War

Quote from: markjo on March 19, 2026, 10:51:56 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2026, 03:43:33 AM

I am very worried that if Iran goes down, Israel will also try to do something similar with Turkey. And in that case, they may want to try to use Greece against Turkey, or we might end up in the same position the Gulf countries are in now.

Greece vs Turkey would be a very interesting dilemma for NATO, seeing as they are both members.

Yeah but better than the US vs Greenland.

May I ask why you would think that?

Quote from: Lorddave on March 19, 2026, 11:15:34 AM

Quote from: markjo on March 19, 2026, 10:51:56 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2026, 03:43:33 AM

I am very worried that if Iran goes down, Israel will also try to do something similar with Turkey. And in that case, they may want to try to use Greece against Turkey, or we might end up in the same position the Gulf countries are in now.

Greece vs Turkey would be a very interesting dilemma for NATO, seeing as they are both members.

Yeah but better than the US vs Greenland.

May I ask why you would think that?

Because Trump is an unhinged lunatic with nuclear weapons who would use them.  Or just wipe out the population of Greenland "by accident" with a missile barrage.

Then NATO would have to use its forces to take iver all the US bases in Europe before it could attack the US.

Quote from: wise on March 19, 2026, 06:21:14 AM

Turkey's problem with Cyprus is the active use of the base in Cyprus by Israel. When Iranian missiles target Cyprus, they mostly use Turkish airspace, and these missiles are shot down. A second Patriot battery was installed in Adana because of these missiles. European countries are sending these. Although this doesn't directly cost Turkey, there is an indirect cost, and it creates unnecessary tension with Iran.

Erdoğan is surrounded by the US, but the Turkish bureaucracy is aware of what's happening. If not today, this account will definitely be settled in the future, and those living on the island will pay the price for it.

Wise, I haven't heard anyone say Israel has aircraft in the British base in Cyprus. Regardless, the British base is British sovereign territory, not Cyprus, and it shouldn't be the fault of Cyprus.

The base on the island is British territory, that's true. But it's the Cypriot administration that permits them. Iran launched missiles at 12 countries because they have US bases on their soil. The British base in Cyprus makes the island a legitimate target for Iran because Israeli aircraft are stationed at these bases. It is unethical for third-country aircraft to come there. However, right before the Iran war, Greece, Israel, and Cyprus signed a defense cooperation protocol, and it's understood that the real purpose of this protocol was to arrange for Israeli aircraft to land at and take off from the British base.

Yes, the base belongs to the British, but the NATO member country that allows a non-NATO country's in war warplanes  to use its airspace is Greece (and Cyprus).

Because Trump is an unhinged lunatic with nuclear weapons who would use them. 

This right here is the most solid proof to date of why nuclear weapons are a lie.

A real maniac doesn't threaten—he acts first, and then says "I did it and I'll do it again."

And he absolutely would.

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2026, 06:30:13 AM

Quote from: wise on March 19, 2026, 06:21:14 AM

Turkey's problem with Cyprus is the active use of the base in Cyprus by Israel. When Iranian missiles target Cyprus, they mostly use Turkish airspace, and these missiles are shot down. A second Patriot battery was installed in Adana because of these missiles. European countries are sending these. Although this doesn't directly cost Turkey, there is an indirect cost, and it creates unnecessary tension with Iran.

Erdoğan is surrounded by the US, but the Turkish bureaucracy is aware of what's happening. If not today, this account will definitely be settled in the future, and those living on the island will pay the price for it.

Wise, I haven't heard anyone say Israel has aircraft in the British base in Cyprus. Regardless, the British base is British sovereign territory, not Cyprus, and it shouldn't be the fault of Cyprus.

The base on the island is British territory, that's true. But it's the Cypriot administration that permits them. Iran launched missiles at 12 countries because they have US bases on their soil. The British base in Cyprus makes the island a legitimate target for Iran because Israeli aircraft are stationed at these bases. It is unethical for third-country aircraft to come there. However, right before the Iran war, Greece, Israel, and Cyprus signed a defense cooperation protocol, and it's understood that the real purpose of this protocol was to arrange for Israeli aircraft to land at and take off from the British base.

