
You dont know!
That's the point.
No one knows.
No one knows where the picture was taken from.
So no one knows how much of the buildings should be hidden.
So no ones knows if there is missing curvature.

How can you even say that. i clarified the details and then you went back and said they were unkown.
Where? 
What was the:
Time of day
Location
Direction
Distance between the objects
Temperature, exact time/date/location and we can look it up.

Not probably, what is the actual data for the picture?
You, not understanding/cherrypicking things/blatantly lying is not evidence for missing curvature.
Notice how we want the data and conditions so we can determine co tributing factors and you want to just ignore and lie about things?  Kinda shows what side the honesty is coming from.
oK, i am thnking an "at least" will work here. The location was either batey el soco harbor or further east, and then we had been in the boat for 5 or 10 mins (not 100 % sure), seems to me the trip to sayona island was only 1/2 hr, but this does not seem right, i will try to confirm. i actually remember thinking that i was already getting a good shot and we had just started so i think it was right out form batey el soco. But i was also really emotinal, so i may have misjudged the time.
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
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theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

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« Reply #83 on: June 01, 2022, 11:42:18 PM »
Below is a picture taken in a snowstorm. I can't see any buildings. Therefore the earth is a triangle.
Explain your sentiments.
I'm using your logic, you should understand perfectly how a bad picture with only a vague idea of it's location and when it was taken can perfectly show Earth to be a triangle.

If you think Earth is not a triangle then explain my picture.
NO NO NO. I told you the pic is from at least 40miles from the edge of downtown. And you can see like 10 stories? So I think ocean swell fits just as well.
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
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theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

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« Reply #84 on: June 01, 2022, 11:47:41 PM »
How can you even say that. i clarified the details and then you went back and said they were unkown.
Because you didn't clarify the details with any justification.
You started off admitting you didn't know, giving an impossible location.
But then magically you "clarify" to try to produce numbers showing a RE is wrong.

and you have even gone back and edited the OP to remove those numbers you originally provided.

Why should we accept those numbers?
On what basis have you determined these numbers?
I didnt remove any numbers - what are you taling about...?
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
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« Reply #85 on: June 01, 2022, 11:52:28 PM »
How can you even say that. i clarified the details and then you went back and said they were unkown.
Because you didn't clarify the details with any justification.
You started off admitting you didn't know, giving an impossible location.
But then magically you "clarify" to try to produce numbers showing a RE is wrong.

and you have even gone back and edited the OP to remove those numbers you originally provided.

Why should we accept those numbers?
On what basis have you determined these numbers?
I dont even want to start with you because i think you wil try every trick in the book, some of which i am not prepared to learn the counter argument for  - i feel that you are a professinal "round" earther on the flat earth society web page. So what did i delete?

however when you said there is no line of sight from batey to  santo domingo, i was definitely scratching my head - but i think an ocean swell could account for this.

So waht kindof conditions would we be looking for to get this super refraction?
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Re: Some Pics
« Reply #86 on: June 02, 2022, 12:22:58 AM »
How can you even say that. i clarified the details and then you went back and said they were unkown.
Because you didn't clarify the details with any justification.
You started off admitting you didn't know, giving an impossible location.
But then magically you "clarify" to try to produce numbers showing a RE is wrong.

and you have even gone back and edited the OP to remove those numbers you originally provided.

Why should we accept those numbers?
On what basis have you determined these numbers?
I dont even want to start with you because i think you wil try every trick in the book, some of which i am not prepared to learn the counter argument for  - i feel that you are a professinal "round" earther on the flat earth society web page. So what did i delete?

however when you said there is no line of sight from batey to  santo domingo, i was definitely scratching my head - but i think an ocean swell could account for this.

So waht kindof conditions would we be looking for to get this super refraction?

You start off with, "I don't want to start with you...you are a professinal "round" earther." What's a professional round earther? In any case, you say you don't want to engage, then proceed to ask engaging questions. Which is it?

So, back to the original:

- Where exactly were you?
- What buildings are we looking at? Which ones? The tallest building in Santo Domingo, if that's what we're even looking at, is the Torre Anacaona 27, 41 stories, 591 ft tall, built in    2017. Second tallest, the Torre Caney,   42 stories, 502 ft tall, built in 2008...and so on. The web provides a list of the tallest buildings in Santo Domingo.
- How far from the buildings were you, exactly?
- What was your elevation, exactly?

Maybe an ocean swell got in the way of your photo. Anyone's guess. Looks fairly calm, but who knows what it was like near the buildings. No one knows. But you also have to ask yourself, "Are all the photos showing the bottoms of things obscured caused by ocean swells?" All of them? And what if we see the same effect and there is no water nearby to swell? What's the explanation there, ground swells?

In short, to really examine something like this, you need to provide specifics. We been over this countless times and yet you're still all over the place with vagaries. I mean what can anyone do with this gobble-dee-goop of a mess:

"The location was either batey el soco harbor or further east, and then we had been in the boat for 5 or 10 mins (not 100 % sure), seems to me the trip to sayona island was only 1/2 hr, but this does not seem right, i will try to confirm. i actually remember thinking that i was already getting a good shot and we had just started so i think it was right out form batey el soco. But i was also really emotinal, so i may have misjudged the time."

See my bullet point questions above. That's what needs to be provided, not "I think, either here or there, I lost track of time, I was really emotional..." It kind of seems like you're a professional flat earther just trying to waste everyone's time with never being clear about anything. Are you paid to behave this way?

