Jwst launches in less than 3 hours

Quote from: Stash on April 02, 2022, 01:46:43 AM

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving. 8 minutes from the Sun, 14 billion years from the End of the Universe. I have already seen them. Nothing new there!

You could have used your 3 day ban to think of a new shtick. Your window is tired.

Where do you get 14 billion years to the end of the Universe, as no scientific literature makes such  a claim?

You argue from pure fabrication.

The human eye is not going to detect photons from 14 billion light years away, or should we say from 14 billion years ago and thanks to expansion they are now much further than 14 billion light years distant and shifted out of the visible light spectrum and into the far infra-red and beyond. Heiwas ignorance knows no bounds.

Look out your window and you won't see more than a few hundred light years away. Too much light pollution and shitty field of view to even see a fraction of 1% of the stars in our own galaxy

Keep at your staring window though. I hear a room with a window is a luxury for old fogies in a hospice

The human eye is not going to detect photons from 14 billion light years away, or should we say from 14 billion years ago and thanks to expansion they are now much further than 14 billion light years distant and shifted out of the visible light spectrum and into the far infra-red and beyond. Heiwas ignorance knows no bounds.

Look out your window and you won't see more than a few hundred light years away. Too much light pollution and shitty field of view to even see a fraction of 1% of the stars in our own galaxy

Keep at your staring window though. I hear a room with a window is a luxury for old fogies in a hospice

A year is time (seconds) and a light year is distance (meters). I have plenty time to look out and watch the Mediterranean Sea outside. What can you see from your place?

Quote from: Stash on April 02, 2022, 01:46:43 AM

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving.

No, you won't.  Those 12 billion year old photons are too few and far between to be seen on earth.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 02:02:28 AM

Quote from: Stash on April 02, 2022, 01:46:43 AM

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving.

No, you won't.  Those 12 billion year old photons are too few and far between to be seen on earth.

OK, I am blind! But tell me about photons. Do they get old and disappear?

Quote from: Stash on April 02, 2022, 01:46:43 AM

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving. 8 minutes from the Sun, 14 billion years from the End of the Universe. I have already seen them. Nothing new there!

Thanks for telling us your plans, although no one asked. You just keep staring out your window. The rest of us will look forward to the results from JWST.

Quote from: markjo on April 02, 2022, 08:23:37 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 02:02:28 AM

Quote from: Stash on April 02, 2022, 01:46:43 AM

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving.

No, you won't.  Those 12 billion year old photons are too few and far between to be seen on earth.

OK, I am blind! But tell me about photons. Do they get old and disappear?

What are you on about?  I didn't say anything about your eyesight or photons disappearing.  I'm just saying that there aren't enough of those photons reaching your eye to be able to see,  You do understand the implications of the distance square rule and how it applies to light from distant stars, don't you?

Quote from: markjo on April 02, 2022, 08:23:37 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 02:02:28 AM

Quote from: Stash on April 02, 2022, 01:46:43 AM

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving.

No, you won't.  Those 12 billion year old photons are too few and far between to be seen on earth.

OK, I am blind! But tell me about photons. Do they get old and disappear?

No but you and your crap is old and should disappear.

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

I'm waiting for the first month of images, I'm expecting them to be spectacular.  I'm sure NASA is going to front-load the viewing slots with stuff suitable for ooohs and ahhhs to justify the price tag.

Then when the media gets bored they will do boring stuff like taking spectrographs of stuff.

Quote from: Stash on April 02, 2022, 01:46:43 AM

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving. 8 minutes from the Sun, 14 billion years from the End of the Universe. I have already seen them. Nothing new there!

Are you claiming to be able to see infrared radiation? Because if you cant, then you’re not going to be able to see those 14 billion year old photons.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 02:02:28 AM

Quote from: Stash on April 02, 2022, 01:46:43 AM

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving. 8 minutes from the Sun, 14 billion years from the End of the Universe. I have already seen them. Nothing new there!

Are you claiming to be able to see infrared radiation? Because if you cant, then you’re not going to be able to see those 14 billion year old photons.

This morning around 07.00 am local time I observed the Sun rising outside my window at the horizon far away. Not a cloud in the sky. Plenty photons arrived with all sorts of radiation. I am told it takes a photon 8 light minutes to to travel to me from the Sun. I like to see and feel the real thing. A photo by the JWST of the beginning of the Universe 14 billion light years old and away is nothing. Anyone can photo shop it.

