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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1080 on: April 06, 2022, 10:34:22 AM »
You can even build a fusion reactor for yourself, right at home. It's not the easiest thing in the world, or the cheapest, but it's possible for someone as well educated, funded, and connected as Heiwa is to make this and rejoice in the wonders of nuclear fusion.

https://www.instructables.com/Build-A-Fusion-Reactor/

It's also another great diversion from Heiwa, completely off topic.

Yes, it is off topic but to start fusion you have to heat up the machine and then it melts = no fusion!!! Just confusion.

Says who? You? You've already demonstrated you know next to nothing. The French reactor didn't melt. In fact, they have a solution:

No materials exist that can withstand direct contact with such heat. So, to achieve fusion in a lab, scientists have devised a solution in which a super-heated gas, or plasma, is held inside a doughnut-shaped magnetic field.

Try and get with the 21st century. You're stuck in about 1943.

The French reactor down the road from me is not yet ready in spite of enormous cost and time overruns. I follow it since  many years. And that the plasma can protect the reactor from melting is yet to be proven in a lab and full scale. It is the suggested that the temperature will be >1 000 000C  in the plasma and that that heat shall in turn heat up water to high pressure steam in a heat exchanger. Sounds optimistic.
It is optimistic, especially on a large scale. But it was done in a lab, which you said couldn’t happen. But it did. And it didn’t melt like you claimed. From the article:

Many technical challenges remain, however. In Europe, these challenges are being worked on by the Eurofusion consortium, which comprises some 5,000 science and engineering experts from across the EU, Switzerland and Ukraine.
"It's a landmark because they demonstrated stability of the plasma over five seconds. That doesn't sound very long, but on a nuclear timescale, it's a very, very long time indeed. And it's very easy then to go from five seconds to five minutes, or five hours, or even longer."


In other words, we’re probably a couple of generations away from actual large scale applications. But that doesn’t mean something doesn’t exist or can’t be done. As evidenced here, it can be done and has been done.
I was not talking about the Eurofusion consortium at CEA Cadarache Centre but the ITER next door. None of them has created high heat in a plasma that has been converted to steam and energy. ITER is just a joke! It will never work. It is pure fraud.
The Institute for Magnetic Fusion Research (Institut de Recherche sur la Fusion par confinement Magnétique, IRFM) is one of the 15 Institutes that make up the Fundamental Research Division in the CEA (Direction de la Recherche Fondamentale, DRF). For almost 60 years, its responsibility has been to carry out research on thermonuclear magnetically-confined fusion at the CEA in association with the Euratom Fusion Programme. Since the beginning of the Tore Supra programme in the late 80s, it has been located at the CEA Research Centre of Cadarache in the department of the Bouches-du-Rhône. To fulfill its missions, IRFM gathers three departments (and within them, groups), with various objectives expanding from engineering to physics to platform operation.
Result so far? 0!

The successful fission experiment was performed at the JET lab in England:

The Joint European Torus (JET), sited at Culham in Oxfordshire, has been pioneering this fusion approach for nearly 40 years.

I don’t know what it has to do with your France labs other than they are all a part of the consortium.

In any case, you're wrong. The JET lab got to 5 seconds, didn’t melt. If you have an issue with some French lab, I don’t care. It’s irrelevant.
The Joint European Torus (JET) has not been able to to do any fusion and fission work of value ever!

Says who?
The Joint European Torus (JET) itself. Check its website.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1081 on: April 06, 2022, 11:50:59 AM »
You can even build a fusion reactor for yourself, right at home. It's not the easiest thing in the world, or the cheapest, but it's possible for someone as well educated, funded, and connected as Heiwa is to make this and rejoice in the wonders of nuclear fusion.

https://www.instructables.com/Build-A-Fusion-Reactor/

It's also another great diversion from Heiwa, completely off topic.

Yes, it is off topic but to start fusion you have to heat up the machine and then it melts = no fusion!!! Just confusion.

Says who? You? You've already demonstrated you know next to nothing. The French reactor didn't melt. In fact, they have a solution:

No materials exist that can withstand direct contact with such heat. So, to achieve fusion in a lab, scientists have devised a solution in which a super-heated gas, or plasma, is held inside a doughnut-shaped magnetic field.

Try and get with the 21st century. You're stuck in about 1943.

