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Is anyone going to go on the record to say that if THEIR leader threw out election results and just stayed illegally in office, they would decline outside help getting rid of them? Anyone?

Did anyone ask for outside help?

Quote from: Torve on January 03, 2026, 11:42:13 AM

Is anyone going to go on the record to say that if THEIR leader threw out election results and just stayed illegally in office, they would decline outside help getting rid of them? Anyone?

Did anyone ask for outside help?

Yes, you friggin troll.

Yes, you friggin troll.

Now, how many people asked for it and what kind of help did they ask for?
For the US to come take over?

Do you have any examples of people asking for help?

Also, quickly checking it seems the president Nicolas Maduro, was elected.
He was objectively a legitimate president, voted in by the people, and then international sanctions started, long before the 2024 elections.

And Trump does appear to be following in his footsteps, including wilfully lying about opponents and breaking the law.
So how long until US citizens can start asking for outside help to remove trump?

You don't care.

You are a troll.

Now go out and play with the other trolls.

You don't care.

You are a troll.

I will take that as you have absolutely nothing to support your corrupt position.

You'd think that the US would have figured out by now that the immediate military objective is the easy part, but the "what comes next" part almost never goes as planned.

You'd think that the US would have figured out by now that the immediate military objective is the easy part, but the "what comes next" part almost never goes as planned.

They install a puppet government, keep the conflict going to justify financing the military and all the private companies that benefit, while taking the oil with the price going higher because of the conflict making it "harder to get" while it is cheaper for those selling it.

You'd think that the US would have figured out by now that the immediate military objective is the easy part, but the "what comes next" part almost never goes as planned.

Historically, US gunboat diplomacy in the western hemisphere has almost always gone as planned.

Also:

Historically, US gunboat diplomacy in the western hemisphere has almost always gone as planned.

So you admit they plan to have the conflict ongoing and have the countries turn to shit?

Also:

And if people came and took trump, how many US citizens do you think would be out in the streets celebrating?

Troll somebody else.

Quote from: JackBlack on January 03, 2026, 01:01:05 PM

Troll somebody else.

Upset at how easy it is to show the problems with your crap?

Quote from: Torve on January 03, 2026, 12:51:28 PM

Historically, US gunboat diplomacy in the western hemisphere has almost always gone as planned.

So you admit they plan to have the conflict ongoing and have the countries turn to shit?

Are you talking about Palestine, Jack?

Quote from: JackBlack on January 03, 2026, 01:01:05 PM

Quote from: Torve on January 03, 2026, 12:51:28 PM

Historically, US gunboat diplomacy in the western hemisphere has almost always gone as planned.

So you admit they plan to have the conflict ongoing and have the countries turn to shit?

Are you talking about Palestine, Jack?

I was kinda referring to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Iraq and Afghanistan were a huge success for the US and Israel. They destabilised the middle east for Israel ensuring their dominance in the region and helped Europe become more diverse.

Two birds with one stone really.
What else did they hope to accomplish from them?

I was just making fun of Jack because he supports the war in Palestine but is clutching his pearls about Venezuela.

I wonder if Venezuela's new leader will be a Zionist?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/venezuelas-maduro-blames-international-zionism-for-unrest-after-disputed-vote/

Questions for later.

Quote from: markjo on January 03, 2026, 12:48:24 PM

You'd think that the US would have figured out by now that the immediate military objective is the easy part, but the "what comes next" part almost never goes as planned.

They install a puppet government, keep the conflict going to justify financing the military and all the private companies that benefit, while taking the oil with the price going higher because of the conflict making it "harder to get" while it is cheaper for those selling it.

Well not yet.  Maduro’s government is still in charge.  Removing them would require further military action, (possibly a full scale ground invasion), some kind of internal coup or uprising or for them to willingly step down.

We don’t know it’s going to play out yet.

Well not yet.  Maduro’s government is still in charge.  Removing them would require further military action, (possibly a full scale ground invasion), some kind of internal coup or uprising or for them to willingly step down.

We don’t know it’s going to play out yet.

Old story.

In the 2018 election Maduro's opposition was not allowed to participate, in 2024 the govt declared Maduro the winner without providing any vote counts. Up until today many countries did not recognize Maduro as the president of Venezuela. I think that even if you believe that Trump is a massive shit and shouldn't have started this regime change, you should not pretend that the last two elections in Venezuela were legitimate.

You're right of course I just dont think it's the best course of action even if Maduro was illegitimate. Lots of people liked Trump because they wanted a non interventionist America first policy.

Also, hold on Maduro banned usury?
Well what did he expect to happen?
Historically he's lucky to be alive.



Lets make a list.
Leaders who banned usury and weren't invaded within a couple of years.
1.....

Ok I've got nothing.

I was just making fun of Jack because he supports the war in Palestine but is clutching his pearls about Venezuela.

There is quite a big difference between attacking a group that carried out terrorist attacks against you, and overthrowing a government which hasn't.

In the 2018 election Maduro's opposition was not allowed to participate, in 2024 the govt declared Maduro the winner without providing any vote counts. Up until today many countries did not recognize Maduro as the president of Venezuela. I think that even if you believe that Trump is a massive shit and shouldn't have started this regime change, you should not pretend that the last two elections in Venezuela were legitimate.

Some were, just not all.
Are you really surprised that someone who was already in prison was not allowed to be a candidate for the election?
If the democrats wanted a convicted felon serving time in prison to be a candidate, and didn't put forward any others. I don't think excluding candidates in prison is unreasonable, even if countries like the US allow it.
Other countries, including Australia, prohibit running for government if you are in prison for a term of 12 months of more, or if you have been convicted of an offense punishable by 12 months of more.

The 2024 election appeared to be a complete shit show, including having the opposition take the tally sheets to store in secret locations.
So there is bad acting on both sides.

