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« Reply #1320 on: March 20, 2022, 12:39:20 AM »
What else did ya'll hear about on the computer?
Let's get out our pitch forks, (no torches because of the time change).


How is this different than all of the wars we started?



What the fuck happened to covid? 
I can't find that on the news anywhere.





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« Reply #1321 on: March 20, 2022, 02:31:14 AM »
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« Reply #1322 on: March 20, 2022, 04:56:12 AM »
What the fuck happened to covid? 
I can't find that on the news anywhere.

We all got vaccinated.   

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« Reply #1323 on: March 20, 2022, 04:59:50 AM »
"Lukashenko says "Putin is more alive than anyone else", "will survive us all", "in top shape", "never been more in his right mind", "will only catch a cold at our funerals"..."

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1505155921969881103

So my translation of that is that Putin is not well, and might not last much longer.

Apparently the phrase has some history..

"more alive than anyone else" was originally written by Mayakovsky about Lenin when Lenin was already dead.

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« Reply #1324 on: March 21, 2022, 04:29:49 PM »
I'm starting to regret how youtube has banned Russian propaganda.  The pure unrefined stuff right from the source is kind of interesting.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-threatens-poland-letter-joe-biden-visit-ukraine-invasion-1689987
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"The interests of the citizens of Poland have been sacrificed due to Russophobia of 'mediocre politicians' and their 'puppeteers from across the ocean' with clear signs of senile insanity," the former Russian president and prime minister wrote in a post on his Telegram channel.

Nice.  Being against Russia is now Russophobia.  It also reminds me of the whole dotard thing with North Korea.

Here's an article describing how Starlink is being used in Ukraine.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/starlink-helps-ukraines-elite-drone-unit-target-and-destroy-russian-tanks/
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Russian officials are not happy about SpaceX providing help to Ukraine. "When Russia implements its highest national interests on the territory of Ukraine, Elon Musk appears with his Starlink which was previously declared as purely civilian," Dmitry Rogozin, director general of Russian space agency Roscosmos, said on Russia Today in early March, according to a translation.

"I warned about it, but our 'muskophiles' said he is the light of the world of cosmonautics," Rogozin said. "Here, look, he has chosen the side. I don't even blame him personally. This is the West that we should never trust."

He does make a good point.  Russia is innocently implementing its highest national interests on the territory of Ukraine and then the evil Elon Musk appears.

This article claims that Putin told Russia that we're trying to "cancel" them.  I wonder if the Russian people are aware of the whole idea of cancel culture.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/vladimir-putin-the-west-to-cancel-russia-b988530.html

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« Reply #1325 on: March 21, 2022, 06:06:37 PM »
Fuckin' Trump

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« Reply #1326 on: March 22, 2022, 09:17:03 AM »
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« Reply #1327 on: March 22, 2022, 09:21:38 AM »
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« Reply #1328 on: March 22, 2022, 10:07:07 AM »
Nice.  Being against Russia is now Russophobia.
It's easy to be dismissive about propaganda from the outside, but the thing is it makes a lot of sense from within. This is the main news source, people tend to trust the news groups they grew up with, independent of actual merit. With the advent of social media, okay, people get information from outside - and they see our election cycles, campaigns of misinformation, propaganda, over-the-top accusations and sensationalising, so much so that it's hard to sort between the legitimate and the illegitimate. Then you have bitter infighting over topics like "Is mass-death from a pandemic a good thing?" Or QAnon cults.
If you have begun to doubt the news that you were used to, how would you find accurate information in among all that?

And then you have the genuine dumb stuff. With the sanctions, bloody OnlyFans has shut down service in Russia. I'm sure Putin was making a lot of money on that site. You have a lot of performative rubbish, not meant for the benefit of Russia, but for propaganda back home, or people that do things just because they can. Stop trading oil, weapons, and keep food and hobbies ongoing. Anything else fails to hit Putin and the war effort, and just hits the locals, and makes them see the West as the russophobic mess they're told it is.
I know someone in Russia. They generally work by commission, including with a mostly-international audience. They protested the war, got thrown in jail for a night, got out with a fine, and then everything from paypal to patreon stopped funding them so suddenly they can no longer make a living. For a lot of people, that would stoke bitterness, even justify it, and propaganda isn't even involved - it's direct experience with what our leaders are doing. I am pretty sure the Russian army isn't on Patreon. Then you have people suddenly being wary of any vaguely slavic names, restaurants, people (including, you know, Ukrainians) and all the overplayed memeing about Russian bots. Russian IPs getting their social media randomly deleted for fear of being bots, limiting contact with the outside world.

Objections to Putin aren't Russophobia, but the fact is we do tend to give him a lot of ammunition.