This morning around 07.00 am local time I observed the Sun rising outside my window at the horizon far away. Not a cloud in the sky. Plenty photons arrived with all sorts of radiation. I am told it takes a photon 8 light minutes to to travel to me from the Sun. I like to see and feel the real thing. A photo by the JWST of the beginning of the Universe 14 billion light years old and away is nothing. Anyone can photo shop it.

Repetition of the same flawed argument ad nauseam.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 11:13:14 PM

This morning around 07.00 am local time I observed the Sun rising outside my window at the horizon far away. Not a cloud in the sky. Plenty photons arrived with all sorts of radiation. I am told it takes a photon 8 light minutes to to travel to me from the Sun. I like to see and feel the real thing. A photo by the JWST of the beginning of the Universe 14 billion light years old and away is nothing. Anyone can photo shop it.

Repetition of the same flawed argument ad nauseam.

No, it was a great morning and the Sun is still shining. Most of the photons are of course absorbed by the Mediterranean sea in front of me. It will then warm it up so I can go swimming in it later. I like photons. They heat my house at no cost for me.

Quote from: blademan9999 on April 02, 2022, 09:43:27 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 02:02:28 AM

Quote from: Stash on April 02, 2022, 01:46:43 AM

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving. 8 minutes from the Sun, 14 billion years from the End of the Universe. I have already seen them. Nothing new there!

Are you claiming to be able to see infrared radiation? Because if you cant, then you’re not going to be able to see those 14 billion year old photons.

This morning around 07.00 am local time I observed the Sun rising outside my window at the horizon far away. Not a cloud in the sky. Plenty photons arrived with all sorts of radiation. I am told it takes a photon 8 light minutes to to travel to me from the Sun. I like to see and feel the real thing. A photo by the JWST of the beginning of the Universe 14 billion light years old and away is nothing. Anyone can photo shop it.

The photons that are from the Early universe have all been strongly redshifted. The hubble Ultra deep feild was looking at redshifts of up to z≈12, the James webb telescope will be looking at up to z≈20.
You can't see infra red photons. And some infrared frequencies can't even reach the ground.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Atmospheric_Transmission-en.svg/1280px-Atmospheric_Transmission-en.svg.png

Quote from: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 11:13:14 PM

Quote from: blademan9999 on April 02, 2022, 09:43:27 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 02:02:28 AM

Quote from: Stash on April 02, 2022, 01:46:43 AM

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving. 8 minutes from the Sun, 14 billion years from the End of the Universe. I have already seen them. Nothing new there!

Are you claiming to be able to see infrared radiation? Because if you cant, then you’re not going to be able to see those 14 billion year old photons.

This morning around 07.00 am local time I observed the Sun rising outside my window at the horizon far away. Not a cloud in the sky. Plenty photons arrived with all sorts of radiation. I am told it takes a photon 8 light minutes to to travel to me from the Sun. I like to see and feel the real thing. A photo by the JWST of the beginning of the Universe 14 billion light years old and away is nothing. Anyone can photo shop it.

The photons that are from the Early universe have all been strongly redshifted. The hubble Ultra deep feild was looking at redshifts of up to z≈12, the James webb telescope will be looking at up to z≈20.
You can't see infra red photons. And some infrared frequencies can't even reach the ground.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Atmospheric_Transmission-en.svg/1280px-Atmospheric_Transmission-en.svg.png

Please! A photon is always a photon according certain experts. It is a very mysterious particle of no mass that flies around at the speed of light, etc. There is no evidence that it exists in spite of people getting sun burnt on beaches by it, etc. I have never seen a photon from my window. I just have other ideas about it. Nothing to get upset about.

Quote from: blademan9999 on April 03, 2022, 03:46:13 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 11:13:14 PM

Quote from: blademan9999 on April 02, 2022, 09:43:27 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 02, 2022, 02:02:28 AM

Quote from: Stash on April 02, 2022, 01:46:43 AM

You'll have to wait like the rest of us to find out.

No, I just look out through my window and see all these photons arriving. 8 minutes from the Sun, 14 billion years from the End of the Universe. I have already seen them. Nothing new there!

Are you claiming to be able to see infrared radiation? Because if you cant, then you’re not going to be able to see those 14 billion year old photons.

This morning around 07.00 am local time I observed the Sun rising outside my window at the horizon far away. Not a cloud in the sky. Plenty photons arrived with all sorts of radiation. I am told it takes a photon 8 light minutes to to travel to me from the Sun. I like to see and feel the real thing. A photo by the JWST of the beginning of the Universe 14 billion light years old and away is nothing. Anyone can photo shop it.

