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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #120 on: October 16, 2021, 01:51:23 AM »
Quote from: faded mike on October 15, 2021, 05:33:00 PM
See thread in flat earth general titled "those search engines" for visual evidence with a video titled "Flat Earth 31.63 Miles...Undeniable Proof"
You have brought it up plenty of times.
It is 1 video, with lots of ambiguity, which importantly has the bottom obstructed. It is not evidence that Earth is flat. It is just proof of the lengths FEers go to to pretend Earth is flat.

Quote from: faded mike on October 15, 2021, 05:38:57 PM
More video evidence
Haven't double checked this fellows numbers myself and I am not actually sure what this is showing but he says it is too flat If I understand correctly.
You mean more baseless claims. You even pointed out a big problem. You haven't verified the numbers.
But the first thing I notice is that the base isn't visible, so just how much of the tree is?
The next thing I notice is a lot of haze, which means refraction will likely be an issue and likely allow you to see at least slightly more than what a simple calculation would indicate.

But the big issue is the numbers.
According to Google maps, it does appear that they were ~24.67 km away.
The bridge they were on had a 15 ft clearance, but the highway was on a hill.

The road surface at the edge of the bright was closer to 14-15 m above the elevation of the "tree".
Putting in 15 m, the amount hidden drops to 9.2 m, putting in 16 m drops it to 8.5 m.
And that is still without factoring in refraction.

If you factor in standard refraction, like from this site:
https://www.metabunk.org/curve/
You end up with 6.4 m hidden using 15 m and 5.8 hidden from 16 m.

And the sculpture is 27 m tall. But it is on a base and I'm not sure exactly what that 27 m refers to. But we should be able to see roughly 2/3 to 7/9ths of it.
And while the blurriness does make it hard to make out, that matches what is observed, where scaling a picture to match what is seen, we see the bottom is quite clearly missing.

So no, this is not evidence of a FE.
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #121 on: October 16, 2021, 02:01:15 AM »
Quote from: Smoke Machine on October 16, 2021, 12:59:27 AM
Quote from: faded mike on October 15, 2021, 05:38:57 PM
More video evidence



Haven't double checked this fellows numbers myself and I am not actually sure what this is showing but he says it is too flat If I understand correctly.

Mike, firstly, is the content of this video one of the reasons you believe in flat earth theory? Secondly, if so, do you believe everything in the video like it's gospel, or are there some things you believe more than others? Thirdly, is there anything in this video you don't believe at all?

A glaring problem for it being a flerfer video is the camera lens is not on the surface of the earth, and proved horizontal. He looks to be at quite an elevation either in a high rise building, or standing on a mountain, and everybody knows, the higher you go, the further you can see.

I did some poking around.

- Using an altitude map the Tree of Utah is at 4222.4' above sea level
- I80 running under the overpass where the video was taken is at 4261.8'
- A difference of 39' - Already the video poster is wrong, he states he was at 25'
- The standard vertical clearance of an I80 overpass is 16' 6"
- So now we're up to 55', more than double what the video poster claimed
- There's approximately 6' from the vertical clearance to the roadbed on the overpass
- Now we're up to 61'
- Then I'm assuming the camera height is, for easy numbers, at 5 feet above that if standing

- So now we have a total of 66' above the bottom of the statue. That's a lot more than 25' as claimed.

Tree of Utah is 87' tall according to the video. According to the artist's diagram of the sculpture, it's 83'.



The video person is 15.3 miles away standing on an overpass

According to an earth curve calculator, 15.3 miles away, target 83', observer height 66' = 19.1' hidden.

Around the sculpture there is a hurricane fence and some other sculptures on the ground:



What's a normal car height? About 5'? The fence looks twice that in comparison to the car, so say 10'.

In the video, I can't make out the fence and the pretty intense refraction is distorting the sculpture in general.

