War

This is not about conspiracy and illuminatti, this is about facts, And the fact is that Lenin and Trotsky were funded by German, Swiss and English millionaires. Trotsky and Lenin spent a lot of time in Western Europe before the 1917 revolution. What were they doing in Europe, drinking coffee? Yes but also raising funds for the revolution, of course you never learned this in American schools.

Czar Nicolas the Second JJA was a monarch so he ruled Russia like a monarchy, sure he killed protestors, but compared to mass murders of Lenin and Stalin, Nicholas was a a saint. As a matter of fact Nichols was considered weak and timid Czar by most Russian historians, previous monarchs before him were a lot more ruthless. So you really have no clue what you are talking about,  you never lived or went to Russia and you know nothing.

Oh fuck.  So much for peacekeeping.

It doesn't look like they're interested in half. They appear to be pressing in on all sides.

Undefendable.
The water will be the line.
Then the whole south western front is covered from georgia to syria and turkey as "allies".

Then all thats nato is north west border estonia lagvia finland bellarus.

Again some are talking does he want global hitler style or just to restore ussr imperialism to its past glory days.


Its like all this antivax nonsense - if they dont want vax, fuck'm they domt get hospital.
Why fight those who want to not be here?
Can nato let the donesk and such who want to cecede and thats the end?
Or do they bend to the ukraine leaders power wishes and assist in holding the line?
Is this so zelensky can say alllll this is MINE!
Or say sorry buddy, guess youre SOL and redraw some borders.

Putin is now saying he simply aims to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine, not to occupy it and "impose anything on anyone by force". That's kind of a weird thing to say because military action is typically seen as "force". Very weird move. Does Putin actually think he can hold this? Or does he just trash the place, take Donbass and leave?

Quote from: Crouton on February 23, 2022, 09:50:38 PM

It doesn't look like they're interested in half. They appear to be pressing in on all sides.

Undefendable.
The water will be the line.
Then the whole south western front is covered from georgia to syria and turkey as "allies".

Then all thats nato is north west border estonia lagvia finland bellarus.

Belarus is really far from being NATO and Georgia is really far from being a Russia ally.

Well guys, I guess that's it, I'm never connecting again, too much electricity use. Turning on a light will probably cost 100 euros from now on once the sanctions take effect.

Putin is now saying he simply aims to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine, not to occupy it and "impose anything on anyone by force". That's kind of a weird thing to say because military action is typically seen as "force". Very weird move. Does Putin actually think he can hold this? Or does he just trash the place, take Donbass and leave?

gas lighting for his propaganda maachine

Quote from: Themightykabool on February 23, 2022, 10:59:04 PM

Quote from: Crouton on February 23, 2022, 09:50:38 PM

It doesn't look like they're interested in half. They appear to be pressing in on all sides.

Undefendable.
The water will be the line.
Then the whole south western front is covered from georgia to syria and turkey as "allies".

Then all thats nato is north west border estonia lagvia finland bellarus.

Belarus is really far from being NATO and Georgia is really far from being a Russia ally.

who's part of nato? - i generalized.

i thought he already took over georiga?

Well guys, I guess that's it, I'm never connecting again, too much electricity use. Turning on a light will probably cost 100 euros from now on once the sanctions take effect.

I'm sure the economic war you've been drafted into is far more preferable to an actual war.

Also. Remember the laws of supplies and demand.  In a short order of time there'll be a lot less demand.  Because corpses don't need gas.

Don't look at me that way.  I'm trying to cheer you up.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 23, 2022, 11:34:42 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on February 23, 2022, 10:59:04 PM

Quote from: Crouton on February 23, 2022, 09:50:38 PM

It doesn't look like they're interested in half. They appear to be pressing in on all sides.

Undefendable.
The water will be the line.
Then the whole south western front is covered from georgia to syria and turkey as "allies".

Then all thats nato is north west border estonia lagvia finland bellarus.

Belarus is really far from being NATO and Georgia is really far from being a Russia ally.

who's part of nato? - i generalized.

i thought he already took over georiga?

He didn't take over Georgia. Georgia had a Crimea like situation, separatists in regions called Abkhazia and South Ossetia who have ethnic and language differences wanted to be separate and were in conflict with Georgia ever since the partition of the USSR. Russia supported them initially (back in 1992) but eventually there was a ceasefire etc, like Donbass. But then Georgia tried to enter NATO in 2008 so he invaded and succeeded in making Abkhazia and South Ossetia de facto independent. Probably he wants to do the same in Donbass, but Ukraine, it's far riskier.

Belarus is one of Russia's closest allies. It's moved even closer to Russia after Lukashenko's place became shaky.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 23, 2022, 11:49:11 PM

Well guys, I guess that's it, I'm never connecting again, too much electricity use. Turning on a light will probably cost 100 euros from now on once the sanctions take effect.

I'm sure the economic war you've been drafted into is far more preferable to an actual war.

Yes, unless I end up being drafted into an actual war eventually.

Putin is now saying he simply aims to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine, not to occupy it and "impose anything on anyone by force". That's kind of a weird thing to say because military action is typically seen as "force". Very weird move. Does Putin actually think he can hold this? Or does he just trash the place, take Donbass and leave?

All sounds very Putin to me.  What would you expect him to say?

supply-demand?
 - snow piercer 2013 bald guy body counter scene after the eggs.
 - thanos?

