What do you think about gun control laws?

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disputeone

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #540 on: July 24, 2024, 03:44:00 AM »
I answered your question.
Here.

From an outside point of view which of the two of us is pushing the  regime position?

You.
Turn on the TV.

Jura.

If you didn't think guns were a threat to tyranny, you wouldn't be so against them.



There's no need to use automatic weapons to tell unarmed citizens they aren't allowed to go outside. It just sends a message.

I worry that your ideal society is the Chinese model. Please reconsider your signature before you start lecturing people about how precious and meaningful human life is.

No one believes you believe that.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #541 on: July 24, 2024, 03:53:55 AM »
Seriously what's the argument?

U.S citizens only want the US government to have guns, and to take the citizens guns away but the US government won't listen and wants the citizens to have guns too?

Do you ever read your posts back to yourself?

Jura I've got a bridge to sell you.
>President Trump on Wednesday voiced support for confiscating guns from certain individuals deemed to be dangerous, even if it violates due process rights.

“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/

Trump would take US citizens guns in a heartbeat to secure his own power if he believed for a second he could get away with it. Nearly every republican would. There's absolutely no reason they want an armed population.

It's just that for now the US is more or less a democracy and politicians have to respect the will of the people, for now. Obama didnt even try. They can't just use guns to tell unarmed citizens they aren't allowed to go outside, like they do in Australia.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #542 on: July 24, 2024, 03:57:05 AM »
Trump is a lifelong democrat who will unveil his true colors when he is re-elected.

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #543 on: July 24, 2024, 04:01:08 AM »
What 2016-2020 wasn't enough for you?
I don't want to pile on but anyone saying
>Trump will drain the swamp but actually drain the swamp instead of hiring them this time!
Doesn't have your best interests at heart.

He's not a democrat, the difference between democrats and republicans is much, much smaller than anyone here would care (or is allowed) to admit.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Jura-Glenlivet II

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #544 on: July 24, 2024, 04:06:34 AM »

No !
The government/industrial complex wants to sell guns and has no concern as to the obvious detrimental effects it is having on its own society and the deaths it entails.
To further this it pedals “But my rights” to those unable to see they are being gulled, that their rights to decent health care without bankruptcy, or decent wages are not rights, that’s communism, just the right to blow someone away who you have been taught to fear, especially those who see the carnage and want curbs, so the rift widens.

And all the while the basement dwelling groups who want this to continue pump the message out in the name of freedumb.

From an outside point of view which of the two of us is pushing the incumbent regime’s position? 
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #545 on: July 24, 2024, 04:09:44 AM »
No !
Yes.

From an outside point of view which of the two of us is pushing the regime’s position? 
You, turn on the TV.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #546 on: July 25, 2024, 07:36:41 AM »
I answered your question.
Here.

From an outside point of view which of the two of us is pushing the  regime position?

You.
Turn on the TV.

Jura.

If you didn't think guns were a threat to tyranny, you wouldn't be so against them.



There's no need to use automatic weapons to tell unarmed citizens they aren't allowed to go outside. It just sends a message.

I worry that your ideal society is the Chinese model. Please reconsider your signature before you start lecturing people about how precious and meaningful human life is.

No one believes you believe that.

Whether guns help against tyranny is actually a complicated question. I'd say they mostly do, but that there are some strong exceptions. What would have happened in Mao's China if more people were armed? The answer seems obvious to me: more sparrows would end up being killed, the invasion of grasshoppers would be even worse, and the Great Chinese Famine would be even worse.
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #547 on: July 25, 2024, 09:03:48 AM »
Gun control laws are useless. Prohibition of any sort is useless. Whatever any man truly wants to possess, that man will end up possessing.

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #548 on: July 25, 2024, 10:21:56 AM »
Gun control laws are useless. Prohibition of any sort is useless. Whatever any man truly wants to possess, that man will end up possessing.
That's especially true if the man has all the time in the world. Mass shooters have all the time in the world to illegally buy a gun. But a victim some criminal threatens doesn't have all the time in the world, and is easily affected by mandatory waiting periods.
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #549 on: July 25, 2024, 11:43:43 AM »
so don't have laws

criminals are going to crime so why bother.



is taht the answer?


stupid moron.

