Quote from: Shifter on June 09, 2021, 10:31:20 AMQuote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 10:06:39 AMQuote from: Shifter on June 09, 2021, 10:02:05 AMQuote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 09:58:02 AMQuote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 09, 2021, 09:51:13 AMQuote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 06:41:08 AMAs far as we know, uploading into a computer is simply an engineering challenge. As far as we know....that's the point, we don't know. To assume the challenge lies in the same domain as making a smaller phone or faster car, may be making a fundamental error in the first place.I'm not sure what fundamental error we could be making that would cause it to be impossible.As long as neurons are made of atoms, and we have no reason to believe otherwise, they work just like anything else in the universe and it's only a matter of being able to examine them in detail.It might take us 50 years or 500 but there is nothing at all in physics that would make it impossible. We could do it with some sort of extreme precision fMRI, or freeze a brain and scan it in slices, or even engineer neurons to have the ability to perform a read-out on command. Just an engineering issue. We can already take apart a single neuron atom by atom. Just have to do it a whole bunch more. The goal is to replicate consciousness without biology. So no neurons in the classical senseThe goal of copying a brain into a computer is to get it into the computer, the method doesn't matter. Biological, technological or magical. Anything that works is a valid solution.I am thinking of having a human like level of consciousness but in a system that has no biological components. Biology degrades and needs constant maintenance and fuel. A computer just needs energy which (if we are at this level of tech) should be no problem to get anything we want from the sunComputer components fail.
Quote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 10:06:39 AMQuote from: Shifter on June 09, 2021, 10:02:05 AMQuote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 09:58:02 AMQuote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 09, 2021, 09:51:13 AMQuote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 06:41:08 AMAs far as we know, uploading into a computer is simply an engineering challenge. As far as we know....that's the point, we don't know. To assume the challenge lies in the same domain as making a smaller phone or faster car, may be making a fundamental error in the first place.I'm not sure what fundamental error we could be making that would cause it to be impossible.As long as neurons are made of atoms, and we have no reason to believe otherwise, they work just like anything else in the universe and it's only a matter of being able to examine them in detail.It might take us 50 years or 500 but there is nothing at all in physics that would make it impossible. We could do it with some sort of extreme precision fMRI, or freeze a brain and scan it in slices, or even engineer neurons to have the ability to perform a read-out on command. Just an engineering issue. We can already take apart a single neuron atom by atom. Just have to do it a whole bunch more. The goal is to replicate consciousness without biology. So no neurons in the classical senseThe goal of copying a brain into a computer is to get it into the computer, the method doesn't matter. Biological, technological or magical. Anything that works is a valid solution.I am thinking of having a human like level of consciousness but in a system that has no biological components. Biology degrades and needs constant maintenance and fuel. A computer just needs energy which (if we are at this level of tech) should be no problem to get anything we want from the sun
Quote from: Shifter on June 09, 2021, 10:02:05 AMQuote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 09:58:02 AMQuote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 09, 2021, 09:51:13 AMQuote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 06:41:08 AMAs far as we know, uploading into a computer is simply an engineering challenge. As far as we know....that's the point, we don't know. To assume the challenge lies in the same domain as making a smaller phone or faster car, may be making a fundamental error in the first place.I'm not sure what fundamental error we could be making that would cause it to be impossible.As long as neurons are made of atoms, and we have no reason to believe otherwise, they work just like anything else in the universe and it's only a matter of being able to examine them in detail.It might take us 50 years or 500 but there is nothing at all in physics that would make it impossible. We could do it with some sort of extreme precision fMRI, or freeze a brain and scan it in slices, or even engineer neurons to have the ability to perform a read-out on command. Just an engineering issue. We can already take apart a single neuron atom by atom. Just have to do it a whole bunch more. The goal is to replicate consciousness without biology. So no neurons in the classical senseThe goal of copying a brain into a computer is to get it into the computer, the method doesn't matter. Biological, technological or magical. Anything that works is a valid solution.
