Vaccine Mandates in Communist New York and other cities

Quote from: Rayzor on October 06, 2021, 09:14:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 06, 2021, 08:35:55 PM

In order to claim it's cherry picking you need to show that there is overwhelming evidence of the opposite on the subject.

You mean like a few billion people vaccinated with less side effects than aspirin?   That sort of overwhelming evidence?

So your overwhelming evidence is a sentence made without evidence?

Yes tom
A B doses as psr the news.
A B deaths and side effects would be hard to cover up.
So the lack of evidence that there IS a problem shows there ISNT a problem.

The New England Journal of Medicine commies IP blocked Dr Robert Malone. lol https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1446064487988146180?s=20

The New England Journal of Medicine commies IP blocked Dr Robert Malone. lol https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1446064487988146180?s=20

aaa who is this guy?
i didn't know he was a thing with the anti va-skers.
he sounds bitter but not overall crazy and his celebrity is just inflated by the anti va-skers.


https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/




“I’ve been written out of the history,” he has said. “It’s all about Kati.” Karikó shared with me an email that Malone sent her in June, accusing her of feeding reporters bogus information and inflating her own accomplishments. “This is not going to end well,” Malone’s message says.

Karikó replied that she hadn’t told anyone that she is the inventor of mRNA vaccines and that “many many scientists” contributed to their success. “I have never claimed more than discovering a way to make RNA less inflammatory,” she wrote to him. She told me that Malone referred to himself in an email as her “mentor” and “coach,” though she says they’ve met in person only once, in 1997, when he invited her to give a talk. It’s Malone, according to Karikó, who has been overstating his accomplishments. There are “hundreds of scientists who contributed more to mRNA vaccines than he did.”

Malone insists that his warning to Karikó that “this is not going to end well” was not intended as a threat. Instead, he says, he was suggesting that her exaggerations would soon be exposed. Malone views Karikó as yet another scientist standing on his shoulders and collecting plaudits that should go to him. Others have been rewarded handsomely for their work on mRNA vaccines, he says.

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Malone may keep company with vaccine skeptics, but he insists he is not one himself. His objections to the Pfizer and Moderna shots have to do mostly with their expedited approval process and with the government’s system for tracking adverse reactions. Speaking as a doctor, he would probably recommend their use only for those at highest risk from COVID-19.

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Malone is not a subscriber to the more out-there conspiracy theories regarding COVID-19 vaccines—he doesn’t, for instance, think Bill Gates has snuck microchips into syringes

The New England Journal of Medicine commies IP blocked Dr Robert Malone. lol https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1446064487988146180?s=20

He assumes they targeted him specifically and not say... An IP chain that was spamming them.
Heck, his pc might be part of a bot net.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on October 07, 2021, 09:58:14 AM

The New England Journal of Medicine commies IP blocked Dr Robert Malone. lol https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1446064487988146180?s=20

aaa who is this guy?
i didn't know he was a thing with the anti va-skers.
he sounds bitter but not overall crazy and his celebrity is just inflated by the anti va-skers.


https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/




“I’ve been written out of the history,” he has said. “It’s all about Kati.” Karikó shared with me an email that Malone sent her in June, accusing her of feeding reporters bogus information and inflating her own accomplishments. “This is not going to end well,” Malone’s message says.

Karikó replied that she hadn’t told anyone that she is the inventor of mRNA vaccines and that “many many scientists” contributed to their success. “I have never claimed more than discovering a way to make RNA less inflammatory,” she wrote to him. She told me that Malone referred to himself in an email as her “mentor” and “coach,” though she says they’ve met in person only once, in 1997, when he invited her to give a talk. It’s Malone, according to Karikó, who has been overstating his accomplishments. There are “hundreds of scientists who contributed more to mRNA vaccines than he did.”

Malone insists that his warning to Karikó that “this is not going to end well” was not intended as a threat. Instead, he says, he was suggesting that her exaggerations would soon be exposed. Malone views Karikó as yet another scientist standing on his shoulders and collecting plaudits that should go to him. Others have been rewarded handsomely for their work on mRNA vaccines, he says.

...



