What do you think about gun control laws?

buddy's badfaithed trolling
ignore this fool

Gun Violence from American citizens who are legal gun owners is practically zero.

I don't know about gun violence in general, but as far as mass shooting go, you are wrong...by a lot...as usual:

Number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and February 2022, by legality of shooter's weapons

I mean talk about blinkered, to reiterate, more children die by guns than from any other reason in your country.
That is appalling surely and purely down to your culture of gun ownership at any cost, and you still scrabble around trying to justify that cuture by blaming others.

Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)

Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003.  We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide.  This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty).  There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David.  State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003.  Social Science and Medicine.  2007; 64:656-64.

A separate study, published by the American Academy of Pediatrics in 2021, linked a rise in gun ownership during the pandemic to higher rates of gun injuries among - and inflicted by - children.

I mean talk about blinkered, to reiterate, more children die by guns than from any other reason in your country.
That is appalling surely and purely down to your culture of gun ownership at any cost, and you still scrabble around trying to justify that cuture by blaming others.

Imagine missing the point by as much as they did while hand waving away children having their lives cut short by guns.

But it's the gangs! And the foreigners! Not good, decent, god-fearing sportsmen like myself that open carry our weapons into McDonald's and Walmart because it's muh right to do so. Why, if I had been around at the time, I'd have solved the problem with my good-guy-gun before those thugs even had a chance to do the bad thing.

I mean talk about blinkered, to reiterate, more children die by guns than from any other reason in your country.
That is appalling surely and purely down to your culture of gun ownership at any cost, and you still scrabble around trying to justify that cuture by blaming others.

Certainly, the rise in knife related crimes in the UK:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089

is due to both the UK culture of buying knives at any cost... The saddest part is that if concealed carry were universal, the knife violence would surely go down.

How many kids are dying because of knife violence in the UK?

How many kids are dying because of knife violence in the UK?

Don't know... but whatever number it may be, it's not due to knives being dangerous sharp things, but rather that they can cause great harm in the hand of criminals or a klutz.

so if by that logic you had a 17 high velocity hollow point throwing knives and could extend that reach to 25-50yards they could also cause great harm in the hand of criminals or a klutz?

oh wait...someone already posted a stat on kids shooting themselves, their moms, or their brothers in the face.
and you already mentioned criminals...
good one
good irrelevant point about conceal carry.

hwo about you show us where the amount of criminals who know the other criminal has a gun decreased the amount of crime.
FFS why you think starting at the beginning would be very productive.
guns and USA is not a new thing.
you're clearly not new here.


piss off.
what's next?
the one time something happened in japan a maniac hacking school children?
your line of talking pionts is very obvious.
be less obvious.

Quote from: boydster on April 26, 2022, 01:23:37 PM

How many kids are dying because of knife violence in the UK?

Don't know... but whatever number it may be, it's not due to knives being dangerous sharp things, but rather that they can cause great harm in the hand of criminals or a klutz.

In 2021 it was 30

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-59916035

News flash - child stabbings also happen in America. How about you post some figures before anyone else does

buddy doesn't have enough time to show us in which 166pizer doc is his amazing 2week immune system vacation claim because he has "better things to do"

but has the time to be here trying to do something else.

piss off

what happened to the schizo guy who wanted to get a gun?

he's yet to say what gun he wants!

now that's interesting

I picked up a book at a charity store a few weeks back called Another day in the death of America, the story of the 23rd of November 2013 to be precise and the 10 children from 9 to 19 who were killed by guns in that 24 hours, none made the news, and yes there were gang killings, one of whom was probably a killer in his own right and the gun nuts will go yeah see, but he wasn't a smart kid, bought up in a neighbourhood where you didn't see many men over 25 cos they were either in prison or dead, their own fault right?

But one of the kids answered the door of his house and his step father shot him in the face, because he had decided to commit suicide by cop and the lads mother had thrown him out  a few years back.

In another house two kids left alone by the father of one, found his rifle and accidentally shot his friend through the chest.

