Jwst launches in less than 3 hours

Quote from: Calen on August 09, 2022, 11:46:22 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on August 09, 2022, 10:10:57 PM

OK, just look out of your window and watch in the sky how the Sun and planet Mars orbit each other in space above and around. They are kept in balance by equal forces when orbiting each other. The forces are electromagnetic and centrifugal and produced by the high temperature/density metal cores of the Sun and Mars, etc. And Earth happens to be immobile but rotating 360°/24hrs in between the Sun and Mars at the center of the Solar system and the Universe. In the background are billions of galaxies and stars that are filmed by the JWST but they are just produced at Hollywood to add color to the show. It is a variation of Neal and Buzz (not) on the Moon 1969.

That is what you 'see', but it in no way reflects measurable reality.

If the the Earth is stationary at the centre of the Universe what causes stellar parallax over the course of a year?  And what causes the retrograde orbits of the outer planets?

Thanks for asking.
Re “stellar parallax over the course of a year” you have to ask Hollywood about it, as it organizes the decorations of the JWST filming.

Stellar parallax is observable and measurable by anyone with a reasonably decent telescope.  It has nothing to do with Hollywood, NASA or the JWST.

Re “the retrograde orbits of the outer planets“ they have nothing to do with Earth being immobile. The outer planets orbit around the Sun.

Why do the Sun and Moon orbit the Earth, yet everything else in the solar system orbit the Sun?

Quote from: Heiwa on August 10, 2022, 01:14:07 AM

Quote from: Calen on August 09, 2022, 11:46:22 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on August 09, 2022, 10:10:57 PM

OK, just look out of your window and watch in the sky how the Sun and planet Mars orbit each other in space above and around. They are kept in balance by equal forces when orbiting each other. The forces are electromagnetic and centrifugal and produced by the high temperature/density metal cores of the Sun and Mars, etc. And Earth happens to be immobile but rotating 360°/24hrs in between the Sun and Mars at the center of the Solar system and the Universe. In the background are billions of galaxies and stars that are filmed by the JWST but they are just produced at Hollywood to add color to the show. It is a variation of Neal and Buzz (not) on the Moon 1969.

That is what you 'see', but it in no way reflects measurable reality.

If the the Earth is stationary at the centre of the Universe what causes stellar parallax over the course of a year?  And what causes the retrograde orbits of the outer planets?

Thanks for asking.
Re “stellar parallax over the course of a year” you have to ask Hollywood about it, as it organizes the decorations of the JWST filming.

Stellar parallax is observable and measurable by anyone with a reasonably decent telescope.  It has nothing to do with Hollywood, NASA or the JWST.

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Re “the retrograde orbits of the outer planets“ they have nothing to do with Earth being immobile. The outer planets orbit around the Sun.

Why do the Sun and Moon orbit the Earth, yet everything else in the solar system orbit the Sun?

Please, note what I say. It is the Sun and planet Mars that orbit each other with the Earth immobile but rotating 360°/24hrs in between. That's why you can see the Sun rising outside your window in the morning and Mars moving in the night sky. Electromagnetic forces in action.
The Moon just orbits Earth. And the other planets orbit the Sun. The stars are seen rotating around the Pole star because Earth rotates.
But topic is the JWST and it's fake images of objects 13.5 billion light years away. Sorry, they are fabricated at Hollywood.

Please, note what I say. It is the Sun and planet Mars that orbit each other with the Earth immobile but rotating 360°/24hrs in between. That's why you can see the Sun rising outside your window in the morning and Mars moving in the night sky. Electromagnetic forces in action.
The Moon just orbits Earth. And the other planets orbit the Sun. The stars are seen rotating around the Pole star because Earth rotates.
But topic is the JWST and it's fake images of objects 13.5 billion light years away. Sorry, they are fabricated at Hollywood.

Oh, I note what you say Heiwa. I also note that it's bullshit.

Electromagnetic forces?  Please explain.

For example;

Why does the Earth remain immovable when the 'electromagnetic forces' are strong enough to cause the Sun and Mars orbit each other?

Why does the Moon, with no appreciable magnetic field, orbit the Earth?

Why does the Moon not orbit the Sun, when the Sun has by far the largest magnetic field in the solar system.

Do you deny the existence of gravity? If so, why, when the electromagnetic forces of the Earth are strong enough to hold a pebble on it's surface, is a magnet with an electromagnetic field a million times stronger than the Earth's unable to move said pebble?

Why does the Earth even rotate?  What caused it's initial rotation?