Malone may keep company with vaccine skeptics, but he insists he is not one himself. His objections to the Pfizer and Moderna shots have to do mostly with their expedited approval process and with the government’s system for tracking adverse reactions. Speaking as a doctor, he would probably recommend their use only for those at highest risk from COVID-19.

...

Malone is not a subscriber to the more out-there conspiracy theories regarding COVID-19 vaccines—he doesn’t, for instance, think Bill Gates has snuck microchips into syringes

Malone sounds like a self important pompous arsehole. When I worked in medical research I came across one such bloke. Rude, arrogant and full of himself. Maybe it was just because he was American though, I dunno. But God damn, he was something else.

Nice to know he recommends Pfizer. Given 100% of the population is at serious risk if infected with the disease (because survival or no injury is not assured) he should support its widespread use in everyone

He said risk. And a 0.1% - 1% risk of death even with hospital care (which skyrockets if you are old, immunosupressed and suffer comorbidites such as existing diseases) and a 10-30% risk of 'long covid' and all the pitfalls that come with internal scarring and heart/brain damage well then I should definitely protect myself. The risk of catching covid in a normal community setting is pretty freaking high so yeah, vaccines are a great idea

man shoots his brother, a pharmacist, for giving out vax.
two other people were shot.

the killer did it in protection of others because the vax kills people.
right...

Aren't anti vaxxers about 'muh freedoms!' So if someone wants a vaccine, shouldn't they be free to get one? It's their body, their choice.

Aren't anti vaxxers about 'muh freedoms!' So if someone wants a vaccine, shouldn't they be free to get one? It's their body, their choice.

No, they're about wanting their preferences forced on everyone.

Looking at that news story and that red head.... Didn't sokarul work in some kind of pharmacy? Or a chemist? (his words). Maybe that's his brother and poor sok got blown away?

I could be wrong (a Chemist is a pharmacy shop here). But if sokarul remains absent, then I guess it's RIP sokarul.

The mandate is upon my place of work.  December 8 or find another job.  No exceptions.  Not even the option to test instead.

I'm embarrassed to admit it but I am having a blast listening in on the more conservative employees and drinking their tears.

I'm even more embarrassed to admit that in my darker moments I consider spreading bizarre conspiracy theories like "they're putting the vaccine in your salads!" just to rile these people up.

I'm even more embarrassed to admit that in my darker moments I consider spreading bizarre conspiracy theories like "they're putting the vaccine in your salads!" just to rile these people up.

Surely a good red blooded conservative wouldn't eat a salad?

Dec 8 is pretty generous timeline considering...

Quote from: Crouton on October 08, 2021, 02:49:14 AM

I'm even more embarrassed to admit that in my darker moments I consider spreading bizarre conspiracy theories like "they're putting the vaccine in your salads!" just to rile these people up.

Surely a good red blooded conservative wouldn't eat a salad?

The salad part is important.  It adds that extra level of stupid to the conspiracy theory.

It's sort of like the Satanic panic in the 80's.  One of the charges leveled at daycare workers was that during the course of the day they would take people's kids to Mexico to perform satanic rituals.  Nevermind that this is physically impossible for most of the country given the travel time involved.

Do it Crouton! You know you want to

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on October 08, 2021, 04:50:19 AM

Quote from: Crouton on October 08, 2021, 02:49:14 AM

I'm even more embarrassed to admit that in my darker moments I consider spreading bizarre conspiracy theories like "they're putting the vaccine in your salads!" just to rile these people up.

Surely a good red blooded conservative wouldn't eat a salad?

The salad part is important.  It adds that extra level of stupid to the conspiracy theory.

It's sort of like the Satanic panic in the 80's.  One of the charges leveled at daycare workers was that during the course of the day they would take people's kids to Mexico to perform satanic rituals.  Nevermind that this is physically impossible for most of the country given the travel time involved.

Go for the Thousand Island dressing,  god only knows what's in that, they will never even notice the tracking microchips.

There is a narrative where the governments of the world, the bunch of self-serving idiots that have weaselled their way on to the gravy train, and their puppet masters have realised that the world is overpopulated and decided to manufacture a pandemic so they can wipe out a good proportion of worlds inhabitants with a fake vaccine.