In conclusion:
- 19' feet should be hidden (not 57' as claimed by the poster)
- I can't see the fence so looks like at least 10' is hidden
- So we have 9' leftover that should be hidden but we can't really tell due to the distortion

All in all, not a very good example of a flat earth at all. Especially considering the poster presents terribly wrong data.

Edit: I hadn't seen JB's calculations before I posted - Looks like we came out to within a foot of each other.

Edit #2:
- With adding in "weak" refraction (.1191) I get 13' hidden. And there is definitely some refraction there based on the distortion in the images (My first calculations of 19' hidden included no refraction)
- With adding in "standard" refraction (.1744) I get 10.43' hidden. Which basically gets it down to the top of the fence we can't see that is hidden.

In essence, if you go with standard refraction, this actually matches perfectly with a globe earth.
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #122 on: October 16, 2021, 02:08:55 AM »
You are missing the forest from the trees
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #123 on: October 16, 2021, 06:12:39 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on October 16, 2021, 01:18:13 AM
Quote from: Unconvinced on October 10, 2021, 02:51:02 AM
Quote from: John Davis on October 09, 2021, 10:23:43 PM
There is no credible source but your own eyes. Take this - it's dangerous to go out alone: the flat earth society.

Interesting position from someone who claims that circles are straight and spheres are flat because of Einstein.
It's almost like you don't understand math.

I'm trying to find a point to defend beyond a circular argument. Do you have one?

I don't know about Unconvinced, but I have one that I have asked twice in this thread and you seem afraid to address:

When viewing (using your own eyes) out over open water on a clear, quiet day, how can there be the well-defined horizon you see just a few miles away if the earth were flat?

So come on "Most Prolific Scientist" --  defend your earth flatness in light of that observation.
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #124 on: October 16, 2021, 08:12:11 AM »
Better luck getting a gop qanon congress member to admit trunp lost
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #125 on: October 16, 2021, 01:42:42 PM »
Quote from: John Davis on October 16, 2021, 02:08:55 AM
You are missing the forest from the trees

Nice one! Missing the forest for the Tree of Utah........

I'm waiting for Jeff Bezos to organize a special flerfers in space rocket launch. I mean, after William Shatner, flerfers would have to be up next! Think of the publicity.

That could be you, faded Mike, or John Davis, riding the giant wang into space, and seeing with your own eyes the shape of the earth. Afterall, "there is no credible source but your own eyes." John Davis. 

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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #126 on: October 17, 2021, 08:05:04 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on October 16, 2021, 01:18:13 AM
Quote from: Unconvinced on October 10, 2021, 02:51:02 AM
Quote from: John Davis on October 09, 2021, 10:23:43 PM
There is no credible source but your own eyes. Take this - it's dangerous to go out alone: the flat earth society.

Interesting position from someone who claims that circles are straight and spheres are flat because of Einstein.
It's almost like you don't understand math.

I'm trying to find a point to defend beyond a circular argument. Do you have one?
Sure do, help yourself...

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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #127 on: October 17, 2021, 06:29:17 PM »
Quote from: JackBlack on October 16, 2021, 01:51:23 AM
... ... the first thing I notice is that the base isn't visible, so just how much of the tree is?
... ... And while the blurriness does make it hard to make out, that matches what is observed, where scaling a picture to match what is seen, we see the bottom is quite clearly missing.

I agree. The statues in the telescopic images are relatively fatter than the one in the closer-up photo. The size and spacing of the "balls" is different, too —  the 'ball region' accounts for a higher percentage of the overall height in the telescopic views than in the conventional view. Obviously, the telescopic images were scaled to make the "height" of the telescopic-view tree-image match the height of the conventional-view tree-image within the YouTube frame. We conclude that the lower part of the tree trunk is not visible in the telescopic views. How much is hidden? I laid a ruler on my computer screen on the image at 1:27 and estimated a 20 to 25% scale-up, meaning that 19 to 24 ft is hidden, give or take (this is very rough). This is reasonably in line with Jack Black's and Stash's analyses above. Everyone here who has looked at it objectively concludes that the lower portion of the tree is just not visible, and the expected RE curvature explains the view.