Another, two young teens on the periphery of gang culture were feeling threatened by an older kid and got a gun (that easily), They were horsing around with it, he'd taken out the mag to make it safe and his girlfriend put it to his chest and pulled the trigger, bam!


Now you can explain away with blame and finger pointing all of these, but the point was, the author (Gary Younge) picked the day at random he could have picked any day that year or any other year and done that book and it would have left me with the same sense of bleakness, and none of them made the news.

And the gun troll brings up the knife deaths in the UK, sigh.

There were 34 firearm homicides in the US per million of population in 2016, compared with 0.48 shooting-related murders in the UK.
Knife murders are also higher stateside: there were 4.96 homicides “due to knives or cutting instruments” in the US for every million of population in 2016.

In Britain there were 3.26 homicides involving a sharp instrument per million people in the year from April 2016 to March 2017
So you kill more with guns and knives.

And this actually proves the point we are making, people kill people, but guns demonstrably make it easier and more likely.

So you kill more with guns and knives.

"We’re going to win so much, you’re going to be so sick and tired of winning!"

I'm so tired of winning. So, so very tired.

https://thecrimereport.org/2022/01/13/can-americans-keep-their-guns-safe/

Apparently there's been something of a push lately to require gun owners to secure their guns.  The fact that anyone would fight that legislation shows how deranged the discussion has gotten.

if parent's can't parent then they need to start teaching guns at school.

if a 5yo is shooting his feriend in the face
then they need to start teaching guns at school.

if you can have a fire drill and you can have a active shooter drill at school
then you can start teaching guns safety at school.


like many other things, parent's aren't parenting.
what's one more thing for taechers?




also
as personal safety weapon, that weapon better be on you at all times.
or else secure it.
in your hand bag is not secure.
that needs to be on your body.

It must be shit to only feel safe walking down the street if you’re packing a heavy lump of murder metal, just because anyone can.

Of course no one is safer when every arsehole has a gun and assumes everyone else does too.

A constant state of paranoia is great for gun sales though.

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if you can have a fire drill and you can have a active shooter drill at school
then you can start teaching guns safety at school.

Or, and colour me crazy here, don’t have a fucking death machine in your house any where near a kid at all.

Stop believing in the bullshit the NRA is pumping about the millions of gangbangers lining up outside your house, because the arms makers that run it want to make another billion dollars and your children are just acceptable losses to set against their profits.

also
as personal safety weapon, that weapon better be on you at all times.

? It had better be otherwise your paranoia won't let you out of the house?

Im just completing the thought for the thoughtless...

Or, and colour me crazy here, don’t have a fucking death machine in your house any where near a kid at all.

Hang on!  I thought this thread was about gun safety and not automobiles:

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/historical-fatality-trends/deaths-by-age-group/

So youre saying guns should have a licensing program, pass a competency test, sales of guns should be registered and transfer of ownership documented, safety requirements and recall standards, speed limits to curb unsafe usage, impounding for usafe usage, cops regularly patroling for fines, and locked up with access by a key.

My goodness.
Keep running through the talking points.


For you gun rights libeetarians you also seem to like having big govt enforce ugly expensive fences around your backyard swimming pools

So youre saying guns should have a licensing program, pass a competency test, sales of guns should be registered and transfer of ownership documented, safety requirements and recall standards, speed limits to curb unsafe usage, impounding for usafe usage, cops regularly patroling for fines, and locked up with access by a key.

But that already applies to both guns and cars.

So, if those things all work... Why are deaths from car accidents rising?

Again, criminals don't abide by the law.  That goes for things such as drunk driving, not wearing seat belts, disconnecting the safety features in a car, and even murdering random children with knives, guns, baseball bats, pillows, plastic bags, belts, or even just hands and feet.

Why not just admit that humans are violent creatures... and that laws against violence with Never Prevent violence?

Laws and the entire legal system can only deal with events that actually occur, unless we're talking about pre-crime....

Hmmm.... There seems to be an echo in here...

No
That applies to cars

And in SOME states it also applies to guns.
But not all states and not all points.

Extending the ability to kill one at a time vs many at a time is the difference.

People are violent.
No ones arguing that.

