Airlocks in the supposed LM's.

Since it isn't true and it is well known that everyone on Earth sees the same phase, no, nobody is going to agree with you.

Every person sees a full moon somewhere on Earth, at all times.
If I see a full moon then the full moon moves away from me, someone else sees a full moon.
Someone is always seeing a full moon.

Can any rational person see what I'm saying about someone somewhere on Earth will always see a full moon?

Can you tell me where on earth the full moon will be visible within the next 7 days?

Quote from: Stash on July 05, 2021, 02:22:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 04, 2021, 11:14:09 PM

Quote from: frenat on July 04, 2021, 02:11:56 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 03, 2021, 12:07:12 AM

Quote from: sobchak on July 02, 2021, 03:24:59 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 02, 2021, 02:04:41 AM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 01, 2021, 02:02:37 AM

I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?

The simple answer is......yes.

Well that's clearly bullshit. IF you were correct then you should be able to provide Moon phase tables that are specific to a region. In the real world however, everyone sees the same phase at the same time and phase tables work regardless of location.

How come you people cannot grasp what's been said?
Surely it can't be a coincidence.

Can any rational person see what I'm saying about someone somewhere on Earth will always see a full moon?

Like I said, your position is B:

Quote from: Stash on July 03, 2021, 11:53:59 AM

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in Sydney, at the same time, will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon, at the same time.

And no, no rational person could agree. Because it's so bloody simple to refute your notion or whatever delusion it is. As Frenat pointed out, as well as others, there are moon phase charts/calendars accessible to everyone on the planet. Literally no one has ever looked at one and said, "Hey, the Moon phase calendar shows today is a waxing cresent but I see a full moon..." No one.

Here's 2021:



Just so happens I was was up north in California camping recently and got some cool Moon shots. (I live in a city, light pollution is terrible for astrophotography, but being up in the wilds, the sky was like ink.) I shot the Moon on Friday-Saturday, June 25th/26th.
Look at the 2021 calendar above - June 25th was the day after the Full Moon. Here's my pic (It's not great, but kinda psyched about it because it was the first time I truly got to test out my Celestron C90 spotting scope lens on my Canon 5D):



Notice anything? It's exactly the same phase as what the calendar presents. Why would my random location exactly correspond to some random Moon phase calendar? I mean exactly.

If you really want to double down on your absurd notion that someone on the disc is seeing a different Moon phase than I am at the same time, we've got enough people from the 4 corners of the world here on the forum to do a test.

But really, absurd isn't even strong enough to describe what you're saying. It's so easily dispensed with you really, desperately, need to backtrack on it. Because its downright embarrassing how easily your B is completely and utterly nullified.

It might be wise that you people go back and read what I said.

Anyone care to help these people out by actually reading what I said?

You said here:

Quote from: sobchak on July 02, 2021, 03:24:59 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 02, 2021, 02:04:41 AM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 01, 2021, 02:02:37 AM

I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?

The simple answer is......yes.

Which is B:

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in the Sydney, at the same time, will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon.

If it’s somehow all of a sudden not B (And not A), what is it? Be super clear. Do you believe that 1 person at one location sees a completely different Moon phase than another person at another location all at the same time?

What is this, "Someone is always seeing a full moon.”? What does that mean?  Can I be looking at a half Moon, right now, today, and someone somewhere else at the exact same time, see a full Moon?

Be super, super, super clear.

Every person sees a full moon somewhere on Earth, at all times.
If I see a full moon then the full moon moves away from me, someone else sees a full moon.
Someone is always seeing a full moon.

Within a single 24 hour period each month, everyone on Earth sees a full Moon.  But only within that 24 hour period each month while the Moon is opposite the Sun in the sky.  That is why we see a full Moon.  Because the Earth facing part of the Moons disk is entirely illuminated by the Sun at that time.

A week beforehand within a 24 hour period, everyone sees a first quarter Moon.  No one will see a full Moon when there is only a 90 degee angle between the Sun, Earth and Moon.  It is physically impossible. You will never see a first quarter Moon in the morning sky just as you will never see a last quarter Moon in the evening sky.

