Jwst launches in less than 3 hours

What is the alternative? Sending a space telescope to L2 and look from there? It really is ridiculous. No, best is visual observation from Earth with due regard to the atmosphere.

Between the distortion due to turbulent air and the various wavelengths of light that it absorbs, the atmosphere is the main reason why space based telescopes are so much better than earth based telescopes.

Quote from: Heiwa on January 19, 2022, 10:41:53 PM

What is the alternative? Sending a space telescope to L2 and look from there? It really is ridiculous. No, best is visual observation from Earth with due regard to the atmosphere.

Between the distortion due to turbulent air and the various wavelengths of light that it absorbs, the atmosphere is the main reason why space based telescopes are so much better than earth based telescopes.

No, Earth based telescopes on high mountain tops are the best way to study the Universe in good weather. Second best are satellites in LEO.

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Quote from: Heiwa on January 19, 2022, 10:41:53 PM

What is the alternative? Sending a space telescope to L2 and look from there? It really is ridiculous. No, best is visual observation from Earth with due regard to the atmosphere.

Between the distortion due to turbulent air and the various wavelengths of light that it absorbs, the atmosphere is the main reason why space based telescopes are so much better than earth based telescopes.

No, Earth based telescopes on high mountain tops are the best way to study the Universe in good weather. Second best are satellites in LEO.

Actually, first best would be JWST way out in L2.

Why in the world would mountain top telescopes be better than ones in LEO outside of our atmosphere? 

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Quote from: markjo on January 20, 2022, 02:32:10 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 19, 2022, 10:41:53 PM

What is the alternative? Sending a space telescope to L2 and look from there? It really is ridiculous. No, best is visual observation from Earth with due regard to the atmosphere.

Between the distortion due to turbulent air and the various wavelengths of light that it absorbs, the atmosphere is the main reason why space based telescopes are so much better than earth based telescopes.

No, Earth based telescopes on high mountain tops are the best way to study the Universe in good weather. Second best are satellites in LEO.

Why in the world would mountain top telescopes be better than ones in LEO outside of our atmosphere? 

Sitting at a telescope on a rotating Earth or just, like me, looking out of the window, I can see the whole Universe. Or actually not. The Universe has no end. It is endless.

Except when the sun is up, or the moon is full, or it’s cloudy.

Actually, first best would be JWST way out in L2.

Why in the world would mountain top telescopes be better than ones in LEO outside of our atmosphere? 

Because a mountain top telescope is the only one that allows him to maintain a geocentric reference frame.  Any other reference frame and his nonsense becomes apparent.

Sitting at a telescope on a rotating Earth or just, like me, looking out of the window, I can see the whole Universe. Or actually not. The Universe has no end. It is endless.

Except that, as has been pointed out many times, a terrestrial telescope cannot view the Universe in infrared, and as almost all of the observable Universe has been red-shifted into the infrared part of the electromagnetic spectrum, you are unable to see almost all of the observable Universe.

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Quote from: Heiwa on January 20, 2022, 09:46:07 PM

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Quote from: Heiwa on January 19, 2022, 10:41:53 PM

What is the alternative? Sending a space telescope to L2 and look from there? It really is ridiculous. No, best is visual observation from Earth with due regard to the atmosphere.

Between the distortion due to turbulent air and the various wavelengths of light that it absorbs, the atmosphere is the main reason why space based telescopes are so much better than earth based telescopes.

No, Earth based telescopes on high mountain tops are the best way to study the Universe in good weather. Second best are satellites in LEO.

Why in the world would mountain top telescopes be better than ones in LEO outside of our atmosphere? 

Sitting at a telescope on a rotating Earth or just, like me, looking out of the window, I can see the whole Universe. Or actually not. The Universe has no end. It is endless.

Who needs a mountain-top telescope or one up in LEO or at L2 when we have your window? Makes sense that all the world needs is a pane of glass in your tenement/treatment center.

Why don't you post some of the amazing and revealing images you get of the cosmos from your view.

Why don't you post some of the amazing and revealing images you get of the cosmos from your view.