In this tale of course we have heroes, Guy’snGal’s who have seen through the veil, taken the right pill and have, through extensive forensic analysis of their sisters hairdressers mates twitter account (who’s in health care) and following certain maverick newshounds cleverly disguised as shrill mega-rich pricks very definitely not working for the man whilst being paid a shitload of money by the man, come to the decision not to foolishly take the poison like the vast majority of the lemmings around them. Whereas in Hollywood the stars are generally modest and attractive, in this saga they are self-broadcasting shouty red faced/necked portly and wild eyed, a cunning sub-version of the trope, very often with god on their side.

I have a big big problem with this story, it’s believable for a few lines but then it overcomplicates the plot in having the vaccine as the killer.

Any mad scientist worth his crazy hair and wireframed glasses who creates the killer bug is in tandem also making the antidote, for him and his teams’ safety and that of his mega-rich patron who will eventually betray him and throw him in a viper filled pit.
Your vaccine might be ineffective, the good stuff going to the chosen but the actual vaccines produced wouldn’t be deadly, as presumably there are many independent scientists out there who just might run theirs through a battery of tests before mainlining it and more importantly as the remaining oligarchy will need a small remnant of humanity left to till fields, iron clothes and maintain enough of a DNA reserve to stop the elites becoming interbred, (having foolishly just thrown their geneticist in a viper pit), just who do you want left to do that.

Well, I will tell you, you are going to want compliant people, those who think that the best was done to help them, the ones who took the vaccine maybe.

You are not going to want a bunch of jokers in plus sized combats and mirror shades running about in the woods trying to find that drum of hardtack they buried when Obama came to power, proudly toting their semi-auto 2nd amendments, however pathetic they would be against satellite directed missile strike and drone swarms, shouting prayers  to Jehovah and looking for the Satan with a suit and clipboard that started all this so they can burn the fucker and get on with the rapture.

So next time you repost something with #jabofthebeast or read of another go-fund collection for a sad radio jockeys’ family, called early, as god is fond of listening to poorly researched bullshit interspersed with Tammy Wynette. Just reassess who it is feeding you this stuff and why.         

20yr war is more profitable and selective in its killings.

There is a narrative where the governments of the world, the bunch of self-serving idiots that have weaselled their way on to the gravy train, and their puppet masters have realised that the world is overpopulated and decided to manufacture a pandemic so they can wipe out a good proportion of worlds inhabitants with a fake vaccine.

In this tale of course we have heroes, Guy’snGal’s who have seen through the veil, taken the right pill and have, through extensive forensic analysis of their sisters hairdressers mates twitter account (who’s in health care) and following certain maverick newshounds cleverly disguised as shrill mega-rich pricks very definitely not working for the man whilst being paid a shitload of money by the man, come to the decision not to foolishly take the poison like the vast majority of the lemmings around them. Whereas in Hollywood the stars are generally modest and attractive, in this saga they are self-broadcasting shouty red faced/necked portly and wild eyed, a cunning sub-version of the trope, very often with god on their side.

I have a big problem with this story, it’s believable for a few lines but then it overcomplicates the plot in having the vaccine as the killer.

Any mad scientist worth his crazy hair and wireframed glasses who creates the killer bug is in tandem also making the antidote, for him and his teams’ safety and that of his mega-rich patron who will eventually betray him and throw him in a viper filled pit.
The actual vaccines produced wouldn’t be deadly, as presumably there are many independent scientists out there who just might run theirs through a battery of tests before mainlining it and more importantly as the remaining oligarchy will need a small remnant of humanity left to till fields, iron clothes and maintain enough of a DNA reserve to stop the elites becoming interbred, (having foolishly just thrown their geneticist in a viper pit), just who do you want left to do that.

Well, I will tell you, you are going to want compliant people, those who think that the best was done to help them, the ones who took the vaccine maybe.