The only time we don't see a Moon in the sky is at or very near to new Moon when the Moon lies directly between the Sun and the Earth.  Again we cannot see a full Moon because the sunlit part of the Moon is facing directly away from Earth.

That is not just 'what we are told. The evidence is up there in the sky for us all to see.   It ain't hard!  It is directly observable evidence for the fact that the Moon orbits the Earth once a month.

If you want to conjure up some other explanation because you believe we are all being misled by those in 'power' then that's up to you but I like to keep things simple and to explain the Moons phases as I have described above is logical, simple and it works!

You can argue about this as much as you like and you no doubt will because you want your beliefs to be right and all of us to be wrong.  But quite obviously it is your beliefs about the Moons phases that are wrong in this case.

No way can you all be missing the point. Not a chance.

We get the point.
You made a blatantly false claim, which is trivial to show is wrong, and now are trying to hide from it.

It all started because you wanted to claim the moon should be super super bright, even though evidence shows otherwise.
It only easy to be fooled into thinking it is massively bright during a full moon, when you have the moon quite well illuminated by the sun (like daytime on Earth), and it is the brightest thing in the dark night sky. With that, and your eyes adjusting for the darkness, it appears quite bright. Unlike say a half moon which is also visible during the day, when your eyes are adjusted for seeing the daylit Earth, and the moon almost blends in to the sky due to just how dull it is.

This particular tangent all started with you claiming:

People on Earth see a full moon all of the time.
The phases are only related to where a person is stood when the moonlight is obscured from their position, after full moon.

A factually incorrect statement, trivial to disprove and a vague one where you don't make it clear if it is related to their position relative to the moon (reality, where everyone sees the same phase at a particular time, assuming they could see the moon), or relative to Earth (fantasy, where different people seeing the moon at the same time see a different phase)

You then changed it to a factually correct but vague statement of:

At some stage all people see a full moon somewhere on Earth.

This could mean over time people will see a full moon, as at some point in time, there will be a full moon and everyone can see it.
Or, it could mean that over time, the full moon will be visible to a different region of Earth as the phases change based upon position.

You really should have just left it at that vague statement.

But you couldn't help yourself. That was because someone called what you claimed nonsense and you responded with this:

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 01, 2021, 02:02:37 AM

I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Which while technically correct, as Earth gets in the way for some people resulting in them not seeing the moon at all, and other people would be inside unable to see and so on, but the point conveyed was that these other people would see a different phase.

This was clarified:

Quote from: sobchak on July 02, 2021, 03:24:59 AM

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon?
Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?

Absolutely if you're on different parts of the Earth.

Where you agree that the phases of the moon depend on where on Earth you are standing.

So it is quite clear what you are claiming.
That the phase of the moon varies with location on Earth. That 2 people in different locations on Earth, both with a clear view of the moon, can be seeing fundamentally different phases, where for example, one person sees a full moon while another sees a half moon.

You even further emphasise this with this claim of yours:

Every person sees a full moon somewhere on Earth, at all times.
If I see a full moon then the full moon moves away from me, someone else sees a full moon.
Someone is always seeing a full moon.

Again, this is factually incorrect.

Currently the phase of the moon is a waning Crescent.
Just where on Earth can anyone see a full moon?

Here is a rare photo of a full moon from when everyone on Earth had a new moon:
https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/epic-galleries/2015/lunar_transit/full/197_2015197222104.png
(due to the way in which the picture is taken, taking the separate colour images in sequence, there is significant chromatic distortions, with the moon moving while the picture was being taken)
This is also a strange full moon as it shows the far side of the moon, rather than the near side we are all familiar with.

And because the camera is adjusted for taking images of Earth brightly lit up by the sun, the moon doesn't really appear bright at all.

But if you are on Earth, EVERYONE who can see the moon, sees the same phase at the same time.

I actually believe that comes from you people.

Of course you would, as you are replacing reality with fantasy, and dismissing reality as fantasy. So when people provide reality, you believe they are providing fantasy.

