War

https://twitter.com/rumblevideo/status/1501647278154600452?s=20&t=S9xkKAE-H7Ck9A2IeaF0XQ

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BREAKING NEWS: YouTube removed @TheOliverStone's documentary, "Ukraine on Fire." We believe the public should decide what it sees, not Google execs. We're proud to announce the producers uploaded the film to Rumble, enabling anyone who wishes to view it

Dammit youtube, I wouldn't have wanted to watch if you hadn't taken it down. lol

https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html

Yeah, I wouldn't have watched it either except google took it down, which made me curious.

That video is pure propaganda.  The ukrainians shot themselves in the Maidan revolution?  MH17 was not shot down by Russian armed Seperatists, it was shot down by Ukrainians so that the seperatists would be blamed? 

The rose revolution in Georgia overthrew a democratically elected government?   I could go on with a few hundred other examples of spinning a false narrative.

While I don't agree with them taking it down, I like to think people are smart enough not to fall for propaganda, but maybe I'm too optimistic.

The story reminds me of the Russian apartment bombings that got Putin elected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

They proved it was the FSB planted explosives at the apartment block in Ryazan, but they claimed it was part of a training exercise and the investigation was quashed.

People fall for propaganda all the time. If they didn't there would be no marketing departments.

https://www.newsweek.com/vaccine-delivery-canceled-country-that-did-not-condemn-russia-1685561

One country's decision to abstain from condemning Russia has now cost it a shipment of COVID-19 vaccines.

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Among the abstaining members was the South Asian country of Bangladesh. As a result of that decision, Lithuania reversed a previous decision from earlier in the week to send over 440,000 doses of COVID-19 vaccines to Bangladesh, according to a report from Lithuanian National Radio and Television (LRT). This was confirmed to LRT by a spokesperson for Lithuanian prime minister Ingrida Šimonytė.

Holy shit.

https://www.newsweek.com/vaccine-delivery-canceled-country-that-did-not-condemn-russia-1685561

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One country's decision to abstain from condemning Russia has now cost it a shipment of COVID-19 vaccines.

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Among the abstaining members was the South Asian country of Bangladesh. As a result of that decision, Lithuania reversed a previous decision from earlier in the week to send over 440,000 doses of COVID-19 vaccines to Bangladesh, according to a report from Lithuanian National Radio and Television (LRT). This was confirmed to LRT by a spokesperson for Lithuanian prime minister Ingrida Šimonytė.

Holy shit.

If that's true, it's despicable. And if I had to bet, it's probably true.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on March 09, 2022, 05:15:24 PM

https://www.newsweek.com/vaccine-delivery-canceled-country-that-did-not-condemn-russia-1685561

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One country's decision to abstain from condemning Russia has now cost it a shipment of COVID-19 vaccines.

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Among the abstaining members was the South Asian country of Bangladesh. As a result of that decision, Lithuania reversed a previous decision from earlier in the week to send over 440,000 doses of COVID-19 vaccines to Bangladesh, according to a report from Lithuanian National Radio and Television (LRT). This was confirmed to LRT by a spokesperson for Lithuanian prime minister Ingrida Šimonytė.

Holy shit.

If that's true, it's despicable. And if I had to bet, it's probably true.

Yep, almost like the Lithuanians are upset that Bangladesh didn't condemn Russia for bombing their friends and neighbours,  sheesh some people are impossible.

Seriously,  I also think it's despicable, not delivering on promised covid vaccines is not going to help either side.

Yep, almost like the Lithuanians are upset that Bangladesh didn't condemn Russia for bombing their friends and neighbours,  sheesh some people are impossible.

Seriously,  I also think it's despicable, not delivering on promised covid vaccines is not going to help either side.

Based on the entirety of your post, I know we're not on different sides here. I totally agree that Lithuanians in general could very well be upset that the nation of Bangladesh didn't condemn Russia over this mess, and that's a justified anger. But yeah. Going after vaccines? That's a pretty anti-humanitarian approach that I can't get behind. If Russia needs vaccines, I still think we should be offering to help, and they are the aggressor here. Bangladesh isn't actively lobbing thermobaric bombs at any neighboring sovereign states, at least to the best of my awareness, which already puts them in a different category of potentially problematic nation states.

Lots of nations are trying their best not to piss off Russia right now. I mean, at least Ukraine is still getting those MiGs, though, right? Maybe withholding medicine isn't something people should use as a diplomatic stick. Then again, as *cough* Lenin (?) once famously said, some people say I'm a dreamer.


