Jwst launches in less than 3 hours

Quote from: JJA on February 07, 2022, 05:10:07 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on February 07, 2022, 05:05:42 PM

Quote from: Stash on February 07, 2022, 11:58:07 AM

show us the math

It is not necessary. Do it yourself using basic asstrodynamics of three objets in space - Sun, Earth, JWST - with JWST moving between outside Sun and Earth after taking off from Earth and docking with point L2 after a month moving around. The mass of JWST is known but use correct masses of Sun and Earth, if you find them. And do not forget to correct for the Solar wind pushing you along all the time. And the "trim flap"!

Ok, all done. Turns out the math works perfectly. Glad I could help.

Sounds too good to be true. How did you manage to dock with L2?

Easily. I've got a strong grip, especially with my right hand.

No, the JWST started from Earth orbiting it and has slowed down since then.

Slowed down relative to what?

Quote from: Heiwa on February 08, 2022, 04:32:04 AM

No, the JWST started from Earth orbiting it and has slowed down since then.

Slowed down relative to what?

Earth.
Trip is straight from Earth to L2. You take off from Earth upwards and after a month you arrive at L2, where you orbit L2. Sounds easy, but how to do it?

Quote from: markjo on February 08, 2022, 08:55:18 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on February 08, 2022, 04:32:04 AM

No, the JWST started from Earth orbiting it and has slowed down since then.

Slowed down relative to what?

Earth.
Trip is straight from Earth to L2. You take off from Earth upwards and after a month you arrive at L2, where you orbit L2. Sounds easy, but how to do it?

Look it up. 100's of papers on the subject.

https://scholar.google.com/

Here's a few pages from one:

James Webb Space Telescope Trajectory Design Overview

Quote from: Heiwa on February 08, 2022, 05:26:04 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 08, 2022, 08:55:18 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on February 08, 2022, 04:32:04 AM

No, the JWST started from Earth orbiting it and has slowed down since then.

Slowed down relative to what?

Earth.
Trip is straight from Earth to L2. You take off from Earth upwards and after a month you arrive at L2, where you orbit L2. Sounds easy, but how to do it?

Look it up. 100's of papers on the subject.

https://scholar.google.com/

Here's a few pages from one:

James Webb Space Telescope Trajectory Design Overview

That takes actual research. Well beyond Heiwa's "skill".

Quote from: Stash on February 08, 2022, 05:41:55 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on February 08, 2022, 05:26:04 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 08, 2022, 08:55:18 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on February 08, 2022, 04:32:04 AM

No, the JWST started from Earth orbiting it and has slowed down since then.

Slowed down relative to what?

Earth.
Trip is straight from Earth to L2. You take off from Earth upwards and after a month you arrive at L2, where you orbit L2. Sounds easy, but how to do it?

Look it up. 100's of papers on the subject.

https://scholar.google.com/

Here's a few pages from one:

James Webb Space Telescope Trajectory Design Overview

That takes actual research. Well beyond Heiwa's "skill".

Not really. It is complete nonsense, as usual. Orbit around nothing (L2).

Heiwa keeps going on and on that you can’t orbit around L2 because there is no mass at L2 and you can’t orbit around nothing.

Apparently, according to Heiwa, the following is impossible:



There is nothing at the green point. No mass.


Counterexample’s a bitch, ain’t it?

Quote from: frenat on February 08, 2022, 06:03:46 PM

Quote from: Stash on February 08, 2022, 05:41:55 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on February 08, 2022, 05:26:04 PM

Quote from: markjo on February 08, 2022, 08:55:18 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on February 08, 2022, 04:32:04 AM

No, the JWST started from Earth orbiting it and has slowed down since then.

Slowed down relative to what?

Earth.
Trip is straight from Earth to L2. You take off from Earth upwards and after a month you arrive at L2, where you orbit L2. Sounds easy, but how to do it?

Look it up. 100's of papers on the subject.

https://scholar.google.com/

Here's a few pages from one:

James Webb Space Telescope Trajectory Design Overview

That takes actual research. Well beyond Heiwa's "skill".

Not really. It is complete nonsense, as usual. Orbit around nothing (L2).

and you just proved my point.