But the big distinction is we can show your claims are fantasy. But all you can do is dismiss reality with blatant lies.
Lies like claiming people need 3000 l or oxygen per hour, which would require them in the simplest case to be consuming around 80 kg of sugar per day (if instead you wanted food which contained more than just sugar, something like steak, you are looking at several hundred kg, possibly even several thousand).

That means your claim of 3000 l per hour, is pure fantasy.
A lie you made to pretend that the tanks on the PLSS could only last 30 minutes.
A lie you stated it as a fact.

That means you are the one presenting fantasy as fact.

And to further this you avoid trivial questions which expose that fantasy, like an explanation of how you reached that 3000 l per hour.

And how you continually acted like "8 l" was a valid answer to how much oxygen the tank contained, without explaining what pressure.

But you then indicated, it could be liquid oxygen (it isn't by the way. Boiling off the liquid oxygen would require a lot of heat. It is much simpler to just have a pressurised tank).
I don't think you realised just how much oxygen 8 l of liquid oxygen is.
If you took 1 l of liquid oxygen, and let it boil and reach STP, it would become roughly 800 l.
That would mean those 8 l, becomes over 6000 l. (roughly 6400 l).
That means even with your ridiculous 3000 l per hour, it would last the astronauts 2 hours.
Not the 30 minutes you claim it would.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 04, 2021, 11:14:09 PM

Can any rational person see what I'm saying about someone somewhere on Earth will always see a full moon?

Can you tell me where on earth the full moon will be visible within the next 7 days?

Somewhere and that's the entire point.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 05, 2021, 07:19:10 AM

Quote from: Stash on July 05, 2021, 02:22:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 04, 2021, 11:14:09 PM

Quote from: frenat on July 04, 2021, 02:11:56 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 03, 2021, 12:07:12 AM

Quote from: sobchak on July 02, 2021, 03:24:59 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 02, 2021, 02:04:41 AM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 01, 2021, 02:02:37 AM

I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?

The simple answer is......yes.

Well that's clearly bullshit. IF you were correct then you should be able to provide Moon phase tables that are specific to a region. In the real world however, everyone sees the same phase at the same time and phase tables work regardless of location.

How come you people cannot grasp what's been said?
Surely it can't be a coincidence.

Can any rational person see what I'm saying about someone somewhere on Earth will always see a full moon?

Like I said, your position is B:

Quote from: Stash on July 03, 2021, 11:53:59 AM

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in Sydney, at the same time, will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon, at the same time.

And no, no rational person could agree. Because it's so bloody simple to refute your notion or whatever delusion it is. As Frenat pointed out, as well as others, there are moon phase charts/calendars accessible to everyone on the planet. Literally no one has ever looked at one and said, "Hey, the Moon phase calendar shows today is a waxing cresent but I see a full moon..." No one.

Here's 2021:



Just so happens I was was up north in California camping recently and got some cool Moon shots. (I live in a city, light pollution is terrible for astrophotography, but being up in the wilds, the sky was like ink.) I shot the Moon on Friday-Saturday, June 25th/26th.
Look at the 2021 calendar above - June 25th was the day after the Full Moon. Here's my pic (It's not great, but kinda psyched about it because it was the first time I truly got to test out my Celestron C90 spotting scope lens on my Canon 5D):



Notice anything? It's exactly the same phase as what the calendar presents. Why would my random location exactly correspond to some random Moon phase calendar? I mean exactly.

If you really want to double down on your absurd notion that someone on the disc is seeing a different Moon phase than I am at the same time, we've got enough people from the 4 corners of the world here on the forum to do a test.

But really, absurd isn't even strong enough to describe what you're saying. It's so easily dispensed with you really, desperately, need to backtrack on it. Because its downright embarrassing how easily your B is completely and utterly nullified.

It might be wise that you people go back and read what I said.

Anyone care to help these people out by actually reading what I said?

You said here:

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 03, 2021, 12:07:12 AM

Quote from: sobchak on July 02, 2021, 03:24:59 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 02, 2021, 02:04:41 AM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 01, 2021, 02:02:37 AM

I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?

The simple answer is......yes.

Which is B:

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in the Sydney, at the same time, will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon.

