War

Quote from: JJA on February 22, 2022, 11:18:42 AM

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Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 21, 2022, 11:51:55 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 21, 2022, 10:45:55 AM

Now Putin recognized the separatist regions.

What does it mean? I see people saying this is a violation of international law. That he is blaming Ukraine for the violence in Donbas.

It means he can send in troops according to him because Donetsk and Luhansk asked him.

Do you agree he has the right to send in troops now that he has done it?

Or do you agree he has just invaded Ukraine, despite all the reassurances it would never happen?

Never? I don't think anyone thinks it could never happen, I mean it's happened once already and they've been at war ever since lol

Although I don't think he'd ever try to annex anything beyond Donbass, that would be really really stupid. That's outside the realm of possibilities any time soon. Unless someone does something really stupid and egregious but I think even Zelensky is smarter than that. Shit will start going down if anyone crosses the line of no contact.

Wow.  So now that he went and invaded, like you said he wasn't going to, you think he will just stop there unless Ukrane does something stupid like fight back.  No way he will do anything more, and if he does, it will be because he was provoked.

How dare the defend themselves.

Nothing is Putins fault, eh?  Poor Putin, forced to keep invading other countries.

Uh, wait. You know where Russians are right now has already been occupied by Russian separatists since 2014, right? Did you not wonder why there was basically no military reaction? Or why Ukraine appears to be shelling Ukraine and also being shelled by Ukraine? I hope they stay there. Violating the no contact line is what I'm worried about and I think maybe he does want that but that depends on how things will go. Also please stop misspelling every country's name lol

You mean have I noticed Russians without insignias going over the border with equipment and shelling the Ukraine from within it's own borders?

Why yes I did.  Totally nothing to do with Putin I'm sure, they did it all on their own.

So all you are worried about, other than spelling errors is that the Ukraine don't respond to their country being invaded by Putin.  Because that will make that peace loving man have to start a full scale invasion in retaliation.

Ukraine, stop hitting yourself!

This is exactly the reaction from you that was predicted. Claiming Putin would never dare invade and when he does, excusing it all.  Exactly what you will do when he escalates and invades further.  Might as well be taking your paycheck directly from those government run Russian propaganda sites you like to link.

The double standard that U.S. and E.U is showing in this situation is pathetic. They had no problem with dividing Yugoslavia into many small nations, they had no problem with bombing Belgrade when Slobadan Milosovic wanted to keep the country together but now they have a big problem with Putin doing this to Ukraine. News flash assholes Putin is doing same thing to Ukraine that Clinton did to Yugoslavia, I guess Karma is a bitch.

JJA why do you call Putin a dictator, he was demcratically elected by Russian people. On the other hand Biden wasn't. Biden came to power as a result of leftist coup, true dictator is Biden.

JJA why do you call Putin a dictator, he was demcratically elected by Russian people. On the other hand Biden wasn't. Biden came to power as a result of leftist coup, true dictator is Biden.

Your grasp on reality is far too tenuous to be able to have a rational debate about current events.

It's "Ukraine," not "the Ukraine." We should probably get the name of the place we're talking about right.

Quote from: JJA on February 22, 2022, 11:18:42 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2022, 09:23:29 AM

Quote from: JJA on February 22, 2022, 08:31:40 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2022, 02:45:12 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 21, 2022, 11:51:55 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 21, 2022, 10:45:55 AM

Now Putin recognized the separatist regions.

What does it mean? I see people saying this is a violation of international law. That he is blaming Ukraine for the violence in Donbas.

It means he can send in troops according to him because Donetsk and Luhansk asked him.

Do you agree he has the right to send in troops now that he has done it?

Or do you agree he has just invaded Ukraine, despite all the reassurances it would never happen?

Never? I don't think anyone thinks it could never happen, I mean it's happened once already and they've been at war ever since lol

Although I don't think he'd ever try to annex anything beyond Donbass, that would be really really stupid. That's outside the realm of possibilities any time soon. Unless someone does something really stupid and egregious but I think even Zelensky is smarter than that. Shit will start going down if anyone crosses the line of no contact.

Wow.  So now that he went and invaded, like you said he wasn't going to, you think he will just stop there unless Ukrane does something stupid like fight back.  No way he will do anything more, and if he does, it will be because he was provoked.

How dare the defend themselves.

