What do you think about gun control laws?

FlatAss! I think you are watching too much Hollywood and being infected by American paranoia and stranger danger, unless things are different than the rest of Europe, none of this semi or full auto, flak jacket, ceramic spiderweb, hollow point, quick draw gun masturbation will be of any use to you.

Unless the Russians come, in which case you will be toasted by some remote drone driven by an outsourced 6-year-old in Pakistan before you know what is going on.
Spend the money on coke and hookers.

Or worse, you might run into a situation with people being shot, and shoot another person with a gun who was also looking for the real shooter.

Even trained police officers miss most of their shots and cause a lot of collateral damage.  A bunch of untrained civilians in a confused situation with guns?  No thanks.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/index.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/02/police-officers-who-shot-two-innocent-women-103-times-wont-be-fired/357771/

There was that time a black security officer was killed by police because he had a gun and pinned down a real gunman

Guns suck arse!

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 13, 2022, 02:50:28 PM

Finally, a gun for nerds.

Aaahaha

Youtube gave that to me 2days ago.
Our algorithms are merging.
Dont tell my wife

Start wearing camo, and buy an AR!

Quote from: Themightykabool on February 13, 2022, 05:03:53 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 13, 2022, 02:50:28 PM

Finally, a gun for nerds.

Aaahaha

Youtube gave that to me 2days ago.
Our algorithms are merging.
Dont tell my wife

Start wearing camo, and buy an AR!

It's because I subscribed to him 6 months back, as he likes a lot of old English guns and he isn't a nutter like many, and as I am an influencer  (I think that's what she called me) you have been drawn into my orbit, Growling sidewinder and weld porn next.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 14, 2022, 07:19:33 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on February 13, 2022, 05:03:53 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 13, 2022, 02:50:28 PM

Finally, a gun for nerds.

Aaahaha

Youtube gave that to me 2days ago.
Our algorithms are merging.
Dont tell my wife

Start wearing camo, and buy an AR!

It's because I subscribed to him 6 months back, as he likes a lot of old English guns and he isn't a nutter like many, and as I am an influencer  (I think that's what she called me) you have been drawn into my orbit, Growling sidewinder and weld porn next.

Just wait until you discover This Old Tony!

The ATF has it under control https://twitter.com/ATFHQ/status/1493208813670965248?s=20&t=T25bGMheSbt9-pIvhWOJcw

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on February 14, 2022, 08:31:57 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 14, 2022, 07:19:33 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on February 13, 2022, 05:03:53 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 13, 2022, 02:50:28 PM

Finally, a gun for nerds.

Aaahaha

Youtube gave that to me 2days ago.
Our algorithms are merging.
Dont tell my wife

Start wearing camo, and buy an AR!

It's because I subscribed to him 6 months back, as he likes a lot of old English guns and he isn't a nutter like many, and as I am an influencer  (I think that's what she called me) you have been drawn into my orbit, Growling sidewinder and weld porn next.

Just wait until you discover This Old Tony!

   or Rick Beato

FlatAss! I think you are watching too much Hollywood and being infected by American paranoia and stranger danger, unless things are different than the rest of Europe, none of this semi or full auto, flak jacket, ceramic spiderweb, hollow point, quick draw gun masturbation will be of any use to you.

Unless the Russians come, in which case you will be toasted by some remote drone driven by an outsourced 6-year-old in Pakistan before you know what is going on.
Spend the money on coke and hookers.

The vast majority of people would not die or get seriously ill from COVID. That does not mean one should not get vaccinated against it. Similarly, the vast majority of people will never find themselves in a situation in which a gun would help, but that does not mean one should not get one as a precaution.

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 13, 2022, 10:58:03 PM

There is no such thing as a bullet-proof vest. There are only bullet-resistant vests, and they are a hell to wear for longer periods of time (heavy and hot). Even if there were bullet-proof vests, and you are wearing one in a mass shooting, a bullet-proof vest can at best help you, whereas shooting the shooter with a gun can also save people around you.

A bullet proof vest will give you some protection, and harm nobody else.

You running around with a gun during a mass shooting might help if you hit the right person, or you might just kill more people by missing and hitting others. Or worse, you might run into a situation with people being shot, and shoot another person with a gun who was also looking for the real shooter.

Even trained police officers miss most of their shots and cause a lot of collateral damage.  A bunch of untrained civilians in a confused situation with guns?  No thanks.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/index.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/02/police-officers-who-shot-two-innocent-women-103-times-wont-be-fired/357771/

So, you agree with me that the police should not exist?

