Who Speak a Proper, Fluent English?

Is English people speak better English than Americans? Or nationality doesn't matter?

Can you tell me the example of a good English speaker with fine pronunciation?

Let's watch this video.
Is Oprah speaks better English than Sarah? Or?

It depends what is regarded as being fluent English.
We have so many slang words to our language depending on the city/towns/villages...etc.

However, if we go by Queens English then 90% or more of people in England do not speak it.

Is English people speak better English than Americans? Or nationality doesn't matter?

Can you tell me the example of a good English speaker with fine pronunciation?

There's more to "good English" than just pronunciation.  Things like grammar, syntax and diction matter too.  And as has been mentioned, regional accents and dialects abound.

As an aside, my father emigrated from Poland but learned a fair bit of his English from the Italian immigrants that he worked with so he developed a rather interesting accent.

Here's something to get your teeth into about regional sang and dialects.
https://oxfordhousebcn.com/en/a-brief-guide-to-different-british-accents-and-dialects/

Is English people speak better English than Americans?

Better in what sense?

Interesting...

I'm focusing on only PRONUNCIATION.
Queen Elizabeth sounds standard English? Okay, I heard what so called "English accent" is not too manifest in her speech. There is a sense of more 'natural pronunciation' in her English.

English, as much as Arabic, Indonesian etc. those languages has a lot of speakers with variation of dialects coming from previous languages that their ancestors spoke. Most of them don't speak properly.

Since the name of the language is "English" -- with "sh" -- does that mean English is not the origin of English language?
Shouldn't you call this language: "England", instead of "English"?
Is there "England language"? Who found English language?

Perhaps you should take a look at a brief history of the English language so that you can understand that there really is no one "proper, fluent English".
https://www.oxfordinternationalenglish.com/a-brief-history-of-the-english-language/

Perhaps you should take a look at a brief history of the English language so that you can understand that there really is no one "proper, fluent English".
https://www.oxfordinternationalenglish.com/a-brief-history-of-the-english-language/

That's the thing.
It's hard to find an English people who speak with a "standard pronunciation". A standard language without influenced by local/ancient dialects.
For Arabic, the standard of Arabic can be found in world's champions of Quran recitation competitions. Probably the champions so far are mostly nonArabs. So called "the world of Arab" actually came from different ethnic/language speakers: Coptic, Aramaic, Berber, Babylon etc.
For Indonesian language, the standard can be found mostly in news broadcasters coming from the capital city of Jakarta. They belong to various ethnics. Jakarta gathers them into the same standard of Indonesian, even though Indonesian language by origin comes from Melayu (Riau archipelago)

As to English standard, it is said, there has been "born" a new accent of English by millennial generation from various nations. They speak the same accent which is not found anywhere before.
I still haven't found what kind of accent do they speak? Any link please?

Your group doesn't have an accent.
Everyone else does.

I think I can say with some authority that New England speaks the purist form of the English language. We don't speak with an accent here at all, and certainly not with an accent that could be further subdivided into even smaller regional dialects. If you're looking for the right way to speak English, look no further than New England.

That's the thing.
It's hard to find an English people who speak with a "standard pronunciation". A standard language without influenced by local/ancient dialects.

That's because there is no such thing.  English is a living language that has been growing and evolving for over 1500 years.  It has been, and continues to be, influenced by countless sources and cultures all over the world and thoughout history.

I speak proper fluent douchebag.

Does that work?

I speak proper fluent douchebag.

I knew a dude from Italy.
He said you're not fluent in a language
until you can tell a joke in that language.

I told him he needs better jokes.

I detect no accent in the form of English that we use here in Utah.  I therefore must conclude that the English language originated in Utah, most likely by the original Native Americans that the book of Mormon teaches us were white at the time.

So to recap;
English = white people
ancient native americans = white
therefore Utah invented English before England was a country.

If you were to imagine getting a cement mixer full of tin cans, adding a radio turned to full playing babies screaming, then pushing that mixer down a fire escape, to a chorus of deaf drunks singing Mammy, that is what an American speaking English sounds like to the English.

There is no one way English should be spoken, but this comes close.

An accurate depiction of British English.



I just watched The Nevers.  Had to turn on English subtitles for it to make sense.

Youavinafukinlarfsanshine?

I think I can say with some authority that New England speaks the purist form of the English language. We don't speak with an accent here at all, and certainly not with an accent that could be further subdivided into even smaller regional dialects. If you're looking for the right way to speak English, look no further than New England.

New England is a home of people from England. That makes sense. Probably they were royal family.

Your group doesn't have an accent.
Everyone else does.

Multicultural city has an advantage of speaking national language, and not trained to speak parent's ethnic language.
But sometimes we are jealous with people that practice their own ethnic culture.

Quote from: Danang on June 15, 2021, 05:35:11 PM

That's the thing.
It's hard to find an English people who speak with a "standard pronunciation". A standard language without influenced by local/ancient dialects.

That's because there is no such thing.  English is a living language that has been growing and evolving for over 1500 years.  It has been, and continues to be, influenced by countless sources and cultures all over the world and thoughout history.

I once heard BBC radio in English lesson:
"English is for everyone"
Everyone may join and enrich English.
Cool 👍

I speak proper fluent douchebag.

Does that work?

Perhaps... If you can give something enlightening that might be okay.. as long as you speak to the right audience.

I detect no accent in the form of English that we use here in Utah.  I therefore must conclude that the English language originated in Utah, most likely by the original Native Americans that the book of Mormon teaches us were white at the time.

So to recap;
English = white people
ancient native americans = white
therefore Utah invented English before England was a country.

Pioneers of civilization are usually religious group. Who were they?
Is Utah a homogeneous society?

If you were to imagine getting a cement mixer full of tin cans, adding a radio turned to full playing babies screaming, then pushing that mixer down a fire escape, to a chorus of deaf drunks singing Mammy, that is what an American speaking English sounds like to the English.

There is no one way English should be spoken, but this comes close.

As a non English native speaker with little knowledge about standard English, to me they sounds like music. As long as a speaker can give a beautiful sound, I predict they have spoken properly.

An accurate depiction of British English.



I just watched The Nevers.  Had to turn on English subtitles for it to make sense.

Okay, if this is a good example for British English, do you agree if I say that Queen Elizabeth II and Princess Anne speak like foreigners?

Your group doesn't have an accent.
Everyone else does.

I beg to differ, I have a very thick southern accent that even my group thinks is too much.  But yeah, I get your point, in my mind I don't have an accent, everyone else does.

Typo or misperception is common for non native English speakes like me.

Sorry guys

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 15, 2021, 05:46:21 PM

Your group doesn't have an accent.
Everyone else does.

I beg to differ, I have a very thick southern accent that even my group thinks is too much.  But yeah, I get your point, in my mind I don't have an accent, everyone else does.

In my head I see you and a bunch of southerners sipping mint juletps and prefacing everything with "I do declare".

In my head I see you and a bunch of southerners sipping mint juletps and prefacing everything with "I do declare".

Nah.  They're more likely to say "hold my beer and watch this, y'all".