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #550 on: July 25, 2024, 12:01:06 PM »
so don't have laws

criminals are going to crime so why bother.



is taht the answer?


stupid moron.

No, some laws are necessary. But not laws people usually think are necessary, such as laws against murder. Good laws are, for example, laws regulating the use of antibiotics in the egg industry, or laws against open DNS servers.
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #551 on: July 25, 2024, 03:58:54 PM »
My cimment more directed at wish/lackless


Because hes a moron.




And in context, laws for criminal sctivity not just regulatory for general health safety.

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #552 on: July 25, 2024, 06:46:09 PM »
Whether guns help against tyranny is actually a complicated question.
Nah, it's not complicated at all.  Tyrants always have bigger guns.  After all, that's how they got to be tyrants.
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #553 on: July 26, 2024, 04:53:52 AM »
Whether guns help against tyranny is actually a complicated question.
Nah, it's not complicated at all.  Tyrants always have bigger guns.  After all, that's how they got to be tyrants.
You are completely ignoring what I said. My point was that sometimes the civilians being armed helps, but sometimes it makes things worse. Mao's Great Famine is an obvious example of a tyranny that would have been made worse by civilians being armed: in all likelihood, more sparrows would end up being killed, the invasion of the grasshoppers would be worse, and the famine would be worse.
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #554 on: July 26, 2024, 04:54:34 AM »
My cimment more directed at wish/lackless


Because hes a moron.




And in context, laws for criminal sctivity not just regulatory for general health safety.
Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying.
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #555 on: July 26, 2024, 05:22:11 AM »
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Trump would take US citizens guns in a heartbeat to secure his own power if he believed for a second he could get away with it. Nearly every republican would. There's absolutely no reason they want an armed population.

I dunno about that. Republicans are far more likely to support the 2nd Amendment than Democrats. This is why Republican towns have guns while Democrat cities don't. Ironic then, that Democrat cities are plagued by crime.

Trump is an alt-right, meaning he shares many traits with the left. And yes, COVID was an absolute display of authoritarian regime.

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Mao's Great Famine is an obvious example of a tyranny that would have been made worse by civilians being armed: in all likelihood, more sparrows would end up being killed, the invasion of the grasshoppers would be worse, and the famine would be worse.

That's alot of nonsense. I don't know about The Great Famine in particular, but it was likely blamed on grasshoppers when the actual problem, as in Russia, was the state policy. Watch the film Bitter Harvest (there are a few of them, and no, I do not know which year). It depicts Russian action I think against Ukraine's farmers. Basically, communist system claimed the farmers were rich (because they owned land for the feeding of the population), they raided even what the farmers had to live on, in some cases killing them for what they had. Hmmmm, what happens when you have nobody competent willing to grow crops? Oh right, a famine. Same thing happened in Zimbabwe. Black power (and socialism to some degree) hired unskilled blacks to farm, taking land from skilled whites. In bizarre irony, if any blacks were too good at farming, their land was taken too. I shit you not. Look up "Mugabe land reform".
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #556 on: July 26, 2024, 05:52:19 AM »
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I don't know about The Great Famine in particular
Then read up on it. I think one can learn a lot about tyranny from reading about the worst famine in human history (by the absolute number of people killed).
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but it was likely blamed on grasshoppers when the actual problem, as in Russia, was the state policy
Well, communism and the flawed statistical system played a role. The communist government was stealing food from peasants because the statistical system was wrongly showing they had a lot of food. However, the Four Pests Campaign (among other things, killing the sparrows) arguably played a giant role. The food production decreased by around 40%, arguably mostly due to the Four Pests Campaign.
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #557 on: July 26, 2024, 06:50:06 AM »
My cimment more directed at wish/lackless


Because hes a moron.




And in context, laws for criminal sctivity not just regulatory for general health safety.
Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying.


thats ok

the gist,
i wasn't talking to you
and your comment, while valid in itself, is out of context to this.


also

the gist gist
lackless is a moron.