Yes, the base belongs to the British, but the NATO member country that allows a non-NATO country's in war warplanes  to use its airspace is Greece (and Cyprus).

Cyprus has no say whatsoever on the British military base. Again, it's not their territory.

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2026, 11:53:22 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on March 19, 2026, 11:15:34 AM

Quote from: markjo on March 19, 2026, 10:51:56 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2026, 03:43:33 AM

I am very worried that if Iran goes down, Israel will also try to do something similar with Turkey. And in that case, they may want to try to use Greece against Turkey, or we might end up in the same position the Gulf countries are in now.

Greece vs Turkey would be a very interesting dilemma for NATO, seeing as they are both members.

Yeah but better than the US vs Greenland.

May I ask why you would think that?

Because Trump is an unhinged lunatic with nuclear weapons who would use them.  Or just wipe out the population of Greenland "by accident" with a missile barrage.

Then NATO would have to use its forces to take iver all the US bases in Europe before it could attack the US.

That makes no sense. Why do you think Trump would use nukes against Greenland and not against Iran or against either of us?

Quote from: wise on March 19, 2026, 12:12:58 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2026, 06:30:13 AM

Quote from: wise on March 19, 2026, 06:21:14 AM

Turkey's problem with Cyprus is the active use of the base in Cyprus by Israel. When Iranian missiles target Cyprus, they mostly use Turkish airspace, and these missiles are shot down. A second Patriot battery was installed in Adana because of these missiles. European countries are sending these. Although this doesn't directly cost Turkey, there is an indirect cost, and it creates unnecessary tension with Iran.

Erdoğan is surrounded by the US, but the Turkish bureaucracy is aware of what's happening. If not today, this account will definitely be settled in the future, and those living on the island will pay the price for it.

Wise, I haven't heard anyone say Israel has aircraft in the British base in Cyprus. Regardless, the British base is British sovereign territory, not Cyprus, and it shouldn't be the fault of Cyprus.

The base on the island is British territory, that's true. But it's the Cypriot administration that permits them. Iran launched missiles at 12 countries because they have US bases on their soil. The British base in Cyprus makes the island a legitimate target for Iran because Israeli aircraft are stationed at these bases. It is unethical for third-country aircraft to come there. However, right before the Iran war, Greece, Israel, and Cyprus signed a defense cooperation protocol, and it's understood that the real purpose of this protocol was to arrange for Israeli aircraft to land at and take off from the British base.

Yes, the base belongs to the British, but the NATO member country that allows a non-NATO country's in war warplanes  to use its airspace is Greece (and Cyprus).

Cyprus has no say whatsoever on the British military base. Again, it's not their territory.

The issue is the airspace.

Quote from: Lorddave on March 19, 2026, 12:06:29 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2026, 11:53:22 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on March 19, 2026, 11:15:34 AM

Quote from: markjo on March 19, 2026, 10:51:56 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2026, 03:43:33 AM

I am very worried that if Iran goes down, Israel will also try to do something similar with Turkey. And in that case, they may want to try to use Greece against Turkey, or we might end up in the same position the Gulf countries are in now.

Greece vs Turkey would be a very interesting dilemma for NATO, seeing as they are both members.

Yeah but better than the US vs Greenland.

May I ask why you would think that?

Because Trump is an unhinged lunatic with nuclear weapons who would use them.  Or just wipe out the population of Greenland "by accident" with a missile barrage.

Then NATO would have to use its forces to take iver all the US bases in Europe before it could attack the US.

That makes no sense. Why do you think Trump would use nukes against Greenland and not against Iran or against either of us?