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« Reply #1329 on: March 22, 2022, 12:32:22 PM »

And then you have the genuine dumb stuff. With the sanctions, bloody OnlyFans has shut down service in Russia. I'm sure Putin was making a lot of money on that site. You have a lot of performative rubbish, not meant for the benefit of Russia, but for propaganda back home, or people that do things just because they can. Stop trading oil, weapons, and keep food and hobbies ongoing. Anything else fails to hit Putin and the war effort, and just hits the locals, and makes them see the West as the russophobic mess they're told it is.

Fair point, but this kind of thing aren’t really sanctions.  They are decisions by individual companies.  The reasons may be genuinely ethical, cold hard business decisions about their reputations in other markets, or anywhere in between. 

Unless it’s actually illegal for the likes of OnlyFans to continue services in Russia?  In which case that is due to sanctions. 

Sadly, even if real sanctions are carefully targeted at those propping up a shitty regime, they inevitably hit the public. 

But what else can we do?  War with Russia could quickly escalate horribly, and we can’t just continue as if nothing is happening.  It’s painful to watch things unfold as they are, but I think “the west” so far has the response about right.

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« Reply #1330 on: March 22, 2022, 12:34:53 PM »


Good grief.  I’m blaming you if I wake up at 3am in a cold sweat.

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« Reply #1331 on: March 22, 2022, 06:11:05 PM »
Has anyone been noticing the correlation between anti-vax anti-mandate people and the pro-putin people.

Almost as if there was a common thread there,  I wonder what that could be?   Russian disinfo campaign?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/pro-putin-disinformation-on-ukraine-is-thriving-in-online-anti-vax-groups/

In other news, there are reports of the Russians being encircled and cut off. 

https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1506265327973376009

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« Reply #1332 on: March 22, 2022, 06:19:50 PM »
One thing I've wondered about Russian pows, if Poland offered to hold them then does that somehow involve Poland in this war or could that be called some kind of humanitarian aid?
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« Reply #1333 on: March 22, 2022, 07:22:13 PM »
It's believed that Russia is planning cyber attacks against the US.  One might wonder if such an attack could be used as an excuse to finally trigger a more direct response from NATO.
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« Reply #1334 on: March 22, 2022, 10:26:02 PM »
Has anyone been noticing the correlation between anti-vax anti-mandate people and the pro-putin people.

Almost as if there was a common thread there,  I wonder what that could be?   Russian disinfo campaign?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/pro-putin-disinformation-on-ukraine-is-thriving-in-online-anti-vax-groups/

In other news, there are reports of the Russians being encircled and cut off. 

https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1506265327973376009



There was an online comment that the pro maga trolls and praise accounts seems to have died down a bit.
Pssoibly like if it were a crime for usa super pacs were no loner allowed to pay online russian actors...

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« Reply #1335 on: March 23, 2022, 05:03:27 AM »
Has anyone been noticing the correlation between anti-vax anti-mandate people and the pro-putin people.

Almost as if there was a common thread there,  I wonder what that could be?   Russian disinfo campaign?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/pro-putin-disinformation-on-ukraine-is-thriving-in-online-anti-vax-groups/

In other news, there are reports of the Russians being encircled and cut off. 

https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1506265327973376009

I'm seeing more tweets saying this but none of them mention exactly how many soldiers are encircled.
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« Reply #1336 on: March 23, 2022, 05:42:05 AM »
It's not just around Kyiv that things are going wrong for the Russians...

"Fascinating claimed intercepted call from Russian officer near Mykolaiv to superiors in Russia. He says:
- This is worse than Chechnya
- 50% of troops have frostbite
- They can’t evacuate the dead
- Don’t have enough tents
- RU plane dropped a bomb on their own position"

https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1506453063267241994

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« Reply #1337 on: March 23, 2022, 06:23:00 AM »
I'm not sure about frostbite.  It's 16C in Kyiv today.
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« Reply #1338 on: March 23, 2022, 06:29:16 AM »
I'm seeing more tweets saying this but none of them mention exactly how many soldiers are encircled.

No idea how many, but maybe a couple of brigades of 3-5000 each, and maybe a few battalions of 500-800 each.   All up maybe around 10,000 or so.

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« Reply #1339 on: March 23, 2022, 06:31:41 AM »
I'm not sure about frostbite.  It's 16C in Kyiv today.

-5 over night last saturday.
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« Reply #1340 on: March 23, 2022, 06:52:12 AM »
I'm not sure about frostbite.  It's 16C in Kyiv today.

-5 over night last saturday.
Still doesn't sound likely.  Unless it's just superficial, in which case, it maybe doesn't mean much.  If 50% had full frostbite, then they would be finished.

