Airlocks in the supposed LM's.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #270 on: June 30, 2021, 10:40:17 PM »

Get a telescope, look at the moon. 
The moon reflects light, it doesn't make light.  The moon has no real atmosphere, why would you see a bright sky? 
Why do you consistently lie?
I don't need a telescope to see the so called moon lit up like a beacon.
If the moon reflects light then it's not going to reflect it from a cement like powder as we were consistently shown in the early days of the moon gunk.

Trying to twist it by saying the moon doesn't make light is pointless.
I never mentioned the moon making any light.
I said it was lit up like a beacon and that light in the sky is lit up like a beacon.

Keep trying.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #271 on: June 30, 2021, 11:06:19 PM »

Get a telescope, look at the moon. 
The moon reflects light, it doesn't make light.  The moon has no real atmosphere, why would you see a bright sky? 
Why do you consistently lie?
I don't need a telescope to see the so called moon lit up like a beacon.
If the moon reflects light then it's not going to reflect it from a cement like powder as we were consistently shown in the early days of the moon gunk.

Trying to twist it by saying the moon doesn't make light is pointless.
I never mentioned the moon making any light.
I said it was lit up like a beacon and that light in the sky is lit up like a beacon.

Keep trying.

So you've never seen a concrete building with spot lights on it from a far distance, then got close to it?  Amazing that it doesn't blind you. 
And you just refuse to try looking at the moon with a telescope.  If you zoom in 9n it, it doesn't appear so bright.  But hey keep lying about things, it just makes it easier to discredit you to anyone who may get caught in the FE scam.
So you understand it's reflected light then, next time be more specific. 
Still waiting on your explanations. 
Aka keep trying.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #272 on: June 30, 2021, 11:10:56 PM »
I don't need a telescope to see the so called moon lit up like a beacon.
If the moon reflects light then it's not going to reflect it from a cement like powder as we were consistently shown in the early days of the moon gunk.

Why not?  What does powder have to do with it? Is a white sandy beach more reflective than a black sandy beach?

Concrete Shines as Solar Reflectance Material
"Concrete does a very good job of reflecting solar energy. That is the finding from a Portland Cement Association (PCA) study which measured the solar reflectance index (SRI) of 45 concrete mixes."
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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #273 on: June 30, 2021, 11:23:10 PM »
I don't need a telescope to see the so called moon lit up like a beacon.
If the moon reflects light then it's not going to reflect it from a cement like powder as we were consistently shown in the early days of the moon gunk.

Why not?  What does powder have to do with it? Is a white sandy beach more reflective than a black sandy beach?

Concrete Shines as Solar Reflectance Material
"Concrete does a very good job of reflecting solar energy. That is the finding from a Portland Cement Association (PCA) study which measured the solar reflectance index (SRI) of 45 concrete mixes."
https://www.cement.org/learn/concrete-technology/concrete-construction/concrete-as-solar-reflectance-material
Let me make myself more clear. Not that I need to because I'm 1005 sure you people know.


When you look at your moon from  your Earth, no matter what you think Earth is or the moon is, you see a bright illuminated light like a beacon in that sky.


Your men who you believe walked upon that bright light in the sky are plunged into darkness as the pictures show when in reality they should be lit up with your moon in pictures, if it was a reality.


There's absolutely no need to argue for a vacuum being the reason for a spotlight so called sun when your very own eyes can see the reality of a illuminated in the sky does not match the pictures or photo's taken of a supposed illuminated light in the sky.


It beggars belief to think people still fall for this gunk.


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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #274 on: June 30, 2021, 11:42:58 PM »
Again, not a light.  Reflected light, I thought you got this already. 
What does vacuum have to do with reflected light from the moon?

Still waiting for explanations of the crazy claims, still only getting hissy fit like hand waving from you.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #275 on: July 01, 2021, 12:12:47 AM »
I don't need a telescope to see the so called moon lit up like a beacon.
If the moon reflects light then it's not going to reflect it from a cement like powder as we were consistently shown in the early days of the moon gunk.

Why not?  What does powder have to do with it? Is a white sandy beach more reflective than a black sandy beach?