The ATF has it under control https://twitter.com/ATFHQ/status/1493208813670965248?s=20&t=T25bGMheSbt9-pIvhWOJcw

possibly... just POSSIBLY states need to fix gun sales loopholes.

So, you agree with me that the police should not exist?

How'd you get there? Is the only thing police do is shoot their guns?

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on February 14, 2022, 03:42:50 AM

FlatAss! I think you are watching too much Hollywood and being infected by American paranoia and stranger danger, unless things are different than the rest of Europe, none of this semi or full auto, flak jacket, ceramic spiderweb, hollow point, quick draw gun masturbation will be of any use to you.

Unless the Russians come, in which case you will be toasted by some remote drone driven by an outsourced 6-year-old in Pakistan before you know what is going on.
Spend the money on coke and hookers.

The vast majority of people would not die or get seriously ill from COVID. That does not mean one should not get vaccinated against it. Similarly, the vast majority of people will never find themselves in a situation in which a gun would help, but that does not mean one should not get one as a precaution.

Yeah, it’s not quite the same thing. Vaccines are not actually designed to kill people, a madman running around with a vaccine is not going to bother me much, a proliferation of vaccine toting people doesn’t traditionally result in an upsurge in deaths.

The vast majority of people would not die or get seriously ill from COVID. That does not mean one should not get vaccinated against it. Similarly, the vast majority of people will never find themselves in a situation in which a gun would help, but that does not mean one should not get one as a precaution.

get one
before you get one - pass a pyschology test, safety test, licensing, insurance and registration etcetcetc

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 15, 2022, 10:59:05 PM

So, you agree with me that the police should not exist?

How'd you get there? Is the only thing police do is shoot their guns?

that was some serious extrapolation there.


side note
as quoted from a police in some youtube channel "don't call me unless you want me to use my gun".

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 15, 2022, 10:54:10 PM

The vast majority of people would not die or get seriously ill from COVID. That does not mean one should not get vaccinated against it. Similarly, the vast majority of people will never find themselves in a situation in which a gun would help, but that does not mean one should not get one as a precaution.

get one
before you get one - pass a pyschology test, safety test, licensing, insurance and registration etcetcetc

And do you take responsibility if somebody is murdered because they cannot defend themselves because they failed the psychological test? It is not a stretch to imagine that happens. A marijuana user will probably not pass the psychological test, but they may very well need a gun for self-defence, for example.

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 15, 2022, 10:59:05 PM

So, you agree with me that the police should not exist?

How'd you get there? Is the only thing police do is shoot their guns?

Right, Derek Chauvin killed a person without using a gun at all.

I would hate to be this scared of life that all I could think about was needing something that could end it to be able to feel safe. Which you won’t do, guns are little prophecies wanting to come true, and you will need it close, you will hear things in the night, so sleep will evade you and you will become addled until one day you will shoot one of your family going to the bathroom.

Incidentally, Chauvin had the threat of a gun, so did his compatriots who continually reached for them when the bystanders tried to get the fucker to release the pressure as he killed him.

Quote from: JJA on February 14, 2022, 03:32:54 AM

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 13, 2022, 10:58:03 PM

There is no such thing as a bullet-proof vest. There are only bullet-resistant vests, and they are a hell to wear for longer periods of time (heavy and hot). Even if there were bullet-proof vests, and you are wearing one in a mass shooting, a bullet-proof vest can at best help you, whereas shooting the shooter with a gun can also save people around you.

A bullet proof vest will give you some protection, and harm nobody else.

You running around with a gun during a mass shooting might help if you hit the right person, or you might just kill more people by missing and hitting others. Or worse, you might run into a situation with people being shot, and shoot another person with a gun who was also looking for the real shooter.

Even trained police officers miss most of their shots and cause a lot of collateral damage.  A bunch of untrained civilians in a confused situation with guns?  No thanks.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/index.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/02/police-officers-who-shot-two-innocent-women-103-times-wont-be-fired/357771/

So, you agree with me that the police should not exist?

No. I think the police need to be better trained and have more accountability and drop the whole "war on crime" garbage and go back to protecting and serving instead of playing solider with camo vests and tanks.

The whole police system needs a massive overhaul, but in the end we still need someone to keep law and order. Just not abuse it.

Just taking the dog for a walk
https://www.ketk.com/news/crime-public-safety/police-texas-15-year-old-girl-shot-22-times-while-walking-family-dog/

9 year old minding her own business during a drive
https://www.ksat.com/news/2022/02/15/girl-9-dies-after-mistakenly-shot-by-robbery-victim/


Welcome to America! Land a the free

Just taking the dog for a walk
https://www.ketk.com/news/crime-public-safety/police-texas-15-year-old-girl-shot-22-times-while-walking-family-dog/

9 year old minding her own business during a drive
https://www.ksat.com/news/2022/02/15/girl-9-dies-after-mistakenly-shot-by-robbery-victim/

Welcome to America! Land a the free

We have way too many guns, way to many people killed by them.  Over 45,000 last year.

