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There's 18 minutes of my life I won't get back.

The answer is no.  He has nothing.  Unless you count acting like a clown on youtube as proof.

Proof he identifies as a leftist?
Or that he thinks we're being lied to about the pipelines?

What evidence do you have that Russia did it?

You're getting really nasty about this. People are starting to notice.

Proof he identifies as a leftist?
Or that he thinks we're being lied to about the pipelines?

What evidence do you have that Russia did it?

You're getting really nasty about this. People are starting to notice.

Oh no!  Have concerns been raised?

It's an open question really.  The US has done things like this in the past.  It's not how we're doing things in this war.

Russia on the other hand lies constantly.  This would be completely in character for them.  Additionally this incident happened curiously close to Kaliningrad. 

So my suspicions point to Russia.  Not guaranteed.  I'd like to see proof and I look forward to seeing what evidence you can bring me on the matter.

Just beware of the time zones.

What is Russia's motive?

While you think of something plausible, have you read through the RAND study?



The US had every motivation and the ability to take out the pipelines. Had simulated doing it to weaken Russia, said they were going to do it, ran military operations there while it happened. Then after it was done said it was a great opportunity.

How is that for evidence?

You're trying to say that only maniacs would think the US did it.

Let's say for arguments sake America did it. Guilty as charged and proud of it

Who gives a fuck

Russia sucks. Putin is an arsehole. Cripple that fucking stain into irrelevance.

Europe can get their energy from other countries as well as diversify their energy sources.

On the plus side you don't have to pay billions to autocratic fucksticks

I'm sorry... Is that thinking not in sync with that greasy Tucker fuck?

Free speech is a bitch huh.... Cry more snowflakes

While you think of something plausible, have you read through the RAND study?



The US had every motivation and the ability to take out the pipelines. Had simulated doing it to weaken Russia, said they were going to do it, ran military operations there while it happened. Then after it was done said it was a great opportunity.

How is that for evidence?

You're trying to say that only maniacs would think the US did it.

Russia is way over here.

US is way other there.

How in the hell do you think we're going to get our natural gas to Europe economonically?  Are we supposed to build a new buildline or something.

If we're going for the angle of "the us wants to sett Europe energy then it just doesn't work.  Basic logistests tell us we can't compete with pipelines when we're using LNG.

What else you got for me.

Let's say for arguments sake America did it. Guilty as charged and proud of it

Who gives a fuck

Europeans who can't keep their power on?

What else you got for me.

What I posted is strong evidence.

Quote from: Wolvaccine on October 18, 2022, 10:30:42 PM

Let's say for arguments sake America did it. Guilty as charged and proud of it

Who gives a fuck

Europeans who can't keep their power on?

Quote from: Crouton on October 18, 2022, 10:36:27 PM

What else you got for me.

What I posted is strong evidence.

What you post is speculation and conjecture. It's a 'kind of' evidence if you have absolutely nothing. Which of course you don't

You posted the US motive yourself. Just one post ago. Remember?

What was Russia's motive?

The US had every motivation and the ability to take out the pipelines. Had simulated doing it to weaken Russia, said they were going to do it, ran military operations there while it happened. Then after it was done said it was a great opportunity.

You posted the US motive yourself. Just one post ago. Remember?

What was Russia's motive?

The US had every motivation and the ability to take out the pipelines. Had simulated doing it to weaken Russia, said they were going to do it, ran military operations there while it happened. Then after it was done said it was a great opportunity.

Should be easy to find some evidence then.  Get back to me when you have it.

You want an msnbc opinion piece?

The US had every motivation and the ability to take out the pipelines. Had simulated doing it to weaken Russia, said they were going to do it, ran military operations there while it happened. Then after it was done said it was a great opportunity.

What was Russia's motivation to destroy the pipelines?

Besides that Putin is bad.

Surely someone has a reasonable explanation.

Anyone?

Quote from: disputeone on October 18, 2022, 07:03:53 PM

Even lifelong "leftists" think this is a total sham.

As I said before this isn't a partisan issue unless the sides are human and vampire.

Russel Brand is not a leftist.  Russel Brand is a maniac.

Russell Brand is real.

If no one else wants to play then I will give you some free advice. I've noticed you listen to me, why not help you out a bit more, as frens



Russel Brand is real, despite his flaws, that is how he has amassed such a large audience by seemingly acting like a clown on the internet.

Everything is so fake now that people cling to anything that seems real. People can accept mistakes, accept bad takes, accept outright blunders when you admit you are wrong. People can like you despite your flaws.