Nothing is Putins fault, eh?  Poor Putin, forced to keep invading other countries.

Uh, wait. You know where Russians are right now has already been occupied by Russian separatists since 2014, right? Did you not wonder why there was basically no military reaction? Or why Ukraine appears to be shelling Ukraine and also being shelled by Ukraine? I hope they stay there. Violating the no contact line is what I'm worried about and I think maybe he does want that but that depends on how things will go. Also please stop misspelling every country's name lol

Keep in mind that the area which Putin just declared to be independent are quite a bit bigger than what they were occupying previously.

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2022, 12:04:51 PM

Quote from: JJA on February 22, 2022, 11:18:42 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2022, 09:23:29 AM

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Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2022, 02:45:12 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 21, 2022, 11:51:55 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 21, 2022, 10:45:55 AM

Now Putin recognized the separatist regions.

What does it mean? I see people saying this is a violation of international law. That he is blaming Ukraine for the violence in Donbas.

It means he can send in troops according to him because Donetsk and Luhansk asked him.

Do you agree he has the right to send in troops now that he has done it?

Or do you agree he has just invaded Ukraine, despite all the reassurances it would never happen?

Never? I don't think anyone thinks it could never happen, I mean it's happened once already and they've been at war ever since lol

Although I don't think he'd ever try to annex anything beyond Donbass, that would be really really stupid. That's outside the realm of possibilities any time soon. Unless someone does something really stupid and egregious but I think even Zelensky is smarter than that. Shit will start going down if anyone crosses the line of no contact.

Wow.  So now that he went and invaded, like you said he wasn't going to, you think he will just stop there unless Ukrane does something stupid like fight back.  No way he will do anything more, and if he does, it will be because he was provoked.

How dare the defend themselves.

Nothing is Putins fault, eh?  Poor Putin, forced to keep invading other countries.

Uh, wait. You know where Russians are right now has already been occupied by Russian separatists since 2014, right? Did you not wonder why there was basically no military reaction? Or why Ukraine appears to be shelling Ukraine and also being shelled by Ukraine? I hope they stay there. Violating the no contact line is what I'm worried about and I think maybe he does want that but that depends on how things will go. Also please stop misspelling every country's name lol

You mean have I noticed Russians without insignias going over the border with equipment and shelling the Ukraine from within it's own borders?

Why yes I did.  Totally nothing to do with Putin I'm sure, they did it all on their own.

So all you are worried about, other than spelling errors is that the Ukraine don't respond to their country being invaded by Putin.  Because that will make that peace loving man have to start a full scale invasion in retaliation.

Ukraine, stop hitting yourself!

This is exactly the reaction from you that was predicted. Claiming Putin would never dare invade and when he does, excusing it all.  Exactly what you will do when he escalates and invades further.  Might as well be taking your paycheck directly from those government run Russian propaganda sites you like to link.

Pez sits on the fence on everything. Too afraid to fully 'take a side'. Always excusing every action as some kind of 'reaction' to something else

Every time someone says anything, he will always find a way to say something about it that's not quite right. It's a form of elitism. No one is correct on anything but his weird left field views

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2022, 12:04:51 PM

Quote from: JJA on February 22, 2022, 11:18:42 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2022, 09:23:29 AM

Quote from: JJA on February 22, 2022, 08:31:40 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2022, 02:45:12 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 21, 2022, 11:51:55 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 21, 2022, 10:45:55 AM

Now Putin recognized the separatist regions.

What does it mean? I see people saying this is a violation of international law. That he is blaming Ukraine for the violence in Donbas.

It means he can send in troops according to him because Donetsk and Luhansk asked him.

Do you agree he has the right to send in troops now that he has done it?

Or do you agree he has just invaded Ukraine, despite all the reassurances it would never happen?

Never? I don't think anyone thinks it could never happen, I mean it's happened once already and they've been at war ever since lol

Although I don't think he'd ever try to annex anything beyond Donbass, that would be really really stupid. That's outside the realm of possibilities any time soon. Unless someone does something really stupid and egregious but I think even Zelensky is smarter than that. Shit will start going down if anyone crosses the line of no contact.

Wow.  So now that he went and invaded, like you said he wasn't going to, you think he will just stop there unless Ukrane does something stupid like fight back.  No way he will do anything more, and if he does, it will be because he was provoked.

