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« Reply #660 on: February 27, 2022, 12:17:48 PM »
I hope he gets the Julius Caesar special in a meeting with his closest advisers.
I don't expect he'll give them any chance.  They even have to sit about 30m away.

If they'd just take a corone test they could get up close!
They would just have to come 7 hours early and leave their own doctors behind.
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« Reply #661 on: February 27, 2022, 01:21:30 PM »
I hope he gets the Julius Caesar special in a meeting with his closest advisers.
I don't expect he'll give them any chance.  They even have to sit about 30m away.

If they'd just take a corone test they could get up close!
They won't get in the same building without a test.
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« Reply #662 on: February 27, 2022, 01:22:06 PM »
Pretty big blast that supposedly just happened:

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« Reply #663 on: February 27, 2022, 01:23:26 PM »
Lots of people on reddit are speculating it was a thermobaric detonation

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« Reply #664 on: February 27, 2022, 02:13:18 PM »
Lovely...From a whole day ago. Maybe since then it has been used.

Russian thermobaric "vacuum bombs" launcher seen by CNN team in Ukraine

A Russian thermobaric multiple rockets launcher has been spotted by CNN team south of Belgorod, Russia, near the Ukrainian border early Saturday afternoon.

The TOS-1 or TOS-1A Multiple Rocket Launcher seen by CNN is capable of launching rockets with thermobaric warheads.

There is no evidence that thermobaric weapons have been used in the conflict in Ukraine.

These types of weapons do not use conventional ammunition. Instead, they are filled with high-temperature, high-pressure explosive. They are sometimes called “vacuum bombs” because they suck in the oxygen from the surrounding air to generate a powerful explosion and a large pressure wave that can have enormous destructive effects.

Thermobaric weapons have been used in Chechnya, with horrifying consequences, according to Human Rights Watch. Their use has been condemned by number of non-governmental organizations.

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« Reply #665 on: February 27, 2022, 02:23:59 PM »
It's still sort of in confirmation-limbo, so don't read too much into it yet. Some people were saying it was an attack on an ammunition facility, or that it could have been a plant that makes ammonia products for fertilizers etc - sort of like that blast in Beirut a while back. But it could also have been a thermobaric weapon like their FOAB or those TOS bombs you mentioned, all of which they said there were going to have on standby. And I guess there's also the possibility that it isn't actually a video from just now in Ukraine.

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« Reply #666 on: February 27, 2022, 02:47:05 PM »
Don't worry everyone!  The United Nations has called for an emergency special session in the next 24 hours.

I'm sure this time they'll get that condemnation of Russia pushed through which will shame Russia into leaving Ukraine.

Problem solved.
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« Reply #667 on: February 27, 2022, 03:42:10 PM »
It's a bit long but worth reading in the current context. 

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1498056686548013062

Short version,  We have been at war for 8 years without realizing it.

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« Reply #668 on: February 27, 2022, 04:12:00 PM »
The Ukrainians are making good use of the Turkish TB2's,  War has changed seems like tanks are useless without air superiority.

https://twitter.com/search?q=TB2&src=recent_search_click

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=679362330162214&id=100037998992937&m_entstream_source=permalink

Google Bayraktar TB2 for more details.
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« Reply #669 on: February 27, 2022, 04:15:23 PM »
Well to be fair tanks work a lot better when they have fuel.
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« Reply #670 on: February 27, 2022, 04:57:34 PM »


https://twitter.com/deesnider/status/1497992398491701248?s=20&t=y_sYDLpVC-MHdBFGWpBe9w
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People are asking me why I endorsed the use of "We're Not Gonna Take It" for the Ukrainian people and did not for the anti-maskers. Well, one use is for a righteous battle against oppression; the other is a infantile feet stomping against an inconvenience.

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« Reply #671 on: February 27, 2022, 05:45:37 PM »
This whole situation makes me think of Afghanistan.

Afghanistan folded faster than it took for us to drive to the airport. Ukraine is doing a modern interpretation of the movie 300.

What is it that makes Ukrainians fight so hard while Afghanistan gave in so quick?

Maybe it's not a fair comparison.
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« Reply #672 on: February 27, 2022, 05:55:59 PM »
This whole situation makes me think of Afghanistan.

Afghanistan folded faster than it took for us to drive to the airport. Ukraine is doing a modern interpretation of the movie 300.

What is it that makes Ukrainians fight so hard while Afghanistan gave in so quick?

Maybe it's not a fair comparison.

The difference is the US spends about a thousand times more on their military than Russia does, and went into Afghanistan with state of the art equipment and massive logistics support. Not to mention complete and total air superiority.

Russia is rolling into Ukraine with tanks made 40 years ago and apparently an attack plan written by Putin on napkins the night before. Plus many of the Russian troops are sabotaging their own equipment because they never wanted to go in the first place.

