What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?

Again, your model with a low pressure and high pressure side of the magnet will result in 2 high pressure sides moving away and 2 low pressure sides moving towards each other. But in reality, both of those arrangements repel.

And if you can't figure that out, try explaining why there are different phases of matter if there are no pulling forces.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 24, 2021, 11:25:08 PM

Quote from: Platonius21 on August 24, 2021, 09:38:51 AM

What causes the the direction of the "push" to change (in your theory). Why is one "pushed" away and the other "pushed" toward the large magnet?

Read back, I explained it.

Your "explanation" was that one was being repelled (pushed away) and the other was being pushed toward.

That is not an explanation, it is just a statement about which way the magnets move. Please explain WHY one small magnet moves away and the other moves toward the large magnet according to your "theory".  Why does the "push" change direction?

Strange how no one has ever noticed this enormous amount of air movement around every magnet (including the ones in high vacuum apparently).

Quote from: JackBlack on August 25, 2021, 05:09:26 AM

Again, your model with a low pressure and high pressure side of the magnet will result in 2 high pressure sides moving away and 2 low pressure sides moving towards each other. But in reality, both of those arrangements repel.
And if you can't figure that out, try explaining why there are different phases of matter if there are no pulling forces.

Draw what you mean.

Quote from: Platonius21 on August 25, 2021, 06:55:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 24, 2021, 11:25:08 PM

Quote from: Platonius21 on August 24, 2021, 09:38:51 AM

What causes the the direction of the "push" to change (in your theory). Why is one "pushed" away and the other "pushed" toward the large magnet?

Read back, I explained it.

Your "explanation" was that one was being repelled (pushed away) and the other was being pushed toward.
That is not an explanation, it is just a statement about which way the magnets move. Please explain WHY one small magnet moves away and the other moves toward the large magnet according to your "theory".  Why does the "push" change direction?

It depends on the orientation of all magnets.

Quote from: Platonius21 on August 25, 2021, 06:55:32 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 24, 2021, 11:25:08 PM

Quote from: Platonius21 on August 24, 2021, 09:38:51 AM

What causes the the direction of the "push" to change (in your theory). Why is one "pushed" away and the other "pushed" toward the large magnet?

Read back, I explained it.

Your "explanation" was that one was being repelled (pushed away) and the other was being pushed toward.

That is not an explanation, it is just a statement about which way the magnets move. Please explain WHY one small magnet moves away and the other moves toward the large magnet according to your "theory".  Why does the "push" change direction?

It depends on the orientation of all magnets.

The magnet is altering the atmospheric pressure and pushing it around the other magnet which pushes that magnet into the original.

No attraction, just push. In my opinion.

Provide your own or deal with this drawing first:

How does the right side push the left side to the right?

So you are saying your "atmospheric vortex" changes depending on the orientation of the magnets? Please explain that further, so we can understand it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2021, 11:30:57 PM

The magnet is altering the atmospheric pressure and pushing it around the other magnet which pushes that magnet into the original.

No attraction, just push. In my opinion.

The image below proves your rubbish theory is false.

If a change in atmospheric causes the magnet below to be "pushed" up to the magnet above, then what is keeping it there after it is "pushed" up? It stays attracted to the upper magnet for as long as I want to hold the upper magnet in place. It can't be atmospheric pressure still pushing it up from below, because I can hold it in place long enough that any atmospheric pressures differences will have equalized.



There is an attractive force that your rubbish theory cannot explain.

Quote from: JackBlack on August 28, 2021, 03:58:51 AM

Provide your own or deal with this drawing first:

How does the right side push the left side to the right?

Is that supposed to be a chain link?
One link and you're asking me what's pushing to the right?
Do you want me to go into the molecular side of this or do you want to add links and try again?

Start being a bit more honest with your set ups instead of playing Mr nasty all of the time because it doesn't work with me.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 29, 2021, 03:07:55 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on August 28, 2021, 03:58:51 AM

Provide your own or deal with this drawing first:

How does the right side push the left side to the right?