The only true statement in your drivel, is that the motion of the celestial sphere is caused by the rotation of the Earth.  Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.  That's one more time than yourself.

Please, note what I say. It is the Sun and planet Mars that orbit each other with the Earth immobile but rotating 360°/24hrs in between. That's why you can see the Sun rising outside your window in the morning and Mars moving in the night sky. Electromagnetic forces in action.
The Moon just orbits Earth. And the other planets orbit the Sun. The stars are seen rotating around the Pole star because Earth rotates.
But topic is the JWST and it's fake images of objects 13.5 billion light years away. Sorry, they are fabricated at Hollywood.

I have asked before, but you failed to produce anything as expected.
But please cite any source from a reputable scientist, astronomer or authority thats worth listening to that backs up this silly idea of yours.

@Calen
Thanks for asking many question, even if you consider my findings bullshit.
Electromagnetic forces. Maybe the star Sun and planet Mars with their unknown metallic cores and masses generate such and centrifugal forces, when they orbit each other in an electric Universe. I discuss it at my website.
The Swedish Nobel Prizes committee and royal academy of sciences have given a lot of price money to various clowns about absolute nonsensical bullshit since more than 100 years. Trying to confirm the findings incl. Einstein’s from 1905 – 1950, I have found little evidence of most of it = bullshit.
The Earth remains immobile between the Sun and Mars because it is stuck there. I can see and feel it.
Same with the Moon! It orbits Earth and nobody knows how it came about. No Nobel Prize for any Moon expert so far!
The Moon doesn’t orbit the Sun, as the Moon orbits Earth. Celestial objects can only orbit one other object.
I do not deny gravity. I have seen plenty stuff dropping on Earth due to Newton’s gravity. The electromagnetic force of Earth is not clear, as we don’t know what the Earth core is and it’s mass and what the Van Allen belt really is about. Nobody has won a Nobel Prize for it! I just watch the developments and lies and fake news about it. It has made me rich!
I know that the Earth rotates 360°/24 hrs by observation and feeling it. I haven’t got a clue what initiated the rotation. If you have, you can collect a Nobel Prize for it.

@MaNaeSWolf
Just visit my website, where I provide links to my sources.

@MaNaeSWolf
Just visit my website, where I provide links to my sources.

I had an oncologist look at your website, and he confirmed that your website is worse than cancer.

Provide an academic paper or any writings of a reputable source.
Your website is not a source.

Quote from: Heiwa on August 10, 2022, 06:45:07 AM

@MaNaeSWolf
Just visit my website, where I provide links to my sources.

I had an oncologist look at your website, and he confirmed that your website is worse than cancer.

Provide an academic paper or any writings of a reputable source.
Your website is not a source.

My scientific academic papers and published articles are listed at my website.
Re cancer I wasn't feeling well on the tennis court 6 weeks ago, and as my daughter is an MD, I went to see her. Someone thought my ill feeling was due to a blood clot in the brain, which was scanned. No blood clot. It was then thought that a nerve could be blocked above my stomach, which was scanned. No blocked nerve. Then a professor thought my heart was at fault, so it was scanned. My heart is 76 years old, i.e. not new. But it is working. Nobody thought about cancer. But I was tested for Covid for the 6th time. No Covid either! I am not even vaccinated against it. A couple of friends of mine got vaccinated and died soon after.
People ask why I am in good shape and I recommend good food, good wine, plenty physical exercise, vitamins and minerals of all sorts. Normally I use acupuncture against all health problems before asking my daughter, but my acupuncturist was on vacation. But I acupuncture needled myself to be on the safe side and I felt much better after that. Maybe the problem is the heat wave with >30°C day and night since 5 weeks. I have AC but get sick of its noise and chilly air, so no AC for me. I prefer a good red wine. But you probably cannot afford the wine I drink right now to be in shape and reply to people believing in the JWST bullshit.

My scientific academic papers and published articles are listed at my website.

So no source then.

Also, keep yourself fit and busy.
I live in the city of the comrads marathon, where your only a runner if your doing 90km at least once a year. I know quite a few 70+ year olds doing it. So as long as your not stuffing your gut with junk, I see no reason why you should stop playing tennis, or what ever it is you do.
But you are ancient, so take it chill.