You are not going to want a bunch of jokers in plus sized combats and mirror shades running about in the woods trying to find that drum of hardtack they buried when Obama came to power, toting their semi-auto 2nd amendment however pathetic they would be against satellite directed missile strike and drone swarms, shouting prayers  to Jehovah and looking for the Satan with a suit and clipboard that started all this so they can burn the fucker and get on with the rapture.

So next time you repost something with #jabofthebeast or read of another go-fund collection for a sad radio jockeys’ family, called early, as god is fond of listening to poorly researched bullshit interspersed with Tammy Wynette. Just reassess who it is feeding you this stuff and why.         

I tried this logic on my mom.  It was not successful.  The narrative is too deeply rooted.

Quote from: hoppy on October 02, 2021, 07:05:10 PM

Vaers is not fake news, it is a government website.

I'm pretty sure that's not the official CDC government VAERS site.

If you look at the actual real one it has different numbers than the one you posted. (way lower)

I don't think your site is "fake", it's just that it's not vetted like the official one is. Even looking at the first entry on your site, a patient got jabbed in Feb 2021 and 200 days later died and had a whole bunch of pre-existing life threatening co-morbities that had nothing to do with the vax. The CDC vets those types of entries and makes a determination whether it was vax related or not. Your site does not do any vetting. It's just the raw data from every entry ever made and anyone can make an entry.

The official VAERS site: https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

pretty good basics on the vaers.

Quote from: Stash on October 03, 2021, 12:54:17 PM

So it's 0.0040%? And that's assuming that every death entry is directly attributable to the vaccines.

For someone who perpetually calls into question Covid case statistics logged by physicians it seems odd that you don't call into question any VAERs entries logged by anyone. Very odd, hypocritical, indeed.

Wrong. I do question VAERS. Multiple studies have confirmed that people are underreporting to it.

https://www.icandecide.org/ican_press/underreporting-of-serious-injuries-to-vaers-confirmed-by-new-study/

UNDERREPORTING OF SERIOUS INJURIES TO VAERS CONFIRMED BY NEW STUDY

The CDC tells the public that “Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States based on events reported to VAERS.”  However, ICAN reviewed a recent study at Mass General Brigham that assessed anaphylaxis in a clinical setting after the administration of COVID-19 vaccines.  This study, in stark contrast to the CDC’s claim, found “severe reactions consistent with anaphylaxis occurred at a rate of 2.47 per 10,000 vaccinations.”  This is equivalent to 50 times to 120 times more cases than what VAERS and the CDC are reporting!

In a letter to Dr. Walensky, ICAN explained that this alarming underreporting of anaphylaxis by the CDC and VAERS is particularly troubling because it is mandatory for medical providers to report anaphylaxis after any COVID-19 vaccine to VAERS.  In addition, the CDC reports that most of these reactions occur within 30 minutes of vaccination.  The study reported that the mean time to reaction is 17 minutes post-vaccination.  This means that vaccine administrators, then, should be aware of a majority, if not all, of these cases as vaccine recipients are supposed to be observed for 15 to 30-minute periods following vaccination at all vaccination sites.

Additionally, and specifically with regard to COVID-19 vaccines, there has actually been a push by health authorities to inform medical providers that they need to report anaphylaxis to VAERS. Despite this, the rate of reporting still appears to be only around 0.8 to 2 percent of all cases of anaphylaxis.  (This is close to the Harvard Pilgrim study which found that approximately 1% of adverse events are reported to VAERS).

ICAN explained to Dr. Walensky that this raises serious concerns regarding (i) under-reporting of other serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination, and (2) adverse events following other vaccines for which there has not been the same push to report adverse events. The anaphylaxis study highlights the urgency of the ongoing, well-known problem with adverse event reporting post-vaccination which ICAN has been pointing out for years.

At a press conference today, two experienced pathologists presented their investigations of ten deaths linked to COVID-19 vaccination. They were shocked by the results. Most of the deaths “likely” or “probably” due to COVID jabs.


Professor Arne Burkhardt and Professor Walter Lang, who presented their findings at a press conference today (September 21, 2021), are both long-time experienced pathologists. Burkhardt headed the Institute of Pathology in Reutlingen for 18 years, and Lang headed a private institute specializing in lung pathology, among other things, for 35 years.

