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Re: Curvature
« Reply #60 on: November 11, 2021, 02:22:02 PM »
But there is lots more table that we can't see beyond the car when the camera is lower you can see the end but you canít really see the part between the car and the end just wait I'll show you object with the bottom obscured on a flat surface give me some time I'm at home and I only have short distance to use atm.

I don't know why you can't see the table between the car and the end. I sure can:



You are the one who should prove to me that you can hide an object behind curvature without seeing the curvature.

Now do you see a curve?


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Re: Curvature
« Reply #61 on: November 11, 2021, 02:41:04 PM »
You are either just trolling now or lying the car does appear to look like its at the end of the table
I provided an image clearly showing that is not the case.
Can you provide one showing that the car does appear to be at the end of the table?
If not, then I am not the one lying or trolling, that is you.
There is quite clearly part of the table beyond the car.
My image proves that.
I didn't need to zoom in to see it.
I simply viewed the video at full screen like I normally watch videos.

But the point is, zooming in is not a cop out for you, because when you zoom in on a distant object, the horizon doesn't magically get further away.
Instead you still see a clear horizon with the bottom of the object obscured.

All you are doing is showing that perspective and the angle makes it take up less space. You are not showing that it magically stops being visible.
You can still see to the end of the table.
This is nothing like what is seen on Earth, where you cannot see it all, because Earth curves and blocks the view.

Remember, your claim wasn't simply that it gets smaller and you can't tell where it is.
Instead your claim was that you can't see the end of the table, and that by raising the camera you can see more of it.
That is not saying you can more easily see the end of the table. That is you claiming the end simply isn't visible when low.
More land appearing is fundamentally different to more land being easier to see.

You aren't providing anything that supports your claim that what is observed on Earth can be done with a flat surface rather than a curved one.

How do I post pictures and videos from my phone ? Only way I will be able to show you stuff I'm doing.?
I don't know. I don't use my phone here.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2021, 02:44:02 PM by JackBlack »

Re: Curvature
« Reply #62 on: November 11, 2021, 02:44:29 PM »
But there is lots more table that we can't see beyond the car when the camera is lower you can see the end but you canít really see the part between the car and the end just wait I'll show you object with the bottom obscured on a flat surface give me some time I'm at home and I only have short distance to use atm.

I don't know why you can't see the table between the car and the end. I sure can:



You are the one who should prove to me that you can hide an object behind curvature without seeing the curvature.

Now do you see a curve?


where's the part between the car and the end of the table?
Thats not curvature ,

You can even see that the earth isn't curving with the objects its just an illusion
« Last Edit: November 11, 2021, 02:46:52 PM by Notasphere »

Re: Curvature
« Reply #63 on: November 11, 2021, 02:48:07 PM »
You are either just trolling now or lying the car does appear to look like its at the end of the table
I provided an image clearly showing that is not the case.
Can you provide one showing that the car does appear to be at the end of the table?
If not, then I am not the one lying or trolling, that is you.
There is quite clearly part of the table beyond the car.
My image proves that.
I didn't need to zoom in to see it.
I simply viewed the video at full screen like I normally watch videos.

But the point is, zooming in is not a cop out for you, because when you zoom in on a distant object, the horizon doesn't magically get further away.
Instead you still see a clear horizon with the bottom of the object obscured.

All you are doing is showing that perspective and the angle makes it take up less space. You are not showing that it magically stops being visible.
You can still see to the end of the table.
This is nothing like what is seen on Earth, where you cannot see it all, because Earth curves and blocks the view.

Remember, your claim wasn't simply that it gets smaller and you can't tell where it is.
Instead your claim was that you can't see the end of the table, and that by raising the camera you can see more of it.
That is not saying you can more easily see the end of the table. That is you claiming the end simply isn't visible when low.
More land appearing is fundamentally different to more land being easier to see.

You aren't providing anything that supports your claim that what is observed on Earth can be done with a flat surface rather than a curved one.

How do I post pictures and videos from my phone ? Only way I will be able to show you stuff I'm doing.?
I don't know. I don't use my phone here.
if I can't post pictures I can't show you. Normally when I'm on a forum there will just be something I can click then insert a picture doesn't seem to be an option here so im not sure how I can show you stuff I'm trying to explain.

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #64 on: November 11, 2021, 02:50:12 PM »
where's the part between the car and the end of the table?
Between the line and the bottom of the car. Just what is so hard for you?

Again, are you expecting to see it go above the car?

Thats not curvature ,

It most certainly is. Do you notice how the end curves down, quite visibly.
The video even shows that nicely at 2:30 where you can see a straight line connecting the towers, but the towers in the distance curve down away from the line.
But with all the examples of a flat surface, you just have a straight line.