Just to show he's crazy and to scare people. Greenland is already a very sparse place. Not even one person lives per square kilometer. By dropping a nuke in a remote area, without killing anyone—or maybe just one or two adventurers—he would have made a move that would frighten the world. It would have been perfectly in line with his insane foreign policy. He would have done it precisely because it's not logical.

Him dropping a nuke on Greenland doesn't mean he won't drop one on Iran or other countries. Maniacs have plenty of options.

Have you never been a maniac? You really have an empathy problem. Would you stop acting like an NPC (like Jura)? Thanks.

Um sorry for not being a maniac I guess? Lol

Um sorry for not being a maniac I guess? Lol

You're a total zero. Try again in your next reincarnation. Imao

We spent pages arguing about it.
Jura and Jimmy never once argued against the premise that jews are God's chosen people

We weren't even discussing it, you are very confused.

, they argued against the verse that said the Kingdom of God would be taken from them and given to another nation / people / ethos.

It is ethnos, ethos is something quite different and where the word ethics comes from.

That's funny because in the previous thread you were claiming to be a bible scholar.

And this is why people don't like debating with you as you argue in such bad faith.  I have never claimed to be a biblical scholar.  You are either confused, a bad faith debater or a total dumbass.  I'm leaning towards a mixture of all three.

You said it was cherry picked nonsense. At one point you tried to claim the nation the kingdom of God was given to was modern day Israel.

No I did not.  You know that thread is still over there where everyone can read it and see your straight up lies.

Anyway, why should I listen to you?  You once claimed that you were Head of Child Procurement for Epstein. 

Quote from: markjo on March 19, 2026, 10:51:56 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2026, 03:43:33 AM

I am very worried that if Iran goes down, Israel will also try to do something similar with Turkey. And in that case, they may want to try to use Greece against Turkey, or we might end up in the same position the Gulf countries are in now.

Greece vs Turkey would be a very interesting dilemma for NATO, seeing as they are both members.

Yeah but better than the US vs Greenland.

Not really.  Denmark and US are NATO members too.

Quote from: Lorddave on March 19, 2026, 11:15:34 AM

Quote from: markjo on March 19, 2026, 10:51:56 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2026, 03:43:33 AM

I am very worried that if Iran goes down, Israel will also try to do something similar with Turkey. And in that case, they may want to try to use Greece against Turkey, or we might end up in the same position the Gulf countries are in now.

Greece vs Turkey would be a very interesting dilemma for NATO, seeing as they are both members.

Yeah but better than the US vs Greenland.

Not really.  Denmark and US are NATO members too.

Yes and one of them is a BIG member with lots of weapons and nukes.
Turkey and greece, not so much.

Quote from: disputeone on March 18, 2026, 04:48:19 PM

We spent pages arguing about it.
Jura and Jimmy never once argued against the premise that jews are God's chosen people

We weren't even discussing it, you are very confused.

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, they argued against the verse that said the Kingdom of God would be taken from them and given to another nation / people / ethos.

It is ethnos, ethos is something quite different and where the word ethics comes from.

My bad.
Ethnicity comes from ethnos.
Ethics comes from ethos.
When did you decide to spend years studying the Bible?

Or just this particular verse?

No I did not.  You know that thread is still over there where everyone can read it and see your straight up lies.

Oho.

you foolish child.   Again, you need to understand some context and some actual history, rather than trying (and failing) to score points and retcon your ideology into the bible via cherry picked lines.

Most scholars think the the ethnos (which is the greek word has been translated to nation) in question was referring to the new Church.  Some say Israel. 

It would have to be Israel, since Ethnos means ethnicity, as you pointed out, and the Church is not an ethnicity.

Right?

https://biblehub.com/greek/1484.htm

At least now the war in Iran makes sense. You're not a Christian but if you can get Christians to believe this then they have to fight and die, for God's chosen people, or the children of the Devil as Jesus called them.

We can dance, or we can admit the wars in the middle east are driven by a belief that the jews in Israel are God's chosen people and must be afforded special privileges because of it.

