Americans being Americans

Calen something tells me you are not American so this might be why you don't understand how different American states are when it comes to restrictions and other policies. I live in Chicago where restrictions were and still remain pretty strict and I have ventured into many red Southern states in 2020 and 2021 and I found a lot less restrictions there.  If you guys live in some alternate universe where this doesn't happen then more power to you. I know you guys are lazy but all you need to do is visit different states websites and read what the restrictions are and what masks and vaccine mandates are and you will instantly realize that blue states have a lot more restrictions. Jesus Christ guys do I really have to tell you this? Is this news?

By the way Utah is not as Conservative as Texas or other Southern states, I lived in Vegas before and frequently visited Utah, its majority Mormons and although Mormons vote Republican they always had lots of restrictions  there even before Covid, one such restriction was of course low percentage of alcohol in beer. Well of course Utah fell for Covid, the state is restrictive to begin with.

The thing telling you that I'm not American is the part where I say I'm in the UK.

Again, your post doesn't tell me why Liberals want restrictions to carry on indefinitely as you seem to think. It is an ad nauseam repetition of the current state of restrictions in the US, that tells me nothing that I haven't already learnt or read elsewhere. Saying red states have less restrictions than blue states doesn't tell me why, only the status quo.

So, again, why would Liberals want restrictions to carry on indefinitely? 

Because Liberals  love big government Calen. Liberals will do anything if it benefits the collective and Liberals believe that restrictions will protect us from Covid because Liberals believe the government savvy?

And repugnicans love authoritarian dictators. So take your pick, yank

Because Liberals  love big government Calen. Liberals will do anything if it benefits the collective and Liberals believe that restrictions will protect us from Covid because Liberals believe the government savvy?

Again, you conflate two distinct things.  Believing in the idea of "big government" is not the same as 'believing the government."

You, sir, with all respect, are a hypocrite.  You regularly accuse myself, and other liberal thinkers, of believing everything we're told by the government and education system without investing the truth.  You appear to do much the same, parroting standard right-wing "facts" about liberals without ever having seemed to find out what we actually believe.

No sir I do know exactly what you guys believe and you cannot refute me anymore without call me a hypocrete. I don't care what you call me Calen or what you think of me and I can tell you what you told me and that is "You don't know me" So shut the fuck up

No sir I do know exactly what you guys believe and you cannot refute me anymore without call me a hypocrete.

How do you know what Calen or I actually believe? And if you weren't hypocritical and make things up all of the time I wouldn't refer to you as hypocritical and making things up all of the time. But your track record is pretty clear. You're all over the place and contradict yourself endlessly. It's quite amusing really.

Quote from: New Earth on November 11, 2021, 09:45:41 PM

Trolllololololol

How do you know what Calen or I actually believe? And if you weren't hypocritical and make things up all of the time I wouldn't refer to you as hypocritical and making things up all of the time. But your track record is pretty clear. You're all over the place and contradict yourself endlessly. It's quite amusing really.

It's because he's a troll. Wouldn't surprise me if it's just that lackless/legba moron. Could even be that Pete guy from the other forum. Nothing would surprise me

No sir I do know exactly what you guys believe and you cannot refute me anymore without call me a hypocrete. I don't care what you call me Calen or what you think of me and I can tell you what you told me and that is "You don't know me" So shut the fuck up

OK then, tell me what you know about my beliefs.  You seem so sure you know exactly what I believe and my values, so please, enlighten me.

Alexei shut up you Communist troll. First let me make something clear about Disney World. Disney is in Orlando and the mayor of Orland is a liberal democrat so yes he enforces masks. The Governor of Florida De Santos is a republican and he was always against masks, he actually told Disney not to listen to Orlando mayor but Disney being a liberal company that it is, went to with their fellow liberal mayor and his mandates. Why is this so hard for you to understand Calen?

I do not care how you personally feel about restrictions because you are not in politics and you are not running the show, I'm simply telling you that Conservative states meaning states with Republican governors and mayors put a lot less restrictions then Liberal states. DO you understand?

And if you or your friends as  you said accepted the necessaties of these restrictions then you are indeed against freedom and no better then left wing lunatics who created these restrictions for us.

Vaxx research is aided by SCIENCE!
Anti vaxx research is aided by THE INTERNET!

I don't know anything about your beliefs Calen other then what you post here and thus far you demonstrated yourself to be a liberal who is brainwashed by science, I call it how I see it. You come from the same mindset as Jack Black, Stash, Shitster, Kabool and few others.

I don't know anything about your beliefs Calen other then what you post here and thus far you demonstrated yourself to be a liberal who is brainwashed by science, I call it how I see it. You come from the same mindset as Jack Black, Stash, Shitster, Kabool and few others.

Plague enthusiast.
You're brainwashed like Heiwa.

Quote from: New Earth on November 12, 2021, 10:42:21 AM

I don't know anything about your beliefs Calen other then what you post here and thus far you demonstrated yourself to be a liberal who is brainwashed by science, I call it how I see it. You come from the same mindset as Jack Black, Stash, Shitster, Kabool and few others.