Is that supposed to be a chain link?
One link and you're asking me what's pushing to the right?
Do you want me to go into the molecular side of this or do you want to add links and try again?

Start being a bit more honest with your set ups instead of playing Mr nasty all of the time because it doesn't work with me.

Follow your own advice and start being honest. I'm not playing Mr Nasty, I'm just calling you out on your BS, trying to narrow it down to the key issue you cannot refute and cannot easily deflect from without it being obvious that you are ignoring the issue.

So yes, it is 1 link.
Do you know why?
Because you dishonestly focus on the interactions between the links to try claiming it is all push, while entirely ignoring the forces holding the link together, the pulling forces needed to keep the links solid.
If you want to go down to the molecular level to explain it, go ahead, just make sure you don't just replace with more links like that, which just pushes the problem back and raises the question of how those links are held together.

I know how mainstream science explains it, with the atoms pulling on each other. But you want to claim those pulling forces don't exist.

I know how mainstream science supposedly explains  everything but that does not mean it is a truth...and you know this if you are honest with yourself.

You want to go down to molecular level which means we have to go to the gobstopper and then the links from that as it's pushed apart by force.

Or we can add links to your link and show the push so it can be seen and understood.
Your pull has no relevance to the link because everything has to be squeezed or compressed so how can anything pull on anything?

You deliberately ply these games to ensure it's harder to explain from my side so you can go into frenzied raptures.
Get your head together and start being honest.

No, being honest means that mainstream science doesn't have an explanation for everything, and it is just our best understanding currently, with room for improvement. But that doesn't mean it is wrong.

Pointing out massive flaws with your claims, where your claims are contradicted by reality is not playing games.

It is showing your claims to be wrong. And yes, that means it is much harder for you to explain it, because you can't just deflect onto the links.

I have explained where pull fits in. The right side pulls the left side to the right.

If the force comes from the right, and is going to the right, then how can you push it to the right?

Stop deflecting and try to actually explain.
Explain how these gobstoppers and pushing things apart explains how a force pushing to the right is transferred to the left without any pulling.

Quote from: Platonius21 on August 28, 2021, 10:45:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2021, 11:30:57 PM

The magnet is altering the atmospheric pressure and pushing it around the other magnet which pushes that magnet into the original.

No attraction, just push. In my opinion.

The image below proves your rubbish theory is false.

If a change in atmospheric causes the magnet below to be "pushed" up to the magnet above, then what is keeping it there after it is "pushed" up? It stays attracted to the upper magnet for as long as I want to hold the upper magnet in place. It can't be atmospheric pressure still pushing it up from below, because I can hold it in place long enough that any atmospheric pressures differences will have equalized.



There is an attractive force that your rubbish theory cannot explain.

It becomes part of the other magnet because the pressure push has equalised the magnets and now holds those magnets together.

It doesn't mean it is right, either, which means you have no clue about you being right and have no legitimate argument to say I'm wrong

You aren't pointing out any flaws. You're making up your own arguments just to be contrary, nothing more.

That's no explanation at all and you know it.

You can't even offer anything for pull as you're familiar with.

By pushing to the left. It has to work evenly in all directions. Up and down and right to left and left to right...etc. And all angles 360 degrees.

Think of a balloon inside a balloon inside a balloon...etc....etc....etc.
Now imagine a room full of them in this fashion.
Now understand that the balloon in the centre of one balloon being compressed by the amount of other balloons it is inside.
Now imagine breaking down one balloon from that mass of balloons inside that balloon.
This peels off and creates a link to others around it and also a push from all angles.

It'll likely fly right over your head but I've explained so I don't really care.

Your rubbish theory has no explanation for the attractive force between the magnets, which makes sense because your rubbish theory is, well, rubbish.

No matter how much you claim you have explained, you haven't.

Quote from: Platonius21 on August 29, 2021, 05:49:42 AM

Your rubbish theory has no explanation for the attractive force between the magnets, which makes sense because your rubbish theory is, well, rubbish.

There is no attractive force between magnets, from my side.