Quote from: Themightykabool on February 16, 2022, 01:47:11 AM

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 15, 2022, 10:54:10 PM

The vast majority of people would not die or get seriously ill from COVID. That does not mean one should not get vaccinated against it. Similarly, the vast majority of people will never find themselves in a situation in which a gun would help, but that does not mean one should not get one as a precaution.

get one
before you get one - pass a pyschology test, safety test, licensing, insurance and registration etcetcetc

And do you take responsibility if somebody is murdered because they cannot defend themselves because they failed the psychological test? It is not a stretch to imagine that happens. A marijuana user will probably not pass the psychological test, but they may very well need a gun for self-defence, for example.

Wow
Youre really flexible.
You must be a gymnist.

9 year old minding her own business during a drive
https://www.ksat.com/news/2022/02/15/girl-9-dies-after-mistakenly-shot-by-robbery-victim/


Welcome to America! Land a the free

Nothing like a good guy with a gun.

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on February 16, 2022, 05:15:38 AM

Just taking the dog for a walk
https://www.ketk.com/news/crime-public-safety/police-texas-15-year-old-girl-shot-22-times-while-walking-family-dog/

9 year old minding her own business during a drive
https://www.ksat.com/news/2022/02/15/girl-9-dies-after-mistakenly-shot-by-robbery-victim/

Welcome to America! Land a the free

We have way too many guns, way to many people killed by them.  Over 45,000 last year.

And the number of deaths guns prevent is so large it is hard to even estimate, and it is almost certainly multiple times more than 45'000.

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 15, 2022, 10:59:05 PM

Quote from: JJA on February 14, 2022, 03:32:54 AM

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 13, 2022, 10:58:03 PM

There is no such thing as a bullet-proof vest. There are only bullet-resistant vests, and they are a hell to wear for longer periods of time (heavy and hot). Even if there were bullet-proof vests, and you are wearing one in a mass shooting, a bullet-proof vest can at best help you, whereas shooting the shooter with a gun can also save people around you.

A bullet proof vest will give you some protection, and harm nobody else.

You running around with a gun during a mass shooting might help if you hit the right person, or you might just kill more people by missing and hitting others. Or worse, you might run into a situation with people being shot, and shoot another person with a gun who was also looking for the real shooter.

Even trained police officers miss most of their shots and cause a lot of collateral damage.  A bunch of untrained civilians in a confused situation with guns?  No thanks.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/index.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/02/police-officers-who-shot-two-innocent-women-103-times-wont-be-fired/357771/

So, you agree with me that the police should not exist?

No. I think the police need to be better trained and have more accountability and drop the whole "war on crime" garbage and go back to protecting and serving instead of playing solider with camo vests and tanks.

The whole police system needs a massive overhaul, but in the end we still need someone to keep law and order. Just not abuse it.

What is "law and order"? Whatever the aristocracy wants it to be, right?

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 16, 2022, 04:21:13 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on February 16, 2022, 01:47:11 AM

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 15, 2022, 10:54:10 PM

The vast majority of people would not die or get seriously ill from COVID. That does not mean one should not get vaccinated against it. Similarly, the vast majority of people will never find themselves in a situation in which a gun would help, but that does not mean one should not get one as a precaution.

get one
before you get one - pass a pyschology test, safety test, licensing, insurance and registration etcetcetc

And do you take responsibility if somebody is murdered because they cannot defend themselves because they failed the psychological test? It is not a stretch to imagine that happens. A marijuana user will probably not pass the psychological test, but they may very well need a gun for self-defence, for example.

Wow
Youre really flexible.
You must be a gymnist.

I take it to mean you have no answer to that. As somebody who has suffered from mental illnesses my whole life, I find the suggestion that I have no right to self-defense just because of that very offensive.

Quote from: JJA on February 16, 2022, 05:19:43 AM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on February 16, 2022, 05:15:38 AM

Just taking the dog for a walk
https://www.ketk.com/news/crime-public-safety/police-texas-15-year-old-girl-shot-22-times-while-walking-family-dog/

9 year old minding her own business during a drive
https://www.ksat.com/news/2022/02/15/girl-9-dies-after-mistakenly-shot-by-robbery-victim/

Welcome to America! Land a the free

We have way too many guns, way to many people killed by them.  Over 45,000 last year.