It is only stars and galaxies as far as I can see from my windows. The Black Holes are not visible. The universe has no end so the end is not visible. No, more interesting is watching the Sun rise over the horizon each morning. Photons light up the atmosphere and suddenly the edge of the Sun is above the horizon and I can see light and feel heat one AU away. But nobody can explain how the light and heat are created. You can only see and feel it.

The Black Holes are not visible.

Indeed. However, a black hole's affect on surrounding matter and light is.

The universe has no end so the end is not visible.

It's a good job the JWST isn't looking for the edge of the Universe.  It will observe the earliest, most distant galaxies and stars within the observable Universe. 

But nobody can explain how the light and heat are created.

Nuclear fusion - a mechanism well explained, and experimentally proven. 

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 03:18:24 AM

But nobody can explain how the light and heat are created.

Nuclear fusion - a mechanism well explained, and experimentally proven.

Hm, nobody has been able start fusion on Earth ever!

Hm, nobody has been able start fusion on Earth ever!

If you ignore Tokomak, ITER, JET, and of course the fact that amateur physicians are able to use homemade inertial electrostatic confinement devices to achieve fusion.

But sure, nobody has ever been able to initiate fusion.

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 04:55:10 AM

Hm, nobody has been able start fusion on Earth ever!

If you ignore Tokomak, ITER, JET, and of course the fact that amateur physicians are able to use homemade inertial electrostatic confinement devices to achieve fusion.

But sure, nobody has ever been able to initiate fusion.

ITER is down the road from me. It may initiate fusion 2150 but it is unclear. ITER is just a construction site.

Heiwa start another thread if you want to demonstrate your ignorance about fusion. This one is about JWST, which by the way has un-pegged its mirrors now so they can be adjusted as needed for focusing on all the cool things it will be looking at.

My mistake.  The fact stands, however, that fusion has been achieved.

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

Why don't you post some of the amazing and revealing images you get of the cosmos from your view.

It is only stars and galaxies as far as I can see from my windows. The Black Holes are not visible. The universe has no end so the end is not visible. No, more interesting is watching the Sun rise over the horizon each morning. Photons light up the atmosphere and suddenly the edge of the Sun is above the horizon and I can see light and feel heat one AU away. But nobody can explain how the light and heat are created. You can only see and feel it.

I suppose there's no need for any institutional astronomical observation facilities or research considering we have you and your window. I also suppose that you designed your failed COULOMBI EGG oil tanker by simply looking out your window watching tankers pass by in the Med.

Thanks for showing the extremely shallow depth of your expertise and research.

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 03:18:24 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

Why don't you post some of the amazing and revealing images you get of the cosmos from your view.

It is only stars and galaxies as far as I can see from my windows. The Black Holes are not visible. The universe has no end so the end is not visible. No, more interesting is watching the Sun rise over the horizon each morning. Photons light up the atmosphere and suddenly the edge of the Sun is above the horizon and I can see light and feel heat one AU away. But nobody can explain how the light and heat are created. You can only see and feel it.

I suppose there's no need for any institutional astronomical observation facilities or research considering we have you and your window. I also suppose that you designed your failed COULOMBI EGG oil tanker by simply looking out your window watching tankers pass by in the Med.

Thanks for showing the extremely shallow depth of your expertise and research.

Re the COULOMBI EGG (CE) oil tanker I assisted the United Nations International Maritime Organization (IMO) 1990/7 to develop new rules for safer oil tankers after the Exxon Valdez grounding/oil spill 1989. We met twice annually at London during seven years. I represented Liberia. USA wanted double hull only, but the IMO adopted better rules/ideas based on accident statistics. Put the tanker oil spill protection where the accidental damages occur, minimize outflow of oil, etc.  etc.
1997 the IMO incl. USA approved the CE as better/safer than double hull, i.e. success, and the next day USA announced that CE tankers could not enter US ports. A US oil company wanted earlier to buy the patents of the CE concept but we turned down the offer.

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 09:32:01 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 03:18:24 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

Why don't you post some of the amazing and revealing images you get of the cosmos from your view.

It is only stars and galaxies as far as I can see from my windows. The Black Holes are not visible. The universe has no end so the end is not visible. No, more interesting is watching the Sun rise over the horizon each morning. Photons light up the atmosphere and suddenly the edge of the Sun is above the horizon and I can see light and feel heat one AU away. But nobody can explain how the light and heat are created. You can only see and feel it.