Pay attention to what's been said or you'll just go backwards.

Like I said earlier. A total waste of time with you, to be fair.

I asked you three questions regarding your "explanation", and you have not answered any of them:

1. What does "it becomes part of the other magnet" mean?
2. What does "equalized the magnets" mean?
3. Where does the "push" come from that holds the lower magnet in place?

If you can't clarify your "explanation", then it means nothing.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 29, 2021, 11:45:50 PM

Quote from: Platonius21 on August 29, 2021, 05:49:42 AM

Your rubbish theory has no explanation for the attractive force between the magnets, which makes sense because your rubbish theory is, well, rubbish.

There is no attractive force between magnets, from my side.

Pay attention to what's been said or you'll just go backwards.

The part I'm having a hard time understanding is why don't the vortices created by the magnets push other stuff near them around?

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 29, 2021, 11:48:04 PM

Like I said earlier. A total waste of time with you, to be fair.

How about actually being fair and admitting the only reason it is a total waste of time is because you have no explanation and refuse to admit that you don't.

Again, how does the link hold itself together such that pushing the right side to the right causes the left side to also move to the right without any pulling force?

I asked you three questions regarding your "explanation", and you have not answered any of them:

1. What does "it becomes part of the other magnet" mean?

2. What does "equalized the magnets" mean?

3. Where does the "push" come from that holds the lower magnet in place?

If you can't clarify your "explanation", then it means nothing.

Quote from: Stash on August 30, 2021, 12:07:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 29, 2021, 11:45:50 PM

Quote from: Platonius21 on August 29, 2021, 05:49:42 AM

Your rubbish theory has no explanation for the attractive force between the magnets, which makes sense because your rubbish theory is, well, rubbish.

There is no attractive force between magnets, from my side.

Pay attention to what's been said or you'll just go backwards.

The part I'm having a hard time understanding is why don't the vortices created by the magnets push other stuff near them around?

Because other stuff does not have the same structural make up that metals that become magnets have.

Quote from: Platonius21

3. Where does the "push" come from that holds the lower magnet in place?

The push is from the atmosphere around it.

I try to play fair but you're a full on ******** and this is teh reason you generally get blanked or answered to in few words.

I was trying to get back on track with you but you're still the ********.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 30, 2021, 07:24:26 AM

Quote from: Stash on August 30, 2021, 12:07:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 29, 2021, 11:45:50 PM

Quote from: Platonius21 on August 29, 2021, 05:49:42 AM

Your rubbish theory has no explanation for the attractive force between the magnets, which makes sense because your rubbish theory is, well, rubbish.

There is no attractive force between magnets, from my side.

Pay attention to what's been said or you'll just go backwards.

The part I'm having a hard time understanding is why don't the vortices created by the magnets push other stuff near them around?

Because other stuff does not have the same structural make up that metals that become magnets have.

I still don't quite get it. If the atmospheric vortex emitted from one magnet causes the other nearby magnet to be attracted or repelled, how does this atmosphere know to bypass anything else in it's way? I mean it's just atmosphere, pressure, right? Or is it some sort of special atmospheric pressure that uniquely only affects magnetized material? If so, how does that work?

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 30, 2021, 07:30:34 AM

Quote from: Platonius21

3. Where does the "push" come from that holds the lower magnet in place?

The push is from the atmosphere around it.

So you are saying the atmosphere is constantly pushing the bottom magnet up.  But the atmospheric pressure has reached equilibrium after a short while, so how can it still be pushing up?

It's not the atmospheric pressure externally you need to think about. You know what it is capable of by simple evacuation tests.
It's what's trapped inside the magnets, which is massively broken down atmosphere. We're talking on the same lines as extreme low pressure gases.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 30, 2021, 11:59:26 PM

It's not the atmospheric pressure externally you need to think about. You know what it is capable of by simple evacuation tests.
It's what's trapped inside the magnets, which is massively broken down atmosphere. We're talking on the same lines as extreme low pressure gases.

You mean gas which is at such a low pressure that it can barely move anything?