You should really try getting videos from someone other than a known conman.

if I can't post pictures I can't show you. Normally when I'm on a forum there will just be something I can click then insert a picture doesn't seem to be an option here so im not sure how I can show you stuff I'm trying to explain.
Try using a computer instead of a phone, or if your phone allows it check the "show desktop site" option.

Re: Curvature
« Reply #65 on: November 11, 2021, 02:58:43 PM »
where's the part between the car and the end of the table?
Between the line and the bottom of the car. Just what is so hard for you?

Again, are you expecting to see it go above the car?

Thats not curvature ,

It most certainly is. Do you notice how the end curves down, quite visibly.
The video even shows that nicely at 2:30 where you can see a straight line connecting the towers, but the towers in the distance curve down away from the line.
But with all the examples of a flat surface, you just have a straight line.

You should really try getting videos from someone other than a known conman.

if I can't post pictures I can't show you. Normally when I'm on a forum there will just be something I can click then insert a picture doesn't seem to be an option here so im not sure how I can show you stuff I'm trying to explain.
Try using a computer instead of a phone, or if your phone allows it check the "show desktop site" option.
I can hardly see the part in between when he raises the camera much more comes in view..

Only the ends seem to curve down while also looking very distorted while the rest don't seem to be curving it's clearly just an illusion because they are so far away. If it was curvature then all of them would be curving not just suddenly curving at the end and the earth would have to follow this path of curvature.

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #66 on: November 11, 2021, 04:09:54 PM »
where's the part between the car and the end of the table?
Between the line and the bottom of the car. Just what is so hard for you?

Again, are you expecting to see it go above the car?

Thats not curvature ,

It most certainly is. Do you notice how the end curves down, quite visibly.
The video even shows that nicely at 2:30 where you can see a straight line connecting the towers, but the towers in the distance curve down away from the line.
But with all the examples of a flat surface, you just have a straight line.

You should really try getting videos from someone other than a known conman.

if I can't post pictures I can't show you. Normally when I'm on a forum there will just be something I can click then insert a picture doesn't seem to be an option here so im not sure how I can show you stuff I'm trying to explain.
Try using a computer instead of a phone, or if your phone allows it check the "show desktop site" option.
I can hardly see the part in between when he raises the camera much more comes in view.

Maybe because you're looking on a phone. See where the arrows are and the red line? That's the back edge of the table. See where the bottom of the wheels touch the table? See how that's below the line?



Only the ends seem to curve down while also looking very distorted while the rest don't seem to be curving it's clearly just an illusion because they are so far away. If it was curvature then all of them would be curving not just suddenly curving at the end and the earth would have to follow this path of curvature.

Earth is very large. I don't see a sudden curve. Looks just as it should given the distance according to globe earth predictions:


Re: Curvature
« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2021, 04:51:39 PM »
where's the part between the car and the end of the table?
Between the line and the bottom of the car. Just what is so hard for you?

Again, are you expecting to see it go above the car?

Thats not curvature ,

It most certainly is. Do you notice how the end curves down, quite visibly.
The video even shows that nicely at 2:30 where you can see a straight line connecting the towers, but the towers in the distance curve down away from the line.
But with all the examples of a flat surface, you just have a straight line.

You should really try getting videos from someone other than a known conman.

if I can't post pictures I can't show you. Normally when I'm on a forum there will just be something I can click then insert a picture doesn't seem to be an option here so im not sure how I can show you stuff I'm trying to explain.
Try using a computer instead of a phone, or if your phone allows it check the "show desktop site" option.
I can hardly see the part in between when he raises the camera much more comes in view.

Maybe because you're looking on a phone. See where the arrows are and the red line? That's the back edge of the table. See where the bottom of the wheels touch the table? See how that's below the line?



Only the ends seem to curve down while also looking very distorted while the rest don't seem to be curving it's clearly just an illusion because they are so far away. If it was curvature then all of them would be curving not just suddenly curving at the end and the earth would have to follow this path of curvature.

Earth is very large. I don't see a sudden curve. Looks just as it should given the distance according to globe earth predictions:


yes I can see what you are saying but im saying without it zoomed in when the camera is lower it looks like the car is at the end of the table zooming in gives a clearer view but even when zoomed in its difficult to make out the distance between the car and the end of the table when camera is raised it comes obvious there's a good distance between the two.

Earth would also have to follow the path of curvature with the objects,  that diagram can't really be used because on earth we have atmospheric conditions which create different effects. Also if that is them really going over a curvature then what about when we raise altitude wouldn't we see them clearly over a curve? I bet from that location where the picture was taken if the camera stayed in the same place but raised altitude it would become obvious they ain't going over a curvature they would just be all level with eachother like in that video I posted with the bottles. 

To be honest I feel like I can't carry on this debate if I can't post pictures or my videos to try and show you .

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2021, 05:36:21 PM »
where's the part between the car and the end of the table?
Between the line and the bottom of the car. Just what is so hard for you?