I suppose there's no need for any institutional astronomical observation facilities or research considering we have you and your window. I also suppose that you designed your failed COULOMBI EGG oil tanker by simply looking out your window watching tankers pass by in the Med.

Thanks for showing the extremely shallow depth of your expertise and research.

Re the COULOMBI EGG (CE) oil tanker...blah, blah, blah...sour grapes...

We know, we know. We know all about how and why your coulombi failed. That's not the point.

The point is you seem to think you can glean everything about the cosmos by just looking out your window. Do you apply the same technique when it comes to engineering? If not, why do you think you know more than astronomical "engineers" by just looking out your window?

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 10:57:43 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 09:32:01 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 03:18:24 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

Why don't you post some of the amazing and revealing images you get of the cosmos from your view.

It is only stars and galaxies as far as I can see from my windows. The Black Holes are not visible. The universe has no end so the end is not visible. No, more interesting is watching the Sun rise over the horizon each morning. Photons light up the atmosphere and suddenly the edge of the Sun is above the horizon and I can see light and feel heat one AU away. But nobody can explain how the light and heat are created. You can only see and feel it.

I suppose there's no need for any institutional astronomical observation facilities or research considering we have you and your window. I also suppose that you designed your failed COULOMBI EGG oil tanker by simply looking out your window watching tankers pass by in the Med.

Thanks for showing the extremely shallow depth of your expertise and research.

Re the COULOMBI EGG (CE) oil tanker...blah, blah, blah...sour grapes...

We know, we know. We know all about how and why your coulombi failed. That's not the point.

The point is you seem to think you can glean everything about the cosmos by just looking out your window. Do you apply the same technique when it comes to engineering? If not, why do you think you know more than astronomical "engineers" by just looking out your window?

?? The CE was approved by the IMO 1997 and is still approved. The problem is the USA that prevents CE oil tankers to visit US ports.
My method is to observe things and draw conclusions. At the IMO 1990/7 we studied 100's of tanker collisions and groundings and associated oil spills and found that 80% of the collision spills were caused by damages only above waterline (which is only 20% of the side). Everyone agreed that the best collision protection should be above and in the waterline! The US rule to put the protection below waterline is sub-optimal!
Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 12:54:13 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 10:57:43 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 09:32:01 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 03:18:24 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

Why don't you post some of the amazing and revealing images you get of the cosmos from your view.

It is only stars and galaxies as far as I can see from my windows. The Black Holes are not visible. The universe has no end so the end is not visible. No, more interesting is watching the Sun rise over the horizon each morning. Photons light up the atmosphere and suddenly the edge of the Sun is above the horizon and I can see light and feel heat one AU away. But nobody can explain how the light and heat are created. You can only see and feel it.

I suppose there's no need for any institutional astronomical observation facilities or research considering we have you and your window. I also suppose that you designed your failed COULOMBI EGG oil tanker by simply looking out your window watching tankers pass by in the Med.

Thanks for showing the extremely shallow depth of your expertise and research.

Re the COULOMBI EGG (CE) oil tanker...blah, blah, blah...sour grapes...

We know, we know. We know all about how and why your coulombi failed. That's not the point.

The point is you seem to think you can glean everything about the cosmos by just looking out your window. Do you apply the same technique when it comes to engineering? If not, why do you think you know more than astronomical "engineers" by just looking out your window?

?? The CE was approved by the IMO 1997 and is still approved. The problem is the USA that prevents CE oil tankers to visit US ports.
My method is to observe things and draw conclusions. At the IMO 1990/7 we studied 100's of tanker collisions and groundings and associated oil spills and found that 80% of the collision spills were caused by damages only above waterline (which is only 20% of the side). Everyone agreed that the best collision protection should be above and in the waterline! The US rule to put the protection below waterline is sub-optimal!
Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

Did you study the 100's of tanker collisions by just looking out your window?

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 04:36:07 PM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 12:54:13 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 10:57:43 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 09:32:01 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 03:18:24 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

Why don't you post some of the amazing and revealing images you get of the cosmos from your view.