Concrete Shines as Solar Reflectance Material
"Concrete does a very good job of reflecting solar energy. That is the finding from a Portland Cement Association (PCA) study which measured the solar reflectance index (SRI) of 45 concrete mixes."
https://www.cement.org/learn/concrete-technology/concrete-construction/concrete-as-solar-reflectance-material
Let me make myself more clear. Not that I need to because I'm 1005 sure you people know.


When you look at your moon from  your Earth, no matter what you think Earth is or the moon is, you see a bright illuminated light like a beacon in that sky.

No I don't, not always. Neither do you. There are phases of the moon. Sometimes it looks like this - Hardly a "Beacon":



Does your carbonite powered holographic projected moon not have phases?

Your men who you believe walked upon that bright light in the sky are plunged into darkness as the pictures show when in reality they should be lit up with your moon in pictures, if it was a reality.

I'm sorry, I must of missed something here. What pictures show my men plunged into darkness? I have no idea what you're talking about.

There's absolutely no need to argue for a vacuum being the reason for a spotlight so called sun when your very own eyes can see the reality of a illuminated in the sky does not match the pictures or photo's taken of a supposed illuminated light in the sky.

It beggars belief to think people still fall for this gunk.

I don't know what you're talking about here either. What "sky" should be illuminated?  You mean the background? aka, space? If so, what would you expect the daytime Moon sky to look like and why?
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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #276 on: July 01, 2021, 12:21:20 AM »




Does your carbonite powered holographic projected moon not have phases?


Ahhh right, so  your men on your moon were in darkness and not lit up except for a spotlight. Is this right?

Considering we see a full moon all the time on Earth...lit up like a beacon but the men on your moon were not on the beacon lit side, they were around the back.......is this right?


So basically it's not your sun illuminating your moon as we see it, right?
The sun can only make spotlight illuminations on your moon but we see it lit up like a beacon.

Does Earth shine your moon up like a beacon if it's not your sun?



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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #277 on: July 01, 2021, 12:23:06 AM »
Again, not a light.  Reflected light, I thought you got this already. 
Isn't light always reflected?

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #278 on: July 01, 2021, 12:29:22 AM »




Does your carbonite powered holographic projected moon not have phases?


Ahhh right, so  your men on your moon were in darkness and not lit up except for a spotlight. Is this right?

Considering we see a full moon all the time on Earth...lit up like a beacon but the men on your moon were not on the beacon lit side, they were around the back.......is this right?


So basically it's not your sun illuminating your moon as we see it, right?
The sun can only make spotlight illuminations on your moon but we see it lit up like a beacon.

Does Earth shine your moon up like a beacon if it's not your sun?

What in the world are you going on about? We see a full moon all of the time? So your carbonite powered holographic projected moon does not have phases? But the rest of us see the phases of the moon? How does that work?
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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #279 on: July 01, 2021, 12:33:46 AM »




Does your carbonite powered holographic projected moon not have phases?


Ahhh right, so  your men on your moon were in darkness and not lit up except for a spotlight. Is this right?

Considering we see a full moon all the time on Earth...lit up like a beacon but the men on your moon were not on the beacon lit side, they were around the back.......is this right?


So basically it's not your sun illuminating your moon as we see it, right?
The sun can only make spotlight illuminations on your moon but we see it lit up like a beacon.

Does Earth shine your moon up like a beacon if it's not your sun?

What in the world are you going on about? We see a full moon all of the time? So your carbonite powered holographic projected moon does not have phases? But the rest of us see the phases of the moon? How does that work?
People on Earth see a full moon all of the time.

You know fine well what I'm going on about.
The phases are only related to where a person is stood when the moonlight is obscured from their position, after full moon.

You know fine well what I'm saying.


Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #280 on: July 01, 2021, 01:26:43 AM »
As I explained to smokey.
You mean as you baselessly asserted with no justification nor explanation, again carrying on with the fantasy that things just magically freeze, even though there is no where for the heat to go.

And yet again you avoid the simple questions which show you are spouting pure BS:
How much oxygen could that tank hold? Not as a time based unit, but either as pressure and volume, or mass (and show all working).
How much oxygen does a human need every hour, and what is your justification for this number?