How dare the defend themselves.

Nothing is Putins fault, eh?  Poor Putin, forced to keep invading other countries.

Uh, wait. You know where Russians are right now has already been occupied by Russian separatists since 2014, right? Did you not wonder why there was basically no military reaction? Or why Ukraine appears to be shelling Ukraine and also being shelled by Ukraine? I hope they stay there. Violating the no contact line is what I'm worried about and I think maybe he does want that but that depends on how things will go. Also please stop misspelling every country's name lol

Keep in mind that the area which Putin just declared to be independent are quite a bit bigger than what they were occupying previously.

I don't think that's very clear yet. At least a while ago what I was reading on the guardian or CNN or wherever it was said that they didn't know yet if he meant he recognized these areas or the entire Donetsk and Luhansk districts.

Quote from: JJA on February 22, 2022, 12:25:13 PM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2022, 12:04:51 PM

Quote from: JJA on February 22, 2022, 11:18:42 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2022, 09:23:29 AM

Quote from: JJA on February 22, 2022, 08:31:40 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 22, 2022, 02:45:12 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 21, 2022, 11:51:55 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on February 21, 2022, 10:45:55 AM

Now Putin recognized the separatist regions.

What does it mean? I see people saying this is a violation of international law. That he is blaming Ukraine for the violence in Donbas.

It means he can send in troops according to him because Donetsk and Luhansk asked him.

Do you agree he has the right to send in troops now that he has done it?

Or do you agree he has just invaded Ukraine, despite all the reassurances it would never happen?

Never? I don't think anyone thinks it could never happen, I mean it's happened once already and they've been at war ever since lol

Although I don't think he'd ever try to annex anything beyond Donbass, that would be really really stupid. That's outside the realm of possibilities any time soon. Unless someone does something really stupid and egregious but I think even Zelensky is smarter than that. Shit will start going down if anyone crosses the line of no contact.

Wow.  So now that he went and invaded, like you said he wasn't going to, you think he will just stop there unless Ukrane does something stupid like fight back.  No way he will do anything more, and if he does, it will be because he was provoked.

How dare the defend themselves.

Nothing is Putins fault, eh?  Poor Putin, forced to keep invading other countries.

Uh, wait. You know where Russians are right now has already been occupied by Russian separatists since 2014, right? Did you not wonder why there was basically no military reaction? Or why Ukraine appears to be shelling Ukraine and also being shelled by Ukraine? I hope they stay there. Violating the no contact line is what I'm worried about and I think maybe he does want that but that depends on how things will go. Also please stop misspelling every country's name lol

You mean have I noticed Russians without insignias going over the border with equipment and shelling the Ukraine from within it's own borders?

Why yes I did.  Totally nothing to do with Putin I'm sure, they did it all on their own.

So all you are worried about, other than spelling errors is that the Ukraine don't respond to their country being invaded by Putin.  Because that will make that peace loving man have to start a full scale invasion in retaliation.

Ukraine, stop hitting yourself!

This is exactly the reaction from you that was predicted. Claiming Putin would never dare invade and when he does, excusing it all.  Exactly what you will do when he escalates and invades further.  Might as well be taking your paycheck directly from those government run Russian propaganda sites you like to link.

Pez sits on the fence on everything. Too afraid to fully 'take a side'. Always excusing every action as some kind of 'reaction' to something else

Every time someone says anything, he will always find a way to say something about it that's not quite right. It's a form of elitism. No one is correct on anything but his weird left field views

You guys lost a war to a bunch of literal flightless birds, can you blame anyone for being worried to take your side?

If the nato was smart
Theres a suspicion china will back or secretly support russian.
The russian excuse of recognizing soverty split of donesk and lansk can backfire if nato openly suppprts taiwan.

That will either cause china to break russian support...




Or jump us into wwiii faster.

It's "Ukraine," not "the Ukraine." We should probably get the name of the place we're talking about right.

I think about this sometimes and wonder why people even started saying The Ukraine, and the only reason I can think of is that we say The United States and The United Kingdom and Ukraine starts with a U and it just seems like it should have a The in front of it.

THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OTHER REASON.

Quote from: boydster on February 22, 2022, 01:12:42 PM

It's "Ukraine," not "the Ukraine." We should probably get the name of the place we're talking about right.