(Maybe that was a different guy, shit, it's hard to remember now, but you can imagine how great that reference would have been. I can, anyway. I'm sure I'm not the only one...)

Quote from: Rayzor on March 09, 2022, 06:46:11 PM

Yep, almost like the Lithuanians are upset that Bangladesh didn't condemn Russia for bombing their friends and neighbours,  sheesh some people are impossible.

Seriously,  I also think it's despicable, not delivering on promised covid vaccines is not going to help either side.

Based on the entirety of your post, I know we're not on different sides here. I totally agree that Lithuanians in general could very well be upset that the nation of Bangladesh didn't condemn Russia over this mess, and that's a justified anger. But yeah. Going after vaccines? That's a pretty anti-humanitarian approach that I can't get behind. If Russia needs vaccines, I still think we should be offering to help, and they are the aggressor here. Bangladesh isn't actively lobbing thermobaric bombs at any neighboring sovereign states, at least to the best of my awareness, which already puts them in a different category of potentially problematic nation states.

Lots of nations are trying their best not to piss off Russia right now. I mean, at least Ukraine is still getting those MiGs, though, right? Maybe withholding medicine isn't something people should use as a diplomatic stick. Then again, as *cough* Lenin (?) once famously said, some people say I'm a dreamer.


(Maybe that was a different guy, shit, it's hard to remember now, but you can imagine how great that reference would have been. I can, anyway. I'm sure I'm not the only one...)

Agreed, we are on the same side in this.  I imagine "you're not the only one",  Yoko Ono's friend John might be who you are thinking of.   

While Bangladesh and a host of other countries can certainly be accused and indeed charged with 'wrong think', withholding vaccines as 'revenge' not only hurts everyone, but in itself an act of devoid of humanity.

This sort of 'revenge' diplomacy flies in the face of democratic and sovereign ideals. Do t give a nation a seat at the table only to dictate how they vote

Yeah... An absolute shit move.

Lets condemn russia's leader, not random people who aren't them.  Fuck.

The Russian Embassy UK acct posting propaganda https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1501913563073556498?s=20&t=BXUEJuRu9uTZnNDJH3Miiw

My favorite was when he said that Russia isn't planning on attacking any other country. Oh and also Russia didn't attack Ukraine.

My favorite was when he said that Russia isn't planning on attacking any other country. Oh and also Russia didn't attack Ukraine.

Ukraine doesn't exist, so how can he possibly have attacked it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/08/russia-public-opinion-ukraine-invasion/

Polling that indicates a slim majority of Russians support the invasion.  I know what you're thinking.  It's Kremlin propaganda.  But the article says this was done by an independent research agency in Russia and leaked to US based firm.  So it's possible that it's accurate.

46% firmly support
13% somewhat support
23% opposed
13% no opinion
6% on the fence

It doesn't surprise me. When your govt wants you to believe in a war effort lots of people believe. We're no different.

Yeah... Pepperidge Farm remembers.

https://twitter.com/anyaparampil/status/1501665046769897479?s=20&t=ueSw7T_jKdHXPvigXhjdLA

Florida @RepMariaSalazar says she supports a No Fly Zone in Ukraine even though she doesn’t “know what it would mean” before adding “freedom is not free”

When asked if the US should shoot down Russian planes she says “of course!”

FLORIDA WOMAN!

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/case-for-no-fly-zone-ukraine-russia-offensive-defensive-bombing-civiliians-airpower-nato-human-rights-violation-war-invasion-11646837093

By

Joe Lieberman

The Case for a No-Fly Zone in Ukraine
It would be an act of defense against Russian aggression, an exercise in the ‘responsibility to protect.’

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s refusal to give Ukraine no-fly protection from the continuing, indiscriminate and inhumane Russian attacks from the air is strategically weak and morally wrong.

The weapons the U.S. and its allies have sent are helping the Ukrainians defend themselves from some of the Russian attacks, but the aerial bombardment of civilians continues without risk or cost to the aggressors. We cannot stand back and allow this mass murder from the air to continue.

CONNECTICUT MAN!


Why are they afraid to push for a declaration of war? This is what they want. They should make the case. 

Michael McFaul, former US Ambassador to Russia, on Colbert regarding how a no-fly zone is a straight up declaration of war.

Start at 4:00 mark.