Topic is the James Webb Space Telescope (sometimes called JWST or Webb), which is an orbiting infrared observatory using mirrors that will complement and extend the discoveries of the Hubble Space Telescope, with longer wavelength coverage and greatly improved sensitivity.
The longer wavelengths enable Webb to look much closer to the beginning (!) of time and to hunt for the unobserved (!!) formation of the first galaxies, as well as to look inside dust clouds (!!!) where stars and planetary systems are forming (!!!!)  today. Imaging all that vital info.

https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/about/faqs/facts.html

Mission goals are thus :
1. Search for the first galaxies or luminous objects formed after the Big Bang
2. Determine how galaxies evolved from their formation until now
3. Observe the formation of stars from the first stages to the formation of planetary systems
4. Measure the physical and chemical properties of planetary systems, including our own Solar System, and investigate the potential for life in those systems
So far a 13.5 billion years old galaxy has been found but how it was formed is still unclear. Also some new stars in the Milky Way galaxy 4500 light years away have been filmed. Before there were a billuon stars in the Milky Way galaxy, Now are a couple of new ones. Re our Solar system Webb has managed to film planet Jupiter with a white dot but didn't find any life. When I watch Jupiter the dot is red!

When I watch Jupiter the dot is red!

That's because you can't see in infrared. If you placed a NIRCam instrument 2.12 micron filter in front of your eyes, the red spot would be white, like in the image.


Jupiter, center, and its moon Europa, left, are seen through the
James Webb Space Telescope’s NIRCam instrument 2.12 micron filter.
Credits: NASA, ESA, CSA, and B. Holler and J. Stansberry (STScI)

The Near Infrared Camera (NIRCam) for NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) is one of the four science instruments installed into the Integrated Science Instrument Module (ISIM) on JWST.

Thanks. Of course I watch Jupiter from my window using a telescope without filters and then the dot is red. And the Jupiter moons are lit up like stars by the Sun. JWST sees a white dot and the Moons are black. I cannot understand JWST wasting time filming Jupiter with filters. I am more interested in the inside of Jupiter and its core. That Jupiter has an atmosphere is clear but what is below it? It seems the JWST with its long-wave and short-wave filters cannot see through the Jupiter atmosphere at all. So we still doesn't know what the Jupiter ground looks like.

Thanks. Of course I watch Jupiter from my window using a telescope without filters and then the dot is red. And the Jupiter moons are lit up like stars by the Sun. JWST sees a white dot and the Moons are black. I cannot understand JWST wasting time filming Jupiter with filters. I am more interested in the inside of Jupiter and its core. That Jupiter has an atmosphere is clear but what is below it? It seems the JWST with its long-wave and short-wave filters cannot see through the Jupiter atmosphere at all. So we still doesn't know what the Jupiter ground looks like.

Team JWST cares not about what a lone conspiracy theorist is interested in.

Quote from: Heiwa on August 11, 2022, 02:00:11 AM

Thanks. Of course I watch Jupiter from my window using a telescope without filters and then the dot is red. And the Jupiter moons are lit up like stars by the Sun. JWST sees a white dot and the Moons are black. I cannot understand JWST wasting time filming Jupiter with filters. I am more interested in the inside of Jupiter and its core. That Jupiter has an atmosphere is clear but what is below it? It seems the JWST with its long-wave and short-wave filters cannot see through the Jupiter atmosphere at all. So we still doesn't know what the Jupiter ground looks like.

Team JWST cares not about what a lone conspiracy theorist is interested in.

?? I asked NASA about their images and a lady there told me "The images are not copyrighted.  Please cite the appropriate credit listed for any image that you use."
Of course the images allegedly come from JWST, Hubble or similar unmanned space crafts that just sends them back to Earth, where people can look at them or make mosaics of 1000's of them. There is no guarantee that they are real or info how the mosaics are put together. One NASA image of a 13.5 billion light years old galaxy with billions of stars in sounds fantasy to me. How can NASA take one picture of one star in that far away galaxy of so many stars?

Quote from: Stash on August 11, 2022, 12:11:27 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on August 11, 2022, 02:00:11 AM

Thanks. Of course I watch Jupiter from my window using a telescope without filters and then the dot is red. And the Jupiter moons are lit up like stars by the Sun. JWST sees a white dot and the Moons are black. I cannot understand JWST wasting time filming Jupiter with filters. I am more interested in the inside of Jupiter and its core. That Jupiter has an atmosphere is clear but what is below it? It seems the JWST with its long-wave and short-wave filters cannot see through the Jupiter atmosphere at all. So we still doesn't know what the Jupiter ground looks like.

Team JWST cares not about what a lone conspiracy theorist is interested in.

?? I asked NASA about their images and a lady there told me "The images are not copyrighted.  Please cite the appropriate credit listed for any image that you use."