Quote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 09:58:02 AMQuote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 09, 2021, 09:51:13 AMQuote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 06:41:08 AMAs far as we know, uploading into a computer is simply an engineering challenge. As far as we know....that's the point, we don't know. To assume the challenge lies in the same domain as making a smaller phone or faster car, may be making a fundamental error in the first place.I'm not sure what fundamental error we could be making that would cause it to be impossible.As long as neurons are made of atoms, and we have no reason to believe otherwise, they work just like anything else in the universe and it's only a matter of being able to examine them in detail.It might take us 50 years or 500 but there is nothing at all in physics that would make it impossible. We could do it with some sort of extreme precision fMRI, or freeze a brain and scan it in slices, or even engineer neurons to have the ability to perform a read-out on command. Just an engineering issue. We can already take apart a single neuron atom by atom. Just have to do it a whole bunch more. The goal is to replicate consciousness without biology. So no neurons in the classical sense
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on June 09, 2021, 09:51:13 AMQuote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 06:41:08 AMAs far as we know, uploading into a computer is simply an engineering challenge. As far as we know....that's the point, we don't know. To assume the challenge lies in the same domain as making a smaller phone or faster car, may be making a fundamental error in the first place.I'm not sure what fundamental error we could be making that would cause it to be impossible.As long as neurons are made of atoms, and we have no reason to believe otherwise, they work just like anything else in the universe and it's only a matter of being able to examine them in detail.It might take us 50 years or 500 but there is nothing at all in physics that would make it impossible. We could do it with some sort of extreme precision fMRI, or freeze a brain and scan it in slices, or even engineer neurons to have the ability to perform a read-out on command. Just an engineering issue. We can already take apart a single neuron atom by atom. Just have to do it a whole bunch more.
Quote from: JJA on June 09, 2021, 06:41:08 AMAs far as we know, uploading into a computer is simply an engineering challenge. As far as we know....that's the point, we don't know. To assume the challenge lies in the same domain as making a smaller phone or faster car, may be making a fundamental error in the first place.
As far as we know, uploading into a computer is simply an engineering challenge.
what website did you use to buy your wife? Did you choose Chinese over Russian because she can't open her eyes to see you? What animal relates to your wife?Know your place
And in a simulation where every real second could last years if you chose, it's going to be as good as immortality as you can get.
Quote from: Shifter on June 09, 2021, 10:40:38 AMAnd in a simulation where every real second could last years if you chose, it's going to be as good as immortality as you can get.Or maybe we accidentally invent hell? Eternal suffering for the departed/uploaded. That would be quite an achievement.
You have been ignored for common interest of mankind.
Sci-fi nonsense.Does light impart momentum on reflection - no. End of transmission (and fantasy).
Does light impart momentum on reflection - no.
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.
Quote from: jack44556677 on June 16, 2021, 11:21:51 AMSci-fi nonsense.Does light impart momentum on reflection - no. End of transmission (and fantasy).Tell that to the bozos then who think painting an asteroid white could alter its pathhttps://www.techtimes.com/articles/223520/20180323/nasa-can-use-paint-to-save-earth-from-asteroid-impact.htmAlso read here regarding using lasers to propel a space craft https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_propulsion
Quote from: Shifter on June 16, 2021, 11:41:45 AMQuote from: jack44556677 on June 16, 2021, 11:21:51 AMSci-fi nonsense.Does light impart momentum on reflection - no. End of transmission (and fantasy).Tell that to the bozos then who think painting an asteroid white could alter its pathhttps://www.techtimes.com/articles/223520/20180323/nasa-can-use-paint-to-save-earth-from-asteroid-impact.htmAlso read here regarding using lasers to propel a space craft https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_propulsionWell someone thought a nuke could stop an asteroid but then it would break apart and still come at us.And white paint is stupider than the nuke.
I'm not sure what you mean by "impart momentum on a reflection", but photons can, indeed, impart momentum on objects. Why do you think that the tail of a comet always points away from the sun?
a single photon can pass through two sluts
if Donald Trump stuck his penis in me after trying on clothes I would have that date and time burned in my head.