War

Not pizza-gate, but the Pentagon Pizza Index is what you need to be aware of:

Trump will strut around, we will posture and the IDF with American backing will continue to murder children queuing for flour.

All your colleagues are saying Trump has chickened out this morning, so I can only take that as saying they don't believe Trump will get involved in the Iran war.

Which is reassuring.

For me.

They are hoping that if they accuse Trump of chickening out it will hurt his ego and he'll go ahead and drop the bunker buster bombs.

His ego is probably big enough for it to work too.

Haha.  I use the Theoden and Wormtongue analogy a lot these days.  Not entirely sure about Tucker Carlson as Gandalf though.

Sadly I don’t really see Gandalf or Aragorn anywhere in all this.  Just a lot of Grimas, Theodens and the occasional Saruman.

Could be a case for Trump as Denethor as well.

tucker does not like trump

taht does not mean tucker is good

Tucker likes Trump enough to tell him when he thinks he's making a mistake.

What makes you think that Trump likes Tucker enough to listen?

Who's to say.

Are you hoping Trump doesn't listen?

That depends on who is telling him what.

Do you remember the post before the one you are currently replying to or is it just a one post at a time thing?

What makes you think that Tucker is the only person that Trump doesn't listen to?

There's so much chatter about US B-2 bombers en route to Iran currently. I guess I'll find out if there's anything to it tomorrow morning.

I think the world would see it as an act of US aggression.

Apparently this comes from CNN who I was sure would support the strikes, but credit where it's due this is a great clip.


Edit.
It's John Stewart, stupid click bait youtube channels, I'd only seen the webm.

John Stewart is Jewish too, good for him, it's very good.

Guess which lapdog’s base they’ll be flying the damn sorties out of?

Is it muggins over here? Yes, of course it is.  Complicit as always.

Guam?

Edit.
Also, I called it.
Fucking Zion Don man.

This is a historic moment for Israel, and therefore the world.

Iran must agree to end a war that Israel started?  How does that work?

We should ask Rayzor or Stash.
They could explain it to us.

Edit.

Ted is using all of Rayzors talking points.

>Is AIPAC a foreign lobby?
>You're an antisemite obsessed with the Jews!

Interviews like this with people like Tucker are important for this issue because Tucker is so reasonable and has been very sympathetic to Israel in the past.

Ted Cruz would have got me pretty early on.
>AIPAC is ran by Americans
>Yeah American Jews
>AHA! I got you now
>Interview continues for an hour calling me an anti-semite

Tucker obviously knows the traps and was careful not to fall into one.

Guam?

Edit.
Also, I called it.
Fucking Zion Don man.

Doge didn't save anyone any money. It was political ploy, and Musk would have gladly handed over that bag to Israel himself anyways.

They are hoping that if they accuse Trump of chickening out it will hurt his ego and he'll go ahead and drop the bunker buster bombs.

Well be did now. Why is it so hard for America to not start wars constantly? Surely this won't turn into a massive crisis with millions of deaths and displacements.

So, mission accomplished, then?

Apparently it was hugely successful in eliminating the threat.

No need for Israel to keep bombing Iran, and no need for further US involvement, right?  Right?

So, mission accomplished, then?

Apparently it was hugely successful in eliminating the threat.

No need for Israel to keep bombing Iran, and no need for further US involvement, right?  Right?

I'm unconvinced.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 19, 2025, 05:55:55 PM

They are hoping that if they accuse Trump of chickening out it will hurt his ego and he'll go ahead and drop the bunker buster bombs.

Well be did now. Why is it so hard for America to not start wars constantly? Surely this won't turn into a massive crisis with millions of deaths and displacements.

The chickenhawks were writing articles criticizing Trump for saying he would make a decision in two weeks, as if taking a couple weeks to consider whether or not to destroy people's lives is a bad thing.

Quote from: Pezevenk on June 21, 2025, 10:51:49 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 19, 2025, 05:55:55 PM

They are hoping that if they accuse Trump of chickening out it will hurt his ego and he'll go ahead and drop the bunker buster bombs.

Well be did now. Why is it so hard for America to not start wars constantly? Surely this won't turn into a massive crisis with millions of deaths and displacements.

The chickenhawks were writing articles criticizing Trump for saying he would make a decision in two weeks, as if taking a couple weeks to consider whether or not to destroy people's lives is a bad thing.

I'm more like "why the hell would you even announce that?"
Then he bombed them.

So the answer is: make Iran think they had 2 weeks.... Possibly.  Or he changed his mind.  Or someone changed his mind.  Or he's just an asshole.  Or all 3.

Trump is very close to making 4chan his enemy. Which is unwise.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5363109-trump-maga-thomas-massie/

Thomas Massie is a good man who cares about the US more than he cares about Israel, which apparently isn't allowed, in the MAGA movement.

It's interesting how the US is boasting about destroying a weapon that didn't exist. Trump talking about how they took the bomb out of their hands. What bomb? They didn't have one and they weren't making one.

I also love how they are portraying Iran as being extremely dangerous and "crazy" to argue Iran should never develop nuclear weapons. If anything, Iran has shown extreme restraint, not just now, but throughout the whole of the crisis. Israel has repeatedly assassinated Iranians and bombed its soil but Iran has been extremely measured in its response, because they don't want to escalate things beyond their capabilities. That doesn't sound "crazy" to me.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 22, 2025, 06:37:47 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on June 21, 2025, 10:51:49 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 19, 2025, 05:55:55 PM

They are hoping that if they accuse Trump of chickening out it will hurt his ego and he'll go ahead and drop the bunker buster bombs.

Well be did now. Why is it so hard for America to not start wars constantly? Surely this won't turn into a massive crisis with millions of deaths and displacements.

The chickenhawks were writing articles criticizing Trump for saying he would make a decision in two weeks, as if taking a couple weeks to consider whether or not to destroy people's lives is a bad thing.

I'm more like "why the hell would you even announce that?"
Then he bombed them.

So the answer is: make Iran think they had 2 weeks.... Possibly.  Or he changed his mind.  Or someone changed his mind.  Or he's just an asshole.  Or all 3.

Or maybe Iran indicated that they were prepared to reopen the talks that were cancelled when Israel attacked?

On Friday some European representatives met with Iranians in Geneva to discuss a way forward.  Not particularly successfully , but a clear sign they were engaging.

Saturday night the US joined in.

At least they didn’t use our base in the end, even after it looked like the bombers were heading there.   Not clear if they asked for permission and were refused, decided to avoid the possibility, or had some other reason?

If anything, Iran has shown extreme restraint, not just now, but throughout the whole of the crisis. Israel has repeatedly assassinated Iranians and bombed its soil but Iran has been extremely measured in its response, because they don't want to escalate things beyond their capabilities. That doesn't sound "crazy" to me.

That's like saying a person with no arms is showing restraint by not punching anyone.

I totally disagree  with bombing Iran (I'm sure Trump and Bibi are taking note), but they are very firmly in FAFO territory.  Their dreams of becoming the preeminent power in the region look laughable now and their incompetent regime will be just desperate to cling on to power.

If it does collapse, fuck knows what kind of a mess could ensue.   Probably way worse than all the other super successful "regime changes" so far...

regime change will only happen if there is a militia power to rival the official military...

Apparently Trump's "We totally destroyed the nuclear weapons" was not... accurate.  The success is questionable and frankly, that's no surprise.

What Trump supporters should be asking is... how did North Korea make nukes BEFORE Iran if Iran IS trying to make a nuke?