Airlocks in the supposed LM's.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #300 on: July 02, 2021, 09:09:04 AM »




Does your carbonite powered holographic projected moon not have phases?


Ahhh right, so  your men on your moon were in darkness and not lit up except for a spotlight. Is this right?

Considering we see a full moon all the time on Earth...lit up like a beacon but the men on your moon were not on the beacon lit side, they were around the back.......is this right?


So basically it's not your sun illuminating your moon as we see it, right?
The sun can only make spotlight illuminations on your moon but we see it lit up like a beacon.

Does Earth shine your moon up like a beacon if it's not your sun?

What in the world are you going on about? We see a full moon all of the time? So your carbonite powered holographic projected moon does not have phases? But the rest of us see the phases of the moon? How does that work?
People on Earth see a full moon all of the time.

You know fine well what I'm going on about.
The phases are only related to where a person is stood when the moonlight is obscured from their position, after full moon.

You know fine well what I'm saying.

No, I donít know what youíre saying. People on earth donít see a full moon all of the time. Only when itís a full moon. Which is not all of the time.

Are you now saying that you and I see different phases at the same time depending upon where we are standing? If so, around 7+ billion people disagree. How does that work?

And why canít light reflect off the moon?
At some stage all people see a full moon somewhere on Earth.

Let's be super clear here. Are you saying:

A) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in the Northern Hemisphere & 1 person in the Southern Hemisphere at the same time will see the exact same phase but just a different orientation. Ex.:



OR

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in the Northern Hemisphere & 1 person in the Southern Hemisphere at the same time will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon.
I claim nobody has gone to Chile from Australia. So somebody is killing passangers.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #301 on: July 02, 2021, 10:59:35 AM »
Did you account for "Moon visionTM"?




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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #302 on: July 02, 2021, 02:00:39 PM »
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The surface of the moon has a similar brightness to the surface of Earth.
Not judging by the pictures/video we are all shown. Absolute utter nonsense.
How are we making the comparison here?  The apparent 'brightness' of the surface is given by the geometric albedo, i.e. percentage of incident light which is reflected. In which case Moon = 12%, Earth = 39% (remember the Vangelis Album 'Albedo = 0.39') while Venus is almost 70%.
Rough comparison based upon similar distance to the sun and similar albedo, noting that the albedo on Earth varies quite a lot (from almost 0 to almost 1) depending on what you are looking at.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #303 on: July 03, 2021, 12:02:44 AM »

Oh, and the excessive heat and water was boiled out of the astronaut's spacesuits into the moon atmosphere.

Your moon doesn't have an atmosphere.

Have another go.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #304 on: July 03, 2021, 12:04:24 AM »
Your vacuum would offer zero resistance to an expelled water/oxygen/co2...etc from your so called astronauts suit/backpack.
Yet before you said it would magically be stopped.

I didn't say magically stopped. I said it would simply freeze at the exit and block the rest in that scenario.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #305 on: July 03, 2021, 12:05:09 AM »
I just wondered where you got the figure of 3000 litres an hour from because all the websites I checked out seemed to be pretty consistent with 300-400 litres per hour.  Your claim is an order of magnitude more so bit of a difference!  Or did you just conjure up 3000 off the top of your head?

Nah not trying to help anyone really.  I don't think they need it.
Same type of places you got yours from.
I wonder which one's are correct?

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #306 on: July 03, 2021, 12:07:12 AM »


I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?
The simple answer is......yes.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #307 on: July 03, 2021, 12:10:38 AM »

What is "moon vision"? ???
It means, if you're arguing for a vacuum of space around your moon then your moon would never be seen.


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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #308 on: July 03, 2021, 12:13:00 AM »




Does your carbonite powered holographic projected moon not have phases?


Ahhh right, so  your men on your moon were in darkness and not lit up except for a spotlight. Is this right?

Considering we see a full moon all the time on Earth...lit up like a beacon but the men on your moon were not on the beacon lit side, they were around the back.......is this right?


So basically it's not your sun illuminating your moon as we see it, right?
The sun can only make spotlight illuminations on your moon but we see it lit up like a beacon.

Does Earth shine your moon up like a beacon if it's not your sun?

What in the world are you going on about? We see a full moon all of the time? So your carbonite powered holographic projected moon does not have phases? But the rest of us see the phases of the moon? How does that work?
People on Earth see a full moon all of the time.

You know fine well what I'm going on about.
The phases are only related to where a person is stood when the moonlight is obscured from their position, after full moon.

You know fine well what I'm saying.

No, I donít know what youíre saying. People on earth donít see a full moon all of the time. Only when itís a full moon. Which is not all of the time.