Maybe ask yourself how humans get hot on Earth and get cold.
By exchanging heat with their surroundings, all that air around them.
People stay warm in winter by putting up barriers to that air to make the heat move into the air more slowly.

Once you understand that you will understand that the temperatures you are quoting have no impact.

That air is the very thing missing on the moon.
So just how are things meant to magically freeze?
Again, you have already admitted there is no where for the heat to go.
So again, how is meant to cool?
How are the batteries meant to freeze?

Sort of like me putting a box over my head with a fan inside and sealing it around my neck to circulate the air inside the box....right?
The important part you are missing in that analogy is a supply of oxygen and a way to remove the moisture and CO2.

To vaporise you need something to vaporise into. A medium.
You have already tried that lie.
If you wish to assert such BS, you will need more than just your assertion.

It would instantly freeze at the exit to the so called vacuum.
You are aware it takes quite some time for it to freeze?
It only freezes because enough water boils away.

Take a look at the moon one night and you'l notice it's lit up like a beacon.
Because your eyes are adjusted to the dark.
Again, go stand in a dark room with no significant light at all, similar to night time, then go step out into a the mid-day sun, preferably onto white concrete.
You will then observe the Earth lit up like a beacon.

Again, sane people realise how bright things appear is based upon their surroundings and how your eyes are adjusted.
Just like if you look at the moon during the day and see that it isn't that bright at all.

The surface of the moon has a similar brightness to the surface of Earth.

If you used logic and actually wanted to argue against the RE model you would note the the moon is not self-illuminated, and instead is merely lit up by the sun. Thus when it is a similar distance away from the sun as Earth, it will be a similar brightness to Earth.

But of course, you don't want to use logic. You just want to use whatever dishonest BS you can to pretend it is fake.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #281 on: July 01, 2021, 01:51:46 AM »




Does your carbonite powered holographic projected moon not have phases?


Ahhh right, so  your men on your moon were in darkness and not lit up except for a spotlight. Is this right?

Considering we see a full moon all the time on Earth...lit up like a beacon but the men on your moon were not on the beacon lit side, they were around the back.......is this right?


So basically it's not your sun illuminating your moon as we see it, right?
The sun can only make spotlight illuminations on your moon but we see it lit up like a beacon.

Does Earth shine your moon up like a beacon if it's not your sun?

What in the world are you going on about? We see a full moon all of the time? So your carbonite powered holographic projected moon does not have phases? But the rest of us see the phases of the moon? How does that work?
People on Earth see a full moon all of the time.

You know fine well what I'm going on about.
The phases are only related to where a person is stood when the moonlight is obscured from their position, after full moon.

You know fine well what I'm saying.

No, I donít know what youíre saying. People on earth donít see a full moon all of the time. Only when itís a full moon. Which is not all of the time.

Are you now saying that you and I see different phases at the same time depending upon where we are standing? If so, around 7+ billion people disagree. How does that work?

And why canít light reflect off the moon?
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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #282 on: July 01, 2021, 02:02:37 AM »




Does your carbonite powered holographic projected moon not have phases?


Ahhh right, so  your men on your moon were in darkness and not lit up except for a spotlight. Is this right?

Considering we see a full moon all the time on Earth...lit up like a beacon but the men on your moon were not on the beacon lit side, they were around the back.......is this right?


So basically it's not your sun illuminating your moon as we see it, right?
The sun can only make spotlight illuminations on your moon but we see it lit up like a beacon.

Does Earth shine your moon up like a beacon if it's not your sun?

What in the world are you going on about? We see a full moon all of the time? So your carbonite powered holographic projected moon does not have phases? But the rest of us see the phases of the moon? How does that work?
People on Earth see a full moon all of the time.

You know fine well what I'm going on about.
The phases are only related to where a person is stood when the moonlight is obscured from their position, after full moon.

You know fine well what I'm saying.

I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Like I said, the apollo astronauts landed on the moon at solar dawn. So, look at the curved edge of a waxing or waning moon, truncating the full circle appearance of the rest of the moon, and that's the area they landed.

