Airlocks in the supposed LM's.

This is the beauty of a story. You can make anything up to play make believe and this stuff is no exception, in my honest opinion.

So someone thought they found a problem with what we are told happened.  But checking with the actual mission documents from the time shows that it was based on incorrect information and there was no problem after all.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 17, 2021, 05:07:45 AM

This is the beauty of a story. You can make anything up to play make believe and this stuff is no exception, in my honest opinion.

Seems NASA (and all their contractors) thought of everything in advance.  They did all the calculations, designed the spacecraft, wrote all the procedures, the manuals, the training documents, the computer code, etc. for this fake so well that no one has ever found a real problem with any of it in 50 years.

Unlike your make-believe which is very obviously nonsense.

"With the backpacks on, the astronauts would need about 35 inches of clearance to crawl through the 30-inch hatch on the LEM (lunar [excursion] module) in the manner claimed by NASA. Awful tight fit! "

- from section - "Never a Straight Answer, A book review of "NASA Mooned America"", from th book "Supressed Inventions and Other Discoveries" by Johnathan Eisen.

Scepti, because you enjoy finding controversy where none exists, did it ever cross your mind that the LM had a life support system too?  That the crew members could easily plug their suits into the LM, depressurize the cabin, doff the two PLSS units, and then pressurize the cabin once that operation was over? (source: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20090015393/downloads/20090015393.pdf)

You'll note on page 4 of that presentation that the LM ECS has a port for recharging the PLSS and another that plugs directly into the spacesuit.  The LM ECS had the capability to interface directly with the suits or provide environmental control to the entire cabin.

"With the backpacks on, the astronauts would need about 35 inches of clearance to crawl through the 30-inch hatch on the LEM (lunar [excursion] module) in the manner claimed by NASA. Awful tight fit! "

- from section - "Never a Straight Answer, A book review of "NASA Mooned America"", from th book "Supressed Inventions and Other Discoveries" by Johnathan Eisen.

Quote from: Gumwars on June 17, 2021, 10:54:12 PM

Scepti, because you enjoy finding controversy where none exists, ...

What am I looking at?...

When you can smell it, you can smell it.

Does nobody see any issue with this?

That's the entire point.
If they took their back packs off then all the air in their suits gets lost to the supposed vacuum because there's absolutely no resistance to arrest it.

It's not a case of holding your breath or anything in this scenario we've been given.

All those people with real and genuine thinking minds

Quote from: Gumwars on June 17, 2021, 10:54:12 PM

You'll note on page 4 of that presentation that the LM ECS has a port for recharging the PLSS and another that plugs directly into the spacesuit.

What am I looking at?
I can't see anywhere where they say anything like you said.
Copy and paste it.

Sorry for the diversion, but I just couldn't stand it. In my native language there is a proverb - "Seeking for a calf under the ox". That is exactly what Sceptimatic is looking for.

After all, if the PLSS can only provide air for a few hours, and they were there for a lot more, they would need another source of air.

Does this help you:


Notice the part that says "To suit loop", nicely emphasised for you?
That connects from the LM to the suit. This allows the LM to directly provide oxygen to the suit.
So they don't need to hold their breath, or have the PLSS attached.

If you were honest and actually cared about this rather than just wanting to pretend there is a problem, you would look more, and on page 10 find more discussion about the line from the LM to the suit, allowing the LM to provide oxygen directly to the suit.

And where is the oxygen stored to keep pressurising this cabin and also their suits packs with 4 hours worth of breathable oxygen?
I can see it on the diagram but where on that LM would it be?

where does it cater for two men and their back packs as well as for the cabin for two men?


Now let's make it a bit clearer.

You have two men breathing this from the supposed command module to the supposed LM to the moon, on the moon and then doing their bit , supposedly on the moon, then lift off and rendezvous back with the supposed command module again.

Where would the tanks be to cater for all that for two men?

And where is the oxygen stored to keep pressurising this cabin and also their suits packs with 4 hours worth of breathable oxygen?
I can see it on the diagram but where on that LM would it be?

where does it cater for two men and their back packs as well as for the cabin for two men?


Now let's make it a bit clearer.