Every video example of "FE evidence" I have seen in this Forum has actually supported RE. Determining what the video shows, not what the presenters of the video claim it shows, has flipped the conclusion every single time. The videos are not even ambiguous. The evidence on display objectively supports RE. Interesting.

Screenshots at 1:13 and 1:27

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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #128 on: October 18, 2021, 08:16:59 PM »
Quote from: JackBlack on October 08, 2021, 12:53:48 AM
Quote from: faded mike on October 07, 2021, 07:00:59 PM
Oh I'll give an example of sicentific supression just to show it happens. Virginia Steen Macentyre lost her job and the findings supressed of her archaelogical discovery at Huaetlaco Mexico. See the movie "Mans Mysterious Origins" with Charelton Heston. She found artifacts which the newest dating procedures ofmthhe time stated to be over 100 thousand yrs old, although the mainstreasm timeline says people were not in that region more then i think 15 yrs ago...
That would be 15 000, not 15.
But this has been discussed. What makes you think the findings were suppressed?
She was even able to publish a paper with it.
It wasn't even her discovery. The site was discovered 4 years before she joined the team as a grad student.
As for losing her job, was that just her finishing her degree?
A grad student is not a permanent job.


Quote from: faded mike on October 07, 2021, 07:00:59 PM
That and cold fusion as I have brought up before
Which cannot be substantiated, and attempts to do so often have contradictory results.


Quote from: faded mike on October 07, 2021, 07:44:42 PM
Light bending of path of apparent sun could be like a rainbow
Care to provide an explanation of what is causing it? Because rainbows are quite well understood.

Quote from: faded mike on October 07, 2021, 07:44:42 PM
i heard tesla say the size of the earth is two times the wavelength of water molecule not sure just rememeber wavelength 2 times water. i know that is ambiguous but it might be useful info for the right person to hear.
Or, it might just be nonsense.

Quote from: faded mike on October 07, 2021, 07:51:15 PM
I think the depalma experiment of course would be some suppressed info.
Again, it isn't suppressed. You can easily find information on it. What you actually have is a very poorly controlled experiment.

Quote from: faded mike on October 07, 2021, 09:08:26 PM
Jack you said in one of your responses something "people dont like reality so they believe in their own fiction"... I just don't see how you could ever convince me of this
Try looking in the mirror.
Look at how much you cling to things which could benefit humanity or be good.

Would you be doing the same if instead of providing a benefit it would provide massive devistation?
Like if someone suggested cold fusion wouldn't solve power, but instead would wipe out all life within 1000 km?
Would you still eagerly try to defend cold fusion being real?

Quote from: faded mike on October 07, 2021, 09:08:26 PM
The religions say you can't see and are decieved
Of course they would say crap like that, to try to explain why reality doesn't match their claims.

Quote from: faded mike on October 07, 2021, 09:08:26 PM
But with something as base as the flat earth which i can see
You don't.
What you see is Earth. There are plenty of examples of where/how you can see curvature.
What you are appealing to is where you cannot tell if Earth is flat or round.
You dishonestly present that as seeing Earth as flat.
In reality it is no more you seeing Earth as flat as it is you seeing Earth as round.

You ASSUME it is flat, and because the observations match, you then stick with it, and ignore cases where it doesn't or look for excuses.

No illusions are required if Earth is round.

Go find the largest ball you can, and then look at it with your eye as close as possible and see if it looks as round from up close as from far away.
Here are two videos referencing Virginia Steen Mcentyre getting ousted after she was given the opportunity to renounce her findings and didn't. Also if I remember the story correctly - the actual specimens are kept in an unamed facility off the back side of some campus or museum that has no adress and not even a real road that leads ot it. Some researcher located the the supposed local and reported this hiding away of the artifacts.

brief desrciption of what happened at 22second



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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #129 on: October 18, 2021, 10:40:53 PM »
Quote from: faded mike on October 18, 2021, 08:16:59 PM
Here are two videos referencing Virginia Steen Mcentyre getting ousted after she was given the opportunity to renounce her findings and didn't. Also if I remember the story correctly - the actual specimens are kept in an unamed facility off the back side of some campus or museum that has no adress and not even a real road that leads ot it. Some researcher located the the supposed local and reported this hiding away of the artifacts.