Plague enthusiast.
You're brainwashed like Heiwa.

You need to get off these forums and shut the fuck up before you get banned for low content.

Quote from: Alexei on November 12, 2021, 10:50:54 AM

Quote from: New Earth on November 12, 2021, 10:42:21 AM

I don't know anything about your beliefs Calen other then what you post here and thus far you demonstrated yourself to be a liberal who is brainwashed by science, I call it how I see it. You come from the same mindset as Jack Black, Stash, Shitster, Kabool and few others.

Plague enthusiast.
You're brainwashed like Heiwa.

You need to get off these forums and shut the fuck up before you get banned for low content.

For a person who hates me, you took the time to post.

Quote from: Alexei on November 12, 2021, 10:50:54 AM

Quote from: New Earth on November 12, 2021, 10:42:21 AM

I don't know anything about your beliefs Calen other then what you post here and thus far you demonstrated yourself to be a liberal who is brainwashed by science, I call it how I see it. You come from the same mindset as Jack Black, Stash, Shitster, Kabool and few others.

Plague enthusiast.
You're brainwashed like Heiwa.

You need to get off these forums and shut the f**k up before you get banned for low content.

Take your foul language, off topic low content BS to the angry ranting. Mmmkay?

Quote from: New Earth on November 12, 2021, 11:06:36 AM

Quote from: Alexei on November 12, 2021, 10:50:54 AM

Quote from: New Earth on November 12, 2021, 10:42:21 AM

I don't know anything about your beliefs Calen other then what you post here and thus far you demonstrated yourself to be a liberal who is brainwashed by science, I call it how I see it. You come from the same mindset as Jack Black, Stash, Shitster, Kabool and few others.

Plague enthusiast.
You're brainwashed like Heiwa.

You need to get off these forums and shut the f**k up before you get banned for low content.

Take your foul language, off topic low content BS to the angry ranting. Mmmkay?

New earth is the reason the black plague spreaded.

I don't know anything about your beliefs Calen other then what you post here and thus far you demonstrated yourself to be a liberal who is brainwashed by science, I call it how I see it. You come from the same mindset as Jack Black, Stash, Shitster, Kabool and few others.

I can't attest to the mindset of the others, as I have not had enough time or interaction with them to form an opinion.

And that sums up my mindset.

I like to take my time, and inspect both sides of an argument and am equally interested in hearing both sides. I want to hear other people's views and opinions, and enjoy hearing their reasons.  It's what brought me to this form.

However, I don't accept views that defy common sense or established fact.  If I have accepted something as established fact it is because I have studied that evidence and any counterevidence, and formed my opinion that way.

You seem stuck on the idea that I am a liberal, and that is the sum total of your opinion of me.  Maybe over time I can show to you that although I have liberal views, that is not the total sum of who I am.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on November 09, 2021, 02:45:55 PM

Everyone knows Mickey Mouse is a communist.

Mickey Mouse is due to become public domain in 2024 unless the law changes, I believe.  He's almost old enough to be exempt from intellectual property rules.

Only the earliest Steamboat Willie version of Mickey will expire in 2024.  Newer versions will still be protected for a while yet.  Also, Disney will still retain the relevant trademarks as long as they keep renewing every 10 years.

So almost, yeah.

Yeah, not quite.

Quote from: New Earth on November 12, 2021, 10:42:21 AM

I don't know anything about your beliefs Calen other then what you post here and thus far you demonstrated yourself to be a liberal who is brainwashed by science, I call it how I see it. You come from the same mindset as Jack Black, Stash, Shitster, Kabool and few others.

I can't attest to the mindset of the others, as I have not had enough time or interaction with them to form an opinion.

And that sums up my mindset.

I like to take my time, and inspect both sides of an argument and am equally interested in hearing both sides. I want to hear other people's views and opinions, and enjoy hearing their reasons.  It's what brought me to this form.

However, I don't accept views that defy common sense or established fact.  If I have accepted something as established fact it is because I have studied that evidence and any counterevidence, and formed my opinion that way.

You seem stuck on the idea that I am a liberal, and that is the sum total of your opinion of me.  Maybe over time I can show to you that although I have liberal views, that is not the total sum of who I am.

You seem to require conventional scientific evidence for everything. You don't believe in ancient advanced civilizations, you seem to be very grounded type of guy. Why did you come to Flat Earth Society? You obviously don't believe Earth is flat right? Why waste time on something you don't believe?

You obviously don't believe Earth is flat right? Why waste time on something you don't believe?

You don't either. Why are you here?

You seem to require conventional scientific evidence for everything. You don't believe in ancient advanced civilizations, you seem to be very grounded type of guy. Why did you come to Flat Earth Society? You obviously don't believe Earth is flat right? Why waste time on something you don't believe?

Thank you.  I try to be grounded, and considered.

As to what brings me here, in a previous post I said that I'm interested in other people's beliefs and views, and why the hold them.  There isn't much interest in beliefs that are the same as one's own, though examining them is always a good thing.