It is only stars and galaxies as far as I can see from my windows. The Black Holes are not visible. The universe has no end so the end is not visible. No, more interesting is watching the Sun rise over the horizon each morning. Photons light up the atmosphere and suddenly the edge of the Sun is above the horizon and I can see light and feel heat one AU away. But nobody can explain how the light and heat are created. You can only see and feel it.

I suppose there's no need for any institutional astronomical observation facilities or research considering we have you and your window. I also suppose that you designed your failed COULOMBI EGG oil tanker by simply looking out your window watching tankers pass by in the Med.

Thanks for showing the extremely shallow depth of your expertise and research.

Re the COULOMBI EGG (CE) oil tanker...blah, blah, blah...sour grapes...

We know, we know. We know all about how and why your coulombi failed. That's not the point.

The point is you seem to think you can glean everything about the cosmos by just looking out your window. Do you apply the same technique when it comes to engineering? If not, why do you think you know more than astronomical "engineers" by just looking out your window?

?? The CE was approved by the IMO 1997 and is still approved. The problem is the USA that prevents CE oil tankers to visit US ports.
My method is to observe things and draw conclusions. At the IMO 1990/7 we studied 100's of tanker collisions and groundings and associated oil spills and found that 80% of the collision spills were caused by damages only above waterline (which is only 20% of the side). Everyone agreed that the best collision protection should be above and in the waterline! The US rule to put the protection below waterline is sub-optimal!
Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

Did you study the 100's of tanker collisions by just looking out your window?

Of course not. Interested parties collected the information by observation and others including me analyzed them to better understand it. Same with cosmos. Study it by observation by humans from Earth, etc. Putting appliances in space is possible - they will always orbit Earth - but they cannot see much. Humans are better but they cannot visit space.

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 04:41:58 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 04:36:07 PM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 12:54:13 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 10:57:43 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 09:32:01 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 03:18:24 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

Why don't you post some of the amazing and revealing images you get of the cosmos from your view.

It is only stars and galaxies as far as I can see from my windows. The Black Holes are not visible. The universe has no end so the end is not visible. No, more interesting is watching the Sun rise over the horizon each morning. Photons light up the atmosphere and suddenly the edge of the Sun is above the horizon and I can see light and feel heat one AU away. But nobody can explain how the light and heat are created. You can only see and feel it.

I suppose there's no need for any institutional astronomical observation facilities or research considering we have you and your window. I also suppose that you designed your failed COULOMBI EGG oil tanker by simply looking out your window watching tankers pass by in the Med.

Thanks for showing the extremely shallow depth of your expertise and research.

Re the COULOMBI EGG (CE) oil tanker...blah, blah, blah...sour grapes...

We know, we know. We know all about how and why your coulombi failed. That's not the point.

The point is you seem to think you can glean everything about the cosmos by just looking out your window. Do you apply the same technique when it comes to engineering? If not, why do you think you know more than astronomical "engineers" by just looking out your window?

?? The CE was approved by the IMO 1997 and is still approved. The problem is the USA that prevents CE oil tankers to visit US ports.
My method is to observe things and draw conclusions. At the IMO 1990/7 we studied 100's of tanker collisions and groundings and associated oil spills and found that 80% of the collision spills were caused by damages only above waterline (which is only 20% of the side). Everyone agreed that the best collision protection should be above and in the waterline! The US rule to put the protection below waterline is sub-optimal!
Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

Did you study the 100's of tanker collisions by just looking out your window?

Of course not. Interested parties collected the information by observation and others including me analyzed them to better understand it. Same with cosmos. Study it by observation by humans from Earth, etc. Putting appliances in space is possible - they will always orbit Earth - but they cannot see much. Humans are better but they cannot visit space.

I think the mere fact that simple eyeglasses exist destroys whatever it is you think you have as an argument that humans can see better than devices.

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 08:16:25 PM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 04:41:58 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 04:36:07 PM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 12:54:13 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 10:57:43 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 09:32:01 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 03:18:24 AM

Quote from: Stash on January 21, 2022, 01:44:39 AM

Why don't you post some of the amazing and revealing images you get of the cosmos from your view.