Excerpt:
"A NO-FLY ZONE IS A EUPHEMISM FOR A DECLARATION OF WAR.
THAT MEANS THAT AN AMERICAN PILOT SHOOT DOWN A RUSSIAN PILOT, AND THAT'S A DECLARATION OF WAR.
SO WE SHOULD JUST CALL IT THAT."



I agree, I really don't see how a no-fly zone ISN'T a declaration of war.

Yeah, it's not exactly a secret, but people only ever hear what they want to. A no-fly zone means we're going to war, we're just pussy-footing our way into it instead of being the badass world police we're stereotyped as. If we're going in, let's fuck some shit up. But first, let's decide for real where our red line is that we aren't going to negotiate about, and then let's actually hold that line.

To be clear, I don't think we should be going in yet. But with all the talk about a NFZ or just deciding to send troops in happening among the public, I think people need to realize, we're either getting into another gigantic and expensive war with a strong opening, doing it with a really really weak opening, or choosing to sit on the sidelines for however much longer. NFZ isn't a magic anti-death incantation where the planes just suddenly stop and bombs are no longer flying.

https://khn.org/news/article/big-pharma-reaction-russia-ukraine-war/

This article is so bizarre to me. It refers to the pharmaceutical industry as "big pharma" which is weird coming from an organization that claims to be a nonpartisan source of facts and analysis.

The article claims there is increasing criticism of pharmaceutical companies for not ceasing operations in Russia. Does anyone really think the Russian people shouldn't be able to get medicine? 

One guy does! A professor at Yale.

Pharmaceutical companies that say they must continue to manufacture drugs in Russia for humanitarian reasons are “being misguided at best, cynical in the medium case, and outright deplorably misleading and deceptive,” said Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, a professor at the Yale School of Management who is tracking which companies have curtailed operations in Russia. He noted that banks and technology companies also provide essential services.

“Russians are put in a tragic position of unearned suffering. If we continue to make life palatable for them, then we are continuing to support the regime,” Sonnenfeld said. “These drug companies will be seen as complicit with the most vicious operation on the planet. Instead of protecting life, they are going to be seen as destroying life. The goal here is to show that Putin is not in control of all sectors of the economy.”

How awful it is to make life palatable for someone with fucking cancer. I hate this guy!

Let the virtue signal wars begin

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/woolworths-makes-major-move-rebrands-products-to-make-political-stance/news-story/2bb3ce32ebe4cdd8c565565a6d5bc5a8

Woolworths has taken a stance on the Russian-Ukraine conflict by changing the name of some products so it no longer uses the Russian spelling.

The supermarket announced on Thursday its own brand of ‘Chicken Kiev’ and similarly named products in the Deli section would now be changed to ‘Chicken Kyiv’ to recognise the true name of the Ukrainian capital city.

After discussing the matter with the Australian Federation of Ukrainian Organisations, the major retailer understood it was a “small, but meaningful” change to stand in solidarity with Ukrainians living in Australia.

“Kyiv is the globally recognised name of the capital, so it’s only appropriate we reflect that in the labelling of the product,” a Woolworths spokesman said.

“The name change will be made immediately online, and gradually roll out to our own brand products and signage in-store in the coming weeks.”

Woolworths has changed the name of its 'Chicken Kiev' products so it no longer uses the Russian spelling.

Australian Federation of Ukrainian Organisations chairman Stefan Romaniw said the local action on the global issue showed respect for Australian-Ukrainians.

“Woolworths gets it — Ukraine is different to Russia. Ukraine, Ukraine has its own language, its own culture, its own history. That’s why using the Russian spelling for the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, in ‘Chicken Kiev’ has always offended Ukrainians,” he said.

“By changing the name of Chicken Kiev to Chicken Kyiv, a major Australian business has shown it stands with Ukraine in support of democracy, decency and peace.

“We hope other food providers can make the same change Woolworths has made. As Ukraine continues to suffer, we invite all Australian businesses to consider how they can be socially responsible and incorporate their values into their business practices.”

This hurts Putin.

It's inhumane and fucking monstrous to keep healthcare away from people. That shouldn't be a negotiating tactic.

It's inhumane and fucking monstrous to keep healthcare away from people. That shouldn't be a negotiating tactic.

You mean like those backward countries that don't have universal healthcare?

People are going nuts about Russia,  changing Chicken Kiev to Chicken Kyiv?  WTF.  This is getting rabid anti-russian stuff is getting ridiculous.

By all means condemn Putin, but don't beat up innocent Russians ot third parties.