Here's Virginia Steen Mcentyre paper, right there out in the wide open, not "hidden":

Geologic evidence for age of deposits at Hueyatlaco archeological site, Vasequillo, Mexico
VirginiaSteen-McIntyrea, RoaldFryxell, Harold E.Maldea
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0033589481901241

Here's another paper with her name on it:

The stratigraphic debate at Hueyatlaco, Valsequillo, Mexico
Harold E. Malde, Virginia Steen-McIntyre, Charles W. Naeser,
and Sam L. VanLandingham
https://www.uv.es/~pardomv/pe/2011_3/27_malde/27_malde.pdf

Apparently she couldn't originally get it published due to all kinds of infighting. That's academia for yah. It happens. But nothing of her work seems to be suppressed, at least not for the last 40-50 years or so. Seems like much ado about nothing.

I think she is the poster child for alternative history of this sort because she did that Chuck Heston hosted show. Otherwise, as JB pointed out, there was already all kinds of controversy around the site years before she even got there. For example, before they even attempted to date the site some archeologist thought some of the artifacts were planted. Infighting ensured. Then of course years later, after the dating commenced, more infighting.

It doesn't seem to be a story of "oooo...conspiracy...", more a story of academics can't getting past their own egos. But all the intrigue makes for a saucy story, no doubt.
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #130 on: October 18, 2021, 11:23:54 PM »
Why the pleading keeps jumping around?
Is it baseless pleading?
Cant one thing stand on its own two feet?
Didnt we start off with a video of the basis of the zetiticsm?
Are you of the belief no one can reproduce such an sxperiment?
In the short history of instagram no ones been able to make an argument?
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #131 on: October 19, 2021, 12:39:24 AM »
Quote from: faded mike on October 18, 2021, 08:16:59 PM
Here are two videos referencing Virginia Steen Mcentyre getting ousted after she was given the opportunity to renounce her findings and didn't. Also if I remember the story correctly - the actual specimens are kept in an unamed facility off the back side of some campus or museum that has no adress and not even a real road that leads ot it. Some researcher located the the supposed local and reported this hiding away of the artifacts.
Or, to present it more honestly, here are 2 videos showing the claims of conspiracy theorists who claim conspiracy, with no justification at all.

Any idiot can claim that she was ousted after she refused to recant.
That doesn't make it true.

As I already pointed out, and as Stash has now provided links to, her work is published. It isn't being hidden.

And again, you just massively jump topic.

You completely ignored it for so long and then decided to provide videos, which support a RE.
When that was pointed out you jump back to this conspiracy.

Why don't you take a minute to compose your thoughts, and pick a topic to directly address the actual topic of the thread, why you believe Earth is flat.
Then clearly present that, preferably one issue at a time, and discuss it.

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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #132 on: October 19, 2021, 11:32:57 PM »
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Here's Virginia Steen Mcentyre paper, right there out in the wide open, not "hidden":
I often wonder whether FE believers place more significance in their obsessions about 'conspiracies' and those in 'authority' lying than they do with actual evidence. I guess for them that is what makes this whole 'flat Earth' thing more attractive.

Less attractive is simply going by the evidence
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #133 on: October 20, 2021, 02:04:16 AM »
Quote from: faded mike on October 18, 2021, 08:16:59 PM
Also if I remember the story correctly
Have you ever remembered a story correctly?
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #134 on: October 20, 2021, 02:08:33 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on October 16, 2021, 01:18:13 AM
Quote from: Unconvinced on October 10, 2021, 02:51:02 AM
Quote from: John Davis on October 09, 2021, 10:23:43 PM
There is no credible source but your own eyes. Take this - it's dangerous to go out alone: the flat earth society.