It is only stars and galaxies as far as I can see from my windows. The Black Holes are not visible. The universe has no end so the end is not visible. No, more interesting is watching the Sun rise over the horizon each morning. Photons light up the atmosphere and suddenly the edge of the Sun is above the horizon and I can see light and feel heat one AU away. But nobody can explain how the light and heat are created. You can only see and feel it.

I suppose there's no need for any institutional astronomical observation facilities or research considering we have you and your window. I also suppose that you designed your failed COULOMBI EGG oil tanker by simply looking out your window watching tankers pass by in the Med.

Thanks for showing the extremely shallow depth of your expertise and research.

Re the COULOMBI EGG (CE) oil tanker...blah, blah, blah...sour grapes...

We know, we know. We know all about how and why your coulombi failed. That's not the point.

The point is you seem to think you can glean everything about the cosmos by just looking out your window. Do you apply the same technique when it comes to engineering? If not, why do you think you know more than astronomical "engineers" by just looking out your window?

?? The CE was approved by the IMO 1997 and is still approved. The problem is the USA that prevents CE oil tankers to visit US ports.
My method is to observe things and draw conclusions. At the IMO 1990/7 we studied 100's of tanker collisions and groundings and associated oil spills and found that 80% of the collision spills were caused by damages only above waterline (which is only 20% of the side). Everyone agreed that the best collision protection should be above and in the waterline! The US rule to put the protection below waterline is sub-optimal!
Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

Did you study the 100's of tanker collisions by just looking out your window?

Of course not. Interested parties collected the information by observation and others including me analyzed them to better understand it. Same with cosmos. Study it by observation by humans from Earth, etc. Putting appliances in space is possible - they will always orbit Earth - but they cannot see much. Humans are better but they cannot visit space.

I think the mere fact that simple eyeglasses exist destroys whatever it is you think you have as an argument that humans can see better than devices.

You mix up eye sight and observation. My daughter the MD likes to take test cell samples of her patients and study the samples using a microscope to diagnose what's wrong with the patients. Once upon a time I earned money by climbing around inside oil tankers looking for cracks, fractures, corrosion, deformations and other damages and for it you needed good eyes.

Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

You're an idiot. Viewing from Earth is shit. Light pollution, atmospheric refraction, certain wave lengths in the EM field dont reach 'your window', you aren't limited to night time viewing, or subject to the weather. You think the Hubble could have gotten us the images if it were a ground based telescope? Why doesn't every country have one then? Better yet, why doesn't everyone take out their smart phones and snap pics of the universe from their bedroom window?

Also your eyes are shit. That goes for every human. You dont have the resolution to even see our closest neighbouring star system is a trinary system. Can you even see Uranus with your eyes? Not even an eagle with it's awesome resolution could see that.

Can you see beyond the visible light spectrum and see from radio waves to gamma rays? Do you not think there is information to be learned in those spectrums that our eyes can not see?

Quit your trolling. You have failed. Not only does it make you look like a dense nitwit but it's boring too. No one believes even you believe the shit your spewing. You're just a senile old man trying to get his last laughs before you turn to dust in a box in the ground. Bravo dude. You're so cool

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 04:36:07 PM

Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

You're an idiot. Viewing from Earth is shit. Light pollution, atmospheric refraction, certain wave lengths in the EM field dont reach 'your window', you aren't limited to night time viewing, or subject to the weather. You think the Hubble could have gotten us the images if it were a ground based telescope? Why doesn't every country have one then? Better yet, why doesn't everyone take out their smart phones and snap pics of the universe from their bedroom window?

Also your eyes are shit. That goes for every human. You dont have the resolution to even see our closest neighbouring star system is a trinary system. Can you even see Uranus with your eyes? Not even an eagle with it's awesome resolution could see that.

Can you see beyond the visible light spectrum and see from radio waves to gamma rays? Do you not think there is information to be learned in those spectrums that our eyes can not see?

Quit your trolling. You have failed. Not only does it make you look like a dense nitwit but it's boring too. No one believes even you believe the shit your spewing. You're just a senile old man trying to get his last laughs before you turn to dust in a box in the ground. Bravo dude. You're so cool

I am not an idiot, but I reply anyway.
My eyes are pretty good.
I can only see visible light reflected from objects of all sorts. For other types of light I use proper instruments.
Why don't you use proper language in a discussion? Are you on drugs. Are you mentally fit. If yes, seek help from a doctor.