That's why in the photos, the shadows are so long. It's like shadows being so long here on earth at dawn.

The reason the moon reflects so much light from the sun at night, is because the regalith on the moon surface is so reflective. If you don't believe me, check out the reflective index of regalith samples the apollo astronauts brought back to Earth.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #283 on: July 01, 2021, 05:11:14 AM »
Again, not a light.  Reflected light, I thought you got this already. 
Isn't light always reflected?
Excuse me?  So where does light come from?  When you say it's a light, that implies source.  Now you are saying all light is reflected light.  Choose your words more carefully. 

Go look at the Moon through a telescope.  Does it blind you?  Or does it resemble something being lit up by the Sun.

Still waiting for an explanation.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #284 on: July 01, 2021, 11:12:21 AM »
Take a look at the moon one night and you'l notice it's lit up like a beacon.
You must understand and see that it is lit up like a beacon...right?
It's right there in your face....right?
Yes, the moon is illuminated by sunlight.  You do understand that the length of a day on earth is different than a day on the moon, don't you?  Also, if you were to look at the moon right now, about 1/3 of the disc would be illuminated.

So, if your moon is what you think it is and you believe men walked upon it, then don't try and argue for daylight on it by showing darkness with a spotlight on a grey surface when you can clearly see with your own eyes what's in that sky as a bright.....yes, bright circle of illuminated light that you call the moon.
What is daytime supposed to look like when you're standing on the moon?  No atmosphere means no blue sky.

This is why people need to use their own logic instead of reading fairly stories and accepting them as truth.
I think that you're mistaking intuition for logic.  If you were trying to make a logical argument, then you would lay out your reasoning step by step and in detail.  Instead, you're just saying that it doesn't look right to you so it can't be right.  That isn't logic, that's incredulity.
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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #285 on: July 01, 2021, 12:10:05 PM »
So when i go out in the day time, and people and trees and cars and buildings are all oit up like beacons, does that mean they all supply their own light source?

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #286 on: July 02, 2021, 02:01:11 AM »
As I explained to smokey.
You mean as you baselessly asserted with no justification nor explanation, again carrying on with the fantasy that things just magically freeze, even though there is no where for the heat to go.

Your vacuum would offer zero resistance to an expelled water/oxygen/co2...etc from your so called astronauts suit/backpack.

In normal thought process you would think it would offer an immediate way out for the gases/liquids.
It would but it would not vent into your space, it would immediately freeze upon release.
It would just dissipate into the vacuum like you think it would.

If it were possible to survive in a suit in that set up you would end up literally being a michelin man as your gases expand into the suit.
Heat is expansion of matter due to friction.

If it's not released to dissipate, you're gone.

If released into your vacuum it would immediately free at the exit which would immediately block any remaining gases/liquids in that suit from escaping.

A now win and for good reason. The moon stuff is fantasy.



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And yet again you avoid the simple questions which show you are spouting pure BS:
How much oxygen could that tank hold? Not as a time based unit, but either as pressure and volume, or mass (and show all working).
Judging by that tank I'd hazard a guess at 10 litres just to make it a rounded figure.


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How much oxygen does a human need every hour, and what is your justification for this number?[/b]
About 3000 litres....unless you're on about liquid oxygen from a tank and underwater. What?


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Maybe ask yourself how humans get hot on Earth and get cold.
By exchanging heat with their surroundings, all that air around them.
Friction and molecular expansion for heat to less friction and less molecular expansion for the feeling of cold.
Internal and external.

Your moon fantasy offers no escape route.

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People stay warm in winter by putting up barriers to that air to make the heat move into the air more slowly.
Yep which makes the body's own friction heating and external cooling to be rebounded back onto them due to the insulation of clothing...etc.
Your moon does not provide any of this.


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Once you understand that you will understand that the temperatures you are quoting have no impact.
I beg to differ.


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That air is the very thing missing on the moon.
So just how are things meant to magically freeze?
Rapid expansion against no resistance.



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Again, you have already admitted there is no where for the heat to go.
So again, how is meant to cool?
It cools because it rapidly expands, meaning no friction left to do anything because there's no medium to travel in.

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How are the batteries meant to freeze?
No chemical conversion.