The French reactor down the road from me is not yet ready in spite of enormous cost and time overruns. I follow it since  many years. And that the plasma can protect the reactor from melting is yet to be proven in a lab and full scale. It is the suggested that the temperature will be >1 000 000C  in the plasma and that that heat shall in turn heat up water to high pressure steam in a heat exchanger. Sounds optimistic.
It is optimistic, especially on a large scale. But it was done in a lab, which you said couldn’t happen. But it did. And it didn’t melt like you claimed. From the article:

Many technical challenges remain, however. In Europe, these challenges are being worked on by the Eurofusion consortium, which comprises some 5,000 science and engineering experts from across the EU, Switzerland and Ukraine.
"It's a landmark because they demonstrated stability of the plasma over five seconds. That doesn't sound very long, but on a nuclear timescale, it's a very, very long time indeed. And it's very easy then to go from five seconds to five minutes, or five hours, or even longer."


In other words, we’re probably a couple of generations away from actual large scale applications. But that doesn’t mean something doesn’t exist or can’t be done. As evidenced here, it can be done and has been done.
I was not talking about the Eurofusion consortium at CEA Cadarache Centre but the ITER next door. None of them has created high heat in a plasma that has been converted to steam and energy. ITER is just a joke! It will never work. It is pure fraud.
The Institute for Magnetic Fusion Research (Institut de Recherche sur la Fusion par confinement Magnétique, IRFM) is one of the 15 Institutes that make up the Fundamental Research Division in the CEA (Direction de la Recherche Fondamentale, DRF). For almost 60 years, its responsibility has been to carry out research on thermonuclear magnetically-confined fusion at the CEA in association with the Euratom Fusion Programme. Since the beginning of the Tore Supra programme in the late 80s, it has been located at the CEA Research Centre of Cadarache in the department of the Bouches-du-Rhône. To fulfill its missions, IRFM gathers three departments (and within them, groups), with various objectives expanding from engineering to physics to platform operation.
Result so far? 0!

The successful fission experiment was performed at the JET lab in England:

The Joint European Torus (JET), sited at Culham in Oxfordshire, has been pioneering this fusion approach for nearly 40 years.

I don’t know what it has to do with your France labs other than they are all a part of the consortium.

In any case, you're wrong. The JET lab got to 5 seconds, didn’t melt. If you have an issue with some French lab, I don’t care. It’s irrelevant.
The Joint European Torus (JET) has not been able to to do any fusion and fission work of value ever!

Says who?
The Joint European Torus (JET) itself. Check its website.

I just checked:

1978   JET construction starts
1983   First plasma in JET
1991   First experiments with tritium
1997   High performance full deuterium-tritium experiments. JET achieves world record fusion power of 16.1 MW.
2009/10   JET installs a new beryllium/tungsten plasma facing wall to test this configuration for ITER.
2019/20   Preparations well advanced for new deuterium-tritium experiments, designed to sustain high fusion performance for longer periods.
2022 Landmark results from EUROfusion scientists and engineers at world-leading UK Atomic Energy Authority’s Joint European Torus (JET) facility in Oxford - Record-breaking 59 megajoules of sustained fusion energy demonstrates powerplant potential and strengthens case for ITER

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1082 on: April 06, 2022, 12:09:50 PM »
You can even build a fusion reactor for yourself, right at home. It's not the easiest thing in the world, or the cheapest, but it's possible for someone as well educated, funded, and connected as Heiwa is to make this and rejoice in the wonders of nuclear fusion.

https://www.instructables.com/Build-A-Fusion-Reactor/

It's also another great diversion from Heiwa, completely off topic.

Yes, it is off topic but to start fusion you have to heat up the machine and then it melts = no fusion!!! Just confusion.

Says who? You? You've already demonstrated you know next to nothing. The French reactor didn't melt. In fact, they have a solution:

No materials exist that can withstand direct contact with such heat. So, to achieve fusion in a lab, scientists have devised a solution in which a super-heated gas, or plasma, is held inside a doughnut-shaped magnetic field.

Try and get with the 21st century. You're stuck in about 1943.