And the number of deaths guns prevent is so large it is hard to even estimate, and it is almost certainly multiple times more than 45'000.

That is utter bullshit.

And refusal on mental health grounds should be done on a case by case basis, but should always be done, for the sake of the gun owner (depressives) and those around them.

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 15, 2022, 10:54:10 PM

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on February 14, 2022, 03:42:50 AM

FlatAss! I think you are watching too much Hollywood and being infected by American paranoia and stranger danger, unless things are different than the rest of Europe, none of this semi or full auto, flak jacket, ceramic spiderweb, hollow point, quick draw gun masturbation will be of any use to you.

Unless the Russians come, in which case you will be toasted by some remote drone driven by an outsourced 6-year-old in Pakistan before you know what is going on.
Spend the money on coke and hookers.

The vast majority of people would not die or get seriously ill from COVID. That does not mean one should not get vaccinated against it. Similarly, the vast majority of people will never find themselves in a situation in which a gun would help, but that does not mean one should not get one as a precaution.

Yeah, it’s not quite the same thing. Vaccines are not actually designed to kill people, a madman running around with a vaccine is not going to bother me much, a proliferation of vaccine toting people doesn’t traditionally result in an upsurge in deaths.

What if they put the vaccine in the nerd gun and went out shooting the anti vaxxers?!!

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 16, 2022, 06:34:58 AM

Quote from: JJA on February 16, 2022, 05:19:43 AM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on February 16, 2022, 05:15:38 AM

Just taking the dog for a walk
https://www.ketk.com/news/crime-public-safety/police-texas-15-year-old-girl-shot-22-times-while-walking-family-dog/

9 year old minding her own business during a drive
https://www.ksat.com/news/2022/02/15/girl-9-dies-after-mistakenly-shot-by-robbery-victim/

Welcome to America! Land a the free

We have way too many guns, way to many people killed by them.  Over 45,000 last year.

And the number of deaths guns prevent is so large it is hard to even estimate, and it is almost certainly multiple times more than 45'000.

That is utter bullshit.

Saying around 3 million deaths per year are prevented by guns is probably bullshit. But saying it is less than 45'000 is also bullshit.

EDIT: The first source I found by Googling estimates that to be around 500'000: https://americangunfacts.com/guns-used-in-self-defense-stats/

Quote from: JJA on February 16, 2022, 05:19:43 AM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on February 16, 2022, 05:15:38 AM

Just taking the dog for a walk
https://www.ketk.com/news/crime-public-safety/police-texas-15-year-old-girl-shot-22-times-while-walking-family-dog/

9 year old minding her own business during a drive
https://www.ksat.com/news/2022/02/15/girl-9-dies-after-mistakenly-shot-by-robbery-victim/

Welcome to America! Land a the free

We have way too many guns, way to many people killed by them.  Over 45,000 last year.

And the number of deaths guns prevent is so large it is hard to even estimate, and it is almost certainly multiple times more than 45'000.

You have a source for this?

What lives are being saved, from who?

Look at countries with low numbers of guns, like Sweden. I don't see large numbers of violent deaths happening there, and nobody keeps guns in their homes. They average about 40 people a year who are shot to death. Total number of murders is about 100 a year. Seems like guns are not needed to prevent deaths after all.

Quote from: Jura-Glenlivet II on February 16, 2022, 06:51:42 AM

Quote from: FlatAssembler on February 16, 2022, 06:34:58 AM

Quote from: JJA on February 16, 2022, 05:19:43 AM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on February 16, 2022, 05:15:38 AM

Just taking the dog for a walk
https://www.ketk.com/news/crime-public-safety/police-texas-15-year-old-girl-shot-22-times-while-walking-family-dog/

9 year old minding her own business during a drive
https://www.ksat.com/news/2022/02/15/girl-9-dies-after-mistakenly-shot-by-robbery-victim/

Welcome to America! Land a the free

We have way too many guns, way to many people killed by them.  Over 45,000 last year.

And the number of deaths guns prevent is so large it is hard to even estimate, and it is almost certainly multiple times more than 45'000.

That is utter bullshit.

Saying around 3 million deaths per year are prevented by guns is probably bullshit. But saying it is less than 45'000 is also bullshit.

EDIT: The first source I found by Googling estimates that to be around 500'000: https://americangunfacts.com/guns-used-in-self-defense-stats/

Mmm, The US has 120guns per 100 people, the UK has 4.6.
Death by guns in the US = 12.21 per 100K, the UK = 0.2
Murder rate per 100K US = 5.3                   the UK = 1.2

On first glance that doesn't seem to make sense, but those gun deaths are also accidents and suicide

How come the poorly armed British do so well?