There is no way that an JWST space craft can take off from Earth heading towards L2 and a month later arrives at L2 and starts obiting around L2. You cannot leave an orbit around Earth and later start orbiting around something else. Conclusion? The JWST is just a hoax!

There is no way that an JWST space craft can take off from Earth heading towards L2 and a month later arrives at L2 and starts obiting around L2. You cannot leave an orbit around Earth and later start orbiting around something else. Conclusion? The JWST is just a hoax!

Who says there is no way?

Quote from: Heiwa on February 09, 2022, 04:19:28 AM

There is no way that an JWST space craft can take off from Earth heading towards L2 and a month later arrives at L2 and starts obiting around L2. You cannot leave an orbit around Earth and later start orbiting around something else. Conclusion? The JWST is just a hoax!

Who says there is no way?

Heiwa does!  It's all on his very popular website.

I wonder sometimes if Heiwa's very popular and modern website is more popular than the actual journals people publish real research in. I mean, his site is free, after all. And of course, he's very handsome and great at making friends. Plus, he actually flew Bullwinkle out to his penthouse suite for a week, where they enjoyed all the finest things in life. Fine coffee, fine women, fine dining, very safe yacht voyages, you get the idea. His website must be much more popular than anything you'd find in those silly scholarly journals about the lies the asstrophysicists would have guttersnipes believe.

Heiwa enjoying the company of fine women



I'm guessing Bullwinkle took the photo. What happened next, well your imagination can take over

I wonder sometimes if Heiwa's very popular and modern website is more popular than the actual journals people publish real research in. I mean, his site is free, after all. And of course, he's very handsome and great at making friends. Plus, he actually flew Bullwinkle out to his penthouse suite for a week, where they enjoyed all the finest things in life. Fine coffee, fine women, fine dining, very safe yacht voyages, you get the idea. His website must be much more popular than anything you'd find in those silly scholarly journals about the lies the asstrophysicists would have guttersnipes believe.

Yes,  it seems the Daily Page Views are down to 105.1 and that most visitors read about the 1994 Estonia sabotage/sinking, i.e. the ferry that sank like a stone killing ~1000 people, after it had lost its bow visor that nobody aboard noticed. A big wave had knocked off the visor. Reason is that it is forbidden by law to dive and look at the wreck but that people dive and have found that the visor was probably removed after sinking at the bottom of the sea (which I suggested back in 1994). Sweden shall dive again this summer and have a look.

Quote from: boydster on February 09, 2022, 07:33:59 PM

I wonder sometimes if Heiwa's very popular and modern website is more popular than the actual journals people publish real research in. I mean, his site is free, after all. And of course, he's very handsome and great at making friends. Plus, he actually flew Bullwinkle out to his penthouse suite for a week, where they enjoyed all the finest things in life. Fine coffee, fine women, fine dining, very safe yacht voyages, you get the idea. His website must be much more popular than anything you'd find in those silly scholarly journals about the lies the asstrophysicists would have guttersnipes believe.

Yes,  it seems the Daily Page Views are down to 105.1 and that most visitors read about the 1994 Estonia sabotage/sinking, i.e. the ferry that sank like a stone killing ~1000 people, after it had lost its bow visor that nobody aboard noticed. A big wave had knocked off the visor. Reason is that it is forbidden by law to dive and look at the wreck but that people dive and have found that the visor was probably removed after sinking at the bottom of the sea (which I suggested back in 1994). Sweden shall dive again this summer and have a look.

Lies!  Sweden would never break the law.  If it's illegal there is no way they will dive.

Don't slander my favorite country.

Behold!  The glorious first image from jwst, the most advanced telescope humanity has ever created!



Okay.  I know it's not very awe inspiring.  It gets better though.  Just check back in June.

Oh.  Also a selfie. 

Typical Instascam culture; one of the first photos is a selfie.

The JWST shall study the beginning of the Universe at L2 but the formation and evolution of galaxies and numerical simulations in astrophysics for the study of large structures of the Universe is already done!! Just study http://heiwaco.com/NPD.htm

Won't the admins of this site ever update their anti-spambot protection?  So sad to see this site going downhill under a flood of link spam.