You have two men breathing this from the supposed command module to the supposed LM to the moon, on the moon and then doing their bit , supposedly on the moon, then lift off and rendezvous back with the supposed command module again.

Where would the tanks be to cater for all that for two men?

You have two men breathing this from the supposed command module to the supposed LM to the moon, on the moon and then doing their bit , supposedly on the moon, then lift off and rendezvous back with the supposed command module again.

Where would the tanks be to cater for all that for two men?

I'm not sure anyone has explained the difference in consumption need of humans from a pressurized source of oxygen to scepti.  If I knew it off the top of my head I would, but right now I'm on my phone.

I heard the space suited astronot with backpack would not fit into the doorway. From a suppressed inventions book.

And where is the oxygen stored to keep pressurising this cabin and also their suits packs with 4 hours worth of breathable oxygen?
I can see it on the diagram but where on that LM would it be?

where does it cater for two men and their back packs as well as for the cabin for two men?

Now let's make it a bit clearer.

You have two men breathing this from the supposed command module to the supposed LM to the moon, on the moon and then doing their bit , supposedly on the moon, then lift off and rendezvous back with the supposed command module again.

Where would the tanks be to cater for all that for two men?

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 18, 2021, 03:18:19 AM

And where is the oxygen stored to keep pressurising this cabin and also their suits packs with 4 hours worth of breathable oxygen?
I can see it on the diagram but where on that LM would it be?

where does it cater for two men and their back packs as well as for the cabin for two men?

Now let's make it a bit clearer.

You have two men breathing this from the supposed command module to the supposed LM to the moon, on the moon and then doing their bit , supposedly on the moon, then lift off and rendezvous back with the supposed command module again.

Where would the tanks be to cater for all that for two men?

Pretty simple really, you just need to do a little reading and all of your questions will be answered. Here's a good source which I think has been referenced already:

"A scuba diver uses a tank of air in 60 minutes; in Apollo an equivalent amount of oxygen lasted 15 hours. Oxygen was not simply inhaled once and then discarded: the exhaled gas was scrubbed to eliminate its CO2 recycled, and reused.
Like a plumber's dream, the LM's environmental control system nestled in a corner of the ascent stage. Those hoses provided pure oxygen to two astronauts at a pressure one-third that of normal atmosphere, and at a comfortable temperature. The unit recirculated the gas, scrubbed out CO2 and moisture exhaled, and replenished oxygen as it was used up."

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-350/ch-4-3.html

Not so much of a mystery.

Quote from: JackBlack on June 18, 2021, 01:20:30 AM

After all, if the PLSS can only provide air for a few hours, and they were there for a lot more, they would need another source of air.

Does this help you:


Notice the part that says "To suit loop", nicely emphasised for you?
That connects from the LM to the suit. This allows the LM to directly provide oxygen to the suit.
So they don't need to hold their breath, or have the PLSS attached.

If you were honest and actually cared about this rather than just wanting to pretend there is a problem, you would look more, and on page 10 find more discussion about the line from the LM to the suit, allowing the LM to provide oxygen directly to the suit.

And where is the oxygen stored to keep pressurising this cabin and also their suits packs with 4 hours worth of breathable oxygen?
I can see it on the diagram but where on that LM would it be?

where does it cater for two men and their back packs as well as for the cabin for two men?


Now let's make it a bit clearer.

You have two men breathing this from the supposed command module to the supposed LM to the moon, on the moon and then doing their bit , supposedly on the moon, then lift off and rendezvous back with the supposed command module again.

Where would the tanks be to cater for all that for two men?

Again, no actual problem with the LM, just questions to pretend there is a problem.
Do accept that there is no basis to think there is a problem?

Or do you still want to pretend these questions show the missions need to be fake?

If you want to pretend it is all fake, start justifying it rather than just asking questions which anyone who honestly looks into it could easily answer. (especially as you already know that gas can be pressurised, and in your magic fantasy land, there should be no limit to how much it can be, as that limit comes from the actual physical size of the molecules, which you want to pretend instead just magically expand and contract)

If you want to ask such questions, cut out all that "supposedly" garbage and stop pretending it was all fake.