Are you now saying that you and I see different phases at the same time depending upon where we are standing? If so, around 7+ billion people disagree. How does that work?

And why canít light reflect off the moon?
At some stage all people see a full moon somewhere on Earth.

Let's be super clear here. Are you saying:

A) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in the Northern Hemisphere & 1 person in the Southern Hemisphere at the same time will see the exact same phase but just a different orientation. Ex.:



OR

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in the Northern Hemisphere & 1 person in the Southern Hemisphere at the same time will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon.
I don't recognise northern and southern hemispheres.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #309 on: July 03, 2021, 12:50:55 AM »




Does your carbonite powered holographic projected moon not have phases?


Ahhh right, so  your men on your moon were in darkness and not lit up except for a spotlight. Is this right?

Considering we see a full moon all the time on Earth...lit up like a beacon but the men on your moon were not on the beacon lit side, they were around the back.......is this right?


So basically it's not your sun illuminating your moon as we see it, right?
The sun can only make spotlight illuminations on your moon but we see it lit up like a beacon.

Does Earth shine your moon up like a beacon if it's not your sun?

What in the world are you going on about? We see a full moon all of the time? So your carbonite powered holographic projected moon does not have phases? But the rest of us see the phases of the moon? How does that work?
People on Earth see a full moon all of the time.

You know fine well what I'm going on about.
The phases are only related to where a person is stood when the moonlight is obscured from their position, after full moon.

You know fine well what I'm saying.

No, I donít know what youíre saying. People on earth donít see a full moon all of the time. Only when itís a full moon. Which is not all of the time.

Are you now saying that you and I see different phases at the same time depending upon where we are standing? If so, around 7+ billion people disagree. How does that work?

And why canít light reflect off the moon?
At some stage all people see a full moon somewhere on Earth.

Let's be super clear here. Are you saying:

A) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in the Northern Hemisphere & 1 person in the Southern Hemisphere at the same time will see the exact same phase but just a different orientation. Ex.:



OR

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in the Northern Hemisphere & 1 person in the Southern Hemisphere at the same time will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon.
I don't recognise northern and southern hemispheres.

Understood. And nice deflection. So let me re-phrase:

Let's be super clear here. Are you saying:

A) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in Sydney, at the same time, will see the exact same phase but just a different orientation. Ex.:



OR

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in Sydney, at the same time, will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon, at the same time.
I claim nobody has gone to Chile from Australia. So somebody is killing passangers.

Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #310 on: July 03, 2021, 02:17:17 AM »

I don't recognise northern and southern hemispheres.


Do yoh recognize the equator?
That something differnetly happens to the sky on either side?

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #311 on: July 03, 2021, 03:17:21 AM »
I didn't say magically stopped. I said it would simply freeze at the exit and block the rest in that scenario.
While you didn't use the word magic, your claim requires magic.

And yet again you contradict yourself, and ignore the simple questions you cannot answer.

Once more, make up your mind, will the water just fly off into space and expand? Or will it freeze?

If it freezes, where does all the heat go?

And once more:
How much oxygen is in the tank? Again, litres is a useless measurement unless you give a pressure or specify that it is liquid oxygen.
And how much oxygen is needed to breathe? Not your pure BS 3000 l/hr, which is clearly pure BS, but an actual justified number.


It means, if you're arguing for a vacuum of space around your moon then your moon would never be seen.
Why?
Do you have any justification at all?

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?
The simple answer is......yes.
Unless you are appealing to people not on Earth, that "simple answer" is pure BS.

You can look up the reported phase of the moon all around the globe, and it never happens that people see different phases of the moon so one sees a full moon while the other sees a half moon.

So there you go with more wilful rejection of reality.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #312 on: July 03, 2021, 05:19:48 AM »
Understood. And nice deflection. So let me re-phrase:

Let's be super clear here. Are you saying:

A) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in Sydney, at the same time, will see the exact same phase but just a different orientation. Ex.:



OR

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in Sydney, at the same time, will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon, at the same time.
No, none of those.

What I am saying is, at any one time someone somewhere over the world will be seeing a full moon.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #313 on: July 03, 2021, 05:20:46 AM »

I don't recognise northern and southern hemispheres.


Do yoh recognize the equator?
That something differnetly happens to the sky on either side?
There's always something different happening the the sky all over the world.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #314 on: July 03, 2021, 05:21:39 AM »

While you didn't use the word magic, your claim requires magic.

Magic does not exist and anything.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #315 on: July 03, 2021, 05:39:27 AM »
While you didn't use the word magic, your claim requires magic.
Magic does not exist and anything.
And that is the problem for your claim. Your claim requires magic. Magic doesn't exist. That makes your claim impossible.