If it’s somehow all of a sudden not B (And not A), what is it? Be super clear. Do you believe that 1 person at one location sees a completely different Moon phase than another person at another location all at the same time?

What is this, "Someone is always seeing a full moon.”? What does that mean?  Can I be looking at a half Moon, right now, today, and someone somewhere else at the exact same time, see a full Moon?

Be super, super, super clear.

I have been super clear but you people go into moon phase raptures when that is not what I was suggesting.

Pay closer attention to what I did say.

Quote from: markjo on July 05, 2021, 09:54:58 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 04, 2021, 11:14:09 PM

Can any rational person see what I'm saying about someone somewhere on Earth will always see a full moon?

Can you tell me where on earth the full moon will be visible within the next 7 days?

Somewhere and that's the entire point.

"Super clear" indeed.

Having people run circles trying to figure out what the syntax mess spouted means is scepti’s way of asserting dominance. It sure as hell isn’t the brilliant use of logic or show of knowledge.

Quote from: markjo on July 05, 2021, 09:54:58 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 04, 2021, 11:14:09 PM

Can any rational person see what I'm saying about someone somewhere on Earth will always see a full moon?

Can you tell me where on earth the full moon will be visible within the next 7 days?

Somewhere and that's the entire point.

Sceptimatic, I know you believe this and you are entitled to your beliefs, but I am genuinely interested in why you believe this. 

I mean - you have no knowledge of what phases of the moon the rest of the world sees, so you cant know that somewhere someone is now seeing a full moon.

And it doesn't even seem to be important to your worldview, if the moon is just a reflection against a flat dome, there is no need for people to see different reflections dependent on where they are, right?

So it seems strange that you are so adamant that your imagination is correct here, can I ask why you made this up and why you need to believe that it is true?

Quote from: Stash on July 05, 2021, 10:03:22 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 05, 2021, 07:19:10 AM

Quote from: Stash on July 05, 2021, 02:22:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 04, 2021, 11:14:09 PM

Quote from: frenat on July 04, 2021, 02:11:56 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 03, 2021, 12:07:12 AM

Quote from: sobchak on July 02, 2021, 03:24:59 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 02, 2021, 02:04:41 AM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 01, 2021, 02:02:37 AM

I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?

The simple answer is......yes.

Well that's clearly bullshit. IF you were correct then you should be able to provide Moon phase tables that are specific to a region. In the real world however, everyone sees the same phase at the same time and phase tables work regardless of location.

How come you people cannot grasp what's been said?
Surely it can't be a coincidence.

Can any rational person see what I'm saying about someone somewhere on Earth will always see a full moon?

Like I said, your position is B:

Quote from: Stash on July 03, 2021, 11:53:59 AM

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in Sydney, at the same time, will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon, at the same time.

And no, no rational person could agree. Because it's so bloody simple to refute your notion or whatever delusion it is. As Frenat pointed out, as well as others, there are moon phase charts/calendars accessible to everyone on the planet. Literally no one has ever looked at one and said, "Hey, the Moon phase calendar shows today is a waxing cresent but I see a full moon..." No one.

Here's 2021:



Just so happens I was was up north in California camping recently and got some cool Moon shots. (I live in a city, light pollution is terrible for astrophotography, but being up in the wilds, the sky was like ink.) I shot the Moon on Friday-Saturday, June 25th/26th.
Look at the 2021 calendar above - June 25th was the day after the Full Moon. Here's my pic (It's not great, but kinda psyched about it because it was the first time I truly got to test out my Celestron C90 spotting scope lens on my Canon 5D):



Notice anything? It's exactly the same phase as what the calendar presents. Why would my random location exactly correspond to some random Moon phase calendar? I mean exactly.

If you really want to double down on your absurd notion that someone on the disc is seeing a different Moon phase than I am at the same time, we've got enough people from the 4 corners of the world here on the forum to do a test.

But really, absurd isn't even strong enough to describe what you're saying. It's so easily dispensed with you really, desperately, need to backtrack on it. Because its downright embarrassing how easily your B is completely and utterly nullified.

It might be wise that you people go back and read what I said.