Even better.  The military will cover all of your heating and fuel needs.

Even better.  The military will cover all of your heating and fuel needs.

Imagine thinking our military is competent enough for that.

Quote from: Themightykabool on February 23, 2022, 11:57:01 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 23, 2022, 11:34:42 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on February 23, 2022, 10:59:04 PM

Quote from: Crouton on February 23, 2022, 09:50:38 PM

It doesn't look like they're interested in half. They appear to be pressing in on all sides.

Undefendable.
The water will be the line.
Then the whole south western front is covered from georgia to syria and turkey as "allies".

Then all thats nato is north west border estonia lagvia finland bellarus.

Belarus is really far from being NATO and Georgia is really far from being a Russia ally.

who's part of nato? - i generalized.

i thought he already took over georiga?

He didn't take over Georgia. Georgia had a Crimea like situation, separatists in regions called Abkhazia and South Ossetia who have ethnic and language differences wanted to be separate and were in conflict with Georgia ever since the partition of the USSR. Russia supported them initially (back in 1992) but eventually there was a ceasefire etc, like Donbass. But then Georgia tried to enter NATO in 2008 so he invaded and succeeded in making Abkhazia and South Ossetia de facto independent. Probably he wants to do the same in Donbass, but Ukraine, it's far riskier.

Belarus is one of Russia's closest allies. It's moved even closer to Russia after Lukashenko's place became shaky.

ohooo really
interesting.
that's a big open border with no really good terrain chokes.

if belarus plays obstructionist and requiring any nato'ing to route around it i could see some supply chain disruption.
forces north-south redistirbution to go allll the way around belarus if needed.
fruther improves defending the north west border to a smaller size.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 24, 2022, 12:18:36 AM

Quote from: Themightykabool on February 23, 2022, 11:57:01 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 23, 2022, 11:34:42 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on February 23, 2022, 10:59:04 PM

Quote from: Crouton on February 23, 2022, 09:50:38 PM

It doesn't look like they're interested in half. They appear to be pressing in on all sides.

Undefendable.
The water will be the line.
Then the whole south western front is covered from georgia to syria and turkey as "allies".

Then all thats nato is north west border estonia lagvia finland bellarus.

Belarus is really far from being NATO and Georgia is really far from being a Russia ally.

who's part of nato? - i generalized.

i thought he already took over georiga?

He didn't take over Georgia. Georgia had a Crimea like situation, separatists in regions called Abkhazia and South Ossetia who have ethnic and language differences wanted to be separate and were in conflict with Georgia ever since the partition of the USSR. Russia supported them initially (back in 1992) but eventually there was a ceasefire etc, like Donbass. But then Georgia tried to enter NATO in 2008 so he invaded and succeeded in making Abkhazia and South Ossetia de facto independent. Probably he wants to do the same in Donbass, but Ukraine, it's far riskier.

Belarus is one of Russia's closest allies. It's moved even closer to Russia after Lukashenko's place became shaky.

ohooo really
interesting.
that's a big open border with no really good terrain chokes.

if belarus plays obstructionist and requiring any nato'ing to route around it i could see some supply chain disruption.
forces north-south redistirbution to go allll the way around belarus if needed.
fruther improves defending the north west border to a smaller size.

Belarus is currently letting Russian troops invade Ukraine through its territory. Lukashenko wants to play good boy.

hooooo shit
that makes life tough for nato.

Tucker Carlson now shilling for Putin placing the blame on the Biden administration

I wonder if any repugs will be changing their rhetoric now that Trump has shown his hand

My brother is on the run.  In a minibus to Moldova with his family.   Hopefully be out in a few hours, though the roads are obviously busy. 

Thank fuck.

Putin is unhinged.  Terrifying.

Lukashenko wants Minsk 3. Let's hope Russia and Ukraine agree.

Putin isn't going to sign anything until he's kicked the shit of ukraine

My brother is on the run.  In a minibus to Moldova with his family.   Hopefully be out in a few hours, though the roads are obviously busy. 

Thank fuck.

Putin is unhinged.  Terrifying.

Shit.  Hope they’re OK.

I ain't saying anything! Because Nasa shills in here might grass me to the so called authorities, and they might take me to the death camps at gun point! I don't trust this site!

But I always did like eastern european pussy, so that should give you a clue where I stand on all this!

I'm always where Love is, that's why I'm immortal!

I feel sorry for the beautiful Ukrainian women who have to go through all this.

My biggest fear is Putin will basically say "let me take over anything or everyone gets nuked." In a "I'd rather die than lose".

Putin isn't going to sign anything until he's kicked the shit of ukraine

Probably, but at least his ally expressed interest in that.

He's not an ally, he's a client and will read out whatever he's told.  His country is basically just Russia now anyway

He's not an ally, he's a client and will read out whatever he's told.  His country is basically just Russia now anyway

Lukashenko wasn't like that a few years ago. He needs to play good boi so that Putin protects him but he also wants to do his own thing and not get merked by his own people. Of course he plays second fiddle but what he says does count for something.

But it's not like Putin currently sees any real resistance so he won't just stop...

My brother is on the run.  In a minibus to Moldova with his family.   Hopefully be out in a few hours, though the roads are obviously busy. 

Thank fuck.

Putin is unhinged.  Terrifying.

Oh man that sucks.
Hoping for the best.