The French reactor down the road from me is not yet ready in spite of enormous cost and time overruns. I follow it since  many years. And that the plasma can protect the reactor from melting is yet to be proven in a lab and full scale. It is the suggested that the temperature will be >1 000 000C  in the plasma and that that heat shall in turn heat up water to high pressure steam in a heat exchanger. Sounds optimistic.
It is optimistic, especially on a large scale. But it was done in a lab, which you said couldn’t happen. But it did. And it didn’t melt like you claimed. From the article:

Many technical challenges remain, however. In Europe, these challenges are being worked on by the Eurofusion consortium, which comprises some 5,000 science and engineering experts from across the EU, Switzerland and Ukraine.
"It's a landmark because they demonstrated stability of the plasma over five seconds. That doesn't sound very long, but on a nuclear timescale, it's a very, very long time indeed. And it's very easy then to go from five seconds to five minutes, or five hours, or even longer."


In other words, we’re probably a couple of generations away from actual large scale applications. But that doesn’t mean something doesn’t exist or can’t be done. As evidenced here, it can be done and has been done.
I was not talking about the Eurofusion consortium at CEA Cadarache Centre but the ITER next door. None of them has created high heat in a plasma that has been converted to steam and energy. ITER is just a joke! It will never work. It is pure fraud.
The Institute for Magnetic Fusion Research (Institut de Recherche sur la Fusion par confinement Magnétique, IRFM) is one of the 15 Institutes that make up the Fundamental Research Division in the CEA (Direction de la Recherche Fondamentale, DRF). For almost 60 years, its responsibility has been to carry out research on thermonuclear magnetically-confined fusion at the CEA in association with the Euratom Fusion Programme. Since the beginning of the Tore Supra programme in the late 80s, it has been located at the CEA Research Centre of Cadarache in the department of the Bouches-du-Rhône. To fulfill its missions, IRFM gathers three departments (and within them, groups), with various objectives expanding from engineering to physics to platform operation.
Result so far? 0!

The successful fission experiment was performed at the JET lab in England:

The Joint European Torus (JET), sited at Culham in Oxfordshire, has been pioneering this fusion approach for nearly 40 years.

I don’t know what it has to do with your France labs other than they are all a part of the consortium.

In any case, you're wrong. The JET lab got to 5 seconds, didn’t melt. If you have an issue with some French lab, I don’t care. It’s irrelevant.
The Joint European Torus (JET) has not been able to to do any fusion and fission work of value ever!

Says who?
The Joint European Torus (JET) itself. Check its website.

I just checked:

1978   JET construction starts
1983   First plasma in JET
1991   First experiments with tritium
1997   High performance full deuterium-tritium experiments. JET achieves world record fusion power of 16.1 MW.
2009/10   JET installs a new beryllium/tungsten plasma facing wall to test this configuration for ITER.
2019/20   Preparations well advanced for new deuterium-tritium experiments, designed to sustain high fusion performance for longer periods.
2022 Landmark results from EUROfusion scientists and engineers at world-leading UK Atomic Energy Authority’s Joint European Torus (JET) facility in Oxford - Record-breaking 59 megajoules of sustained fusion energy demonstrates powerplant potential and strengthens case for ITER
I know. After 44 years of various tests JET got its machine started and produced 59MJ of sustained fusion energy during a few seconds. And then the whole thing melted. Fiasco!
But topic is the JWST looking for the end of the Universe 14 billion light years away. But it seems Hubble in HEO has just beaten JWST and seen a star 28 billion light years away!! Through a gravity lens!!

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1083 on: April 06, 2022, 12:55:32 PM »
You can even build a fusion reactor for yourself, right at home. It's not the easiest thing in the world, or the cheapest, but it's possible for someone as well educated, funded, and connected as Heiwa is to make this and rejoice in the wonders of nuclear fusion.

https://www.instructables.com/Build-A-Fusion-Reactor/

It's also another great diversion from Heiwa, completely off topic.

Yes, it is off topic but to start fusion you have to heat up the machine and then it melts = no fusion!!! Just confusion.

Says who? You? You've already demonstrated you know next to nothing. The French reactor didn't melt. In fact, they have a solution:

No materials exist that can withstand direct contact with such heat. So, to achieve fusion in a lab, scientists have devised a solution in which a super-heated gas, or plasma, is held inside a doughnut-shaped magnetic field.

Try and get with the 21st century. You're stuck in about 1943.