Ukraine also has a ton of modern equipment that Afghanistan did not have access to. 

I have to admit I was expecting things to go much worse for Ukraine. Nice to see them holding their own.

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« Reply #673 on: February 27, 2022, 06:06:47 PM »
Oh. I meant when the taliban retook it. But comparing this to our invasion of Afghanistan is also an interesting question.
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« Reply #674 on: February 27, 2022, 06:23:51 PM »


On Moscow underground.

Took me a second to see it, and then it was one of those things that made me tear up.
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« Reply #675 on: February 27, 2022, 07:55:42 PM »
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7637821/belarus-to-renounce-non-nuclear-status/?cs=14232
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Areferendum in Belarus has approved a new constitution ditching the country's non-nuclear status as the former Soviet republic becomes a launchpad for Russian troops invading Ukraine, Russian news agencies say.

The agencies cited the Belarus central elections commission as saying 65.2 per cent of those who took part voted in favour.

The result came as little surprise, given the tightly controlled rule of President Alexander Lukashenko.

The new constitution could see nuclear weapons on Belarusian soil for the first time since the country gave them up after the fall of the Soviet Union.

It raises the stakes at a time when Lukashenko has fallen behind Russian President Vladimir Putin's military assault on Ukraine after earlier playing an intermediary role between the two neighbours.

The West has already said it will not recognise the results of the referendum, which is taking place against the background of a sweeping crackdown on domestic opponents of the government.

According to human rights activists, as of Sunday, there were more than a thousand political prisoners in Belarus.

The referendum sparked anti-war protests in several cities. At least 290 people were detained, rights activists said.

Looks like Russia already took Belarus by stealth lol

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« Reply #676 on: February 27, 2022, 09:44:43 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/27/russia-ukraine-war-kyiv-news/

Whoa!  Russia has decided to call in the big guns, Belarus.

Your move Zelensky.
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« Reply #678 on: February 27, 2022, 10:01:13 PM »
This whole situation makes me think of Afghanistan.

Afghanistan folded faster than it took for us to drive to the airport. Ukraine is doing a modern interpretation of the movie 300.

What is it that makes Ukrainians fight so hard while Afghanistan gave in so quick?

Maybe it's not a fair comparison.
They wanted the Taliban back.  At least alot of people did.
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« Reply #679 on: February 28, 2022, 01:22:46 AM »
The afhhans apraently squandered the money and never bothered getting trained up.
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The BS defense contractors never bothered to do the actual work of setting up infrastrcuture and military training due to laziness or fear sleeper agents.

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« Reply #680 on: February 28, 2022, 02:23:17 AM »
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« Reply #681 on: February 28, 2022, 04:03:36 AM »
For anyone wondering why Russia isn't deploying it's latest tanks.....

https://twitter.com/jake_northwest/status/1497941214858907650

They got stuck in the Ukrainian mud.

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« Reply #682 on: February 28, 2022, 04:23:42 AM »
For anyone wondering why Russia isn't deploying it's latest tanks.....

https://twitter.com/jake_northwest/status/1497941214858907650

They got stuck in the Ukrainian mud.
Lets not get too carried away with this stuff.  Russia has a lot of tanks and they will just keep bringing them in - they will start getting their shit together - or just sling so much stuff in the country it won't matter.

The question is, to what end?  How can they possibly keep control?  Any puppet leader will be hanging from the lampposts the minute they leave.

Also, keep an eye on places like Chechnya  - I'm sure there are plenty in that country just waiting for their overlords to be distracted and weak.

Kadyrov is probably already concerned that sanctions might limit is access to new Prada lines
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« Reply #683 on: February 28, 2022, 05:30:09 AM »
For anyone wondering why Russia isn't deploying it's latest tanks.....

https://twitter.com/jake_northwest/status/1497941214858907650

They got stuck in the Ukrainian mud.
Lets not get too carried away with this stuff.  Russia has a lot of tanks and they will just keep bringing them in - they will start getting their shit together - or just sling so much stuff in the country it won't matter.

The question is, to what end?  How can they possibly keep control?  Any puppet leader will be hanging from the lampposts the minute they leave.

Also, keep an eye on places like Chechnya  - I'm sure there are plenty in that country just waiting for their overlords to be distracted and weak.

Kadyrov is probably already concerned that sanctions might limit is access to new Prada lines

This is my read of the situation at this point.

Putin can't back down because he needs to get to a conclusion where he isn't completely humiliated.

Russia does have a lot of flexibility to recalibrate their plans into something, maybe more effective.

As long as Ukrainian morale is as high as it is Russian's only military option is escalating brutality.

I know that the US and EU have repeatedly said they're not getting involved.  But if Russia resorts to massacring Ukrainians or, God forbid, nuclear weapons, I think our position on the matter might change.
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« Reply #684 on: February 28, 2022, 06:51:02 AM »
It's a bit long but worth reading in the current context. 