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Sort of like me putting a box over my head with a fan inside and sealing it around my neck to circulate the air inside the box....right?
The important part you are missing in that analogy is a supply of oxygen and a way to remove the moisture and CO2.
Explain the fan and how it works inside the suit?


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To vaporise you need something to vaporise into. A medium.
You have already tried that lie.
If you wish to assert such BS, you will need more than just your assertion.

That's all I have until you can show me it all working in your moon vacuum.

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It would instantly freeze at the exit to the so called vacuum.
You are aware it takes quite some time for it to freeze?
It only freezes because enough water boils away.

It will only boil away if there's an outlet that has a medium to travel, otherwise no boiling ( massive expansion)

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Take a look at the moon one night and you'l notice it's lit up like a beacon.
Because your eyes are adjusted to the dark.
Again, go stand in a dark room with no significant light at all, similar to night time, then go step out into a the mid-day sun, preferably onto white concrete.
You will then observe the Earth lit up like a beacon.
Absolutely nothing like it.


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Again, sane people realise how bright things appear is based upon their surroundings and how your eyes are adjusted.
Just like if you look at the moon during the day and see that it isn't that bright at all.

If that's the case then you wouldn't be seeing it at all at the distance you people think it's at.

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The surface of the moon has a similar brightness to the surface of Earth.
Not judging by the pictures/video we are all shown. Absolute utter nonsense.


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If you used logic and actually wanted to argue against the RE model you would note the the moon is not self-illuminated, and instead is merely lit up by the sun.
I never said it was self illuminated so don't waste your time going down that route.


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Thus when it is a similar distance away from the sun as Earth, it will be a similar brightness to Earth.
And yet we see it lit up like a beacon all over known Earth but the so called astronauts always look like they're poncing around on the beach at night with a pal leaving the car headlights on.


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But of course, you don't want to use logic. You just want to use whatever dishonest BS you can to pretend it is fake.
That's just what I think about what you're doing.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #287 on: July 02, 2021, 02:03:12 AM »




Does your carbonite powered holographic projected moon not have phases?


Ahhh right, so  your men on your moon were in darkness and not lit up except for a spotlight. Is this right?

Considering we see a full moon all the time on Earth...lit up like a beacon but the men on your moon were not on the beacon lit side, they were around the back.......is this right?


So basically it's not your sun illuminating your moon as we see it, right?
The sun can only make spotlight illuminations on your moon but we see it lit up like a beacon.

Does Earth shine your moon up like a beacon if it's not your sun?

What in the world are you going on about? We see a full moon all of the time? So your carbonite powered holographic projected moon does not have phases? But the rest of us see the phases of the moon? How does that work?
People on Earth see a full moon all of the time.

You know fine well what I'm going on about.
The phases are only related to where a person is stood when the moonlight is obscured from their position, after full moon.

You know fine well what I'm saying.

No, I donít know what youíre saying. People on earth donít see a full moon all of the time. Only when itís a full moon. Which is not all of the time.

Are you now saying that you and I see different phases at the same time depending upon where we are standing? If so, around 7+ billion people disagree. How does that work?

And why canít light reflect off the moon?
At some stage all people see a full moon somewhere on Earth.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #288 on: July 02, 2021, 02:04:41 AM »


I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #289 on: July 02, 2021, 02:06:28 AM »

What is daytime supposed to look like when you're standing on the moon?  No atmosphere means no blue sky.


It would also mean no moon vision...but there it is.

Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #290 on: July 02, 2021, 02:18:27 AM »
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How much oxygen does a human need every hour, and what is your justification for this number?[/b]
About 3000 litres....unless you're on about liquid oxygen from a tank and underwater. What?
Where do you get 3000 litres per hour from?!? The average human being consumes 11,000 litres per day and clearly 11,000 / 24 does not equal 3000 does it.
Actual amounts obviously vary according to activity rates but hourly rate is typically 300-400 litres per hour. 

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It would also mean no moon vision...but there it is.
If you were standing on the Moon then yes I think you would be able to see it.  At least a very small part of it within direct visible range.  You would also see the Sun and stars in a black sky. As markjo correctly says.