Again, are you expecting to see it go above the car?

Thats not curvature ,

It most certainly is. Do you notice how the end curves down, quite visibly.
The video even shows that nicely at 2:30 where you can see a straight line connecting the towers, but the towers in the distance curve down away from the line.
But with all the examples of a flat surface, you just have a straight line.

You should really try getting videos from someone other than a known conman.

if I can't post pictures I can't show you. Normally when I'm on a forum there will just be something I can click then insert a picture doesn't seem to be an option here so im not sure how I can show you stuff I'm trying to explain.
Try using a computer instead of a phone, or if your phone allows it check the "show desktop site" option.
I can hardly see the part in between when he raises the camera much more comes in view.

Maybe because you're looking on a phone. See where the arrows are and the red line? That's the back edge of the table. See where the bottom of the wheels touch the table? See how that's below the line?



Only the ends seem to curve down while also looking very distorted while the rest don't seem to be curving it's clearly just an illusion because they are so far away. If it was curvature then all of them would be curving not just suddenly curving at the end and the earth would have to follow this path of curvature.

Earth is very large. I don't see a sudden curve. Looks just as it should given the distance according to globe earth predictions:


yes I can see what you are saying but im saying without it zoomed in when the camera is lower it looks like the car is at the end of the table zooming in gives a clearer view but even when zoomed in its difficult to make out the distance between the car and the end of the table when camera is raised it comes obvious there's a good distance between the two.

You can clearly see the end of the table is above where the wheels touch the surface. I don't know why you're having such a problem with this.

Earth would also have to follow the path of curvature with the objects,  that diagram can't really be used because on earth we have atmospheric conditions which create different effects. Also if that is them really going over a curvature then what about when we raise altitude wouldn't we see them clearly over a curve? I bet from that location where the picture was taken if the camera stayed in the same place but raised altitude it would become obvious they ain't going over a curvature they would just be all level with eachother like in that video I posted with the bottles. 

I raised to the camera to 25 meters instead of 2. And you can clearly see the targets going over the curve:



Same 25 meter camera height with what's considered severe atmospheric refraction (.6994):



For good measure here's the original back down at the 2 meter observer height with the severe atmospheric refraction (.6994) applied:



To be honest I feel like I can't carry on this debate if I can't post pictures or my videos to try and show you .

Everyone else has seemed to figure out how to post pics and videos. It's the same on every forum. If something that basic is that hard for you to figure out I don't put a lot of stock into your technical/scientific/reasoning acumen. It also makes me think you really don't have anything worthwhile to share. Especially based upon what you have shared so far. I mean bottles and toy cars on a table?

Re: Curvature
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2021, 06:00:01 PM »
where's the part between the car and the end of the table?
Between the line and the bottom of the car. Just what is so hard for you?

Again, are you expecting to see it go above the car?

Thats not curvature ,

It most certainly is. Do you notice how the end curves down, quite visibly.
The video even shows that nicely at 2:30 where you can see a straight line connecting the towers, but the towers in the distance curve down away from the line.
But with all the examples of a flat surface, you just have a straight line.

You should really try getting videos from someone other than a known conman.

if I can't post pictures I can't show you. Normally when I'm on a forum there will just be something I can click then insert a picture doesn't seem to be an option here so im not sure how I can show you stuff I'm trying to explain.
Try using a computer instead of a phone, or if your phone allows it check the "show desktop site" option.
I can hardly see the part in between when he raises the camera much more comes in view.

Maybe because you're looking on a phone. See where the arrows are and the red line? That's the back edge of the table. See where the bottom of the wheels touch the table? See how that's below the line?



Only the ends seem to curve down while also looking very distorted while the rest don't seem to be curving it's clearly just an illusion because they are so far away. If it was curvature then all of them would be curving not just suddenly curving at the end and the earth would have to follow this path of curvature.

Earth is very large. I don't see a sudden curve. Looks just as it should given the distance according to globe earth predictions:


yes I can see what you are saying but im saying without it zoomed in when the camera is lower it looks like the car is at the end of the table zooming in gives a clearer view but even when zoomed in its difficult to make out the distance between the car and the end of the table when camera is raised it comes obvious there's a good distance between the two.

You can clearly see the end of the table is above where the wheels touch the surface. I don't know why you're having such a problem with this.

Earth would also have to follow the path of curvature with the objects,  that diagram can't really be used because on earth we have atmospheric conditions which create different effects. Also if that is them really going over a curvature then what about when we raise altitude wouldn't we see them clearly over a curve? I bet from that location where the picture was taken if the camera stayed in the same place but raised altitude it would become obvious they ain't going over a curvature they would just be all level with eachother like in that video I posted with the bottles. 