Interesting position from someone who claims that circles are straight and spheres are flat because of Einstein.
It's almost like you don't understand math.

I'm trying to find a point to defend beyond a circular argument. Do you have one?

There’s no maths in my post for you to judge.

The point is that the evidence I can see with my own eyes leads me to the conclusion that the earth is roughly spherical.

Your pet hypotheses attempts to explain this by invoking curved spacetime from general relativity to make a case for the earth being flat.  Whatever the merits of your hypothesis, it relies on Einstein as a source not your own eyes.

Yet you still seem to want to appeal to the simplest of flat earth arguments- that if you stand on the beach and look at the ocean, it seems quite flat.  Trouble is that these two positions are quite incompatible.
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« Reply #135 on: October 20, 2021, 02:24:04 AM »
thanks for sharing.
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #136 on: October 20, 2021, 05:12:21 AM »
Quote from: Smoke Machine on October 16, 2021, 01:42:42 PM
I'm waiting for Jeff Bezos to organize a special flerfers in space rocket launch.

FLERFERS --  What a great name for Flat Earthers! I had not seen that name before, but it is perfect!  It even sounds descriptive.
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« Reply #137 on: October 20, 2021, 05:28:47 AM »
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Yet you still seem to want to appeal to the simplest of flat earth arguments- that if you stand on the beach and look at the ocean, it seems quite flat.
Of course it does. In relation to the total surface area, you can see so little of it from the surface level and at the scale of a human being that it is bound to look flat.

The curvature of the surface of a sphere is the same and constant in all directions so that means the horizon will the same distance away in all directions. That's precisely why the horizon looks flat.  Not because the surface of the Earth is flat.  If it was there would be no sharply defined horizon! That's a simple enough observation that stands up to logic. Yet flat Earthers try and complicate it by introducing some fancy and never yet proven to exist properties of refraction or 'electromagnetic acceleration' to try and defend what they believe instead of just accepting they are wrong.

Why?
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #138 on: October 20, 2021, 08:05:45 AM »
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on October 20, 2021, 02:04:16 AM
Quote from: faded mike on October 18, 2021, 08:16:59 PM
Also if I remember the story correctly
Have you ever remembered a story correctly?

maybe related to his computer issues.
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« Reply #139 on: October 20, 2021, 11:55:41 PM »
*staunchly defending the globe model
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« Reply #140 on: October 21, 2021, 12:45:39 AM »
I added something to the first post outlining some of my general idea that adds to the persuasion. And 2nd post.
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« Reply #141 on: October 21, 2021, 01:58:38 AM »
Quote from: faded mike on October 21, 2021, 12:45:39 AM
I added something to the first post outlining some of my general idea that adds to the persuasion. And 2nd post.
Only if by "persuasion" you mean the extent of desperation in trying to defend the FE model, and just how dishonest the FEers are willing to be.

The mirage excuse only works when there is quite visible distortion covering up the horizon, and it in no way actually supports the FE, as it is consistent with a RE as well.

As for the video, you have provided that before, and you have had the blatant lies in the video exposed before.
Remember this:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=88156.msg2311195#msg2311195
And this:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=79027.msg2270381#msg2270381

Where I clearly explained how the person in the video was blatantly lying. And that in reality, the bottom of the boat drops below the horizon. That it doesn't stay with a ratio of 1:6, instead it starts off closer to 1:7 and finishes closer to 1:5. This clearly shows part of the boat is missing, just like you would expect for a RE, and not what you would expect for a FE.

You have had this dishonesty pointed out at least twice.
Why bring it up again as if it supports the FE, when in fact it indicates the FE is wrong?

As for your second post/edit, there is the FE Q&A, where you can go and ask questions and just accept whatever excuse the FEers come up with.
There is also the FE information repository where you can read many contradictory ideas about the FE.