The photons that are from the Early universe have all been strongly redshifted. The hubble Ultra deep feild was looking at redshifts of up to z≈12, the James webb telescope will be looking at up to z≈20.
You can't see infra red photons. And some infrared frequencies can't even reach the ground.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Atmospheric_Transmission-en.svg/1280px-Atmospheric_Transmission-en.svg.png

Please! A photon is always a photon according certain experts. It is a very mysterious particle of no mass that flies around at the speed of light, etc. There is no evidence that it exists in spite of people getting sun burnt on beaches by it, etc. I have never seen a photon from my window. I just have other ideas about it. Nothing to get upset about.

It's not mysterious and doesn't 'fly around'

I guess not only does heiwas super vision let him distinguish light at magnitude 8.4 (whirlpool galaxy), but now claims to see far infra-red rays too. Probably radio and microwaves if you ask him as well

All a load of bullshit. The funny part is heiwa trolls this nonsense thinking people would fall for it.

Take a guess heiwa what people think of you and what you think you know....

I have never seen a photon from my window. I just have other ideas about it. Nothing to get upset about.

If I could not see photons from my window, then I would be very upset.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 03, 2022, 04:14:24 AM

I have never seen a photon from my window. I just have other ideas about it. Nothing to get upset about.

If I could not see photons from my window, then I would be very upset.

Tell me what a photon looks like! I think light is just electromagnetic energy radiation without mass, etc. No photons at all.

I have never seen a photon from my window.

Have you ever seen a molecule or atom from your window?

Tell me what a photon looks like!

It looks like a small bit of light.

Photons look like light. This thread on the other hand; it looks more like shite.

This thread should be about one of the biggest feats of human ingenuity and engineering - the JWST. Instead Heiwa has derailed it again to debating about photons. Just next level WTF

If Heiwa has nothing intelligent to talk about, he should either stick to the other thread he derailed to be all about himself and his challenges or just STFU

This thread should be about one of the biggest feats of human ingenuity and engineering - the JWST. Instead Heiwa has derailed it again to debating about photons. Just next level WTF

If Heiwa has nothing intelligent to talk about, he should either stick to the other thread he derailed to be all about himself and his challenges or just STFU

I second this motion.

This thread should be about one of the biggest feats of human ingenuity and engineering - the JWST. Instead Heiwa has derailed it again to debating about photons. Just next level WTF

If Heiwa has nothing intelligent to talk about, he should either stick to the other thread he derailed to be all about himself and his challenges or just STFU

I tried for a while replying to people and asking serious questions about the JWST but nobody paid attention.

Sad when we're the voices of reason when it comes to responding to trolls.  What's the world coming to?

I third the motion.

To be fair, until the instruments finish their cool down and final adjustments, there really isn't that much else to talk about.

To be fair, until the instruments finish their cool down and final adjustments, there really isn't that much else to talk about.

There's always something we could talk about. Or even talk about its history - or the Hubble it's replacing. Or even its limitations and what we'd like to see in a future space telescope. I don't see how debating whether photons exist, deliberately misrepresentating what it's supposed to do or how it does it, talking about some fake challenge or looking out some French window is at all relevant. Silence until the first photos are taken is better

Quote from: Heiwa on April 03, 2022, 04:14:24 AM

I have never seen a photon from my window.

Have you ever seen a molecule or atom from your window?

Yes, when it is raining outside. But there is no rain or water in vacuum space universe except on the Moon poles and in the planet Mars crust. The other Moon and Mars water in our Solar System evaporated billion years ago according 'experts'. So the JWST is not looking for water in space. I still haven't understood what the JWST looks for. Stars? Galaxies? Black Holes? Gravity waves?

Update:

The commissioning stages of the James Webb Space Telescope just ticked off yet another phase.

Engineers have successfully aligned all but one of the instruments on the $10 billion space telescope for the first time as Webb continues to cool to deep-space temperatures after launching Dec. 25, 2021.

The interim instrument adjustment was so successful that engineers determined they don't need to realign the secondary mirror of Webb, which was an option if they determined anything was out of line. One last phase of "multi-instrument alignment," as NASA terms the process, will place after the telescope's final instrument cools. The cooling milestone should happen in the "weeks ahead," the agency stated.

The JWST looks it infrared, human eyes cannot see Infrared.

Evidence of Photons. https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=29176&t=how-do-we-prove-that-photons-exist
There's also to photo-electric effect.