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1498056686548013062

Short version,  We have been at war for 8 years without realizing it.

According to the guy getting interviewed, there has been war for 8 years. He says Russia is there to liberate Ukraine from NATO occupation and horrible war crimes.

https://battleplan.news/watch?id=621be91480e6a52c84ad443d
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« Reply #685 on: February 28, 2022, 06:57:57 AM »
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/western-media-coverage-ukraine-russia-invasion-criticism
They have a point.  Though the copious twitter in that article made it too annoying to read.

Copious Twitter is a perfect description.

Have we ever had war coverage that depended on Twitter so much?  Journalists and pundits are completely twitterfied now, thanks to the corone. Likes and retweets are more important than facts. It's an outrage machine.
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« Reply #686 on: February 28, 2022, 06:58:14 AM »
stuck in the mud?
wasn't that germanys in WWII?

aren't there roads in ukraine?

what was the phrase someone already previously mentioned about muddy season?

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« Reply #687 on: February 28, 2022, 07:09:29 AM »
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/western-media-coverage-ukraine-russia-invasion-criticism
They have a point.  Though the copious twitter in that article made it too annoying to read.

Copious Twitter is a perfect description.

Have we ever had war coverage that depended on Twitter so much?  Journalists and pundits are completely twitterfied now, thanks to the corone. Likes and retweets are more important than facts. It's an outrage machine.

I sort of like twitter for war coverage.  I just really dislike how it's very difficult to verify a tweet.  I'm not even talking about malicious misinformation.  Just careless mistakes that people make when they post something.
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« Reply #688 on: February 28, 2022, 08:46:56 AM »
A Russian news outlet, RIA Novosti, released a story early, seemingly by accident, claiming victory and saying Ukraine was part of Russia again. Long quote block ahead, be advised, but my browser wasn't auto-translating this and I'm not sure if anyone else might run into the same issue so I just translated all the blocks of text in Google and figured I'd share since the work had already been done.

Context... I'm sure, just like in western media, they have lots of stories prewritten for current events. But that's not what stands out to me. What stands out is the very lofty, grandiose language about how Russia is rising back up to greatness while also welcoming the fall of western civilization.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html
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[Translated with Google Translate] A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but this is worth talking about separately a little later. Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.

Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian question to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia - for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost for the West to put pressure on us, is only the second most important among them.

The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliation - when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then was forced to come to terms with the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon their history, agreeing with the insane versions that "only Ukraine is the real Russia," or to gnash one's teeth helplessly, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine." Returning Ukraine, that is, turning it back to Russia, would be more and more difficult with every decade - recoding, de-Russification of Russians and inciting Ukrainian Little Russians against Russians would gain momentum. And in the event of the consolidation of the full geopolitical and military control of the West over Ukraine, its return to Russia would become completely impossible - it would have to fight for it with the Atlantic bloc.

Now this problem is gone - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Within what boundaries, in what form will the alliance with Russia be consolidated (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end. And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole. These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe. And he is loudly indignant at this, although in the depths of his soul he must admit to himself that it could not be otherwise.

Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kyiv? That the Russians will forever be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany, which took place according to the good Russian (albeit not very smart) will. To swipe after that also on Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools. More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it did not work should have been clear twenty years ago. And already fifteen years ago, after Putin's Munich speech, even the deaf could hear - Russia is returning.

Now the West is trying to punish Russia for the fact that it returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing the expansion of the western space to the east. Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importance to us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West. No amount of Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. There will be losses from the sublimation of confrontation on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, an increase in the degree of confrontation incurs huge costs - and the main ones are not at all economic. Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy - the German project of European integration does not make strategic sense while maintaining the Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. Yes, and it cannot be successful, because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But Europe needs autonomy for another reason as well — in case the States go into self-isolation (as a result of growing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focus on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.

But the confrontation with Russia, into which the Anglo-Saxons are dragging Europe, deprives the Europeans of even the chance of independence, not to mention the fact that they are trying to force a break with China in the same way on Europe. If now the Atlanticists are happy that the "Russian threat" will unite the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot fail to understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term. That is why independent-minded Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new iron curtain on their eastern borders - realizing that it will turn into a corral for Europe. Whose century (more precisely, half a millennium) of global leadership is over in any case - but various options for its future are still possible. Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization. A multipolar world has finally become a reality - the operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia's return of its historical space and its place in the world.

China and India, Latin America and Africa, the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.

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« Reply #689 on: February 28, 2022, 09:07:45 AM »
I think we can work with this.  If we all just agree to never tell the Russian people that Putin didn't succeed in this invasion then maybe he can withdraw while saving face.

We'll just have to make a parallel series of stories on our news networks to deliver to Russia where they won this war easily.
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