I raised to the camera to 25 meters instead of 2. And you can clearly see the targets going over the curve:



Same 25 meter camera height with what's considered severe atmospheric refraction (.6994):



For good measure here's the original back down at the 2 meter observer height with the severe atmospheric refraction (.6994) applied:



To be honest I feel like I can't carry on this debate if I can't post pictures or my videos to try and show you .

Everyone else has seemed to figure out how to post pics and videos. It's the same on every forum. If something that basic is that hard for you to figure out I don't put a lot of stock into your technical/scientific/reasoning acumen. It also makes me think you really don't have anything worthwhile to share. Especially based upon what you have shared so far. I mean bottles and toy cars on a table?
here's a lesson on perspective.

I want you to visualise something,  you need to understand how perspective works though you need to understand how the ground seems to go upwards I'm sure you know this? Like go to one side of your room then look to the other side see how it looks like the floor ramps upwards? And how this happens out at sea when looking towards the horizon? OK, so imagine two people standing in the exact same line on a flat surface let's say they are 3 miles apart, both are looking in each others direction from person a perspective the ground is appearing to ramp upwards now from person b perspective the ground is also appearing to ramp upwards this ramping effect is what hides objects on a flat surface,  I would show you a diagram but I can't post it on here. You could quickly draw a diagram showing this and you should see what I mean . Just draw a straight line representing the earth then on one side draw person a and the other side person b then draw lines from each person perspective showing this ramping effect what do you get ?

Me not being able to post pictures or videos has nothing to do with my intelligence or anything to do with how smart I am this website is just poorly made there is literally no option for me to click on to post stuff any other website all I do is click insert image there ain't no option on here.

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2021, 06:11:42 PM »
Sorry to burst your bubble, but light can bend upwards and downwards and a single photo is not demonstration of anything.


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Re: Curvature
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2021, 08:40:00 PM »
where's the part between the car and the end of the table?
Between the line and the bottom of the car. Just what is so hard for you?

Again, are you expecting to see it go above the car?

Thats not curvature ,

It most certainly is. Do you notice how the end curves down, quite visibly.
The video even shows that nicely at 2:30 where you can see a straight line connecting the towers, but the towers in the distance curve down away from the line.
But with all the examples of a flat surface, you just have a straight line.

You should really try getting videos from someone other than a known conman.

if I can't post pictures I can't show you. Normally when I'm on a forum there will just be something I can click then insert a picture doesn't seem to be an option here so im not sure how I can show you stuff I'm trying to explain.
Try using a computer instead of a phone, or if your phone allows it check the "show desktop site" option.
I can hardly see the part in between when he raises the camera much more comes in view.

Maybe because you're looking on a phone. See where the arrows are and the red line? That's the back edge of the table. See where the bottom of the wheels touch the table? See how that's below the line?



Only the ends seem to curve down while also looking very distorted while the rest don't seem to be curving it's clearly just an illusion because they are so far away. If it was curvature then all of them would be curving not just suddenly curving at the end and the earth would have to follow this path of curvature.

Earth is very large. I don't see a sudden curve. Looks just as it should given the distance according to globe earth predictions:


yes I can see what you are saying but im saying without it zoomed in when the camera is lower it looks like the car is at the end of the table zooming in gives a clearer view but even when zoomed in its difficult to make out the distance between the car and the end of the table when camera is raised it comes obvious there's a good distance between the two.

You can clearly see the end of the table is above where the wheels touch the surface. I don't know why you're having such a problem with this.

Earth would also have to follow the path of curvature with the objects,  that diagram can't really be used because on earth we have atmospheric conditions which create different effects. Also if that is them really going over a curvature then what about when we raise altitude wouldn't we see them clearly over a curve? I bet from that location where the picture was taken if the camera stayed in the same place but raised altitude it would become obvious they ain't going over a curvature they would just be all level with eachother like in that video I posted with the bottles. 

I raised to the camera to 25 meters instead of 2. And you can clearly see the targets going over the curve:



Same 25 meter camera height with what's considered severe atmospheric refraction (.6994):



For good measure here's the original back down at the 2 meter observer height with the severe atmospheric refraction (.6994) applied:



To be honest I feel like I can't carry on this debate if I can't post pictures or my videos to try and show you .

Everyone else has seemed to figure out how to post pics and videos. It's the same on every forum. If something that basic is that hard for you to figure out I don't put a lot of stock into your technical/scientific/reasoning acumen. It also makes me think you really don't have anything worthwhile to share. Especially based upon what you have shared so far. I mean bottles and toy cars on a table?
here's a lesson on perspective.

I watched it. He finally starts to make a point around the 28 minute mark and then doesn't. All he is saying is that things appear smaller the further away they are from you. That is perspective. Pretty much everyone with half a brain gets that.

He even uses data from a video that calculated in favor of a globe earth. All he said was things get smaller. Nothing about obscuring bottom up or anything. I literally have no idea what point he was even attempting to make.