Anyone care to help these people out by actually reading what I said?

You said here:

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 03, 2021, 12:07:12 AM

Quote from: sobchak on July 02, 2021, 03:24:59 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 02, 2021, 02:04:41 AM

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 01, 2021, 02:02:37 AM

I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?

The simple answer is......yes.

Which is B:

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in the Sydney, at the same time, will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon.

If it’s somehow all of a sudden not B (And not A), what is it? Be super clear. Do you believe that 1 person at one location sees a completely different Moon phase than another person at another location all at the same time?

What is this, "Someone is always seeing a full moon.”? What does that mean?  Can I be looking at a half Moon, right now, today, and someone somewhere else at the exact same time, see a full Moon?

Be super, super, super clear.

I have been super clear but you people go into moon phase raptures when that is not what I was suggesting.

Pay closer attention to what I did say.

The point is you're not being clear at all. You just answered Markjo that there will be a full moon visible to someone on earth in the next 7 days. The thing is, there won't be one visible to someone on earth in the next 7 days - The next visible full moon will be on July 23rd. That would be 18 days from now.

So be clear. Here's a simple yes or no question:

Do you believe that within the next 7 days someone on the planet will be able to see a Full Moon?

Yes or No

I have been super clear but you people go into moon phase raptures when that is not what I was suggesting.

Raptures, hahaha!  Checking the phase of the moon is a very simple observation that anyone in the world can make, with no equipment and no relying on anyone else.  The kind of zetetic observation that Flat Earthers claim to be all about. 

Pay closer attention to what I did say.

OK, like this:

Quote from: markjo on July 05, 2021, 09:54:58 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 04, 2021, 11:14:09 PM

Can any rational person see what I'm saying about someone somewhere on Earth will always see a full moon?

Can you tell me where on earth the full moon will be visible within the next 7 days?

Somewhere and that's the entire point.

You say somewhere, thousands of years of astronomy say nowhere. 

So why don’t you test this?  Really, find out if the things you think make sense match reality or
not. 

The question is do you actually want to know the truth?

Quote from: markjo on July 05, 2021, 09:54:58 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 04, 2021, 11:14:09 PM

Can any rational person see what I'm saying about someone somewhere on Earth will always see a full moon?

Can you tell me where on earth the full moon will be visible within the next 7 days?

Somewhere and that's the entire point.

The point is it is nowhere on Earth.
That is why you likely can't answer.
If you want to see a full moon on Earth you will need to wait until ~July 23rd (depending on timezone).

You cannot see a full moon ANYWHERE on Earth over the next 7 days.

If you want to claim we can see the full moon somewhere on Earth over the next 7 days, tell us where.

And again, where is your justification for 3000 l/hr?

And are you going to acknowledge that even with the insane numbers you provided, they would still get 2 hours out of that tank?

Somewhere and that's the entire point.

And exactly where is 'somewhere' (as in somewhere on Earth) given that the current Moon phase from where I am is waning crescent? I saw the Moon just a couple of days ago and so my own eyes confirmed it.  I didn't need to be told that.

https://heavens-above.com/moon.aspx?lat=0&lng=0&loc=Unspecified&alt=0&tz=UCT

Notice the above link is generic.  I.e. not specific to any particular location.  It doesn't need to be since at any particular moment the visible phase of the Moon, as seen from anywhere in the world, is the same.  Just to make absolutely sure, try adding some different and random figures for latitude and longitude and see if the displayed visible phase of the Moon ever changes to full Moon.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 05, 2021, 10:39:52 PM

I have been super clear but you people go into moon phase raptures when that is not what I was suggesting.

Raptures, hahaha!  Checking the phase of the moon is a very simple observation that anyone in the world can make, with no equipment and no relying on anyone else.  The kind of zetetic observation that Flat Earthers claim to be all about. 

Quote

Pay closer attention to what I did say.

OK, like this:

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 05, 2021, 10:38:36 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 05, 2021, 09:54:58 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 04, 2021, 11:14:09 PM

Can any rational person see what I'm saying about someone somewhere on Earth will always see a full moon?