What people can't accept is claims of infallibility and being told what to believe, instead of being sold on the evidence. That is exceptionally hard to forgive by a populace towards its ruling class. Do you even read?

There are too many people capable of critical and abstract thought to buy into the current narrative.

There's no one left to shill for the establishment who isn't a cardboard cut out at best, or a corporate whore at worst.

Six hours you won't regret.

What was Russia's motivation to destroy the pipelines?

Besides that Putin is bad.

Surely someone has a reasonable explanation.

Anyone?

He bombed an apartment building in Moscow killing innocent russians so he could blame the Chechens,  what's so hard to understand. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

The motivation for Russia to blow up their own pipelines, lose their leverage over Germany and the EU and make the EU reliant on American and Australian natural gas is perplexing to me.

While Germany is predicted to have 72 hour blackouts and Europe is experiencing and will experience more mass civil unrest where antifa and the AfD are protesting together against corporate interests.

You can't really call anti-fa "far right", not after the last six years. They are passionate, lots of them but misguided. If that anger were turned against the ruling class instead of "the far right." You would have serious problems.

Like I said to Crouton, do you even read?

The pipeline was not a workable leverage after the invasion. It was actually embarrassing for Russia to have nations stand up to them. The leverage was for Germany. End the invasion and we can negotiate

Russia has never been reliable lately for the gas supply. And one of the pipelines was never even switched on. Russia lost nothing out of it being broken.

As for the protesters in Germany having a cry.... Harden up. Short term pain for long term gain is far preferable to a short term gain for long term pain

Who cares to heat the house toasty warm. Put on a fucking jumper. An extra blanket. Pretty sure the residents of Oymyakon or Longyearbyen have it much more difficult.

Fucking 1st world problems and weak as piss pansies....

If my government told me we had to ration energy because it wasn't going to pay billions of dollars to an autocratic fuck head who would only use those dollars funding his war machine to eventually invade us or our neighbours, I'd be like 'hell yeah, stick it to the man!'

German pansies are soft sacks. This generation is being such cry babies.

Without the pipeline, there is now assurance. Not a never ending 'will they/won't they'.

Time to diversify energy sources. Germany was stupid to shut down its nuclear power. Weak.


You seem awfully upset about this pipeline destruction dipshit.... Like your upset Putin has lost an asset here. Whose fucking side are you on? Every post you make seems more supportive of the reds. I know Tucker likes them but what do you see in them?

The ball to de escalate and end this war peacefully is in Pootins court. Not the West's. Every escalation has been Russia. If a nuke drops, no doubt you'll blame America or Ukraine.

You were against the yanks invasion of Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East. Fair enough. Funny how you have zero condemnation for Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But of course we know which side you're rooting for.....

Someone really needs to fire you, you are unilaterally incompetent.

You actually better do something Crouton.

Quote from: disputeone on September 30, 2022, 07:12:21 AM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on September 30, 2022, 07:07:58 AM

If the pipelines are destroyed, it's silly to protest about activating them and the political fallout at home would be reduced because the lack of gas was out of their hands

Quote from: disputeone on September 30, 2022, 07:36:08 AM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on September 30, 2022, 07:30:27 AM

I imagine blowing up the pipeline brings some stability to the market. Now that everyone knows it's not really an option. When it's always 'up in the air' and you have a mentally fucked and one foot in the grave already leader like Pootin calling the shots - it's wildly unstable and unknown

Quote from: disputeone on September 30, 2022, 08:00:07 AM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on September 30, 2022, 07:58:37 AM

Yep. Props even to the Ruskis if they did it. An own goal in the end if there was ever one.

the reds.

I do think there are some glowies out there still fighting the cold war.

It's just so transparent, you literally glow in the dark.I bet you didn't even write your own compiler.

Lol not a single denial. Yep. You're on team Ruski.

Fuckwit

Jesus gang n***a.

I was under the impression that Germany had already cut ties with Russian LNG near the start of this war, so the Nord Stream pipeline leaks didn't really change much about German energy, but I could be wrong about that.  There have also been plenty of instances of Russia attacking their own infrastructure in this war to make it look like someone else is attacking them.

The US has only been a weapon supplier so far in this war, why would they decide to make a strike on a target that would provide little benefit to them or helping to end the war?  Why would they risk being brought into the war in a more active roll by way of being an aggressor and giving any credence to Putin's claim of defense of Russia?  Too much risk, too little reward.