I want you to visualise something,  you need to understand how perspective works though you need to understand how the ground seems to go upwards I'm sure you know this? Like go to one side of your room then look to the other side see how it looks like the floor ramps upwards? And how this happens out at sea when looking towards the horizon? OK, so imagine two people standing in the exact same line on a flat surface let's say they are 3 miles apart, both are looking in each others direction from person a perspective the ground is appearing to ramp upwards now from person b perspective the ground is also appearing to ramp upwards this ramping effect is what hides objects on a flat surface,  I would show you a diagram but I can't post it on here. You could quickly draw a diagram showing this and you should see what I mean . Just draw a straight line representing the earth then on one side draw person a and the other side person b then draw lines from each person perspective showing this ramping effect what do you get ?

The floor ramping upwards (or ceiling ramping down) doesn't mean anything in terms of objects being obscured by a horizon partially or in their entirety from the bottom up.

Me not being able to post pictures or videos has nothing to do with my intelligence or anything to do with how smart I am this website is just poorly made there is literally no option for me to click on to post stuff any other website all I do is click insert image there ain't no option on here.

Most forums do not host content. Twitter, insta, youtube, etc., you upload content to their servers. Forums link out to content hosted elsewhere.

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #72 on: November 12, 2021, 03:03:43 AM »
Sorry to burst your bubble, but light can bend upwards and downwards and a single photo is not demonstration of anything.
Light bends upwards under rare conditions.
All that video shows is light bending downwards, or bending downwards more.

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #73 on: November 12, 2021, 03:25:50 AM »
I can hardly see the part in between when he raises the camera much more comes in view..
You mean you can see it, but it appears quite small.

Again, the important part is that it is there and visible. It is not hidden and the bottom of the car is not hidden.

Only the ends seem to curve down
This just shows you don't seem to understand how curvature or perspective works.

The close ones are close, and so the spacing between them takes up a large angular size.
They are also only a short distance away, so the effect of curvature is negligible.

The far away ones are much further away, so the spacing between them takes up a smaller angular size.
They are also much further away, where the curvature is more significant.

Those 2 effects combined mean that

it's clearly just an illusion because they are so far away.
No, it isn't, because being far away doesn't magically make things appear lower.
Why should perspective suddenly magically make things appear to sink?

In order for it to be an illusion with Earth being flat, you need something which changes with distance in a manner to turn a straight line into a curve, and perspective simply doesn't do that. Perspective keeps straight lines straight.

But curvature explains it quite well.

If it was curvature then all of them would be curving not just suddenly curving at the end and the earth would have to follow this path of curvature.
They are all curving, it is just the curvature is so small it takes quite a while for it to become noticeable.

Stop just asserting baseless nonsense because you don't like Earth being round. Try justifying it.

but im saying without it zoomed in when the camera is lower it looks like the car is at the end of the table zooming in gives a clearer view
Which is just you dishonestly continuing to deflect from the actual issue.
The issue is that the end of the table is visible.
Zooming in doesn't magically push the horizon further away.
So this in no way replicates what is observed on Earth.
And that means your claim that you can replicate what is observed on the ocean on a flat surface is a blatant lie.

Earth would also have to follow the path of curvature with the objects
And it does. That is why the base of the objects are obscured. Because Earth has curved down. You can't see it because Earth obstructs your view.

What you are doing is effectively claiming a hill can't be a hill because you can't see the other side of it.
Also if that is them really going over a curvature then what about when we raise altitude wouldn't we see them clearly over a curve?
In what way?

To be honest I feel like I can't carry on this debate if I can't post pictures or my videos to try and show you .
You could try being honest and try to justify your claims with logic and math rather than just continually asserting them.

What definitely doesn't work is linking to a bunch of videos which directly contradict your claims and don't help address the issues raised; nor does treating us like idiots.
I want you to visualise something,  you need to understand how perspective works
We know how perspective works. You need to understand how it works and stop pretending it magically does things which it is physically impossible for it to do, which you can't replicate.

Perspective is quite simple, parallel lines converge at a point infinitely far away. The further away something is the smaller it is.
It doesn't magically make things sink, nor does it make straight lines curve.

though you need to understand how the ground seems to go upwards
And the bottom of all the objects are going up with it.
Notice how it doesn't just magically stop going up and instead start to go down?
That means it can't hide the bottom.

You could quickly draw a diagram showing this and you should see what I mean . Just draw a straight line representing the earth then on one side draw person a and the other side person b then draw lines from each person perspective showing this ramping effect what do you get ?
You would get an extremely dishonest diagram where you pretend this purely visual effect of perspective occurs physically to physically alter the ground.