Obviously not in your world Scepti because in your world there is no such thing as space, the Moon does not exist as a physical body and so no one could ever stand on your Moon.
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« Reply #291 on: July 02, 2021, 03:24:59 AM »


I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #292 on: July 02, 2021, 03:39:56 AM »


I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?
Absolutely if you're on different parts of the Earth.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #293 on: July 02, 2021, 03:43:54 AM »
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How much oxygen does a human need every hour, and what is your justification for this number?[/b]
About 3000 litres....unless you're on about liquid oxygen from a tank and underwater. What?
Where do you get 3000 litres per hour from?!? The average human being consumes 11,000 litres per day and clearly 11,000 / 24 does not equal 3000 does it.
Actual amounts obviously vary according to activity rates but hourly rate is typically 300-400 litres per hour. 

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It would also mean no moon vision...but there it is.
If you were standing on the Moon then yes I think you would be able to see it.  At least a very small part of it within direct visible range.  You would also see the Sun and stars in a black sky. As markjo correctly says.

Obviously not in your world Scepti because in your world there is no such thing as space, the Moon does not exist as a physical body and so no one could ever stand on your Moon.
I'm like lt being pretty conservative about the 3000. I gave that as a bottom end figure just to be easy going.

It seems you're trying to help your moon fantasy walkers.

Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #294 on: July 02, 2021, 03:52:47 AM »


I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?
Absolutely if you're on different parts of the Earth.

Wow, that would be cool. 

Do you have anything besides your imagination to go on for this?

Is there any way we could test this?

Could you be wrong?

Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #295 on: July 02, 2021, 03:59:58 AM »
I just wondered where you got the figure of 3000 litres an hour from because all the websites I checked out seemed to be pretty consistent with 300-400 litres per hour.  Your claim is an order of magnitude more so bit of a difference!  Or did you just conjure up 3000 off the top of your head?

Nah not trying to help anyone really.  I don't think they need it. 

Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #296 on: July 02, 2021, 04:12:05 AM »


I know you're only joking around. If I'm looking at a waning moon tonight, then everyone everywhere else in the world is also seeing a waning moon.

Absolutely not.

Wait, what? 

Sceptimatic, do you imagine that two people looking at the holographic moon projection at the same time from two different parts of the world can see different phases of the moon? 

Could I see a half moon and someone else be seeing a full moon?
Absolutely if you're on different parts of the Earth.

Wait, what?

Was it the swinging gate experiment which led you to this conclusion?

Oh, and the excessive heat and water was boiled out of the astronaut's spacesuits into the moon atmosphere.

Perhaps you should go and visit the British National Space Centre and get schooled up?
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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #297 on: July 02, 2021, 04:36:58 AM »
Your vacuum would offer zero resistance to an expelled water/oxygen/co2...etc from your so called astronauts suit/backpack.
Yet before you said it would magically be stopped.
You really need to try to make up your mind and stick to it.

Heat is expansion of matter due to friction.
If it's not released to dissipate, you're gone.
So now you have switched from everything meant to be freezing to the heat not getting out.

See, if you had a normal thought process you wouldn't be repeatedly contradicting yourself.

If released into your vacuum it would immediately free at the exit which would immediately block any remaining gases/liquids in that suit from escaping.
And yet again, you contradict yourself.
Just where is the heat going to allow it to freeze?

The moon stuff is fantasy.
The only fantasy here is your fantasy about all the alleged problems.

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And yet again you avoid the simple questions which show you are spouting pure BS:
How much oxygen could that tank hold? Not as a time based unit, but either as pressure and volume, or mass (and show all working).
Judging by that tank I'd hazard a guess at 10 litres just to make it a rounded figure.
Again, ANSWER THE ACTUAL QUESTION!
Not the question you want it to be, but the actual question asked.
10 l is a useless number. It does tell anyone how much oxygen that tank can hold.
If you want to use a volume, you need to include a pressure with it. Otherwise it is useless.

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How much oxygen does a human need every hour, and what is your justification for this number?[/b]
About 3000 litres
That number was already shown to be pure BS.
Why repeat it?
And again, where is your justification?