Seems reasonable.

Of course the images allegedly come from JWST, Hubble or similar unmanned space crafts that just sends them back to Earth, where people can look at them or make mosaics of 1000's of them. There is no guarantee that they are real...

What sort of "guarantee" are you looking for? A seal of approval, a certificate of authenticity?

or info how the mosaics are put together.

Are you a perpetual liar or just ignorant/inept? Instead of just complaining all of the time, why don't you google about to find your answers. There's plenty of info out there about mosaics and how they are processed.

NIRCam Mosaics


This figure shows a nominal 306.902" × 133.269" tile spacing of a NIRCam mosaic composed of 2 rows and 2 columns, with 0% overlap and zero shifts between rows or columns. The mosaic may be adjusted to have smaller or larger spacing, as well as shifts between columns or rows. Short and long wavelength detectors are shown as blue filled squares and red outlines, respectively. Each X marks the reference target spot for one pointing when observing with both modules. Note that when observing with both modules, the target reference position falls in the gap between modules.

One NASA image of a 13.5 billion light years old galaxy with billions of stars in sounds fantasy to me. How can NASA take one picture of one star in that far away galaxy of so many stars?

Use the Google.

Thanks, I know how a mosaic picture is made. I simply doubt that NASA/JWST can make a mosaic picture of a galaxy 13.5 billion light years away and that I then can study individual images of billions of stars in that far away galaxy.

Thanks, I know how a mosaic picture is made. I simply doubt that NASA/JWST can make a mosaic picture of a galaxy 13.5 billion light years away and that I then can study individual images of billions of stars in that far away galaxy.

Doubt all you want. No one involved with JWST cares about a lone conspiracy theorist's "doubts". Especially considering a lone conspiracy theorist who's whole premise for doubt is based solely on ignorance and ineptitude.

Quote from: Heiwa on August 12, 2022, 10:01:11 AM

Thanks, I know how a mosaic picture is made. I simply doubt that NASA/JWST can make a mosaic picture of a galaxy 13.5 billion light years away and that I then can study individual images of billions of stars in that far away galaxy.

Doubt all you want. No one involved with JWST cares about a lone conspiracy theorist's "doubts". Especially considering a lone conspiracy theorist who's whole premise for doubt is based solely on ignorance and ineptitude.

Any way NASA replied to my questions and I am happy with it. Why are you so upset about it? This is just a social media discussion about the JWST.

I'm glad you're satisfied.

Thanks, I know how a mosaic picture is made. I simply doubt that NASA/JWST can make a mosaic picture of a galaxy 13.5 billion light years away and that I then can study individual images of billions of stars in that far away galaxy.

You can always download the raw data and analyze it yourself to see if it fits with your geocentric point of view.
https://archive.stsci.edu/missions-and-data/jwst

Quote from: Heiwa on August 12, 2022, 10:01:11 AM

Thanks, I know how a mosaic picture is made. I simply doubt that NASA/JWST can make a mosaic picture of a galaxy 13.5 billion light years away and that I then can study individual images of billions of stars in that far away galaxy.

You can always download the raw data and analyze it yourself to see if it fits with your geocentric point of view.
https://archive.stsci.edu/missions-and-data/jwst

I quote NASA all the time. And I conclude that the "images" are photo shopped on Earth and mosaic  nonsense.

I think we get it. You think the JWST images are fake. Lots of other folks don't. If you had something to offer rather than just your opinion, that may be interesting. But just your opinion is not interesting. So basically enough said, right?

I think we get it. You think the JWST images are fake. Lots of other folks don't. If you had something to offer rather than just your opinion, that may be interesting. But just your opinion is not interesting. So basically enough said, right?

No, I just laugh at people believing the JWST nonsense that I can watch free of charge in the sky every day or night.

Quote from: Stash on August 12, 2022, 09:01:10 PM

I think we get it. You think the JWST images are fake. Lots of other folks don't. If you had something to offer rather than just your opinion, that may be interesting. But just your opinion is not interesting. So basically enough said, right?

No, I just laugh at people believing the JWST nonsense that I can watch free of charge in the sky every day or night.

Yep we got it. No one cares about your laughter. But it's nice to hear that you can still amuse yourself.

Quote from: Heiwa on August 12, 2022, 10:05:50 PM

Quote from: Stash on August 12, 2022, 09:01:10 PM

I think we get it. You think the JWST images are fake. Lots of other folks don't. If you had something to offer rather than just your opinion, that may be interesting. But just your opinion is not interesting. So basically enough said, right?