The French reactor down the road from me is not yet ready in spite of enormous cost and time overruns. I follow it since  many years. And that the plasma can protect the reactor from melting is yet to be proven in a lab and full scale. It is the suggested that the temperature will be >1 000 000C  in the plasma and that that heat shall in turn heat up water to high pressure steam in a heat exchanger. Sounds optimistic.
It is optimistic, especially on a large scale. But it was done in a lab, which you said couldn’t happen. But it did. And it didn’t melt like you claimed. From the article:

Many technical challenges remain, however. In Europe, these challenges are being worked on by the Eurofusion consortium, which comprises some 5,000 science and engineering experts from across the EU, Switzerland and Ukraine.
"It's a landmark because they demonstrated stability of the plasma over five seconds. That doesn't sound very long, but on a nuclear timescale, it's a very, very long time indeed. And it's very easy then to go from five seconds to five minutes, or five hours, or even longer."


In other words, we’re probably a couple of generations away from actual large scale applications. But that doesn’t mean something doesn’t exist or can’t be done. As evidenced here, it can be done and has been done.
I was not talking about the Eurofusion consortium at CEA Cadarache Centre but the ITER next door. None of them has created high heat in a plasma that has been converted to steam and energy. ITER is just a joke! It will never work. It is pure fraud.
The Institute for Magnetic Fusion Research (Institut de Recherche sur la Fusion par confinement Magnétique, IRFM) is one of the 15 Institutes that make up the Fundamental Research Division in the CEA (Direction de la Recherche Fondamentale, DRF). For almost 60 years, its responsibility has been to carry out research on thermonuclear magnetically-confined fusion at the CEA in association with the Euratom Fusion Programme. Since the beginning of the Tore Supra programme in the late 80s, it has been located at the CEA Research Centre of Cadarache in the department of the Bouches-du-Rhône. To fulfill its missions, IRFM gathers three departments (and within them, groups), with various objectives expanding from engineering to physics to platform operation.
Result so far? 0!

The successful fission experiment was performed at the JET lab in England:

The Joint European Torus (JET), sited at Culham in Oxfordshire, has been pioneering this fusion approach for nearly 40 years.

I don’t know what it has to do with your France labs other than they are all a part of the consortium.

In any case, you're wrong. The JET lab got to 5 seconds, didn’t melt. If you have an issue with some French lab, I don’t care. It’s irrelevant.
The Joint European Torus (JET) has not been able to to do any fusion and fission work of value ever!

Says who?
The Joint European Torus (JET) itself. Check its website.

I just checked:

1978   JET construction starts
1983   First plasma in JET
1991   First experiments with tritium
1997   High performance full deuterium-tritium experiments. JET achieves world record fusion power of 16.1 MW.
2009/10   JET installs a new beryllium/tungsten plasma facing wall to test this configuration for ITER.
2019/20   Preparations well advanced for new deuterium-tritium experiments, designed to sustain high fusion performance for longer periods.
2022 Landmark results from EUROfusion scientists and engineers at world-leading UK Atomic Energy Authority’s Joint European Torus (JET) facility in Oxford - Record-breaking 59 megajoules of sustained fusion energy demonstrates powerplant potential and strengthens case for ITER
I know. After 44 years of various tests JET got its machine started and produced 59MJ of sustained fusion energy during a few seconds. And then the whole thing melted. Fiasco!

What melted?

But topic is the JWST looking for the end of the Universe 14 billion light years away. But it seems Hubble in HEO has just beaten JWST and seen a star 28 billion light years away!! Through a gravity lens!!

Yep, Hubble still rocks. It's kinda hard for JWST to best Hubble when it's still a couple of months away from actually being online. Try and apply some logic every now and again.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1084 on: April 06, 2022, 08:01:16 PM »
Space telescopes are just toys for boys!

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1085 on: April 07, 2022, 12:44:54 AM »
Space telescopes are just toys for boys!

Apparently, so is the coulombi egg tanker. Just a failed idea that some merely toyed with as none have ever sailed. Relegated to the dusty crates of forgotten flights of fancy.


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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1086 on: April 07, 2022, 03:14:41 AM »
Space telescopes are just toys for boys!

Apparently, so is the coulombi egg tanker. Just a failed idea that some merely toyed with as none have ever sailed. Relegated to the dusty crates of forgotten flights of fancy.