Michael McFaul, former US Ambassador to Russia, on Colbert regarding how a no-fly zone is a straight up declaration of war.

Start at 4:00 mark.

Excerpt:
"A NO-FLY ZONE IS A EUPHEMISM FOR A DECLARATION OF WAR.
THAT MEANS THAT AN AMERICAN PILOT SHOOT DOWN A RUSSIAN PILOT, AND THAT'S A DECLARATION OF WAR.
SO WE SHOULD JUST CALL IT THAT."



I agree, I really don't see how a no-fly zone ISN'T a declaration of war.

He mentions the fact that Russians have excellent anti air weapons.  I've heard that mentioned elsewhere.  It makes me wonder why there's this push to get Ukraine jet fighters.  It really doesn't seem like the best bang for our buck.

It will make the jet fighter manufacturers very happy.

The Russian Embassy UK acct posting propaganda https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1501913563073556498?s=20&t=BXUEJuRu9uTZnNDJH3Miiw

Twitter shut it down. 

Sort of.  The idea was to get them Russian built mig 29s since that's what Ukrainian pilots know how to fly.  They would come from Poland and oh yeah if America could just replace those with f 16s then that'd be great.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-facebook-instagram-temporarily-allow-calls-violence-against-russians-2022-03-10/

March 10 (Reuters) - Meta Platforms (FB.O) will allow Facebook and Instagram users in some countries to call for violence against Russians and Russian soldiers in the context of the Ukraine invasion, according to internal emails seen by Reuters on Thursday, in a temporary change to its hate speech policy.

The social media company is also temporarily allowing some posts that call for death to Russian President Vladimir Putin or Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko in countries including Russia, Ukraine and Poland, according to internal emails to its content moderators.

"As a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine we have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules like violent speech such as 'death to the Russian invaders.' We still won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," a Meta spokesperson said in a statement.

The calls for the leaders' deaths will be allowed unless they contain other targets or have two indicators of credibility, such as the location or method, one email said, in a recent change to the company's rules on violence and incitement.

So weird.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/10/world/europe/russia-economy-ukraine.html

This is one of the smaller stories but really should be one of the bigger stories.  Putin is threatening nationalize the foreign companies operating inside of Russia.  This is interesting because it seems like an incredibly desperate move.  Just this threat makes Russia radioactive to any company that would think about investing in it.

https://twitter.com/anyaparampil/status/1501665046769897479?s=20&t=ueSw7T_jKdHXPvigXhjdLA

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Florida @RepMariaSalazar says she supports a No Fly Zone in Ukraine even though she doesn’t “know what it would mean” before adding “freedom is not free”

When asked if the US should shoot down Russian planes she says “of course!”

FLORIDA WOMAN!

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/case-for-no-fly-zone-ukraine-russia-offensive-defensive-bombing-civiliians-airpower-nato-human-rights-violation-war-invasion-11646837093

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By

Joe Lieberman

The Case for a No-Fly Zone in Ukraine
It would be an act of defense against Russian aggression, an exercise in the ‘responsibility to protect.’

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s refusal to give Ukraine no-fly protection from the continuing, indiscriminate and inhumane Russian attacks from the air is strategically weak and morally wrong.

The weapons the U.S. and its allies have sent are helping the Ukrainians defend themselves from some of the Russian attacks, but the aerial bombardment of civilians continues without risk or cost to the aggressors. We cannot stand back and allow this mass murder from the air to continue.

CONNECTICUT MAN!


Why are they afraid to push for a declaration of war? This is what they want. They should make the case.

This is a lie.  Russian planes are being shot out if the sky.  Maybe not at some high amount, but they are.  So its not "no risk".  Just "not high risk" (maybe?)
I mean, its mainly surface to surface missiles and artillary, as far as I know, thats doing the most damage.

Quote from: boydster on March 10, 2022, 03:08:53 PM

It's inhumane and fucking monstrous to keep healthcare away from people. That shouldn't be a negotiating tactic.

You mean like those backward countries that don't have universal healthcare?

People are going nuts about Russia,  changing Chicken Kiev to Chicken Kyiv?  WTF.  This is getting rabid anti-russian stuff is getting ridiculous.

By all means condemn Putin, but don't beat up innocent Russians ot third parties.

Agreed.  This is basically the cold war blueballs the world had, wanting to just get it over with.  Its spilling out everywhere now.  Decades of propoganda and hate all suddenly being ok to say in public.

I'd be shocked if Russia didn't come out of this unified against everyone else.