Flat Earth Maps?

Hi Flat Earth people. I'm new here and would like to know if someone can explain why there are no flat earth maps?

No matter what country we live in, we're all familiar with and use maps for many purposes. Road maps are obviously the most commonly used, and visitors/ travellers etc can trust that they'll get to the right destination by using the map correctly. There are also accurate topological maps for hikers, hunters, adventurers, etc.

So having accurate maps of virtually every continent and country of the world we inhabit, we're obviously fairly close to establishing an accurate world map.

I would suggest other tools such as https://www.suncalc.org/ or https://www.sunearthtools.com/solar/sunrise-sunset-calendar.php

When we have the data for 'sunrise' times of each country, remembering of course that the 'sunrise' is eastward, depending on the season, then it should be fairly easy for those that are clever with mathematics to develop an accurate model of the earth. All of the data is there, it just needs to be assembled. 
Cheers

There are millions of flat maps.

Hey Space Cowgirl...

There should be one right one, right?
Is there one which this group agrees to? Or perhaps some of the most accepted?

Thanks

Are you asking for a FE model?  As 8n some map of the FE that can explain the Sun, Moon and stars movements, while working for navigation, matching correct distances and directions, etc.  There isn't one.  Your request for a flat map will draw stupid responses from disreputable people. 

Thanks, Mikey... that's what I thought.
I would love to see a computer program where you enter the 'sunrise' data of all the worlds cities for one particular day. The program would determine the speed and distances between cities, and it would produce a 3D model. Wouldn't that be interesting?

There are millions of flat maps.

Flat Earth map, not a flat map of a RE which introduces known distortions.

The closest you get is a map for a small area where the curvature is insignificant, but that isn't a map of the entire Earth and wouldn't be classified as a FE map or a RE map.

If the earth were flat, it would be easy to make an accurate, fixed scale map on a flat sheet of paper.

It is impossible to make such a map because the earth is not flat.

Thanks, Mikey... that's what I thought.
I would love to see a computer program where you enter the 'sunrise' data of all the worlds cities for one particular day. The program would determine the speed and distances between cities, and it would produce a 3D model. Wouldn't that be interesting?

One of the more interesting members here tried making one based on commercial aircraft flight times.  It was a bit of a mess.

How to make a FE map:

Case 1, all distances are as published: Protractor and piece of paper. Start with London and measure Capetown scaled difference away. I suggest a scale of 1 inch to 1000 miles. Now set the protractor to the scaled distance to Tokyo from London and draw a circle that diameter, then set to Capetown to Tokyo distance and draw that circle around Capetown. Where these circles cross is where Tokyo is. Now do the same with Capetwon, again a circle around each of the cities you have already plotted with radius the distance from each to Capetown. Just keep doing that for many cities.

You will be finding the point that is a known distance from all other points. I would think 20 or 30 cities would let you see what the one true FE map looks like. Share the result on this web site. You will be the most famlus FE ever.

Case 2, published distances are not right: No one can make a map unless they know those distances. No map of any kind is possible.

Hi Flat Earth people. I'm new here and would like to know if someone can explain why there are no flat earth maps?

All maps are flat.

All maps are flat.

As I told space cowgirl, that doesn't make them a map of a flat Earth.

Globes are maps and they are not flat. One just rolled off my desk which would not happen if it was flat.

A 3D dataset of satellite laser range finding data is a map and is not flat. Can pure data be flat? What shape are numbers?

Are maps flat? An endlessly intriguing question.

IF the earth really were flat, then a flat map would be very easy and would have been worked up long ago.  IF the earth were really flat, then maps of the earth would all look the same, except be printed in different sizes.  And they wouldn't require higher mathematics, just a simple ratio.

But the earth is round, not flat, a making a map of the earth requires higher mathematics to project a sphere onto a flat map.  There are hundreds of different projections for earth maps, each different and each with its own distortions ("interrupted" maps have the fewest distortions).  Distances on flat maps of the earth are difficult to approximate.

On northern hemiplane, go straight westwards or eastwards, and latitude will gradually INCREASE

On southern hemiplane, go straight westwards or eastwards, and latitude will gradually DECREASE

Globe map failed.

Try PHEW FE map. 👌

On northern hemiplane, go straight westwards or eastwards, and latitude will gradually INCREASE

On southern hemiplane, go straight westwards or eastwards, and latitude will gradually DECREASE

Globe map failed.

Try PHEW FE map. 👌

You never made one, Danang.  We're still waiting.

Quote from: Danang on December 19, 2021, 07:21:46 PM

On northern hemiplane, go straight westwards or eastwards, and latitude will gradually INCREASE

On southern hemiplane, go straight westwards or eastwards, and latitude will gradually DECREASE

Globe map failed.