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #558 on: July 26, 2024, 07:30:22 AM »
You are completely ignoring what I said. My point was that sometimes the civilians being armed helps, but sometimes it makes things worse. Mao's Great Famine is an obvious example of a tyranny that would have been made worse by civilians being armed: in all likelihood, more sparrows would end up being killed, the invasion of the grasshoppers would be worse, and the famine would be worse.
People did have guns and they did shoot the sparrows.  Among other things like destroying the nests and making loud noises.
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #559 on: July 26, 2024, 09:47:35 AM »

lackless is a moron.
I am a moron with a gun.

I would recommend you buy one, but I cannot do so in good conscience.
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #561 on: July 26, 2024, 10:18:46 AM »
What 2016-2020 wasn't enough for you?
I don't want to pile on but anyone saying
>Trump will drain the swamp but actually drain the swamp instead of hiring them this time!
Doesn't have your best interests at heart.

He's not a democrat, the difference between democrats and republicans is much, much smaller than anyone here would care (or is allowed) to admit.
In essence, the US is no longer a Constitutional Republic.

The country is actually being run by spooks who do not have the best interests of humanity at heart.

Right, breadcrumb?
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #562 on: July 26, 2024, 10:37:34 AM »

lackless is a moron.
I am a moron with a gun.

I would recommend you buy one, but I cannot do so in good conscience.

i'll look for you on herrara's darwin awards videos.

take care.





to clarify
i have no issues with people owning guns
i have issue with self entitled morons or abusive partners or psychopaths having guns.

hurray to common sense.

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #563 on: July 26, 2024, 10:38:58 AM »
In essence, there is US is no longer a Constitutional Republic.

The country is actually being run by spooks who do not have the best interests of humanity at heart.




wait
are we agreeing?
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #564 on: July 26, 2024, 11:36:49 AM »
The country is actually being run by spooks who do not have the best interests of humanity at heart.

Right, breadcrumb?

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #565 on: August 06, 2024, 01:21:06 AM »
The country is actually being run by spooks who do not have the best interests of humanity at heart.

Right, breadcrumb?

I knew it was you.
I have trust issues too, I understand.

I think you know I'm not working on Croutons team. If you want to talk we can talk. There's a lot to say and not much time to say it.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #566 on: August 06, 2024, 01:33:31 AM »
Whether guns help against tyranny is actually a complicated question.
Nah, it's not complicated at all.  Tyrants always have bigger guns.  After all, that's how they got to be tyrants.
You are completely ignoring what I said. My point was that sometimes the civilians being armed helps, but sometimes it makes things worse. Mao's Great Famine is an obvious example of a tyranny that would have been made worse by civilians being armed: in all likelihood, more sparrows would end up being killed, the invasion of the grasshoppers would be worse, and the famine would be worse.

You understand this is an argument in favour of tyranny right? You're essentially saying it's better not to resist tyrants because there will be less bloodshed. This is a poigant quote.

>And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
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There's something that lives in men's hearts, something that tells us to keep going even when it's hopeless, That its better to die free than live as a slave.

Sorry I just watched the movies again. There's a reason why Lord of the Rings was so popular. It tells a story about Heroism. A story about Sam, and Frodo.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #567 on: August 10, 2024, 12:32:43 PM »
Whether guns help against tyranny is actually a complicated question.
Nah, it's not complicated at all.  Tyrants always have bigger guns.  After all, that's how they got to be tyrants.
You are completely ignoring what I said. My point was that sometimes the civilians being armed helps, but sometimes it makes things worse. Mao's Great Famine is an obvious example of a tyranny that would have been made worse by civilians being armed: in all likelihood, more sparrows would end up being killed, the invasion of the grasshoppers would be worse, and the famine would be worse.

You understand this is an argument in favour of tyranny right? You're essentially saying it's better not to resist tyrants because there will be less bloodshed.
No, I am not saying that. Resisting tyranny in Mao's China would be refusing to kill sparrows and talking other people out of killing the sparrows. Sometimes guns are a solution to tyranny. Other times (as in the Mao's China), they make the problem worse.
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #568 on: August 11, 2024, 06:43:13 AM »
I wouldn't use the argument that guns are useful to prevent tyranny. The evidence that guns are useful for self-defense is overwhelming: dozens of Gary-Kleck-like studies. The evidence that guns help against tyranny is conflicting anecdotes.
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Re: What do you think about gun control laws?
« Reply #569 on: August 11, 2024, 09:49:20 PM »
Self defense against tyranny?
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.