No, how to make oil transport at sea with reduced risk of oil spills was discussed by United Nations 1990/7. The USA suggested double hull but in the end United Nations, incl. USA, unanimously adopted autumn 1997 other ideas, rules and criteria, incl. my Coulombi Egg tanker concept, which is explained on the Internet. However, the next day some USCG admiral explained that Coulombi Egg tankers could not enter US ports, etc. The matter was and has been discussed in the US Congress that decided to investigate further with the result ... no result. But the Coulombi Egg tanker is approved and not a failed idea and used, even if the CE tankers cannot enter US ports. What this has to do with topic - JWST in space - is beyond me. I just have a great view of an ocean outside my window.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1087 on: April 07, 2022, 03:33:19 AM »
As much as Heiwa is trolling this thread and filling it with his own brand of BS, it is clear Heiwa has taken a keen interest in the JWST, even if he doesn't want to admit he's looking forward to what it discovers and even if he doesn't want to admit that it's real and it's happening

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1088 on: April 07, 2022, 05:29:05 AM »
As much as Heiwa is trolling this thread and filling it with his own brand of BS, it is clear Heiwa has taken a keen interest in the JWST, even if he doesn't want to admit he's looking forward to what it discovers and even if he doesn't want to admit that it's real and it's happening
No, I just made a comment - see reply #8 on: December 26, 2021, 03:22:11 AM . Pls read it again.
I know what JWST will find in the Universe with no beginning nor end. Absolutely nothing of interest.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1089 on: April 07, 2022, 05:35:59 AM »
As much as Heiwa is trolling this thread and filling it with his own brand of BS, it is clear Heiwa has taken a keen interest in the JWST, even if he doesn't want to admit he's looking forward to what it discovers and even if he doesn't want to admit that it's real and it's happening
No, I just made a comment - see reply #8 on: December 26, 2021, 03:22:11 AM . Pls read it again.
I know what JWST will find in the Universe with no beginning nor end. Absolutely nothing of interest.

No one cares what you personally find interesting or not. This endeavour is not for you. Sorry if that deflates your ego

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1090 on: April 07, 2022, 05:42:05 AM »
As much as Heiwa is trolling this thread and filling it with his own brand of BS, it is clear Heiwa has taken a keen interest in the JWST, even if he doesn't want to admit he's looking forward to what it discovers and even if he doesn't want to admit that it's real and it's happening
No, I just made a comment - see reply #8 on: December 26, 2021, 03:22:11 AM . Pls read it again.
I know what JWST will find in the Universe with no beginning nor end. Absolutely nothing of interest.

No one cares what you personally find interesting or not. This endeavour is not for you. Sorry if that deflates your ego
I just commented that I could study the Universe from my window just like the JWST without a telescope. So far I have seen nothing of interest in the Universe. Only billions of stars and galaxies of little interest.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1091 on: April 07, 2022, 06:01:35 AM »
Space telescopes are just toys for boys!

Apparently, so is the coulombi egg tanker. Just a failed idea that some merely toyed with as none have ever sailed. Relegated to the dusty crates of forgotten flights of fancy.


No, how to make oil transport at sea with reduced risk of oil spills was discussed by United Nations 1990/7. The USA suggested double hull but in the end United Nations, incl. USA, unanimously adopted autumn 1997 other ideas, rules and criteria, incl. my Coulombi Egg tanker concept, which is explained on the Internet. However, the next day some USCG admiral explained that Coulombi Egg tankers could not enter US ports, etc. The matter was and has been discussed in the US Congress that decided to investigate further with the result ... no result. But the Coulombi Egg tanker is approved and not a failed idea and used, even if the CE tankers cannot enter US ports. What this has to do with topic - JWST in space - is beyond me. I just have a great view of an ocean outside my window.

HAHAHA... Anders thinks what the UN says matters.
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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1092 on: April 07, 2022, 06:04:31 AM »
As much as Heiwa is trolling this thread and filling it with his own brand of BS, it is clear Heiwa has taken a keen interest in the JWST, even if he doesn't want to admit he's looking forward to what it discovers and even if he doesn't want to admit that it's real and it's happening
No, I just made a comment - see reply #8 on: December 26, 2021, 03:22:11 AM . Pls read it again.
I know what JWST will find in the Universe with no beginning nor end. Absolutely nothing of interest.

No one cares what you personally find interesting or not. This endeavour is not for you. Sorry if that deflates your ego
I just commented that I could study the Universe from my window just like the JWST without a telescope. So far I have seen nothing of interest in the Universe. Only billions of stars and galaxies of little interest.