Quote from: Shifter on January 22, 2022, 01:13:07 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 04:36:07 PM

Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

You're an idiot. Viewing from Earth is shit. Light pollution, atmospheric refraction, certain wave lengths in the EM field dont reach 'your window', you aren't limited to night time viewing, or subject to the weather. You think the Hubble could have gotten us the images if it were a ground based telescope? Why doesn't every country have one then? Better yet, why doesn't everyone take out their smart phones and snap pics of the universe from their bedroom window?

Also your eyes are shit. That goes for every human. You dont have the resolution to even see our closest neighbouring star system is a trinary system. Can you even see Uranus with your eyes? Not even an eagle with it's awesome resolution could see that.

Can you see beyond the visible light spectrum and see from radio waves to gamma rays? Do you not think there is information to be learned in those spectrums that our eyes can not see?

Quit your trolling. You have failed. Not only does it make you look like a dense nitwit but it's boring too. No one believes even you believe the shit your spewing. You're just a senile old man trying to get his last laughs before you turn to dust in a box in the ground. Bravo dude. You're so cool

I am not an idiot, but I reply anyway.
My eyes are pretty good.
I can only see visible light reflected from objects of all sorts. For other types of light I use proper instruments.

Proper instruments. You mean like a telescope? Like the Hubble or James Webb?

Quote from: Heiwa on January 22, 2022, 04:09:59 AM

Quote from: Shifter on January 22, 2022, 01:13:07 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 04:36:07 PM

Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

You're an idiot. Viewing from Earth is shit. Light pollution, atmospheric refraction, certain wave lengths in the EM field dont reach 'your window', you aren't limited to night time viewing, or subject to the weather. You think the Hubble could have gotten us the images if it were a ground based telescope? Why doesn't every country have one then? Better yet, why doesn't everyone take out their smart phones and snap pics of the universe from their bedroom window?

Also your eyes are shit. That goes for every human. You dont have the resolution to even see our closest neighbouring star system is a trinary system. Can you even see Uranus with your eyes? Not even an eagle with it's awesome resolution could see that.

Can you see beyond the visible light spectrum and see from radio waves to gamma rays? Do you not think there is information to be learned in those spectrums that our eyes can not see?

Quit your trolling. You have failed. Not only does it make you look like a dense nitwit but it's boring too. No one believes even you believe the shit your spewing. You're just a senile old man trying to get his last laughs before you turn to dust in a box in the ground. Bravo dude. You're so cool

I am not an idiot, but I reply anyway.
My eyes are pretty good.
I can only see visible light reflected from objects of all sorts. For other types of light I use proper instruments.

Proper instruments. You mean like a telescope? Like the Hubble or James Webb?

Yes, but the telescopes on Earth are much better, bigger, stronger and solid and locally operated by humans. Space telescopes like Hubble and JWST are remotely operated by humans on Earth and are just nonsense. Hubble can just take color pictures and we haven't seen any JWST pictures yet. Worthless.

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Quote from: Heiwa on January 22, 2022, 04:09:59 AM

Quote from: Shifter on January 22, 2022, 01:13:07 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 04:36:07 PM

Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

You're an idiot. Viewing from Earth is shit. Light pollution, atmospheric refraction, certain wave lengths in the EM field dont reach 'your window', you aren't limited to night time viewing, or subject to the weather. You think the Hubble could have gotten us the images if it were a ground based telescope? Why doesn't every country have one then? Better yet, why doesn't everyone take out their smart phones and snap pics of the universe from their bedroom window?

Also your eyes are shit. That goes for every human. You dont have the resolution to even see our closest neighbouring star system is a trinary system. Can you even see Uranus with your eyes? Not even an eagle with it's awesome resolution could see that.

Can you see beyond the visible light spectrum and see from radio waves to gamma rays? Do you not think there is information to be learned in those spectrums that our eyes can not see?

Quit your trolling. You have failed. Not only does it make you look like a dense nitwit but it's boring too. No one believes even you believe the shit your spewing. You're just a senile old man trying to get his last laughs before you turn to dust in a box in the ground. Bravo dude. You're so cool

I am not an idiot, but I reply anyway.
My eyes are pretty good.
I can only see visible light reflected from objects of all sorts. For other types of light I use proper instruments.