Try PHEW FE map. 👌

You never made one, Danang.  We're still waiting.

He scribbled something on what looked like the remnants of a pizza box once. It made no sense, was completely absurd - To be expected considering the source.

On northern hemiplane, go straight westwards or eastwards, and latitude will gradually INCREASE

On southern hemiplane, go straight westwards or eastwards, and latitude will gradually DECREASE

Globe map failed.

Try PHEW FE map. 👌

If that is your understanding of how cardinal directions work, no wonder you are laughed at so much.   
PHEW, Pathetically Half-assed Estimations are Wrong, loses again. 
Please explain why this would happen. 
Please provide the PHEW map.
Please provide something other than stupidity.

On northern hemiplane, go straight westwards or eastwards, and latitude will gradually INCREASE

On southern hemiplane, go straight westwards or eastwards, and latitude will gradually DECREASE

This makes no sense. Going straight and going westwards are quite different.
Do you mean head it a straight line following any curvature of Earth initially heading due east or west?
If so, for both in the northern hemisphere and in the southern hemisphere, your latitude will decrease as you approach the equator.

Just rejecting reality and spouting nonsense wont magically make it true.

To everyone else, his "map" is basically a south pole centred azimuthal equidistant projection.

Phew is not final yet. But the mechanism is worth to consider.

Research on flight, high speed train, etc. will give you a clear reality of phew, in which the flat earth is south polar centered.

I dare you to make Phew Map based on the data at timeanddate.com. (I still can't concentrate to do that).
Who knows we can share Nobel prize someday. 

Phew is not final yet. But the mechanism is worth to consider.

Research on flight, high speed train, etc. will give you a clear reality of phew, in which the flat earth is south polar centered.

I dare you to make Phew Map based on the data at timeanddate.com. (I still can't concentrate to do that).
Who knows we can share Nobel prize someday. 

I would gladly help you model a map but PHEW isn't real.  It is a collection of wild assertions, blatant lies, and moronic mumbling. 

Phew is not final yet. But the mechanism is worth to consider.

Research on flight, high speed train, etc.

Will make it quite clear that the only model which actually works is the globe.
All flat models have some region which is a massive problem.

For the conventional FE model that is the south.
For your Phew BS, that is the noth.
For the bipolar BS, that is the pacific ocean.

without phew, pilots will go wrong direction except getting helped by GPS.

without phew, pilots will go wrong direction except getting helped by GPS.

Is GPS based on your map?

Every position is supposed to be in line with phew map.
Please repent 👌

Phew is not final yet.

HaHaHaHa! No kidding!  Where has it gotten to by now?  Are the crews still out there measuring distances along the ground?  Or do they have all the distances now but are still putting them to paper?  Where's the holdup?

Every position is supposed to be in line with phew map.
Please repent 👌

No one uses your map so how could GPS be in line with your map?

No one uses my phew map, that's why travel paths always look weird, coz coordinate lat & long during the traveling cannot be figured out under globe map.

If you were sure with globe map, to set the path direction would be super easy.
In the beginning of sail, a lot of ships were lost. How come?

No one uses my phew map, that's why travel paths always look weird, coz coordinate lat & long during the traveling cannot be figured out under globe map.

You said:

without phew, pilots will go wrong direction except getting helped by GPS.

Now you are saying no one uses your map. GPS doesn’t use your map, it uses globe earth coordinates and mapping. So pilots don’t use your map, GPS doesn’t use your map, yet 1000s of pilots everyday don’t go in the wrong direction. How can that be? I guess you have never flown anywhere.

If you were sure with globe map, to set the path direction would be super easy.
In the beginning of sail, a lot of ships were lost. How come?

It is easy. Millions of people everyday use maps and GPS to get somewhere successfully and expectantly. I.e., it is super easy.
And no one uses your map. Curious.

No one uses my phew map, that's why travel paths always look weird, coz coordinate lat & long during the traveling cannot be figured out under globe map.

If you were sure with globe map, to set the path direction would be super easy.
In the beginning of sail, a lot of ships were lost. How come?

Insert skinner meme

"No, its the children who are wrong"

without phew, pilots will go wrong direction except getting helped by GPS.

They seemed to do just fine navigating around the globe before GPS.

If you were sure with globe map, to set the path direction would be super easy.
In the beginning of sail, a lot of ships were lost. How come?

No, if Earth was flat, setting the path would be easy. Because it isn't, you need to use spherical geometry.

Lots of ships were lost for various reasons, including storms and warfare.