Keep failing.
Since youre aparently timsiiesi - bad arguments is your MO?
Only echos are in your head telling you how great youre doing.

Quote from: Themightykabool on April 27, 2022, 05:16:33 AM

So youre saying guns should have a licensing program, pass a competency test, sales of guns should be registered and transfer of ownership documented, safety requirements and recall standards, speed limits to curb unsafe usage, impounding for usafe usage, cops regularly patroling for fines, and locked up with access by a key.

Why not just admit that humans are violent creatures... and that laws against violence with Never Prevent violence?

AS TMK says.


Nobody is doubting the propensity for humans to kill each other, which is why it makes sense to limit their access to items specifically designed to do that one thing.

Extending the ability to kill one at a time vs many at a time is the difference..

Driving into a crowded market has been used to kill plenty of people at one time.

Therefore... Save the children! Let's Ban Cars!

Is that your proposal? No, just another smoke screen, you don’t care enough about the children to want to mitigate the problem that although cars kill people all around the developed nations it is only in the US where guns kill more children than cars, and they (guns) are exclusively made to kill, whereas cars are not.

Oh, neat, a red herring. Color me shocked. You could at least try to post like a new character.

The purpose of firing a gun is to take life. The purpose of driving a car is to travel. They are not the same.

Quote from: Themightykabool on April 27, 2022, 05:59:20 AM

Extending the ability to kill one at a time vs many at a time is the difference..

Driving into a crowded market has been used to kill plenty of people at one time.

Therefore... Save the children! Let's Ban Cars!

road curbs, barriers, and people's ability to run laterally, limiting attacks to outdoors near a road.
kinda limits car terrorism.

lets see
1 in toronto by incel POS
1 in paris by jihdais
1 in NY by jihadis
1 in waukesha, wisconsin by POS
1 in charlottesville by KKK

spanning XXXyears
just enough for my 5 fingers.

2022 already has 5 big notable shootings in one country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#2022
List of mass shootings (21st century)
2022
For a more comprehensive list, see List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022.
Date   Location   Dead   Injured   Total   Description
April 17, 2022   Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania   2   13[n 1]   15   2022 Pittsburgh shooting: An early morning shooting at a party held at an Airbnb rental property in the East Allegheny neighborhood killed two juveniles and wounded eight others. Five people sustained injuries such as broken bones and cuts when they jumped out windows to escape the gunfire.[9]
April 16, 2022   Columbia, South Carolina   0   14[n 2]   14   Columbiana Centre shooting: Nine people were injured by gunfire at the Columbiana Centre mall, while five more were injured in evacuation accidents.[10]
April 12, 2022   New York City, New York   0   29[n 3]   29   2022 New York City Subway attack: Ten people were shot when a gunman opened fire on a New York City Subway train as it approached the 36th Street station in the Sunset Park neighborhood. Immediately before the attack, the assailant donned a gas mask and threw smoke bombs. The incident caused 19 others to be injured as they fled. The attacker fled the scene and was arrested after police received a tip-off after a 30-hour manhunt. He was identified as 62 year old Frank James.[11][12]
April 3, 2022   Sacramento, California   6   12   18   2022 Sacramento shooting: A shooting in downtown Sacramento killed six people and injured twelve others. The gunmen remain at large.[13]
February 19, 2022   Portland, Oregon   1   5[n 4]   6   Normandale Park shooting: During a racial justice protest, a man confronted a group of protestors and engaged in an argument with them, before pulling out a gun and opening fire, killing one and wounding four others. One of the people in the group returned fire and wounded the perpetrator.[14]

keep failing.

running through your BS talking points.
ban knives?

how about banning super cars, loud exhausts, other racing gear not suitable for regular roads.
ya looks like cars are heavily regulated.
doesn't help your non point.

doesn't help your non point.

You're right... the only safe owner of mass death machines should be the Government...

you jumping around a lot
it's almost as if you don't have an actual argument



yes
beucase war is pretty disruptive and destabilizes the general function of govt as seen in famines and refugees and such in those "shit countries".

how many nuclear gov'ts are there?

are we talking about guns or WMD?