Trump isnt Jewish but Trump believes all of this. Hes trying to murder his way into heaven without having to say sorry to Jesus. This is a religious war and to deny that is to nearly be complicit in it.

Or you can convince them to die for the apocalypse https://medium.com/@JuneLapine/its-time-to-talk-about-evangelical-wakanda-10c2325f17d6

Or you can convince them to die for the apocalypse https://medium.com/@JuneLapine/its-time-to-talk-about-evangelical-wakanda-10c2325f17d6

I think you understand thats exactly my point.

This entire war comes from Judaism, its a religious war. Christians that falsely believe jews in Israel are God's chosen people are helping them.

But thats not what the Bible says, I dont care how mad everyone gets, the Bible says the Kingdom of God was taken from them and given to others. Jesus calls them the children of the Devil.

I think the Evangelicals just want to fulfill the requirements for Armageddon. I don't care who the chosen ones are, and I'm not mad about a passage in the Bible.

You don't have to fight with everyone!

I think the Evangelicals just want to fulfill the requirements for Armageddon.

According to Judaism.

This entire war comes from Judaism, its a religious war. Christians that falsely believe jews in Israel are God's chosen people are helping them.

But thats not what the Bible says, I dont care how mad everyone gets, the Bible says the Kingdom of God was taken from them and given to others. Jesus calls them the children of the Devil.

I know, I know. Everyone is mad about the Bible.

Jews starting a war and then turning around and blaming US Christians for it is the reason they dont have a friend in the world. Not one friend in the whole world.

Im mad about your government starting a war that has negatively impacted the rest of the world because US jews and evangelicals claim jews are God's chosen people, contrary to what the bible says.

Edit.
https://en.haberler.com/netanyahu-who-said-we-will-reach-the-kingdom-does-19654069/

In Judaism, the Messiah is expected to bring the Jews back to their homeland and rebuild the Temple of Solomon (the Holy Temple). Since the area where the Al-Aqsa Mosque is located is considered the site of the holy temple, it is expected that with the coming of the Messiah, temple worship will resume in this area according to Jewish belief. Netanyahu's statement, "We will witness the return of the Messiah," was perceived as a threat to the Al-Aqsa Mosque due to this belief.

This is a war based on Judaism, the evangelicals are just useful idiots, this is Judaism, not Christianity.

Our Messiah has come.

If we cant admit this maybe we deserve another 20 years of war in the middle east.

US evangelical Christians willingly go along with this war. They want Armageddon. They think they can create it. All US wars in the ME have been for this.

They forget -  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

I was raised in a Baptist church, which is evangelical, but our church didn't bother with creating the end times. We were taught to be ready for it.

US evangelical Christians willingly go along with this war.

Because they erroneously believe jews in Israel are God's chosen people. We cant continue to ignore this.

Jews starting a war and blaming Christians is the reason they dont have a friend in the world.

The situation of evangelists in Christianity is almost like the extreme edge of ISIS in Islam. Israel enabled ISIS to gain strength by supporting them. At one point, these people even became a neighboring state to our country. I guess being marginal seems interesting to people.

Right now, the US is going through this process. With the support and motivation of Jews, a group that should be one of the marginal groups of Christianity has somehow become the most influential philosophy in the US.

It's clear that this is a temporary process. Just like the disappearance of ISIS or its transformation into a marginal view confined to only a few small settlements in the world, a similar fate awaits the Evangelicals.

It's almost certain that the attempt to force God (according to their belief) into the apocalypse will fail. No idiot would believe such a thing, but evangelicals believe it because their religion tells them so. And it wouldn't even be surprising if the US ends up alone in the world on this matter or even leaves NATO.

Essentially, NATO was established to protect the Christian countries of the North Atlantic. At least that's its philosophy. Turkey joined, but the basic philosophy didn't change. The Turks were just treated a bit like "foreign brothers," in the sense of being like the Irish in England. But with the evangelicals coming to power, the US switched to its own war doctrine (this time).