I'm sure some of this might be lost in translation.   Experts seem suspect it might be trenchfoot - wet feet getting cold and then suffering.  I still don't believe it's 50% - those rates are like Germany after the battle of Moscow, when it was -30c.

For many Russians -5C is nothing, it's not like they can't cope with these temperatures.
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« Reply #1341 on: March 23, 2022, 07:01:03 AM »
I'm not sure about frostbite.  It's 16C in Kyiv today.

-5 over night last saturday.
Still doesn't sound likely.  Unless it's just superficial, in which case, it maybe doesn't mean much.  If 50% had full frostbite, then they would be finished.

I'm sure some of this might be lost in translation.   Experts seem suspect it might be trenchfoot - wet feet getting cold and then suffering.  I still don't believe it's 50% - those rates are like Germany after the battle of Moscow, when it was -30c.

For many Russians -5C is nothing, it's not like they can't cope with these temperatures.

All good points, I wonder why multiple outlets are reporting it.

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-soldiers-suffering-frostbite-ukraine-war-invasion-frozen-pentagon-1690944?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1648040206

Even the ever reliable Daily Mail ( cough cough)  is running with the story..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10640379/Russian-soldiers-suffering-frostbite-lack-proper-cold-weather-gear-Ukraine.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
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« Reply #1342 on: March 23, 2022, 08:05:28 AM »
The same reason multiple outlets ran with the story that the Russian cosmonauts were wearing Ukraine colors in support of Ukraine. Like they just had their suits whipped up a couple weeks ago! 
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« Reply #1343 on: March 23, 2022, 08:37:22 AM »
It's far more likely that, assuming the story isn't just made up entirely, this is more of a case of someone speaking informally. "Yeah, it's fucking cold, half my guys are getting frostbite, I hate this shit" would be a totally normal thing for someone to say, even if precisely 0% of their team actually had frostbite. Exaggerating for effect is a pretty human thing to do, and that's what I kind of think is going on in this case. Everyone bitches about their job.

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« Reply #1344 on: March 23, 2022, 08:41:03 AM »

All good points, I wonder why multiple outlets are reporting it.

I suppose they know we all want to read about how shit the Russian military is...

Anyway, there might be some truth in it, just not the "50% frostbite" bit.  Or the frostbite is frostnip - some blisters etc. Not going to take you out of action, but will add to general discomfort and lower moral (it is probably fucking miserable out there).
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« Reply #1345 on: March 23, 2022, 08:53:50 AM »
It's not just around Kyiv that things are going wrong for the Russians...

"Fascinating claimed intercepted call from Russian officer near Mykolaiv to superiors in Russia. He says:
- This is worse than Chechnya
- 50% of troops have frostbite
- They can’t evacuate the dead
- Don’t have enough tents
- RU plane dropped a bomb on their own position"

https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1506453063267241994

Well obviously they're calling in airstrikes on their own positions. How else do you expect them to keep warm?
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« Reply #1346 on: March 23, 2022, 11:45:25 AM »
Looks like we're close to the end of this conflict. The US has formally accused putin of war crimes. So I guess they'll just find him guilty and send in the cops to arrest him.

Problem solved.
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« Reply #1347 on: March 23, 2022, 12:30:23 PM »
Looks like we're close to the end of this conflict. The US has formally accused putin of war crimes. So I guess they'll just find him guilty and send in the cops to arrest him.

Problem solved.
Ridiculous idea.  How would the cops get past Stephen Seagal?  He'll just stand in the doorway.

Game over.
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« Reply #1348 on: March 23, 2022, 12:38:21 PM »
So it seems Poland may have accidentally left a bunch of MiGs fueled up and sitting on the runway while everyone that was supposed to be watching them collectively took a smoke break... and Ukrainian pilots stole 28 MiGs to bolster their air defense. The thieving bastards! Fortunately, the US isn't going to just allow one of our NATO allies to be 28 planes short of a complete fleet, so we're going to replace them just like we'd talked about before NATO collectively realized they couldn't think of a good way to get those MiGs to Ukraine in the first place.

If it's true, this has to be the most epic piece of fuckery so far.

https://www.valuewalk.com/ukrainian-pilots-steal-28-mig-29-fighters-from-poland/

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« Reply #1349 on: March 23, 2022, 12:47:07 PM »
Looks like we're close to the end of this conflict. The US has formally accused putin of war crimes. So I guess they'll just find him guilty and send in the cops to arrest him.

Problem solved.
Ridiculous idea.  How would the cops get past Stephen Seagal?  He'll just stand in the doorway.

Game over.

Good point.

I believe we'll have to declare this invasion of Ukraine to be a hate crime as well.

Check mate.
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