Here is an example more honestly comparing the 2:

The solid lines are the physical height. Notice how the ground isn't physically going up?
The dotted line is the angular position.
For a FE, it never gets to the point where it obstructs thing further away.
Also notice how the angular position matches quite well for the FE and the RE until you get to the horizon (notice the very small size used for the scale on the right).

Here is an example of the angular position for a FE (although at the range this was showing it wouldn't matter):

The tree gets smaller, but the bottom is still on the ground, and still visible.

Me not being able to post pictures or videos has nothing to do with my intelligence or anything to do with how smart I am this website is just poorly made there is literally no option for me to click on to post stuff any other website all I do is click insert image there ain't no option on here.
Do you mean you didn't realise you can't upload images here and instead you need to upload them to a site like imgur and then post the embed code?
I have checked on my phone and the layout seems the same.

Re: Curvature
« Reply #74 on: November 12, 2021, 06:04:30 AM »
Sorry to burst your bubble, but light can bend upwards and downwards and a single photo is not demonstration of anything.



This image is:


Re: Curvature
« Reply #75 on: November 12, 2021, 06:12:50 AM »
where's the part between the car and the end of the table?
Between the line and the bottom of the car. Just what is so hard for you?

Again, are you expecting to see it go above the car?

Thats not curvature ,

It most certainly is. Do you notice how the end curves down, quite visibly.
The video even shows that nicely at 2:30 where you can see a straight line connecting the towers, but the towers in the distance curve down away from the line.
But with all the examples of a flat surface, you just have a straight line.

You should really try getting videos from someone other than a known conman.

if I can't post pictures I can't show you. Normally when I'm on a forum there will just be something I can click then insert a picture doesn't seem to be an option here so im not sure how I can show you stuff I'm trying to explain.
Try using a computer instead of a phone, or if your phone allows it check the "show desktop site" option.
I can hardly see the part in between when he raises the camera much more comes in view.

Maybe because you're looking on a phone. See where the arrows are and the red line? That's the back edge of the table. See where the bottom of the wheels touch the table? See how that's below the line?



Only the ends seem to curve down while also looking very distorted while the rest don't seem to be curving it's clearly just an illusion because they are so far away. If it was curvature then all of them would be curving not just suddenly curving at the end and the earth would have to follow this path of curvature.

Earth is very large. I don't see a sudden curve. Looks just as it should given the distance according to globe earth predictions:


yes I can see what you are saying but im saying without it zoomed in when the camera is lower it looks like the car is at the end of the table zooming in gives a clearer view but even when zoomed in its difficult to make out the distance between the car and the end of the table when camera is raised it comes obvious there's a good distance between the two.

You can clearly see the end of the table is above where the wheels touch the surface. I don't know why you're having such a problem with this.

Earth would also have to follow the path of curvature with the objects,  that diagram can't really be used because on earth we have atmospheric conditions which create different effects. Also if that is them really going over a curvature then what about when we raise altitude wouldn't we see them clearly over a curve? I bet from that location where the picture was taken if the camera stayed in the same place but raised altitude it would become obvious they ain't going over a curvature they would just be all level with eachother like in that video I posted with the bottles. 

I raised to the camera to 25 meters instead of 2. And you can clearly see the targets going over the curve:



Same 25 meter camera height with what's considered severe atmospheric refraction (.6994):



For good measure here's the original back down at the 2 meter observer height with the severe atmospheric refraction (.6994) applied:



To be honest I feel like I can't carry on this debate if I can't post pictures or my videos to try and show you .

Everyone else has seemed to figure out how to post pics and videos. It's the same on every forum. If something that basic is that hard for you to figure out I don't put a lot of stock into your technical/scientific/reasoning acumen. It also makes me think you really don't have anything worthwhile to share. Especially based upon what you have shared so far. I mean bottles and toy cars on a table?
here's a lesson on perspective.

I watched it. He finally starts to make a point around the 28 minute mark and then doesn't. All he is saying is that things appear smaller the further away they are from you. That is perspective. Pretty much everyone with half a brain gets that.

He even uses data from a video that calculated in favor of a globe earth. All he said was things get smaller. Nothing about obscuring bottom up or anything. I literally have no idea what point he was even attempting to make.

I want you to visualise something,  you need to understand how perspective works though you need to understand how the ground seems to go upwards I'm sure you know this? Like go to one side of your room then look to the other side see how it looks like the floor ramps upwards? And how this happens out at sea when looking towards the horizon? OK, so imagine two people standing in the exact same line on a flat surface let's say they are 3 miles apart, both are looking in each others direction from person a perspective the ground is appearing to ramp upwards now from person b perspective the ground is also appearing to ramp upwards this ramping effect is what hides objects on a flat surface,  I would show you a diagram but I can't post it on here. You could quickly draw a diagram showing this and you should see what I mean . Just draw a straight line representing the earth then on one side draw person a and the other side person b then draw lines from each person perspective showing this ramping effect what do you get ?