Again, if you want to claim that the water will magically freeze and block the exit, you need to use magic.
If you don't want to use magic you need to explain where the heat goes to allow the water to freeze.

And again you flee from the trivial questions which expose your lies:
How much oxygen is in the tank? Again, litres is a useless measurement unless you give a pressure or specify that it is liquid oxygen.
And how much oxygen is needed to breathe? Not your pure BS 3000 l/hr, which is clearly pure BS, but an actual justified number.

Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #316 on: July 03, 2021, 06:10:45 AM »

Oh, and the excessive heat and water was boiled out of the astronaut's spacesuits into the moon atmosphere.

Your moon doesn't have an atmosphere.

Have another go.

Are you sure? Your moon may be made of luminous cheese, but from what I've read, the moon has an atmosphere.

The moon's atmosphere contains neon, helium, and hydrogen. It also contains argon-40, methane, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, sodium, potassium, ammonia, radon, and polonium. It's virtually devoid of oxygen.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #317 on: July 03, 2021, 06:36:18 AM »
Understood. And nice deflection. So let me re-phrase:

Let's be super clear here. Are you saying:

A) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in Sydney, at the same time, will see the exact same phase but just a different orientation. Ex.:



OR

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in Sydney, at the same time, will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon, at the same time.
No, none of those.

What I am saying is, at any one time someone somewhere over the world will be seeing a full moon.

Did you read B?

You literally said neither A or B and then said exactly what B said.

Your willful ignorance is astounding.
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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #318 on: July 03, 2021, 06:38:43 AM »

Oh, and the excessive heat and water was boiled out of the astronaut's spacesuits into the moon atmosphere.

Your moon doesn't have an atmosphere.

Have another go.

Are you sure? Your moon may be made of luminous cheese, but from what I've read, the moon has an atmosphere.

The moon's atmosphere contains neon, helium, and hydrogen. It also contains argon-40, methane, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, sodium, potassium, ammonia, radon, and polonium. It's virtually devoid of oxygen.
Keep reading those books to make you book smarter for regurgitation.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #319 on: July 03, 2021, 06:40:07 AM »

And that is the problem for your claim.
I  don't have a problem with it.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #320 on: July 03, 2021, 06:41:37 AM »


Your willful ignorance is astounding.
So is yours.

Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #321 on: July 03, 2021, 07:06:53 AM »

I don't recognise northern and southern hemispheres.


Do yoh recognize the equator?
That something differnetly happens to the sky on either side?

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #322 on: July 03, 2021, 07:11:02 AM »

I don't recognise northern and southern hemispheres.


Do yoh recognize the equator?
That something differnetly happens to the sky on either side?
Explain yourself. Tell me where you were stood and what you observed?

Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #323 on: July 03, 2021, 07:17:36 AM »
Deflect away.
What do you think?

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #324 on: July 03, 2021, 07:19:31 AM »
Deflect away.
What do you think?
Explain yourself. Tell me where you were stood and what you observed?

Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #325 on: July 03, 2021, 07:58:33 AM »
i follow the indoctrined

your turn

Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #326 on: July 03, 2021, 08:00:27 AM »


I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?
The simple answer is......yes.

That would be cool. 

This is just how you imagine it to be in your fantasy world though, right?  You dont have any personal knowledge that this is the case though?

Is it just another thing you made up?

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #327 on: July 03, 2021, 08:39:42 AM »

What is "moon vision"? ???
It means, if you're arguing for a vacuum of space around your moon then your moon would never be seen.
Wait, what?  Vacuum blocks light now?  I must add this to the book. 

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #328 on: July 03, 2021, 11:53:59 AM »
Understood. And nice deflection. So let me re-phrase:

Let's be super clear here. Are you saying:

A) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in Sydney, at the same time, will see the exact same phase but just a different orientation. Ex.:



OR

B) That depending upon where someone is, let's say 1 person in London & 1 person in Sydney, at the same time, will see different phases, regardless of orientation. Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon, at the same time.
No, none of those.

What I am saying is, at any one time someone somewhere over the world will be seeing a full moon.

So that would be B, right? How is "at any one time someone somewhere over the world will be seeing a full moon." different than my B example of "Ex., 1 person sees a full moon and 1 person sees a crescent moon, at the same time."?
I claim nobody has gone to Chile from Australia. So somebody is killing passangers.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #329 on: July 03, 2021, 01:40:40 PM »
What is "moon vision"? ???
It means, if you're arguing for a vacuum of space around your moon then your moon would never be seen.
*sigh* I think that you're mistaking luminiferous aether for air.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether
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