Completely abandoning the philosophy of protecting North Atlantic countries, they switched to the doctrine of "protecting Israel at all costs" in accordance with their own beliefs. This shift isolates them in the world, while NATO—the alliance that protects the Europeans they see as "fools"—no longer holds any value for them.

The situation of evangelists in Christianity is almost like the extreme edge of ISIS in Islam. Israel enabled ISIS to gain strength by supporting them. At one point, these people even became a neighboring state to our country. I guess being marginal seems interesting to people.

Right now, the US is going through this process. With the support and motivation of Jews, a group that should be one of the marginal groups of Christianity has somehow become the most influential philosophy in the US.

It's clear that this is a temporary process. Just like the disappearance of ISIS or its transformation into a marginal view confined to only a few small settlements in the world, a similar fate awaits the Evangelicals.

It's almost certain that the attempt to force God (according to their belief) into the apocalypse will fail. No idiot would believe such a thing, but evangelicals believe it because their religion tells them so. And it wouldn't even be surprising if the US ends up alone in the world on this matter or even leaves NATO.

Essentially, NATO was established to protect the Christian countries of the North Atlantic. At least that's its philosophy. Turkey joined, but the basic philosophy didn't change. The Turks were just treated a bit like "foreign brothers," in the sense of being like the Irish in England. But with the evangelicals coming to power, the US switched to its own war doctrine (this time).

Completely abandoning the philosophy of protecting North Atlantic countries, they switched to the doctrine of "protecting Israel at all costs" in accordance with their own beliefs. This shift isolates them in the world, while NATO—the alliance that protects the Europeans they see as "fools"—no longer holds any value for them.

Well said wise.

Quote from: markjo on March 19, 2026, 02:15:40 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on March 19, 2026, 11:15:34 AM

Quote from: markjo on March 19, 2026, 10:51:56 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 19, 2026, 03:43:33 AM

I am very worried that if Iran goes down, Israel will also try to do something similar with Turkey. And in that case, they may want to try to use Greece against Turkey, or we might end up in the same position the Gulf countries are in now.

Greece vs Turkey would be a very interesting dilemma for NATO, seeing as they are both members.

Yeah but better than the US vs Greenland.

Not really.  Denmark and US are NATO members too.

Yes and one of them is a BIG member with lots of weapons and nukes.
Turkey and greece, not so much.

Turkey is a big member too. And Greece has the highest defense budget proportionally after the US in all of NATO. And there is no way the US doesn't get involved one way or another. I don't know why you guys are sitting there saying "huh interesting scenario". It is not an "interesting scenario", it is a nightmare.

Quote from: JimmyTheLobster on March 19, 2026, 01:00:55 PM

Quote from: disputeone on March 18, 2026, 04:48:19 PM

We spent pages arguing about it.
Jura and Jimmy never once argued against the premise that jews are God's chosen people

We weren't even discussing it, you are very confused.

Quote

, they argued against the verse that said the Kingdom of God would be taken from them and given to another nation / people / ethos.

It is ethnos, ethos is something quite different and where the word ethics comes from.

My bad.
Ethnicity comes from ethnos.
Ethics comes from ethos.
When did you decide to spend years studying the Bible?

Or just this particular verse?

Dude ethos and ethnos are common words, you don't need to study the bible for years to know them, they're the root to many English words.

If you claimed to know the New Testament in Greek I wouldn't say anything. Seeing as you're Greek.

People whos first language is English, knowing the Bible in Greek and refusing to use the English words because they believe the translation loses its meaning makes you a Bible scholar.

If you claimed to know the New Testament in Greek I wouldn't say anything. Seeing as you're Greek.

People whos first language is English, knowing the Bible in Greek and refusing to use the English words because they believe the translation loses its meaning makes you a Bible scholar.

I mean you don't have to be a scholar, you just have to go look up that specific line.

Sure.