It seems all you can do to attack the reality of the moon landings is spout pure fantasy.


Your moon fantasy offers no escape route.
Again, MAKE UP YOUR MIND!
Previously you were saying the batteries would magically freeze.
Now you are saying there is no escape route for the heat, which means they couldn't possibly freeze.

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Once you understand that you will understand that the temperatures you are quoting have no impact.
I beg to differ.
Don't just beg, try to present an actual argument.

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That air is the very thing missing on the moon.
So just how are things meant to magically freeze?
Rapid expansion against no resistance.
Like the controlled release of the water from the suit?

You are now showing there is no problem at all regarding controlling temperature on the moon, and that the batteries wouldn't freeze or superheat.

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How are the batteries meant to freeze?
No chemical conversion.
That does not cause them to freeze. Try again.
You need to tell us where the heat goes.
If there is no where for the heat to go, the batteries can't freeze.

Explain the fan and how it works inside the suit?
No. Stop asking dumb questions, show a problem and deal with the refutations of your prior claims.

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To vaporise you need something to vaporise into. A medium.
You have already tried that lie.
If you wish to assert such BS, you will need more than just your assertion.
That's all I have
If all you have is a pathetic lie, then you have nothing.
Especially as you have already contradicted that lie of yours.

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Take a look at the moon one night and you'l notice it's lit up like a beacon.
Because your eyes are adjusted to the dark.
Again, go stand in a dark room with no significant light at all, similar to night time, then go step out into a the mid-day sun, preferably onto white concrete.
You will then observe the Earth lit up like a beacon.
Absolutely nothing like it.
That wasn't a question, it was a simple statement. Denying it is just further rejection of reality.
If you get your eyes adjusted to a dark room and go straight out into a very bright day looking at Earth, it will appear extremely bright, far brighter than the full moon at night.

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Again, sane people realise how bright things appear is based upon their surroundings and how your eyes are adjusted.
Just like if you look at the moon during the day and see that it isn't that bright at all.
If that's the case then you wouldn't be seeing it at all at the distance you people think it's at.
Why?
There you go spouting pure BS with no justification yet again.

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The surface of the moon has a similar brightness to the surface of Earth.
Not judging by the pictures/video we are all shown. Absolute utter nonsense.
Do you mean the pictures which clearly show the moon well resolved and well within the brightness range of the camera, just like Earth.

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If you used logic and actually wanted to argue against the RE model you would note the the moon is not self-illuminated, and instead is merely lit up by the sun.
I never said it was self illuminated so don't waste your time going down that route.
If you aren't going to claim it is self-illuminated, just what magic should make it so much brighter? Just what do you think is lighting up the moon?
And why does this light up the moon so well but not light up Earth?

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Thus when it is a similar distance away from the sun as Earth, it will be a similar brightness to Earth.
And yet we see it lit up like a beacon
No, we don't.
We see it lit up, like Earth.

I'm like lt being pretty conservative about the 3000. I gave that as a bottom end figure just to be easy going.
You might want to pretend that, but it is still pure BS.
Your "bottom end" figure is massively above the upper limit.
You gave it as an insane number to pretend there is a problem where there is none.
And yet again you refuse to provide any justification for your fantasy.

If you were actually going "easy" you would provide a justification for this lower bound. But we both know that will never happen as you just made it up.

Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #298 on: July 02, 2021, 06:00:33 AM »
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The surface of the moon has a similar brightness to the surface of Earth.
Not judging by the pictures/video we are all shown. Absolute utter nonsense.
How are we making the comparison here?  The apparent 'brightness' of the surface is given by the geometric albedo, i.e. percentage of incident light which is reflected. In which case Moon = 12%, Earth = 39% (remember the Vangelis Album 'Albedo = 0.39') while Venus is almost 70%.

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Re: Airlocks in the supposed LM's.
« Reply #299 on: July 02, 2021, 06:44:36 AM »
At some stage all people see a full moon somewhere on Earth.
Yes, for one day out of 28.


What is daytime supposed to look like when you're standing on the moon?  No atmosphere means no blue sky.
It would also mean no moon vision...but there it is.
What is "moon vision"? ???
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