You have not seen 'billions of stars'. Only hundreds. And even then, you have zero information about any of them other than they look like a 'white dot in the sky'

You dont know what type of star they are, about planets orbiting them, their distance or literally anything to do with astronomy at all. Your window observations suck. If that's all you're after, good for you. The rest of us inquisitive minds want a lot more. And the telescope will provide. No one cares about what you think or your stupid trolling efforts. No one cares about your ignorance. No one cares about your window. And no one cares when you finally kick the bucket.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1093 on: April 07, 2022, 08:18:32 AM »
As much as Heiwa is trolling this thread and filling it with his own brand of BS, it is clear Heiwa has taken a keen interest in the JWST, even if he doesn't want to admit he's looking forward to what it discovers and even if he doesn't want to admit that it's real and it's happening
No, I just made a comment - see reply #8 on: December 26, 2021, 03:22:11 AM . Pls read it again.
I know what JWST will find in the Universe with no beginning nor end. Absolutely nothing of interest.

No one cares what you personally find interesting or not. This endeavour is not for you. Sorry if that deflates your ego
I just commented that I could study the Universe from my window just like the JWST without a telescope. So far I have seen nothing of interest in the Universe. Only billions of stars and galaxies of little interest.

You have not seen 'billions of stars'. Only hundreds. And even then, you have zero information about any of them other than they look like a 'white dot in the sky'

You dont know what type of star they are, about planets orbiting them, their distance or literally anything to do with astronomy at all. Your window observations suck. If that's all you're after, good for you. The rest of us inquisitive minds want a lot more. And the telescope will provide. No one cares about what you think or your stupid trolling efforts. No one cares about your ignorance. No one cares about your window. And no one cares when you finally kick the bucket.
OK, so far JWST has provided one photo of a nearby star in our Milky Way galaxy to adjust the scope. There are then billions of other galaxies to look at with plenty stars in each of them for inquisitive minds to study. Good luck. What do you expect to find? The end/beginning of the Universe? Only sick people waste time looking at stars and galaxies.
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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1094 on: April 07, 2022, 08:40:17 AM »
You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.
No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving. 8 minutes from the Sun, 14 billion years from the End of the Universe. I have already seen them. Nothing new there!


Only sick people waste time look at stars and galaxies.

Thanks for finally admitting you are a sick person.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2022, 08:45:17 AM by NotSoSkeptical »
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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1095 on: April 07, 2022, 08:48:31 AM »
You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.
No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving. 8 minutes from the Sun, 14 billion years from the End of the Universe. I have already seen them. Nothing new there!


Only sick people waste time look at stars and galaxies.

Thanks for finally admitting you are a sick person.
No, I just happen to have windows facing the sky.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1096 on: April 07, 2022, 08:51:35 AM »
You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.
No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving. 8 minutes from the Sun, 14 billion years from the End of the Universe. I have already seen them. Nothing new there!


Only sick people waste time look at stars and galaxies.

Thanks for finally admitting you are a sick person.
No, I just happen to have windows facing the sky.

So they don't face the ocean like you just recently stated?

I just have a great view of an ocean outside my window.
If "deserving" time was a factor for responding on these forums, then no one would be here posting.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1097 on: April 07, 2022, 12:04:09 PM »
Space telescopes are just toys for boys!

Apparently, so is the coulombi egg tanker. Just a failed idea that some merely toyed with as none have ever sailed. Relegated to the dusty crates of forgotten flights of fancy.


No, how to make oil transport at sea with reduced risk of oil spills was discussed by United Nations 1990/7. The USA suggested double hull but in the end United Nations, incl. USA, unanimously adopted autumn 1997 other ideas, rules and criteria, incl. my Coulombi Egg tanker concept, which is explained on the Internet. However, the next day some USCG admiral explained that Coulombi Egg tankers could not enter US ports, etc. The matter was and has been discussed in the US Congress that decided to investigate further with the result ... no result. But the Coulombi Egg tanker is approved and not a failed idea and used, even if the CE tankers cannot enter US ports.

It was rejected because the design is terrible for low speed shallow collisions which are the majority of tanker incidents.

It's not hard to understand, looking at the design I can see the reasoning.  It has no protection for the lower tanks, any hull damage to the bottom will leak, unlike a double hull design which is clearly the superior option.