Both, in collaboration with other, unnamed pathologists, investigated ten deaths that had occurred after COVID-19 vaccination. They obtained the tissue material from the forensic pathologists who had first examined the cases. The decedents examined were all over 50.

Of the ten deaths, they found, five were very likely and two were probably related to vaccination; they considered one unclear, and in two they saw no causal relationship. What puzzled them, however, were the similarities among the cases they linked to vaccination.

In three cases, they found rare autoimmune diseases; one of them so rare that they only discovered it when they looked closely at the digitized image. They were Hashimoto’s, an autoimmune-triggered hypothyroidism; leukoclastic vasculitis, an inflammatory reaction in the capillaries that leads to skin bleeding; and Sjögren’s syndrome, an inflammation of the salivary and lacrimal glands.

https://principia-scientific.com/pathologists-shocking-finding-from-deaths-after-covid-19-jabs/

2 more deaths.
Out of 150M jabs.

Vs

600,000deaths out of 40M cases.

Math is still not on your side.

I like how they discovered these diseases by "looking at the digital image".

Image of what? 
Even so, sounds like these people had those diseases prior to the vaccination. 

Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 03, 2021, 01:17:50 PM

Quote from: Stash on October 03, 2021, 12:54:17 PM

So it's 0.0040%? And that's assuming that every death entry is directly attributable to the vaccines.

For someone who perpetually calls into question Covid case statistics logged by physicians it seems odd that you don't call into question any VAERs entries logged by anyone. Very odd, hypocritical, indeed.

Wrong. I do question VAERS. Multiple studies have confirmed that people are underreporting to it.

https://www.icandecide.org/ican_press/underreporting-of-serious-injuries-to-vaers-confirmed-by-new-study/

UNDERREPORTING OF SERIOUS INJURIES TO VAERS CONFIRMED BY NEW STUDY

The CDC tells the public that “Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States based on events reported to VAERS.”  However, ICAN reviewed a recent study at Mass General Brigham that assessed anaphylaxis in a clinical setting after the administration of COVID-19 vaccines.  This study, in stark contrast to the CDC’s claim, found “severe reactions consistent with anaphylaxis occurred at a rate of 2.47 per 10,000 vaccinations.”  This is equivalent to 50 times to 120 times more cases than what VAERS and the CDC are reporting!

In a letter to Dr. Walensky, ICAN explained that this alarming underreporting of anaphylaxis by the CDC and VAERS is particularly troubling because it is mandatory for medical providers to report anaphylaxis after any COVID-19 vaccine to VAERS.  In addition, the CDC reports that most of these reactions occur within 30 minutes of vaccination.  The study reported that the mean time to reaction is 17 minutes post-vaccination.  This means that vaccine administrators, then, should be aware of a majority, if not all, of these cases as vaccine recipients are supposed to be observed for 15 to 30-minute periods following vaccination at all vaccination sites.

Additionally, and specifically with regard to COVID-19 vaccines, there has actually been a push by health authorities to inform medical providers that they need to report anaphylaxis to VAERS. Despite this, the rate of reporting still appears to be only around 0.8 to 2 percent of all cases of anaphylaxis.  (This is close to the Harvard Pilgrim study which found that approximately 1% of adverse events are reported to VAERS).

ICAN explained to Dr. Walensky that this raises serious concerns regarding (i) under-reporting of other serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination, and (2) adverse events following other vaccines for which there has not been the same push to report adverse events. The anaphylaxis study highlights the urgency of the ongoing, well-known problem with adverse event reporting post-vaccination which ICAN has been pointing out for years.

At a press conference today, two experienced pathologists presented their investigations of ten deaths linked to COVID-19 vaccination. They were shocked by the results. Most of the deaths “likely” or “probably” due to COVID jabs.


Professor Arne Burkhardt and Professor Walter Lang, who presented their findings at a press conference today (September 21, 2021), are both long-time experienced pathologists. Burkhardt headed the Institute of Pathology in Reutlingen for 18 years, and Lang headed a private institute specializing in lung pathology, among other things, for 35 years.