Can you tell me where on earth the full moon will be visible within the next 7 days?

Somewhere and that's the entire point.

You say somewhere, thousands of years of astronomy say nowhere. 

So why don’t you test this?  Really, find out if the things you think make sense match reality or
not. 

The question is do you actually want to know the truth?

well you willl have to coorborate with someone at the different location of what they're seeing.
at some point there should be a trust.
will scepy trust someone?
o rwill the trust only go to the point of "it doesn't follow my beliefs therefore indoctrined!"?

Quote from: frenat on July 05, 2021, 06:05:58 AM

Since it isn't true and it is well known that everyone on Earth sees the same phase, no, nobody is going to agree with you.

Every person sees a full moon somewhere on Earth, at all times.
If I see a full moon then the full moon moves away from me, someone else sees a full moon.
Someone is always seeing a full moon.

Do you mean, in a 48 hour period? If I see a new moon tonight and my location rotates away from it's view, someone else rotates into it's view. Same with the full moon.

Come on, man. Am I missing something in your post? I can't believe with all your posts, you slip up with the moon and fall in the drink.

Be a good sport, what's going on?

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 05, 2021, 07:22:58 AM

Quote from: frenat on July 05, 2021, 06:05:58 AM

Since it isn't true and it is well known that everyone on Earth sees the same phase, no, nobody is going to agree with you.

Every person sees a full moon somewhere on Earth, at all times.
If I see a full moon then the full moon moves away from me, someone else sees a full moon.
Someone is always seeing a full moon.

Do you mean, in a 48 hour period? If I see a new moon tonight and my location rotates away from it's view, someone else rotates into it's view. Same with the full moon.

Come on, man. Am I missing something in your post? I can't believe with all your posts, you slip up with the moon and fall in the drink.

Be a good sport, what's going on?

There's nothing going on. You just answered it.

So you have all the information apparently.
Care to draw up a model?

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 06, 2021, 03:10:26 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 05, 2021, 07:22:58 AM

Quote from: frenat on July 05, 2021, 06:05:58 AM

Since it isn't true and it is well known that everyone on Earth sees the same phase, no, nobody is going to agree with you.

Every person sees a full moon somewhere on Earth, at all times.
If I see a full moon then the full moon moves away from me, someone else sees a full moon.
Someone is always seeing a full moon.

Do you mean, in a 48 hour period? If I see a new moon tonight and my location rotates away from it's view, someone else rotates into it's view. Same with the full moon.

Come on, man. Am I missing something in your post? I can't believe with all your posts, you slip up with the moon and fall in the drink.

Be a good sport, what's going on?

There's nothing going on. You just answered it.

So where will a full moon be seen in the next 7 days?  Just name one place.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on July 06, 2021, 03:10:26 AM

Do you mean, in a 48 hour period? If I see a new moon tonight and my location rotates away from it's view, someone else rotates into it's view. Same with the full moon.

Come on, man. Am I missing something in your post? I can't believe with all your posts, you slip up with the moon and fall in the drink.

Be a good sport, what's going on?

There's nothing going on. You just answered it.

No, he just explained how your claim is wrong.
When it is a full moon, ~everyone can see it within a 24 hour period.
But when it isn't the full moon, such as today, no one on Earth can see a full moon within that 24 hour period.

And again, where is your justification for 3000 l/hr?

And are you going to acknowledge that even with the insane numbers you provided, they would still get 2 hours out of that tank?

Every person sees a full moon somewhere on Earth, at all times.

Correct. Incorrect.

If I see a full moon then the full moon moves away from me, someone else sees a full moon.

Yes when you see  a full Moon that's because the Moon is full on that particular day. On that day astronomers could say the Moon is at opposition.  In so far as it rises as the Sun sets.  Hence the Moon is on the opposite side of the sky to the Sun.  Sun-Moon elongation = 180 degrees. As it sets from your location it is rising as the full Moon from somewhere west of you.

Someone is always seeing a full moon.

Not true.  We only see a full Moon on one day (or possibly two) days each month.