No, I just laugh at people believing the JWST nonsense that I can watch free of charge in the sky every day or night.

Yep we got it. No one cares about your laughter. But it's nice to hear that you can still amuse yourself.

You seem to care ... that everything NASA does in space is made in Hollywood. Do you really believe that a USD 10 billion JWST takes pictures of space in space?

Quote from: Stash on August 12, 2022, 11:10:50 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on August 12, 2022, 10:05:50 PM

Quote from: Stash on August 12, 2022, 09:01:10 PM

I think we get it. You think the JWST images are fake. Lots of other folks don't. If you had something to offer rather than just your opinion, that may be interesting. But just your opinion is not interesting. So basically enough said, right?

No, I just laugh at people believing the JWST nonsense that I can watch free of charge in the sky every day or night.

Yep we got it. No one cares about your laughter. But it's nice to hear that you can still amuse yourself.

You seem to care ... that everything NASA does in space is made in Hollywood. Do you really believe that a USD 10 billion JWST takes pictures of space in space?

Yes, and why not? I haven’t seen any evidence to the contrary.

Quote from: Heiwa on August 13, 2022, 12:29:43 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 12, 2022, 11:10:50 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on August 12, 2022, 10:05:50 PM

Quote from: Stash on August 12, 2022, 09:01:10 PM

I think we get it. You think the JWST images are fake. Lots of other folks don't. If you had something to offer rather than just your opinion, that may be interesting. But just your opinion is not interesting. So basically enough said, right?

No, I just laugh at people believing the JWST nonsense that I can watch free of charge in the sky every day or night.

Yep we got it. No one cares about your laughter. But it's nice to hear that you can still amuse yourself.

You seem to care ... that everything NASA does in space is made in Hollywood. Do you really believe that a USD 10 billion JWST takes pictures of space in space?

Yes, and why not? I haven’t seen any evidence to the contrary.

That explains all.

Quote from: Stash on August 13, 2022, 12:43:08 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on August 13, 2022, 12:29:43 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 12, 2022, 11:10:50 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on August 12, 2022, 10:05:50 PM

Quote from: Stash on August 12, 2022, 09:01:10 PM

I think we get it. You think the JWST images are fake. Lots of other folks don't. If you had something to offer rather than just your opinion, that may be interesting. But just your opinion is not interesting. So basically enough said, right?

No, I just laugh at people believing the JWST nonsense that I can watch free of charge in the sky every day or night.

Yep we got it. No one cares about your laughter. But it's nice to hear that you can still amuse yourself.

You seem to care ... that everything NASA does in space is made in Hollywood. Do you really believe that a USD 10 billion JWST takes pictures of space in space?

Yes, and why not? I haven’t seen any evidence to the contrary.

That explains all.

Yes, it does. No evidence, no issue.

So this JWST thing is up and running and so far it has only taken some images of objects in space - https://www.stsci.edu/jwst/science-execution/approved-programs/webb-first-image-observations - that I have seen before many times.

I wonder when we will see a star being born and the end of the Universe, i.e. some new stuff.

So this JWST thing is up and running and so far it has only taken some images of objects in space - https://www.stsci.edu/jwst/science-execution/approved-programs/webb-first-image-observations - that I have seen before many times.

I wonder when we will see a star being born and the end of the Universe, i.e. some new stuff.

Most telescope images are ordered from universities, agencies or astronomers. These are for the actual scientists that want to use the telescope. So you wont see those images unless they release them. The ones you see are usually from NASA that release it for public use.

We have seen plenty of images of stars born though, usually in nebulas. And JWST has released that already. Its just a "slow" process in human terms, so not all that interesting unless your prepared to wait a million or so years.

Quote from: Heiwa on August 13, 2022, 05:51:36 AM

So this JWST thing is up and running and so far it has only taken some images of objects in space - https://www.stsci.edu/jwst/science-execution/approved-programs/webb-first-image-observations - that I have seen before many times.

I wonder when we will see a star being born and the end of the Universe, i.e. some new stuff.

Most telescope images are ordered from universities, agencies or astronomers. These are for the actual scientists that want to use the telescope. So you wont see those images unless they release them. The ones you see are usually from NASA that release it for public use.

We have seen plenty of images of stars born though, usually in nebulas. And JWST has released that already. Its just a "slow" process in human terms, so not all that interesting unless your prepared to wait a million or so years.

I have nothing against pictures of space taken by observatories on Earth since >100 years. They just show stars of all kind. But no star being born. Pls send a picture of a star being born.