Both, in collaboration with other, unnamed pathologists, investigated ten deaths that had occurred after COVID-19 vaccination. They obtained the tissue material from the forensic pathologists who had first examined the cases. The decedents examined were all over 50.

Of the ten deaths, they found, five were very likely and two were probably related to vaccination; they considered one unclear, and in two they saw no causal relationship. What puzzled them, however, were the similarities among the cases they linked to vaccination.

In three cases, they found rare autoimmune diseases; one of them so rare that they only discovered it when they looked closely at the digitized image. They were Hashimoto’s, an autoimmune-triggered hypothyroidism; leukoclastic vasculitis, an inflammatory reaction in the capillaries that leads to skin bleeding; and Sjögren’s syndrome, an inflammation of the salivary and lacrimal glands.

https://principia-scientific.com/pathologists-shocking-finding-from-deaths-after-covid-19-jabs/

What kind of sources do you use? Regarding this one, from MediaBias/FactCheck:

"Overall, we rate Principia Scientific International (PSI) a strong conspiracy and Pseudoscience website promoting anti-vaccine propaganda and frequent misinformation regarding climate change."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/

From DeSmog:
"Principia Scientific International (PSI) is an organisation based in the United Kingdom which promotes fringe views and material to claim that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas."
https://www.desmog.com/principia-scientific-international/

Your source is a joke.

That site is literally a troll site. And they even admit as such. Amazing how gullible people are - even when they are let in on the joke

I like how they discovered these diseases by "looking at the digital image".

Image of what? 
Even so, sounds like these people had those diseases prior to the vaccination.

It's not even real.  The entire press conference is made up.  cikljamas just blindly copies and pastes stuff from whacko sites.

Quote from: cikljamas on October 13, 2021, 03:34:41 PM

https://principia-scientific.com/pathologists-shocking-finding-from-deaths-after-covid-19-jabs/

What kind of sources do you use? Regarding this one, from MediaBias/FactCheck:

"Overall, we rate Principia Scientific International (PSI) a strong conspiracy and Pseudoscience website promoting anti-vaccine propaganda and frequent misinformation regarding climate change."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/

From DeSmog:
"Principia Scientific International (PSI) is an organisation based in the United Kingdom which promotes fringe views and material to claim that carbon dioxide is not a greenhouse gas."
https://www.desmog.com/principia-scientific-international/

Your source is a joke.

Wow, don't you ever learn? Check your sources.  I clicked on that principia-scientific.com link and the article claims to be written by two professors.



When Google searching their names I find plenty of references that they are pathologists and a number of pages, bios, academic references and projects.

https://www.zwp-online.info/zwp-online-koepfe/prof-dr-arne-burkhardt



https://prabook.com/web/arne.burkhardt/42818



As far as I can tell this person is a doctor and a pathologist and publishes scores of references and publications which are easily found online.

https://amp.aidpool.com/en/offers/pathologist-herr-prof-dr-med-arne-burkhardt-o27161169/?oh=-2&c=198&collapse=1



Clicking on your two links in response we find that both of those links are written by ANONYMOUS WRITERS

From the top of the mediabiasfactcheck site:



There is no listed author here. We don't know whether they are a medical professional, or have the knowledge to understand or analyze this subject.

You don't check your sources.

You post any random thing you find online.

You think that articles with anonymous sources are better than articles by people with credentials in the field.

While criticizing a source you post embarrassing garbage sources that a teacher would scold a fifth grader for. Incredible. You have done this on multiple occasions. How old are you?

So I've been fully vaccinated and am still alive with no ill effects. Just like the hundreds of thousands of people in the city I live. Did we just 'get lucky'?

Or will we have a surprise within 2 years like dropping dead from a heart attack?

So I've been fully vaccinated and am still alive with no ill effects. Just like the hundreds of thousands of people in the city I live. Did we just 'get lucky'?

Or will we have a surprise within 2 years like dropping dead from a heart attack?

I think there is a rare chance of heart inflammation after getting it.

Tom, you are hilarious, as ever.

Professor Arne Burkhardt and Professor Walter Lang are real people.

It's the press conference that is made up.