Won't the admins of this site ever update their anti-spambot protection?  So sad to see this site going downhill under a flood of link spam.

Heiwas post format is the exact same format as every spambot that's ever come here with a link. Heiwa is simply the bot we never deleted

I think the mods should finally rectify this issue

On the plus side, at least the first paragraph of the page summarises the document nicely:

...bla, bla, bla...

I cannot understand why ESA/NASA sends a telescope to L2 to watch the Universe, when you can study the Universe from Earth incl. my window. Of course most of the mass and energy of the Universe is invisible and can not be studied by a telescope, like JWST. Just study http://heiwaco.com/NPD.htm

I read the page.  The usual mixture of misunderstood science and incredulity.

You reasons for declaring Stephen Hawking a clown?

Quote from: JJA on February 12, 2022, 03:29:27 AM

Won't the admins of this site ever update their anti-spambot protection?  So sad to see this site going downhill under a flood of link spam.

Heiwas post format is the exact same format as every spambot that's ever come here with a link. Heiwa is simply the bot we never deleted

I think the mods should finally rectify this issue

I've been saying that for years. All he does it make an outrageous statement, refer to his crappy website, spew insults, and RARELY responds to the actual text in a reply. "He'll" make replies but often does not address what "he" is replying to.

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on February 12, 2022, 04:06:57 AM

Quote from: JJA on February 12, 2022, 03:29:27 AM

Won't the admins of this site ever update their anti-spambot protection?  So sad to see this site going downhill under a flood of link spam.

Heiwas post format is the exact same format as every spambot that's ever come here with a link. Heiwa is simply the bot we never deleted

I think the mods should finally rectify this issue

I've been saying that for years. All he does it make an outrageous statement, refer to his crappy website, spew insults, and RARELY responds to the actual text in a reply. "He'll" make replies but often does not address what "he" is replying to.

Re outrageous statements:
The Dark Energy Spectroscopic Instrument (DESI) has capped off the first seven months of its survey run by smashing through all previous records for three-dimensional galaxy surveys, creating the largest and most detailed map of the universe ever."
https://www.desi.lbl.gov/

So DESI (on Earth) shows a detailed map of the Universe that JWST looks at from L2.

So DESI (on Earth) shows a detailed map of the Universe that JWST looks at from L2.

Yup. Go science!

Quote from: Heiwa on February 12, 2022, 09:34:48 AM

So DESI (on Earth) shows a detailed map of the Universe that JWST looks at from L2.

Yup. Go science!

Yes, DESI has shown that the Universe is full of galaxies. And that's all. No need to fly to L2 and see the same thing, that I can see from my window.

Quote from: JJA on February 12, 2022, 10:31:11 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on February 12, 2022, 09:34:48 AM

So DESI (on Earth) shows a detailed map of the Universe that JWST looks at from L2.

Yup. Go science!

Yes, DESI has shown that the Universe is full of galaxies.

It has! Go science!

Quote from: frenat on February 12, 2022, 07:24:32 AM

Quote from: Masalang the Torpedo on February 12, 2022, 04:06:57 AM

Quote from: JJA on February 12, 2022, 03:29:27 AM

Won't the admins of this site ever update their anti-spambot protection?  So sad to see this site going downhill under a flood of link spam.

Heiwas post format is the exact same format as every spambot that's ever come here with a link. Heiwa is simply the bot we never deleted

I think the mods should finally rectify this issue

I've been saying that for years. All he does it make an outrageous statement, refer to his crappy website, spew insults, and RARELY responds to the actual text in a reply. "He'll" make replies but often does not address what "he" is replying to.

Re outrageous statements:
The Dark Energy Spectroscopic Instrument (DESI) has capped off the first seven months of its survey run by smashing through all previous records for three-dimensional galaxy surveys, creating the largest and most detailed map of the universe ever."
https://www.desi.lbl.gov/

So DESI (on Earth) shows a detailed map of the Universe that JWST looks at from L2.

and he proves my point. Doesn't reply to being accused of being a bot and then just continues on with his arguments from incredulity.