If you want to be pedantic about all this you could say that the full disk of the Earth facing side of the Moon is always visible to us. Hence when we see a crescent Moon we can also often see the outline of the full Moon due to Earth shine on the part of the Moons disk which is not in sunlight. But it is only fully illuminated (by the Sun) for one day each month.  The term 'full Moon' though relates purely to the phase cycle (as does first quarter, last quarter, new etc) and so it would be wrong to say that we always see a 'full moon'.

If your insistence that someone on Earth can always see a full Moon somewhere on Earth then that would immediately make every Moon phase timetable ever published wrong because they only ever specify full Moon on a particular day (or two) each month. Here are three examples...which all seem to agree with each other when you compare the phases and the dates each month.

https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases/

https://www.mooninfo.org/moon-phases/2021.html

https://www.calendar-365.com/moon-calendar/2021/July.html

So which would you go for?  You are wrong or the timetables are wrong?

I have a suspicion here.

Scepti, can you define what you mean by Full Moon?

I have a suspicion here.

Scepti, can you define what you mean by Full Moon?

Being able to see a full moon face. The circle of what people know as, the moon.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on July 06, 2021, 08:18:14 AM

I have a suspicion here.

Scepti, can you define what you mean by Full Moon?

Being able to see a full moon face. The circle of what people know as, the moon.

So where will someone be able to see a full moon today?

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 06, 2021, 08:30:09 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on July 06, 2021, 08:18:14 AM

I have a suspicion here.

Scepti, can you define what you mean by Full Moon?

Being able to see a full moon face. The circle of what people know as, the moon.

So where will someone be able to see a full moon today?

Full moon for scepti is the entire moon face regardless of it the shadow or illuminated areas.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 06, 2021, 09:34:33 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 06, 2021, 08:30:09 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on July 06, 2021, 08:18:14 AM

I have a suspicion here.

Scepti, can you define what you mean by Full Moon?

Being able to see a full moon face. The circle of what people know as, the moon.

So where will someone be able to see a full moon today?

Full moon for scepti is the entire moon face regardless of it the shadow or illuminated areas.

I think he means a complete circle is visible.    That is




He may be playing games, but don't think he's playing that one.  Maybe he can confirm and tell us where on the planet we can see such a sight in the next week?

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 06, 2021, 09:34:33 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 06, 2021, 08:30:09 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on July 06, 2021, 08:18:14 AM

I have a suspicion here.

Scepti, can you define what you mean by Full Moon?

Being able to see a full moon face. The circle of what people know as, the moon.

So where will someone be able to see a full moon today?

Full moon for scepti is the entire moon face regardless of it the shadow or illuminated areas.

So in essence he is just ignoring the word "phase"? And "Full Moon" to him just means "The Moon"? And "Crescent Moon" just means "The Moon" and so on?

By making up his own definition of what he calls the 'full Moon' Sceptimatic seems to think that he can automatically lay claim to being right. It's a bit sad though when you are so committed in your beliefs that you have to resort to making up your own definitions in order to make it seem like you are right in what you believe.

To everyone else I have ever met the term 'full Moon' means we can see the whole of the Moons Earth facing side illuminated by reflected sunlight. Sceptimatic though seems to be redefining 'full Moon' as meaning something different.  When I see an evening crescent Moon re-appear in the western sky a few days after new Moon I can see the faint outline of the unlit portion of the disk as well.  But that doesn't make it a 'full Moon'. It is still a crescent Moon.

I'm still intrigued though how this phase cycle can happen if the Moon was some sort of reflected image of a hologram.  I guess Sceptimatic is the only person who can explain that!

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on July 06, 2021, 08:18:14 AM

I have a suspicion here.
Scepti, can you define what you mean by Full Moon?

Being able to see a full moon face. The circle of what people know as, the moon.

Do you mean the full face lit up ("like a beacon" as you would say) or do you just mean the ability to see the moon?

After all, this did all start when someone showed the moon as a tiny crescent with you claiming someone can always see the full moon. That would imply the former, which is obviously false.

And again, where is your justification for 3000 l/hr?

And are you going to acknowledge that even with the insane numbers you provided, they would still get 2 hours out of that tank?