Quote from: disputeone on January 03, 2026, 02:30:54 PM

I was just making fun of Jack because he supports the war in Palestine but is clutching his pearls about Venezuela.

There is quite a big difference

Youre right.
The US isnt funding a genocide in Venezuela, unlike Palestine.

A big difference indeed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

The Gaza genocide is the ongoing, intentional, and systematic destruction of the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip carried out by Israel during the Gaza war. It encompasses mass killings, deliberate starvation, infliction of serious bodily and mental harm, and prevention of births. Other acts include blockading, destroying civilian infrastructure, destroying healthcare facilities, killing healthcare workers and aid-seekers, causing mass forced displacement, committing sexual violence, and destroying educational, religious, and cultural sites.[15] The genocide has been recognised by a United Nations special committee[16] and commission of inquiry,[15] the International Association of Genocide Scholars,[17][18] multiple human rights groups,[c] numerous genocide studies and international law scholars,[24][25] and other experts.

Experts affirm that statements by Israeli political and military leaders[113][114][115]—coupled with eliminationist media rhetoric and Israel's conduct in Gaza—indicate genocidal intent and incitement against the Palestinian people in Gaza.[115] Israeli officials and journalists[113][116][117] have made verbal statements that dehumanise Palestinians and incite, justify, or praise atrocities against them as a group.[118][119] Genocidal intent is also evidenced by the scale and systematic nature of actions that exceed any legitimate military objective[120][115]—including the extensive targeting of children,[55][115] widespread sexual violence,[121] destruction of cultural heritage,[122][123][124] and imposition of life-destroying conditions[125][126]—together with the persistence of these practices despite awareness of their catastrophic effects.[127][128]

"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly."[e]

– Yoav Gallant, Minister of Defense of Israel, on 9 October 2023[129][130][131]
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Say, what did the US accuse Maduro of doing again?

Quote from: JackBlack on January 03, 2026, 04:21:51 PM

Quote from: disputeone on January 03, 2026, 02:30:54 PM

I was just making fun of Jack because he supports the war in Palestine but is clutching his pearls about Venezuela.

There is quite a big difference

Youre right.

Yes, Israel didn't bomb Gaza and capture their leader unprovoked.
They responded to military action by Gaza.

They responded to military action by Gaza.

They responded with Genocide.
Say, you often call people "human animals" or "subhumans" too Jack. Any relation to Yoav Gallant?

Just a similar thought process?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

The Gaza genocide is the ongoing, intentional, and systematic destruction of the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip carried out by Israel during the Gaza war. It encompasses mass killings, deliberate starvation, infliction of serious bodily and mental harm, and prevention of births. Other acts include blockading, destroying civilian infrastructure, destroying healthcare facilities, killing healthcare workers and aid-seekers, causing mass forced displacement, committing sexual violence, and destroying educational, religious, and cultural sites.[15] The genocide has been recognised by a United Nations special committee[16] and commission of inquiry,[15] the International Association of Genocide Scholars,[17][18] multiple human rights groups,[c] numerous genocide studies and international law scholars,[24][25] and other experts.

Experts affirm that statements by Israeli political and military leaders[113][114][115]—coupled with eliminationist media rhetoric and Israel's conduct in Gaza—indicate genocidal intent and incitement against the Palestinian people in Gaza.[115] Israeli officials and journalists[113][116][117] have made verbal statements that dehumanise Palestinians and incite, justify, or praise atrocities against them as a group.[118][119] Genocidal intent is also evidenced by the scale and systematic nature of actions that exceed any legitimate military objective[120][115]—including the extensive targeting of children,[55][115] widespread sexual violence,[121] destruction of cultural heritage,[122][123][124] and imposition of life-destroying conditions[125][126]—together with the persistence of these practices despite awareness of their catastrophic effects.[127][128]

"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly."[e]

– Yoav Gallant, Minister of Defense of Israel, on 9 October 2023[129][130][131]
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The Venezuelans living in Florida are partying right now. I didn't realize about 8 million of them had fled the country under Maduro.

The Venezuelans living in Florida are partying right now. I didn't realize about 8 million of them had fled the country under Maduro.

We get a warped sense of things from western Media. I met a bunch a Vietnamese and talked to them about the Vietnam war, they wouldn't hear anything bad about the US, as far as they were concerned the US was helping to liberate them from the communists.

I was a bit taken aback, I didnt think they would see things that way.

Edit.
Im still interested in making a list of leaders who banned usury and weren't invaded.

You're right of course I just dont think it's the best course of action even if Maduro was illegitimate.

What would be the best course of action?

I dont know.

I take it you agree with me that the war on terror was a great success.

Iraq and Afghanistan were a huge success for the US and Israel. They destabilised the middle east for Israel ensuring their dominance in the region and helped Europe become more diverse.

Two birds with one stone really.
What else did they hope to accomplish from them?

I dont know.

I take it you agree with me that the war on terror was a great success.

Quote from: disputeone on January 03, 2026, 02:30:54 PM

Iraq and Afghanistan were a huge success for the US and Israel. They destabilised the middle east for Israel ensuring their dominance in the region and helped Europe become more diverse.

Two birds with one stone really.
What else did they hope to accomplish from them?

I am not interested in your tangents at this time.

I think its relevant.

In the 2018 election Maduro's opposition was not allowed to participate, in 2024 the govt declared Maduro the winner without providing any vote counts. Up until today many countries did not recognize Maduro as the president of Venezuela. I think that even if you believe that Trump is a massive shit and shouldn't have started this regime change, you should not pretend that the last two elections in Venezuela were legitimate.

If illegitimate elections are all it takes for us to go in and change a regime, then why haven't we take Putin out already?