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Re: Some Pics
« Reply #87 on: June 02, 2022, 12:48:06 AM »
How can you even say that. i clarified the details and then you went back and said they were unkown.
Because you didn't clarify the details with any justification.
You started off admitting you didn't know, giving an impossible location.
But then magically you "clarify" to try to produce numbers showing a RE is wrong.

and you have even gone back and edited the OP to remove those numbers you originally provided.

Why should we accept those numbers?
On what basis have you determined these numbers?
I dont even want to start with you because i think you wil try every trick in the book, some of which i am not prepared to learn the counter argument for  - i feel that you are a professinal "round" earther on the flat earth society web page. So what did i delete?

however when you said there is no line of sight from batey to  santo domingo, i was definitely scratching my head - but i think an ocean swell could account for this.

So waht kindof conditions would we be looking for to get this super refraction?

You start off with, "I don't want to start with you...you are a professinal "round" earther." What's a professional round earther? In any case, you say you don't want to engage, then proceed to ask engaging questions. Which is it?

So, back to the original:

- Where exactly were you?
- What buildings are we looking at? Which ones? The tallest building in Santo Domingo, if that's what we're even looking at, is the Torre Anacaona 27, 41 stories, 591 ft tall, built in    2017. Second tallest, the Torre Caney,   42 stories, 502 ft tall, built in 2008...and so on. The web provides a list of the tallest buildings in Santo Domingo.
- How far from the buildings were you, exactly?
- What was your elevation, exactly?

Maybe an ocean swell got in the way of your photo. Anyone's guess. Looks fairly calm, but who knows what it was like near the buildings. No one knows. But you also have to ask yourself, "Are all the photos showing the bottoms of things obscured caused by ocean swells?" All of them? And what if we see the same effect and there is no water nearby to swell? What's the explanation there, ground swells?

In short, to really examine something like this, you need to provide specifics. We been over this countless times and yet you're still all over the place with vagaries. I mean what can anyone do with this gobble-dee-goop of a mess:

"The location was either batey el soco harbor or further east, and then we had been in the boat for 5 or 10 mins (not 100 % sure), seems to me the trip to sayona island was only 1/2 hr, but this does not seem right, i will try to confirm. i actually remember thinking that i was already getting a good shot and we had just started so i think it was right out form batey el soco. But i was also really emotinal, so i may have misjudged the time."

See my bullet point questions above. That's what needs to be provided, not "I think, either here or there, I lost track of time, I was really emotional..." It kind of seems like you're a professional flat earther just trying to waste everyone's time with never being clear about anything. Are you paid to behave this way?
OK how about you provide some info - like what kindof conditions lead to 50 percent refraction, as opposed o the 15% Samuel Rowbotham stated, and why dont you post a pic of these building you are proposing are the ones - the tallest ones.I have already stated that i will try to do this in a bit, but if you want to contribute some leg work (ahem finger work) mauyb you could do it. lets just figure this out.

 There is a group of 4 or 5 buildings that look like you can see the top 7ish(?) stories in the picture i posted. that alone should make it easier to ID - just find A map showing the 5
 ? tallest ? and if they are in a line pointing to sayona, well that is a pretty good start at an explanation. Any way, i will likely come back and do do some more investgating in a short bit. Like i said, dont want to bother anyone, unless you are a total jerk, just wanted to post some pics that i was pretty sure pose a problem to the theory. Their was no question in my mind, that this was not what i presented it as. Included were my after thoughts, side notes that it is possibly, like i said some buildings in between, nut i have looked into this twice, but not too extensively, as well when i drove along their (but was sight seeing as well so MAY have missed sometihng). It looks like a grouping of 4 or 5 buildings, but maybe a line.

Another thing - those questions you pose - you should know the answer to those already and post it. That would be a real worth while contribution.
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Re: Some Pics
« Reply #88 on: June 02, 2022, 01:58:01 AM »
oK, i am thnking an "at least" will work here. The location was either batey el soco harbor or further east, and then we had been in the boat for 5 or 10 mins (not 100 % sure), seems to me the trip to sayona island was only 1/2 hr, but this does not seem right, i will try to confirm. i actually remember thinking that i was already getting a good shot and we had just started so i think it was right out form batey el soco. But i was also really emotinal, so i may have misjudged the time.
"At least" only works if it can be justified, and is coherent.
Are you sure you weren't looking at San Pedro De Macoris?

NO NO NO. I told you the pic is from at least 40miles from the edge of downtown.
No, you started off saying you didn't know if it was 40 km or 40 miles.
a view i believe to be at least 4o km or maybe 40 miles
That is quite different to claiming it is at least 40 miles.

I didnt remove any numbers - what are you taling about...?
My bad, I misread it. The original numbers are still there.
The other points remain.
On what basis should we accept your numbers?
Why should we accept 40 miles instead of 40 km?

I dont even want to start with you because i think you wil try every trick in the book
Responding honestly, pointing out deficiencies in your claims, and showing it is compatible with the RE is not using every trick. It isn't using any trick.

however when you said there is no line of sight from batey to  santo domingo, i was definitely scratching my head - but i think an ocean swell could account for this.
I highly doubt it.
The ground in the way is around 20 m above sea level. So that would be quite a large swell.

So waht kindof conditions would we be looking for to get this super refraction?
A temperature inversion, but it doesn't need to be super refraction, at least not until you justify the numbers.


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Re: Some Pics
« Reply #89 on: June 02, 2022, 02:31:02 AM »
What do you mean coherent? And what is this san pedro marcois? Are you telling me there is another city in the between space?
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theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

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