Proper instruments. You mean like a telescope? Like the Hubble or James Webb?

Yes, but the telescopes on Earth are much better, bigger, stronger and solid and locally operated by humans. Space telescopes like Hubble and JWST are remotely operated by humans on Earth and are just nonsense. Hubble can just take color pictures and we haven't seen any JWST pictures yet. Worthless.

Idiot. Case in point.

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Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

You're an idiot. Viewing from Earth is shit. Light pollution, atmospheric refraction, certain wave lengths in the EM field dont reach 'your window', you aren't limited to night time viewing, or subject to the weather. You think the Hubble could have gotten us the images if it were a ground based telescope? Why doesn't every country have one then? Better yet, why doesn't everyone take out their smart phones and snap pics of the universe from their bedroom window?

Also your eyes are shit. That goes for every human. You dont have the resolution to even see our closest neighbouring star system is a trinary system. Can you even see Uranus with your eyes? Not even an eagle with it's awesome resolution could see that.

Can you see beyond the visible light spectrum and see from radio waves to gamma rays? Do you not think there is information to be learned in those spectrums that our eyes can not see?

Quit your trolling. You have failed. Not only does it make you look like a dense nitwit but it's boring too. No one believes even you believe the shit your spewing. You're just a senile old man trying to get his last laughs before you turn to dust in a box in the ground. Bravo dude. You're so cool

I am not an idiot, but I reply anyway.
My eyes are pretty good.
I can only see visible light reflected from objects of all sorts. For other types of light I use proper instruments.

Proper instruments. You mean like a telescope? Like the Hubble or James Webb?

Yes, but the telescopes on Earth are much better, bigger, stronger and solid and locally operated by humans. Space telescopes like Hubble and JWST are remotely operated by humans on Earth and are just nonsense. Hubble can just take color pictures and we haven't seen any JWST pictures yet. Worthless.

Idiot. Case in point.

I just want to do my own observations not relying on pictures done by others.

Quote from: Shifter on January 22, 2022, 04:35:40 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 22, 2022, 04:31:18 AM

Quote from: Shifter on January 22, 2022, 04:18:33 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 22, 2022, 04:09:59 AM

Quote from: Shifter on January 22, 2022, 01:13:07 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on January 21, 2022, 04:36:07 PM

Re cosmos I think it is be best to observe it directly from Earth. Putting expensive appliances in space to observe space  is easy to fake things.

You're an idiot. Viewing from Earth is shit. Light pollution, atmospheric refraction, certain wave lengths in the EM field dont reach 'your window', you aren't limited to night time viewing, or subject to the weather. You think the Hubble could have gotten us the images if it were a ground based telescope? Why doesn't every country have one then? Better yet, why doesn't everyone take out their smart phones and snap pics of the universe from their bedroom window?

Also your eyes are shit. That goes for every human. You dont have the resolution to even see our closest neighbouring star system is a trinary system. Can you even see Uranus with your eyes? Not even an eagle with it's awesome resolution could see that.

Can you see beyond the visible light spectrum and see from radio waves to gamma rays? Do you not think there is information to be learned in those spectrums that our eyes can not see?

Quit your trolling. You have failed. Not only does it make you look like a dense nitwit but it's boring too. No one believes even you believe the shit your spewing. You're just a senile old man trying to get his last laughs before you turn to dust in a box in the ground. Bravo dude. You're so cool

I am not an idiot, but I reply anyway.
My eyes are pretty good.
I can only see visible light reflected from objects of all sorts. For other types of light I use proper instruments.

Proper instruments. You mean like a telescope? Like the Hubble or James Webb?

Yes, but the telescopes on Earth are much better, bigger, stronger and solid and locally operated by humans. Space telescopes like Hubble and JWST are remotely operated by humans on Earth and are just nonsense. Hubble can just take color pictures and we haven't seen any JWST pictures yet. Worthless.

Idiot. Case in point.

I just want to do my own observations not relying on pictures done by others.

Good for you. Then I guess you have no business or further input in a thread like this

I really look forward of an infrared picture of a galaxy or a star or anything at the end of the Universe. I wonder what it will look like.