The floor ramping upwards (or ceiling ramping down) doesn't mean anything in terms of objects being obscured by a horizon partially or in their entirety from the bottom up.

Me not being able to post pictures or videos has nothing to do with my intelligence or anything to do with how smart I am this website is just poorly made there is literally no option for me to click on to post stuff any other website all I do is click insert image there ain't no option on here.

Most forums do not host content. Twitter, insta, youtube, etc., you upload content to their servers. Forums link out to content hosted elsewhere.
draw a diagram like I said and it becomes obvious objects can be blocked.

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #76 on: November 12, 2021, 06:34:16 AM »
draw a diagram like I said and it becomes obvious objects can be blocked.

I've provided plenty of diagrams. You need to draw one and try and show what you're talking about. Because your guy on the video made no sense other than things get smaller the further away they are from you. The same for the bottles and toy car videos. And those and your description makes no sense in terms of how perspective obscures from the bottom up.

Re: Curvature
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2021, 08:54:52 AM »
draw a diagram like I said and it becomes obvious objects can be blocked.

I've provided plenty of diagrams. You need to draw one and try and show what you're talking about. Because your guy on the video made no sense other than things get smaller the further away they are from you. The same for the bottles and toy car videos. And those and your description makes no sense in terms of how perspective obscures from the bottom up.
like I said I can't post pictures

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2021, 09:56:12 AM »
draw a diagram like I said and it becomes obvious objects can be blocked.

I've provided plenty of diagrams. You need to draw one and try and show what you're talking about. Because your guy on the video made no sense other than things get smaller the further away they are from you. The same for the bottles and toy car videos. And those and your description makes no sense in terms of how perspective obscures from the bottom up.
like I said I can't post pictures

Well then you have no evidence of what you're talking about.

I can post pictures and so can everyone else. Sounds like a personal problem that you alone out of everyone can't figure out how to do so.

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2021, 01:13:43 PM »
draw a diagram like I said and it becomes obvious objects can be blocked.
I did draw a diagram, which clearly showed that it can't be blocked on a FE.

You are falsely claiming that perspective is an effect which occurs physically, where far away objects physically get smaller and the ground physically gets higher, to then pretend it can be blocked.
But in reality, perspective is a visual effect. It makes things appear smaller, but it doesn't block objects. You need Earth to curve for that.

It is a simple fact that perspective makes things smaller, rather than magically hiding the bottom.

like I said I can't post pictures
Like I said, upload it elsewhere, and copy the embed code.
Stop making excuses for why you can't defend your false claims.

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2021, 02:54:47 PM »
draw a diagram like I said and it becomes obvious objects can be blocked.

I've provided plenty of diagrams. You need to draw one and try and show what you're talking about. Because your guy on the video made no sense other than things get smaller the further away they are from you. The same for the bottles and toy car videos. And those and your description makes no sense in terms of how perspective obscures from the bottom up.
like I said I can't post pictures
Bullcrap.  Pretty pathetic trying to claim you can't post pictures.  The mobile version of this site works fine.  I'm on a phone right now. 

Re: Curvature
« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2021, 06:19:38 PM »
draw a diagram like I said and it becomes obvious objects can be blocked.
I did draw a diagram, which clearly showed that it can't be blocked on a FE.

You are falsely claiming that perspective is an effect which occurs physically, where far away objects physically get smaller and the ground physically gets higher, to then pretend it can be blocked.
But in reality, perspective is a visual effect. It makes things appear smaller, but it doesn't block objects. You need Earth to curve for that.

It is a simple fact that perspective makes things smaller, rather than magically hiding the bottom.

like I said I can't post pictures
Like I said, upload it elsewhere, and copy the embed code.
Stop making excuses for why you can't defend your false claims.
post the diagram

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2021, 06:40:47 PM »
post the diagram
Why don't you?

Here are the ones I posted before, first one showing the physical height and the angular height as a function of the distance from the observer based upon a RE and a FE, with the observer eyes 2 m above the ground.

The solid line is the physical height.
For an observer to see an object, you need to be able to draw a line from that 0 point on the y axis, to the object. Notice how there is no way for the solid red line to obstruct such a line and block the vision?

This can also be considered with angular position, but now instead of the observer being a point at 0, they are instead the entire left side. In order to be able to block the view the dotted red line needs to block a horizontal line from the left axis to the object. Again, this is impossible for anything above the red line.

There is simply no way to have perspective magically cause the bottom to be obscured.

But for a RE, as it curves, it can be obscured, with the first point being around 5 km from the observer, which is easiest to see with the dotted line showing angular position.


And here is another diagram:

showing a distant object appearing smaller due to that distance.
But this is only the case, for the observer.