It also isn't simply naysayers repeating the mainstream story like you want to pretend. Instead clear and simple issues are raised which the FEers cannot coherently address.
This isn't a mainstream story, it is reality.
The question is why do FEers need to keep making up excuses and contradicting each other/themselves, while the RE can explain it easily?

So again, why do you believe? Because of a bunch of lies from FEers who willingly misrepresent reality to pretend Earth is flat, while their evidence either indicates a RE or is ambiguous and can't tell either way?

Likewise, why present the evidence and then flee from it when it is shown to not support the FE, only to bring i tup again later?
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #142 on: October 21, 2021, 02:42:26 AM »
Quote from: faded mike on October 21, 2021, 12:45:39 AM
I added something to the first post outlining some of my general idea that adds to the persuasion. And 2nd post.

Faded Mike, if you want to live on a flat earth then live your life as if earth is flat. Nobody is stopping you. But here you are in the debate section, looking for a debate on the matter.

Can you detect radio waves and mobile phone frequencies with your five senses, faded Mike? Can you pick up a battery and tell how much electricity is stored inside, using your five senses? Can you see the frequencies that unlock your car when you push the button on your car keys?

By using your flat earth rationale, if you can't detect these things with your five senses, then Zetetically, you have to draw the conclusion they don't exist and everybody is lying to you about them, just like globe earth.

Taken to it's logical conclusions, the amount of lying surrounding you on a daily basis, could eventually prevent you from wanting to leave your house.

Either you are being lied to or quite simply, you are not being lied to. It's that simple. You decide what world you will live in.
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« Reply #143 on: October 27, 2021, 11:25:16 PM »
I just added to my complaint in second post about all resident globalists and lack of fe peeps that the believers section is full of good stuff - for some reason I have mostly overlooked it so far.
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Quote from: faded mike on October 06, 2021, 06:10:36 AM
in my light but particular research of alternative science

Your research of "alternative science" -- I've never heard of such a thing. Is it like "alternative facts"?
It started when I was young - I used to watch "In Search Of" with Leonard Nimoy - about the seven mysteries of the ancient world and other unexplainable phenomenon. Then when I saw John Hutchison on tv with his everlasting crystal batteries made out rocks he picked in his neighborhhood and baked in his oven, and levitation using salvaged military radar equipment - that was it!
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #144 on: October 27, 2021, 11:37:04 PM »
Quote from: Smoke Machine on October 21, 2021, 02:42:26 AM
Quote from: faded mike on October 21, 2021, 12:45:39 AM
I added something to the first post outlining some of my general idea that adds to the persuasion. And 2nd post.

Faded Mike, if you want to live on a flat earth then live your life as if earth is flat. Nobody is stopping you. But here you are in the debate section, looking for a debate on the matter.

Can you detect radio waves and mobile phone frequencies with your five senses, faded Mike? Can you pick up a battery and tell how much electricity is stored inside, using your five senses? Can you see the frequencies that unlock your car when you push the button on your car keys?

By using your flat earth rationale, if you can't detect these things with your five senses, then Zetetically, you have to draw the conclusion they don't exist and everybody is lying to you about them, just like globe earth.

Taken to it's logical conclusions, the amount of lying surrounding you on a daily basis, could eventually prevent you from wanting to leave your house.

Either you are being lied to or quite simply, you are not being lied to. It's that simple. You decide what world you will live in.
I had originally planned to have some small debate to test some of my ideas, but was met with something and rememberred some of the previous behaviour and completely lost sight of my intention. I am planning to read all thoroughly and perhaps return for a bit of serious debate.
But those things you said about zeteticism -  I didn't actually say that. I don't even really know what that means. If you want to, explain how my flat earth rationale would allow me to feel radiowaves for example.
Additionally I think my computer might be a bit jammed.