The reason nobody ever built one is because it's a bad idea.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1098 on: April 07, 2022, 02:15:55 PM »
Space telescopes are just toys for boys!
The difference between the men and the boys is the price of their toys.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1099 on: April 07, 2022, 10:58:36 PM »
Space telescopes are just toys for boys!
The difference between the men and the boys is the price of their toys.
You are right again. I cannot argue about it.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1100 on: April 08, 2022, 02:24:40 PM »
Space telescopes are just toys for boys!
The difference between the men and the boys is the price of their toys.
You are right again. I cannot argue about it.
And yet you do.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1101 on: April 08, 2022, 06:36:44 PM »
Space telescopes are just toys for boys!
The difference between the men and the boys is the price of their toys.
You are right again. I cannot argue about it.
And yet you do.
Yes, but I watch the Universe from my window and I do not need a fake telescope in space doing it for me.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1102 on: April 08, 2022, 09:19:40 PM »
Yes, but I watch the Universe from my window and I do not need a fake telescope in space doing it for me.
Good for you.  That means that you won't be stealing any telescope time from real astronomers who do need space telescopes.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1103 on: April 08, 2022, 10:09:05 PM »
Yes, but I watch the Universe from my window and I do not need a fake telescope in space doing it for me.
Good for you.  That means that you won't be stealing any telescope time from real astronomers who do need space telescopes.
Correct. And no asstronmers will sit and watch anything in space through the JWST tube. The JWST, if it exists, just take photos in infrarred of objects in the Universe, that are then sent to Earth for examination.  It is all automatic and remote controlled.

Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1104 on: April 09, 2022, 02:13:18 AM »
Yes, but I watch the Universe from my window and I do not need a fake telescope in space doing it for me.
Good for you.  That means that you won't be stealing any telescope time from real astronomers who do need space telescopes.
Correct. And no asstronmers will sit and watch anything in space through the JWST tube. The JWST, if it exists, just take photos in infrarred of objects in the Universe, that are then sent to Earth for examination.  It is all automatic and remote controlled.
That doesn't mean that the time required to do observations isn't meticulously scheduled and allocated, and that none of that precious resource would ever be given to someone with less than minimum adequate credentials.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1105 on: April 09, 2022, 04:32:55 AM »
Yes, but I watch the Universe from my window and I do not need a fake telescope in space doing it for me.
Good for you.  That means that you won't be stealing any telescope time from real astronomers who do need space telescopes.
Correct. And no asstronmers will sit and watch anything in space through the JWST tube. The JWST, if it exists, just take photos in infrarred of objects in the Universe, that are then sent to Earth for examination.  It is all automatic and remote controlled.
That doesn't mean that the time required to do observations isn't meticulously scheduled and allocated, and that none of that precious resource would ever be given to someone with less than minimum adequate credentials.
Please, the JWST just takes pictures of objects like the beginning and end of the Universe and what's in between, which I can see from my window without any credentials at all. Nobody observes anything from the JWST, if it exists. I haven't even seen a waiting list to observe anything from the JWST.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1106 on: April 09, 2022, 08:15:41 AM »
The JWST, if it exists, just take photos in infrarred of objects in the Universe, that are then sent to Earth for examination.
"Just take photographs" is a gross oversimplification of what JWST's science instruments will be doing.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1107 on: April 09, 2022, 08:21:52 AM »
The JWST, if it exists, just take photos in infrarred of objects in the Universe, that are then sent to Earth for examination.
"Just take photographs" is a gross oversimplification of what JWST's science instruments will be doing.
?? What else will it do than taking photos?

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1108 on: April 09, 2022, 08:53:50 AM »
The JWST, if it exists, just take photos in infrarred of objects in the Universe, that are then sent to Earth for examination.
"Just take photographs" is a gross oversimplification of what JWST's science instruments will be doing.
?? What else will it do than taking photos?
It's not so much that it's taking photos, but the types of photos and the scientific data that they will provide that's important and can't possibly be collected from your window.
https://sci.esa.int/web/jwst/-/45752-jwst-instruments
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« Reply #1109 on: April 09, 2022, 10:08:55 AM »
The JWST, if it exists, just take photos in infrarred of objects in the Universe, that are then sent to Earth for examination.
"Just take photographs" is a gross oversimplification of what JWST's science instruments will be doing.
?? What else will it do than taking photos?
It's not so much that it's taking photos, but the types of photos and the scientific data that they will provide that's important and can't possibly be collected from your window.
https://sci.esa.int/web/jwst/-/45752-jwst-instruments
No, there are only four instruments on the JWST that can measure mysterious things that I can measure from my window, bla, bla And important??? Why are they so important? Isn't it enough that I observe things from my window? Do I need a telescope in space for it? NASA/ESA never replies. It seems they consider me too stupid and not worth the time. At least you reply. Thanks.