And just to be nice, is this the dishonest garbage you want to present to try to back up your outright lie of perspective magically hiding the bottom?

The black line is a flat surface.
But you want to claim the red person sees it as the pink line instead.
You then want to claim that the purple stick, standing on the ground, has a large section hidden because its below the pink line. The section indicated by the statement starting with "lets lie".
But for this angular view, the purple line would be effect as well, and instead it would appear as the blue line, WITH NOTHNG HIDDEN!

The sheer stupidity of such an idea can be seen by considering the green line just in front of you. If your blatant lie was true, you wouldn't be able to see an object sitting on the ground 1 m in front of you.

Re: Curvature
« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2021, 06:52:38 PM »
like I said I can't post pictures

You think the earth is flat. And you can't post pictures.

Makes sense.

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2021, 09:17:37 PM »
like I said I can't post pictures

You think the earth is flat. And you can't post pictures.

Makes sense.
Just another liar.  Oh they can prove the Earth is flat but "insert pathetic excuse why they can't show said proof here".

Re: Curvature
« Reply #85 on: November 13, 2021, 01:16:30 AM »
like I said I can't post pictures

You think the earth is flat. And you can't post pictures.

Makes sense.
Just another liar.  Oh they can prove the Earth is flat but "insert pathetic excuse why they can't show said proof here".

Come on guys.

We have a new member who seems to want to engage with some classic flat earth arguments. Can we not jump straight to accusations of being a troll or a liar, and give him/her the benefit of the doubt?

Posting your own pictures is a bit of a faff here, as you have to upload to another site first, which might not be obvious to everyone not used to how it works.

As for this:

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Really?  You expect that graph to help?

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Re: Curvature
« Reply #86 on: November 13, 2021, 02:07:59 AM »
We have a new member who seems to want to engage with some classic flat earth arguments. Can we not jump straight to accusations of being a troll or a liar, and give him/her the benefit of the doubt?
We didn't jump straight to it.
That only started after quite some time, with them outright rejecting what is quite clear in the videos they are posting, ignoring what is being said, and arguing against strawmen.

Really?  You expect that graph to help?
If he is acting like the ground magically rises up to obscure distant objects, it should help.
If they are just a troll, it wont.

Re: Curvature
« Reply #87 on: November 13, 2021, 07:07:50 AM »
post the diagram
Why don't you?

Here are the ones I posted before, first one showing the physical height and the angular height as a function of the distance from the observer based upon a RE and a FE, with the observer eyes 2 m above the ground.

The solid line is the physical height.
For an observer to see an object, you need to be able to draw a line from that 0 point on the y axis, to the object. Notice how there is no way for the solid red line to obstruct such a line and block the vision?

This can also be considered with angular position, but now instead of the observer being a point at 0, they are instead the entire left side. In order to be able to block the view the dotted red line needs to block a horizontal line from the left axis to the object. Again, this is impossible for anything above the red line.

There is simply no way to have perspective magically cause the bottom to be obscured.

But for a RE, as it curves, it can be obscured, with the first point being around 5 km from the observer, which is easiest to see with the dotted line showing angular position.


And here is another diagram:

showing a distant object appearing smaller due to that distance.
But this is only the case, for the observer.


And just to be nice, is this the dishonest garbage you want to present to try to back up your outright lie of perspective magically hiding the bottom?

The black line is a flat surface.
But you want to claim the red person sees it as the pink line instead.
You then want to claim that the purple stick, standing on the ground, has a large section hidden because its below the pink line. The section indicated by the statement starting with "lets lie".
But for this angular view, the purple line would be effect as well, and instead it would appear as the blue line, WITH NOTHNG HIDDEN!

The sheer stupidity of such an idea can be seen by considering the green line just in front of you. If your blatant lie was true, you wouldn't be able to see an object sitting on the ground 1 m in front of you.
https://imgur.com/a/ZUC7KKx like this see how as earth appears to rise upwards it will block objects in the far distance 

Re: Curvature
« Reply #88 on: November 13, 2021, 07:42:19 AM »

https://imgur.com/a/ZUC7KKx like this see how as earth appears to rise upwards it will block objects in the far distance
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HaHaHa sure. The earth rises but doesn't take the structure being viewed with it. If you're going to make up stuff, you have to make up better stuff.

Re: Curvature
« Reply #89 on: November 13, 2021, 07:46:23 AM »

https://imgur.com/a/ZUC7KKx like this see how as earth appears to rise upwards it will block objects in the far distance
HaHaHa sure. The earth rises but doesn't take the structure being viewed with it. If you're going to make up stuff, you have to make up better stuff.
[/quote]Because we can only see so far do you think we have eyes like superman? If we can only see so far how can we see land rise up if we can't even see it? For instance if our eyes can only see 3 miles then we would only see 3 miles of land rise up . You also have other factors such as atmospheric conditions.
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