I think about this sometimes and wonder why people even started saying The Ukraine, and the only reason I can think of is that we say The United States and The United Kingdom and Ukraine starts with a U and it just seems like it should have a The in front of it.

THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OTHER REASON.

For me it's simply that I don't always remember which countries use 'the' and which don't.  Just by looking at a name you can't tell, and it's harder when it switches from one to the other.  Also habit as you mentioned for countries that start with U.

I certainly try to call countries and people by the name they pick, but sometimes you forget.  Doing it intentionally is pretty rude and bad.

The JJA.

It's PIXIES, not The PIXIES.

You take out the "the".  It's cleaner that way.

No one calls it "the facebook".

The American media only started making a big deal about it after the Crimea thing I think, at least as far as I can remember.

It was a sort of confusing change in terminology.  It was like referring to The Rocky Mountains since I could remember but suddenly we have to call it just "Rocky Mountains" which sounds kind of illiterate.

We should just add The to everything.  The Germany.  The Japan etc.

I'm down with that idea. But we have to really emphasize the "The" like football players do. THE Ohio State University. THE Texas. THE China. I actually really like this idea and might make a D&D character that speaks this way.

We'd also have to make it fair and add The to countries that already have a The.

So The The United States.  The The UK, or TTUK.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/22/russia-ukraine-updates/#link-AK7DAXBPTVB7JLR6MTI4ECGEIA

In an interview with the conservative “Clay Travis and Buck Sexton” radio show, Trump said he was impressed by news of Putin’s actions.

“Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump said. “So Putin is now saying, ‘It’s independent,’ a large section of Ukraine. I said, ‘How smart is that?’ ”

Trump said Putin will now “go in” to Ukraine “and be a peacekeeper.”

“That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border,” he said. “That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy. … I know him very well. Very, very well.”

Fucking of course Trump would say this.

Quote from: boydster on February 22, 2022, 01:12:42 PM

It's "Ukraine," not "the Ukraine." We should probably get the name of the place we're talking about right.

I think about this sometimes and wonder why people even started saying The Ukraine, and the only reason I can think of is that we say The United States and The United Kingdom and Ukraine starts with a U and it just seems like it should have a The in front of it.

THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OTHER REASON.

the Philippines 
the Netherlands 
the United States of Mexico 

the Ocean   
I don't see a pattern 
I also don't see a problem

Is this really an important piece of the war?   

I'm gunna take the carti b exit.   

The reason we call them "Ukraine" now and not "The Ukraine" is because that's what they asked to be called.  Seems simple enough.

The reason we call them "Ukraine" now and not "The Ukraine" is because that's what they asked to be called.  Seems simple enough.

 

I haven't heard them complain.   
I have only heard (the) internet posters complain. 


This just in from the war zone . . .

OMG, my family just got annihilated by (the) Russia.   
WHY do people say THE Ukraine?

   

Let us weep and rub our hands.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/22/russia-ukraine-updates/#link-AK7DAXBPTVB7JLR6MTI4ECGEIA

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In an interview with the conservative “Clay Travis and Buck Sexton” radio show, Trump said he was impressed by news of Putin’s actions.

“Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump said. “So Putin is now saying, ‘It’s independent,’ a large section of Ukraine. I said, ‘How smart is that?’ ”

Trump said Putin will now “go in” to Ukraine “and be a peacekeeper.”

“That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border,” he said. “That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy. … I know him very well. Very, very well.”

Fucking of course Trump would say this.

I bet if Putin nuked Kiev,  Trump would find a way of praising Putin for his tough agressive action.   Trump is a sycophant of the absolute worst kind. 

 

Quote from: Crouton on February 22, 2022, 04:05:48 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/22/russia-ukraine-updates/#link-AK7DAXBPTVB7JLR6MTI4ECGEIA

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In an interview with the conservative “Clay Travis and Buck Sexton” radio show, Trump said he was impressed by news of Putin’s actions.

“Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump said. “So Putin is now saying, ‘It’s independent,’ a large section of Ukraine. I said, ‘How smart is that?’ ”

Trump said Putin will now “go in” to Ukraine “and be a peacekeeper.”

“That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border,” he said. “That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy. … I know him very well. Very, very well.”

Fucking of course Trump would say this.

I bet if Putin nuked Kiev,  Trump would find a way of praising Putin for his tough agressive action.   Trump is a sycophant of the absolute worst kind. 