I have often heard FE believers say that people who refute them never spend the time finding out what they actually believe, and to some extent that is probably true.  They less you know about something the easier it is to dismiss it with a wave of the hand.

Dismissing someone's beliefs as wrong, without exploring their reasons, denies one a chance to learn about not only their beliefs, but one's own as well.

Don't get me wrong, if something some believes is empirically wrong (such as Danang's phew/pi replacement), then that should be refuted.

There are other things that a wrong, but are interesting in their own right as an idea.  An example of this would be Sceptimatic's hypothesis concerning what I could only describe as clap back farting magnets. Factually bollocks, but interesting in that it tries to explain a phenomena in a way Sceptimatic understands.

In answer to your question, I don't ever find learning about other people and their ideas a waste of time.  I find it fascinating.  I am a scientific person, but a philosophical one as well.

I don't think you are philsophical at all Calen. People that are philosophical tend to be dreamers like me. They question reality you don't 

Stash I never said I don't believe in Flat Earth I simply came to conclusion that I do not know what shape the earth is. It might be a globe but may be its flat. Only the elites know the true shape of the earth and they have the correct maps, we don't this is all I know.

I don't think you are philsophical at all Calen. People that are philosophical tend to be dreamers like me. They question reality you don't 

Stash I never said I don't believe in Flat Earth I simply came to conclusion that I do not know what shape the earth is. It might be a globe but may be its flat. Only the elites know the true shape of the earth and they have the correct maps, we don't this is all I know.

Why do you feel the need to perpetually lie and contradict yourself?

Our current earth is a globe, I thought you agreed with this? What other evidence do you want for that? Have you become a flat earther?

I don't think you are philsophical at all Calen. People that are philosophical tend to be dreamers like me. They question reality you don't 

And how do you know I'm not a dreamer?  Or that I don't question reality? 

You assume that because I don't question established, proven, verified fact, that I don't question why. Or how.  I accept the inflationary model of the early universe, but I still question why and how the big bang occurred.

To me philosophy is the exploration of knowledge, wisdom, understanding and belief. It is the questioning of our understanding and experience of reality, not the facts of reality itself. 

What exactly is proven established fact Calen? I personally haven't seen any from the mainstream.  And Stash yes I did say the earth was a globe look at the date man, over a year ago right? I don't deny that my view changes as I come across more research however right now I don't know what the earth is.

And Stash yes I did say the earth was a globe look at the date man, over a year ago right? I don't deny that my view changes as I come across more research however right now I don't know what the earth is.

It's fine for your view to change. But why lie? You literally said:

Stash I never said I don't believe in Flat Earth

When you previously said:

Our current earth is a globe, I thought you agreed with this?

See why no one takes you seriously? You're all over the place, completely hypocritical, and outright lie when you feel it's necessary. You're the least reliable narrator around these parts.

Reporter asks Lee Jong-jae a question

https://nextshark.com/lee-jung-jae-american-reporter/

“I’m sure you can’t leave the house anymore without people recognizing you. What has been the biggest life change for you since the series came out?”

Imagine asking a guy who's been a top actor for over 2 decades this question.

Lol Americans.....

You still have to wear a mask at Disney World in FLA:

*Minor correction, feel free to ignore*

Incorrect, but this one is a trick question.

DISNEY requires you to wear masks, however it is illegal for any business in florida to require masks as per the governors executive order.

I know it's hard for you, but do try and get your facts straight.

It's hard for you too! 😊 It is truly difficult for all of us.

Quote from: Stash on November 09, 2021, 11:48:48 AM

You still have to wear a mask at Disney World in FLA:

*Minor correction, feel free to ignore*

Incorrect, but this one is a trick question.

DISNEY requires you to wear masks, however it is illegal for any business in florida to require masks as per the governors executive order.

For one, look at the date I wrote what I wrote. The 9th. The DeSantis legislation on the 4 bills did not get signed into law until 2 days ago.

For two, you are incorrect again. The DeSantis bills got slightly watered down:

"In the end, lawmakers did not go as far as the governor had hoped.

They banned vaccine mandates for public school districts and local governments and gave parents sole discretion over whether students should get vaccinated or wear masks. (The DeSantis administration fined Leon County $3.5 million last month for mandating vaccines for its employees — $5,000 for each person.)

They allowed vaccine mandates for private businesses as long as companies included exemptions for medical and religious reasons that were expected to be much broader than the federal exemptions. Employees could also opt out if they were willing to be periodically tested or wear protective equipment, like masks. Employers would have to pay for the tests or provide the masks."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/17/us/florida-coronavirus-covid-19.html

See the bold bit?

His executive orders back in July were for masks mandates in schools, not businesses. As for the previous executive orders, they barred government, municipalities from enforcing mask mandates in private businesses. However, the private business, e.g., DisneyWorld, can have their own rules. In this case, DisneyWorld still has their own mask mandate for patrons and cast members.

I have no idea where you are getting your info from, but it's wrong.

Mickey Mouse told him!