The motivation for Russia to blow up their own pipelines, lose their leverage over Germany and the EU and make the EU reliant on American and Australian natural gas is perplexing to me.

While Germany is predicted to have 72 hour blackouts and Europe is experiencing and will experience more mass civil unrest where antifa and the AfD are protesting together against corporate interests.

You can't really call anti-fa "far right", not after the last six years. They are passionate, lots of them but misguided. If that anger were turned against the ruling class instead of "the far right." You would have serious problems.

Like I said to Crouton, do you even read?

I'm still waiting on more information regarding the pipeline.  And I think you are too, otherwise you wouldn't have brought up what you that was "proof".

I'd just like to point out that it's ironic that someone who sees false flags everywhere for some reason won't even consider the possibility here.

I was under the impression that Germany had already cut ties with Russian LNG near the start of this war, so the Nord Stream pipeline leaks didn't really change much about German energy, but I could be wrong about that.

The problem is Germany running out of gas and German citizens pressuring their government to open the pipelines, which happened just before they were blown up.

There have also been plenty of instances of Russia attacking their own infrastructure in this war to make it look like someone else is attacking them.

Source?
Are you sure you aren't talking about the soviets in ww2?
Can we really talk about that here?

The US has only been a weapon supplier so far in this war, why would they decide to make a strike on a target that would provide little benefit to them or helping to end the war?  Why would they risk being brought into the war in a more active roll by way of being an aggressor and giving any credence to Putin's claim of defense of Russia?  Too much risk, too little reward.

Blowing up the pipelines is in Americas interest. The US had every motivation and the ability to take out the pipelines. Had simulated doing it to weaken Russia, said they were going to do it, ran military operations there while it happened. Then after it was done said it was a great opportunity.

Ukraine has only defended itself up until now because of western military aid. We are already all in.

I'd just like to point out that it's ironic that someone who sees false flags everywhere for some reason won't even consider the possibility here.

I can consider the possibility. I don't see the motive, what was Russia's motive to attack the pipelines as a false flag?

Successful false flag attacks, as you know, end with people believing your story. The German government won't consider the possibility it was the US. For national security reasons, like Sweden.

Edit.
Does anyone else have deja-vu?

How it started.

Why do we care about Ukraine so much that we would have 2 world superpowers plunged in a war for? It's madness

Ukraine doesn't need NATO military bases or backup. In fact, no European country really 'needs' it. Not when you have a President of America who could facilitate the landing of a nuke within 30 minutes anywhere on the Earth at any time.

Although I hope they dont resort to nuclear warfare over a 3rd rate and corrupt country like Ukraine. America should worry about it's own backyard before involving itself in others.

How it's going.

As for the protesters in Germany having a cry.... Harden up. Short term pain for long term gain is far preferable to a short term gain for long term pain

Who cares to heat the house toasty warm. Put on a fucking jumper. An extra blanket. Pretty sure the residents of Oymyakon or Longyearbyen have it much more difficult.

Fucking 1st world problems and weak as piss pansies....

If my government told me we had to ration energy because it wasn't going to pay billions of dollars to an autocratic fuck head who would only use those dollars funding his war machine to eventually invade us or our neighbours, I'd be like 'hell yeah, stick it to the man!'

German pansies are soft sacks. This generation is being such cry babies.

Meanwhile in Russia...

They can't even afford to give their soldiers socks, health kits, bullet proof vests, winter clothes, food.


But Germans have to war sweaters indoor.

War.... War never changes...

Have you read ww2 history?

That's how they do things. It seems to work.

It gets very cold in Germany during winter. Disregarding the concerns of your citizens isn't an expedient action for any ruling class.

Have you read the Prince, Crouton?

Either treat people well, or crush them.

Have you read ww2 history?

That's how they do things. It seems to work.

It gets very cold in Germany during winter. Disregarding the concerns of your citizens isn't an expedient action for any ruling class.

Have you read the Prince, Crouton?

Either treat people well, or crush them.

That's also how they did things in ww1. How'd that work out for them?

Quote from: disputeone on October 19, 2022, 11:10:07 PM

Have you read ww2 history?

That's how they do things. It seems to work.

It gets very cold in Germany during winter. Disregarding the concerns of your citizens isn't an expedient action for any ruling class.

Have you read the Prince, Crouton?

Either treat people well, or crush them.

That's also how they did things in ww1. How'd that work out for them?

Kill death ratio or winning the war?

I don't see your point.

Have you read the Prince, Crouton?

Either treat people well, or crush them.