 

Fuckin' Trump!   

I'm down with that idea. But we have to really emphasize the "The" like football players do. THE Ohio State University. THE Texas. THE China. I actually really like this idea and might make a D&D character that speaks this way.

"The" as opposed to the uncapitalized  "the" which would be just the regular common version.

Quote from: JJA on February 22, 2022, 04:13:42 PM

The reason we call them "Ukraine" now and not "The Ukraine" is because that's what they asked to be called.  Seems simple enough.

 

I haven't heard them complain.   
I have only heard (the) internet posters complain. 


This just in from the war zone . . .

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OMG, my family just got annihilated by (the) Russia.   
WHY do people say THE Ukraine?

   

Let us weep and rub our hands.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844

"The Ukraine" is incorrect both grammatically and politically, says Oksana Kyzyma of the Embassy of Ukraine in London.

"Ukraine is both the conventional short and long name of the country," she says. "This name is stated in the Ukrainian Declaration of Independence and Constitution."

The use of the article relates to the time before independence in 1991, when Ukraine was a republic of the Soviet Union known as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, she says. Since then, it should be merely Ukraine.

Seems Ukrainians do have an opinion on the matter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/22/russia-ukraine-updates/#link-AK7DAXBPTVB7JLR6MTI4ECGEIA

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In an interview with the conservative “Clay Travis and Buck Sexton” radio show, Trump said he was impressed by news of Putin’s actions.

“Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump said. “So Putin is now saying, ‘It’s independent,’ a large section of Ukraine. I said, ‘How smart is that?’ ”

Trump said Putin will now “go in” to Ukraine “and be a peacekeeper.”

“That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border,” he said. “That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy. … I know him very well. Very, very well.”

Fucking of course Trump would say this.

Obviously he probably doesn't understand (or care) that Putin recognized those territories (including the 2/3 of the area not controlled by the separatists) as independent just so that he could annex them into Russia like he did with Crimea.

Quote from: Rayzor on February 22, 2022, 04:37:36 PM

Quote from: Crouton on February 22, 2022, 04:05:48 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/22/russia-ukraine-updates/#link-AK7DAXBPTVB7JLR6MTI4ECGEIA

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In an interview with the conservative “Clay Travis and Buck Sexton” radio show, Trump said he was impressed by news of Putin’s actions.

“Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful,” Trump said. “So Putin is now saying, ‘It’s independent,’ a large section of Ukraine. I said, ‘How smart is that?’ ”

Trump said Putin will now “go in” to Ukraine “and be a peacekeeper.”

“That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border,” he said. “That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy. … I know him very well. Very, very well.”

Fucking of course Trump would say this.

I bet if Putin nuked Kiev,  Trump would find a way of praising Putin for his tough agressive action.   Trump is a sycophant of the absolute worst kind. 

 

Fuckin' Trump!   

What's worse than Trump's brain-damaged barely decipherable babble is no matter how dumb he sounds saying that, his worshipers are going to sound even dumber as they nod along with adoring gazes exclaiming how brilliant and wonderful he is.

He could literally have a stroke on TV and start speaking in tongues and Fox News and most of the Republican senators would be all "Yes, we also love pudding sausages in our noses" like the bunch of gutless sycophants they all are.

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Quote from: JJA on February 22, 2022, 04:13:42 PM

The reason we call them "Ukraine" now and not "The Ukraine" is because that's what they asked to be called.  Seems simple enough.

 

I haven't heard them complain.   
I have only heard (the) internet posters complain. 


This just in from the war zone . . .

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OMG, my family just got annihilated by (the) Russia.   
WHY do people say THE Ukraine?

   

Let us weep and rub our hands.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844

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"The Ukraine" is incorrect both grammatically and politically, says Oksana Kyzyma of the Embassy of Ukraine in London.

"Ukraine is both the conventional short and long name of the country," she says. "This name is stated in the Ukrainian Declaration of Independence and Constitution."

The use of the article relates to the time before independence in 1991, when Ukraine was a republic of the Soviet Union known as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, she says. Since then, it should be merely Ukraine.

Seems Ukrainians do have an opinion on the matter.

We're not supposed to talk about stuff on forums, though!

Thank you for referring to it as forums as opposed to the forums. It shows great cultural sensitivity.