Edit - Just a correction - I forgot i knew roughly what zetetic means, it was a feeling of being categorized whcich seemed incorrect. I am not anti zetetic but i think in a normal circumstance working together is important
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #145 on: October 27, 2021, 11:46:53 PM »
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Quote from: faded mike on October 21, 2021, 12:45:39 AM
I added something to the first post outlining some of my general idea that adds to the persuasion. And 2nd post.
Only if by "persuasion" you mean the extent of desperation in trying to defend the FE model, and just how dishonest the FEers are willing to be.

The mirage excuse only works when there is quite visible distortion covering up the horizon, and it in no way actually supports the FE, as it is consistent with a RE as well.

As for the video, you have provided that before, and you have had the blatant lies in the video exposed before.
Remember this:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=88156.msg2311195#msg2311195
And this:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=79027.msg2270381#msg2270381

Where I clearly explained how the person in the video was blatantly lying. And that in reality, the bottom of the boat drops below the horizon. That it doesn't stay with a ratio of 1:6, instead it starts off closer to 1:7 and finishes closer to 1:5. This clearly shows part of the boat is missing, just like you would expect for a RE, and not what you would expect for a FE.

You have had this dishonesty pointed out at least twice.
Why bring it up again as if it supports the FE, when in fact it indicates the FE is wrong?

As for your second post/edit, there is the FE Q&A, where you can go and ask questions and just accept whatever excuse the FEers come up with.
There is also the FE information repository where you can read many contradictory ideas about the FE.

It also isn't simply naysayers repeating the mainstream story like you want to pretend. Instead clear and simple issues are raised which the FEers cannot coherently address.
This isn't a mainstream story, it is reality.
The question is why do FEers need to keep making up excuses and contradicting each other/themselves, while the RE can explain it easily?

So again, why do you believe? Because of a bunch of lies from FEers who willingly misrepresent reality to pretend Earth is flat, while their evidence either indicates a RE or is ambiguous and can't tell either way?

Likewise, why present the evidence and then flee from it when it is shown to not support the FE, only to bring i tup again later?
I dont really think it was that baltant - infact I think it looks like it might be just a bit off if I remember correctly, sorry will retrun to this. I remember you saying look it isnt what she said, but then also noting that it wasn't quite like you said. Alot of this of course owing tio the distortion layer, but it looked to me like if someone took all the time to measure and claculate what was there the narrator might have been quite close to being correct, and that your dismissal was not supported..
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #146 on: October 28, 2021, 12:02:43 AM »
Why are you back tracking and editing posts from the very begining?
The conversation is then out of context and out of order.
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« Reply #147 on: October 28, 2021, 12:22:53 AM »
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Yet you still seem to want to appeal to the simplest of flat earth arguments- that if you stand on the beach and look at the ocean, it seems quite flat.
Of course it does. In relation to the total surface area, you can see so little of it from the surface level and at the scale of a human being that it is bound to look flat.

The curvature of the surface of a sphere is the same and constant in all directions so that means the horizon will the same distance away in all directions. That's precisely why the horizon looks flat.  Not because the surface of the Earth is flat.  If it was there would be no sharply defined horizon! That's a simple enough observation that stands up to logic. Yet flat Earthers try and complicate it by introducing some fancy and never yet proven to exist properties of refraction or 'electromagnetic acceleration' to try and defend what they believe instead of just accepting they are wrong.

Why?
When you check for curvature drop which is theorized - for distance in miles extending away, with formula "curvature in inches = 8(miles^squared)", you can see too far.
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Re: Some reasons I believe FET (prev. "check my FET")
« Reply #148 on: October 28, 2021, 12:30:57 AM »
When you manage to get yoyr computer fixed...

look it up he limitations of that formula.

It shouldnt be very hard with all your seadch engine investigative skills.
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« Reply #149 on: October 28, 2021, 12:37:16 AM »
Quote from: Themightykabool on October 28, 2021, 12:02:43 AM
Why are you back tracking and editing posts from the very begining?
The conversation is then out of context and out of order.
Let me get back to you.
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